If you are feeling trapped into a lawsuit, the simple thing is to follow the fucking law. TST is not trying to force you into being a big fat bigot.
The issue you have with this group is not with the name, or what the club will be doing/teaching the kids, or anything about the club itself. The issue is; you know that if you had the opportunity to “have private time with” the children for your religion, the children won’t be safe. You know the GNCs, the group the TST is pushing back on, are not on the up and up, and are crossing the constitutionality line regularly, an you therefore assume the ASSC will do the same. It’s projection. And the reason why the ASSCs and the TST exist in the first place.
The problem with the idea that the ASSC needs police presence to protect the school/club/students only paints the Christian opposition as the villains. That they’re willing to put their own children in physical danger to get their way, that they really do not care about the safety of the children at all. The ASSC isn’t the group that is getting violent, making threats, acting like terrorists.
The primary problem is that there is very little if any reasoning happening on the Christian side of this ledger. They see The Satanic Temple or After School Satan Club and they go, "EEEEK! SATAN! KILL IT WITH FIRE!" From where I sit, it is literally a knee-jerk reaction. They do it without thinking, they do it without consideration, discussion or debate.
And to me, this is a 𝑝𝑟𝑖𝑚𝑎 𝑓𝑎𝑐𝑖𝑒 demonstration of the depth of their indoctrination.
I wonder how much of it is ignorance and how much is posturing, for the school and school board staff anyway. The parents may actually be willfully ignorant 🙄
Entrenched Christian privilege runs very deep in this country. Typically, when Christian groups are confronted with a group they cannot dispute on the basis of facts and reason, they do all they can to silence them. This all speaks directly to just how little confidence they actually have in the message they never stop trying to indoctrinate children with. It also speaks to their deep seated need to force their particular religion into the public schools, paid for with everyone's tax dollars.
The problem with TST and ASSