What's this? South Carolina follows their own state constitution and scraps a plan for school vouchers??? Ye gods, what's next? Teaching evolution and critical thinking in the classroom? HAAAAALP! The atheists have taken over! Christians are being PERSECUTED!!! Oh, what a world, what a world!
[Excuse me a moment...] 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yeah, what a world ... pretty GOOD world, from where I sit. Oh, I'm sure the christers will try again, but this is another one in the "W" column, and I'm glad of it!
Every tax dollar that goes to a private religious school, is a dollar taken away from our already under-funded public schools. Religious institutions, schools and otherwise, should not get a penny of public money for any reason. One of the prevailing myths regarding private education is that they do a better job of educating. Some do, some don't, but the key factor they never discuss is the fact they get to pick and choose who is allowed to attend and remain in their schools. Public schools do not have that option.
Exactly!! These religious institutions don't want to pay any taxes and they also want state and federal money- they are so fucking greedy. They would have us be working peasants while they live in their cathedrals and mansions. Dark Ages
We will not "allow a rug to cover up well marked constitutional ground," ..
Justice Thomas: "Hold my beer."
Justice Kavanaugh: "Did someone say beer."
Justice Alito: "She's a witch."
Justice Roberts: "As the supreme court, we must respect decorum and legal precedent. With that said, every previous ruling is wrong, and you must respect us."
It would not surprise me, given this supreme court's penchant for overturning precedent, if the Bob Jones university ruling was on their mental hit list.That was the one that said that schools could not get federal funds if they openly discriminated against Black students. (Not a lawyer, here, so I don't remember if that was only colleges or also included primary and secondary schools. In any case, that was the impetus for racists to open seg-academies, the ancestors of a bunch of today's private/religious schools.) Also, the part about segregation only being illegal for two decades? What history bilge have they been reading? I went to the first integrated high school in my district in northern California from 1967-70, which was (pulls out calculator), er, 50+ years ago, and *that* was a knock-down, drag-out fight, followed by massive white flight. To newly-opened private schools for the wealthy and Catholic schools for the lower middle class. I understand that this is South Carolina that's being discussed in the post, but, jeez louise, people, get a grip! Your little white darlings are probably going to get a better education at those public schools than they will at some church-front private place, just like I did back in the day.
The one here in the Buckeye State is no better ... and I'm STILL waiting for Ohio to propose an alternative to the property tax system which was found to be unconstitutional here.
Does misery love company? Arkansas is doing it too, and claimed they had a budget surplus last year while the Little Rock school district is in financial trouble.😒 Our governor is the daughter of a former car dealer/preacher so you know the BS is really deep here.
Yes, these youngsters need to be able to get married ASAP also, there's no need for education, just keep the churches filled and Vacation Bible Schools running year-round. They don't believe in evolution in the south, either. KAMALA '24 💙
I said, what does God need with a financial tool to indoctrinate children?
Jim!
Bones, I'm only asking God why He needs money.
Let these funds comes from the coffers stored in the churches – wait what? This is only a pass through to the church run schools? God loves you, and He needs money. And to make the "right" children suffer for lack of that money. Win win, sin sin.
Let the Satanists/Wiccan start a private school in SC that parents use these public funds with to send their children there and THEN see how many of the Bible Belt folks in that state support this nonsense.
Jesus Christ, you couldn't make that stuff up. Although with these people you don't have to. Going to put on my woolly plaid shirt and go for a walk. Be back in a couple of hours.
Like My way and Comme d'habitude, the latter is about a couple about to break up and how they do things because they are used to it, not because they want it.
And Elvis singing "It's now or never" music lifted directly from "O solo mio". Never realized it, until in Italy, hearing instrumental version, and thinking, wow, I didn't know the Italians were so into Elvis!
Jesus was asked through fervent prayer, sermons and church fundraising to file an amicus brief on behalf of the aggrieved defendants who claim this ruling has persecuted them.
Voucher programs should get the same treatment defund the police got. We should be tearing down government buildings (metaphorically) to stop this, we need to spread awareness about the real consequences of the vouchers. Explain that it really is just defund public schools and not “school choice”. We won’t have to lie about the motivations and the consequences to do it either.
God damned but the right is so fucking manipulative. I’m not in the right mood to be objective about schools today.
Follow up from last night, I reached out to the teacher sponsoring the club to request materials she is planning on using and what the scholarships are and requirements for them. I did sneak in a question about how long Turning Point USA has been at the school. I hope she responds, but I’m sure it might be a day or two. I do plan on asking the school how to start a club, and I mean to reach out to TST to see if they’d be interested in an ASS club.
I will cynically disagree with your first paragraph. I think the real consequence is segregation and class stratification...and I think enough people agree with that mission that, if this was explained to the public and the public understood it, then in a lot of southern districts and counties it might still be >50% popular. Lyndon Johnson had it right; "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." Voucher programs let the recipients look down on their public school neighbors. School quality is practically irrelevant - voucher schools exist to provide that sense of specialness, that ability to separate themselves from what they see as the 'other.'
I agree to an extent. But we must remind the folks at the bottom that their children will be left behind too. Not only the students of color or LGBTQ status. I understand that many people, who don’t admit to being racist but are, are willing to harm themselves just to hurt the black folks next door too. But specifically addressing how the vouchers will directly harm their white kids and how bad the harm will actually be might make them think twice about supporting them.
I don't think the people at the bottom choosing voucher schools consider themselves to be left behind. Some percent will be fooled into thinking the education is higher quality than it is, yes. I think we help those folks better by forcing voucher schools to meet curriculum standards and do standardized tests rather than awareness campaigns, but that's a quibble with your point - you and I are 90% in agreement that what those folks need is better information rather than voucher school PR promises. And the standards and test approach is also a good way to get rid of the fly by night for-profit chop shops.
However.
I think that's not most voucher-selectors, and yes, I include most 'people at the bottom' in that "not most." I think a lot of folks including people at the bottom are informed sufficiently, and they are making the voucher choice because they want to segregate their children from the general population - be it by race, or by religion, or by class. To them, selecting a school with maybe not as great secular academics but with that social separation is not being 'left behind,' it's what they truly think is best for their kid. Those folks...they *know*. They send their kids to voucher schools not because they are fooled by conservative BS about quality, but because they agree with the unstated conservative social engineering that gets left unspoken. Awareness campaigns simply won't help there. And since I think that's most of the parents who send their kids to these schools, I don't think awareness campaigns will significantly alter public opinion on voucher schools.
She’s still upset by the whole thing, but I think it’s partly her teenaged girlhood that’s causing the tears. I remember those days, I did suffer from some really wild mood swings when I was her age.
I will let you know how she did after requesting to drop the club today.
You don’t really have to attend, but the club is listed in the attendance part of the parent portal, I think it’s so the student can use the clubs on their college applications with proof. Perhaps even for parents to keep track why student isn’t home or whatnot. But we would prefer it removed from her profile completely.
I missed your original post, so went back to look. Ugh! Turning Point USA. I can certainly understand her wanting to quit. My youngest was President of their GSA. The group did a lot of good work.
It's my understanding that in all of the states that have voucher programs, most, if not all, of the money goes to wealthy families to subsidize their children's private education in predominantly segregated private schools.
Certainly true here in Arizona. These vouchers have had very little effect in making private school more affordable for lower income people because the private schools can change whatever tuition they want and when people start coming in with vouchers the price of tuition goes up.
Correct, because normally the income cap is removed after the first year or two. The Republicans sell the idea to everybody acting like they give up shit about low income people, so they put criteria around the voucher programs as if it will help low and middle income - then after 2 years they remove all income caps, because ultimately these programs are for their wealthy white constituents.
That is correct, because they just raise tuition for the rest, so they can't really afford it, plus it doesn't cover much of other things they require. They always have a way to keep the plebes out.
We got something like this in Wisconsin decades ago, using the same bogus rationale that the money wasn't going to the SCHOOLS, it was going to the FAMILIES. But of course the families would only be getting the money at all because they swore on a stack of Bibles (of course, Bibles) that they'd pass it along to the private (that is, 90% parochial) schools they were going to send their kids to.
In the criminal underworld, this is referred to as "money laundering", and we should have no qualms about calling it out as such.
Righties picking fights with Taylor and her Swifties. Knuckledraggers must love the smell of cordite because they repeatedly shoot themselves in both feet.
What's this? South Carolina follows their own state constitution and scraps a plan for school vouchers??? Ye gods, what's next? Teaching evolution and critical thinking in the classroom? HAAAAALP! The atheists have taken over! Christians are being PERSECUTED!!! Oh, what a world, what a world!
[Excuse me a moment...] 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yeah, what a world ... pretty GOOD world, from where I sit. Oh, I'm sure the christers will try again, but this is another one in the "W" column, and I'm glad of it!
And not one single drag queen on the SC supreme court. Who'd a thunk it.
We would!
Every tax dollar that goes to a private religious school, is a dollar taken away from our already under-funded public schools. Religious institutions, schools and otherwise, should not get a penny of public money for any reason. One of the prevailing myths regarding private education is that they do a better job of educating. Some do, some don't, but the key factor they never discuss is the fact they get to pick and choose who is allowed to attend and remain in their schools. Public schools do not have that option.
Exactly!! These religious institutions don't want to pay any taxes and they also want state and federal money- they are so fucking greedy. They would have us be working peasants while they live in their cathedrals and mansions. Dark Ages
+++
We will not "allow a rug to cover up well marked constitutional ground," ..
Justice Thomas: "Hold my beer."
Justice Kavanaugh: "Did someone say beer."
Justice Alito: "She's a witch."
Justice Roberts: "As the supreme court, we must respect decorum and legal precedent. With that said, every previous ruling is wrong, and you must respect us."
SC: "But racists are using this to segregate schools!"
Thomas: "Sounds legal, as long as I see a first class trip to Hawaii in my future."
SC: "they're going to destroy education for SC's poor and black communities!"
Thomas: "By golly you're right! This deserves at least Tahiti."
The frightening thing is it's not satire.
Thomas: If you're good at something, never do it for free.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iijs0iS3_ZM
Can I show Thomas a close-up view of a magic trick?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD_vWWp3nFU
Careful, he can make your rights disappear just like that.
What BHm said.
It would not surprise me, given this supreme court's penchant for overturning precedent, if the Bob Jones university ruling was on their mental hit list.That was the one that said that schools could not get federal funds if they openly discriminated against Black students. (Not a lawyer, here, so I don't remember if that was only colleges or also included primary and secondary schools. In any case, that was the impetus for racists to open seg-academies, the ancestors of a bunch of today's private/religious schools.) Also, the part about segregation only being illegal for two decades? What history bilge have they been reading? I went to the first integrated high school in my district in northern California from 1967-70, which was (pulls out calculator), er, 50+ years ago, and *that* was a knock-down, drag-out fight, followed by massive white flight. To newly-opened private schools for the wealthy and Catholic schools for the lower middle class. I understand that this is South Carolina that's being discussed in the post, but, jeez louise, people, get a grip! Your little white darlings are probably going to get a better education at those public schools than they will at some church-front private place, just like I did back in the day.
You forgot ofdrumpster.
Burn the witch!! /s
“Sounds like a fair cop”
Republicans are not so happy when their state Supremes take away their free money for Christian schools.
Oklahoma's voucher program is a disaster.
The one here in the Buckeye State is no better ... and I'm STILL waiting for Ohio to propose an alternative to the property tax system which was found to be unconstitutional here.
No, I'm not holding my breath.
Does misery love company? Arkansas is doing it too, and claimed they had a budget surplus last year while the Little Rock school district is in financial trouble.😒 Our governor is the daughter of a former car dealer/preacher so you know the BS is really deep here.
We'll be voting blue in our household!
I loved your governor's response to underage children working nights illegally: lower the minimum working age in the state.
Can someone kick her in the cootch for me, please?
I think she needs something a touch more stimulating ... like a hard right cross!
Yes, these youngsters need to be able to get married ASAP also, there's no need for education, just keep the churches filled and Vacation Bible Schools running year-round. They don't believe in evolution in the south, either. KAMALA '24 💙
Doesn't work as well on a woman. Try the classic punch in the sternum, it's unisex.
Iowa is bleeding money on their voucher scam programs as well.
I said, what does God need with a financial tool to indoctrinate children?
Jim!
Bones, I'm only asking God why He needs money.
Let these funds comes from the coffers stored in the churches – wait what? This is only a pass through to the church run schools? God loves you, and He needs money. And to make the "right" children suffer for lack of that money. Win win, sin sin.
Got it.
Let the Satanists/Wiccan start a private school in SC that parents use these public funds with to send their children there and THEN see how many of the Bible Belt folks in that state support this nonsense.
The GOP just can't let billions of dollars get spent on kids without them and their donors getting a major cut.
Cats against...
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Vance is always cat-erwauling.
It's a wonder he isn't cat-a-tonic!
Because too many people cat-ter to his needs.
You have to be kitten me.
Just ordered one of those for my front yard!
Purr-fect.
I have NO sympathy...
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None. Zip. Zero. Goose-Egg. Nada.
That 'assassination attempt' reeks of a desperate move to refocus attention on the biggest attention whore on the planet.
https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/right-wing-pastor-robert-henderson-claims-to-have-healed-a-man-who-almost-died-from-voting-democratic/
the stupid, it burns
Ha. My brain is already cooked so I don't have to worry about voting democrat.
"I used to be an adventurer like you, but then I voted democratic."
Or something
Ça ne sent pas du tout la référence à Skyrim 🤣
Jesus Christ, you couldn't make that stuff up. Although with these people you don't have to. Going to put on my woolly plaid shirt and go for a walk. Be back in a couple of hours.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCoUmMDiEhs
Well, I do have a woolly pully – surplus, ex-RAF. But I save that for formal wear.
I knew this song seemed familiar even if I never heard of it, so can someone confirm it it's the same or if I am weird 😁
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lisaFPBaoms&pp=ygUVcm91bMOpIGJvdWzDqSBjaGFuc29u
French title is Drive while drunk.
Oui. ;) It sounds the same, but the English and French lyrics are different.
Like My way and Comme d'habitude, the latter is about a couple about to break up and how they do things because they are used to it, not because they want it.
And Elvis singing "It's now or never" music lifted directly from "O solo mio". Never realized it, until in Italy, hearing instrumental version, and thinking, wow, I didn't know the Italians were so into Elvis!
𝘔𝘺 𝘞𝘢𝘺 - Songwriters: Paul Anka, Gilles Thibaut, Claude Francois, Jacques Revaux.
𝘊𝘰𝘮𝘮𝘦 𝘥'𝘩𝘢𝘣𝘪𝘵𝘶𝘥𝘦 - Songwriters: Gilles Thibaut, Claude Francois, Jacques Revaux.
🤔🤔
Or not.
Sorry to disappoint you but I'm back. 😇
Zut, j'y croyais cette fois 😁
Nom d'un chien!😵💫🥴
Quoi ? Point de palsembleu ou de diantre ?
Florence's son is a very strange guy. *smiles*
It's about hencakleson, not burns mark 🤔
Jesus was asked through fervent prayer, sermons and church fundraising to file an amicus brief on behalf of the aggrieved defendants who claim this ruling has persecuted them.
Jesus had no comment.
He hasn't said much in 2000 years. You'd think the guy doesn't exist at all.
Minor detail. Let's not let it ruin the narrative.
"E's pining for the Fjords.
The parrot=Jeebus, I mean, the parrot had “his feet nailed to the perch”.
Both have their source material regularly quoted, misquoted, and in both cases a snake was involved in misdeeds. :)
"Pinin' for the Fjords? What kind of talk is that?"
Sugar free, coconut or vanilla ?
https://www.danone.fr/nos-produits-laitiers-frais/fjord/nature.html#recette
Lindsey Graham was asked to speak on Jesus's behalf. He was joined by Marjorie Taylor Greene. True surrogates for God.
Total assholes all the way down the line.
Voucher programs should get the same treatment defund the police got. We should be tearing down government buildings (metaphorically) to stop this, we need to spread awareness about the real consequences of the vouchers. Explain that it really is just defund public schools and not “school choice”. We won’t have to lie about the motivations and the consequences to do it either.
God damned but the right is so fucking manipulative. I’m not in the right mood to be objective about schools today.
Follow up from last night, I reached out to the teacher sponsoring the club to request materials she is planning on using and what the scholarships are and requirements for them. I did sneak in a question about how long Turning Point USA has been at the school. I hope she responds, but I’m sure it might be a day or two. I do plan on asking the school how to start a club, and I mean to reach out to TST to see if they’d be interested in an ASS club.
I will cynically disagree with your first paragraph. I think the real consequence is segregation and class stratification...and I think enough people agree with that mission that, if this was explained to the public and the public understood it, then in a lot of southern districts and counties it might still be >50% popular. Lyndon Johnson had it right; "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." Voucher programs let the recipients look down on their public school neighbors. School quality is practically irrelevant - voucher schools exist to provide that sense of specialness, that ability to separate themselves from what they see as the 'other.'
I agree to an extent. But we must remind the folks at the bottom that their children will be left behind too. Not only the students of color or LGBTQ status. I understand that many people, who don’t admit to being racist but are, are willing to harm themselves just to hurt the black folks next door too. But specifically addressing how the vouchers will directly harm their white kids and how bad the harm will actually be might make them think twice about supporting them.
It could be hard when they don't understand the benefits of an education. It's how my paternal family tend to work.
I don't think the people at the bottom choosing voucher schools consider themselves to be left behind. Some percent will be fooled into thinking the education is higher quality than it is, yes. I think we help those folks better by forcing voucher schools to meet curriculum standards and do standardized tests rather than awareness campaigns, but that's a quibble with your point - you and I are 90% in agreement that what those folks need is better information rather than voucher school PR promises. And the standards and test approach is also a good way to get rid of the fly by night for-profit chop shops.
However.
I think that's not most voucher-selectors, and yes, I include most 'people at the bottom' in that "not most." I think a lot of folks including people at the bottom are informed sufficiently, and they are making the voucher choice because they want to segregate their children from the general population - be it by race, or by religion, or by class. To them, selecting a school with maybe not as great secular academics but with that social separation is not being 'left behind,' it's what they truly think is best for their kid. Those folks...they *know*. They send their kids to voucher schools not because they are fooled by conservative BS about quality, but because they agree with the unstated conservative social engineering that gets left unspoken. Awareness campaigns simply won't help there. And since I think that's most of the parents who send their kids to these schools, I don't think awareness campaigns will significantly alter public opinion on voucher schools.
Does your daughter feels better now that your husband and you are doing everything to get her out of it ?
She’s still upset by the whole thing, but I think it’s partly her teenaged girlhood that’s causing the tears. I remember those days, I did suffer from some really wild mood swings when I was her age.
I will let you know how she did after requesting to drop the club today.
I think it is odd that you need permission to quit a club. At my high school, back in the early 80s, all you had to do was stop attending meetings.
You don’t really have to attend, but the club is listed in the attendance part of the parent portal, I think it’s so the student can use the clubs on their college applications with proof. Perhaps even for parents to keep track why student isn’t home or whatnot. But we would prefer it removed from her profile completely.
That makes sense. After all, she wouldn't want people to think she is an aspiring nazi.
I missed your original post, so went back to look. Ugh! Turning Point USA. I can certainly understand her wanting to quit. My youngest was President of their GSA. The group did a lot of good work.
Yep, this plays right into their Seven Mountains Mandate. Crush all public schools.
😁👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
It's my understanding that in all of the states that have voucher programs, most, if not all, of the money goes to wealthy families to subsidize their children's private education in predominantly segregated private schools.
Certainly true here in Arizona. These vouchers have had very little effect in making private school more affordable for lower income people because the private schools can change whatever tuition they want and when people start coming in with vouchers the price of tuition goes up.
A catholic school in Tampa did that and then lowered them due to the blowback.
That's what I got from the descriptions too.
Correct, because normally the income cap is removed after the first year or two. The Republicans sell the idea to everybody acting like they give up shit about low income people, so they put criteria around the voucher programs as if it will help low and middle income - then after 2 years they remove all income caps, because ultimately these programs are for their wealthy white constituents.
That is correct, because they just raise tuition for the rest, so they can't really afford it, plus it doesn't cover much of other things they require. They always have a way to keep the plebes out.
We got something like this in Wisconsin decades ago, using the same bogus rationale that the money wasn't going to the SCHOOLS, it was going to the FAMILIES. But of course the families would only be getting the money at all because they swore on a stack of Bibles (of course, Bibles) that they'd pass it along to the private (that is, 90% parochial) schools they were going to send their kids to.
In the criminal underworld, this is referred to as "money laundering", and we should have no qualms about calling it out as such.
NEXT rapture, Wednesday.
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Hey, I'm gonna have an eye exam at the VA tomorrow. I'll miss the celebration when they leave!
It's already the 18th here and nothing's happened, so I figure you're probably safe.
Nobody left? We're still stuck with them? Damn.
It's only 1:50PM my time. Maybe if I pray real hard until midnight...
I will tell you how things are in one hour and seven minutes.
Nearly 12:30 am. No sirens, no horrified shouts. What's the babble says about false prophets ?
Where's YHVHs fist that he uses to destroy false prophets?
NSFW, I repeat NSFW and don't click if you are asexual
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Fistini%C3%A8re
I may have an idea but...
Damn! I was really looking forward to moving on as a species.
Still the 17th here. CDT Near 18:30.
We'll miss you.
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Uh-huh ... SUUUUUUUUUUUUURE it will ... 😖
Of course he does.
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Righties picking fights with Taylor and her Swifties. Knuckledraggers must love the smell of cordite because they repeatedly shoot themselves in both feet.
From the repukelican playbook:
1. Shoot self in right foot.
2. Shoot self in left foot.
3. Repeat steps one, two, and three.
They sure don't seem to lack for ammunition.
It's on the same level as messing with the mouse.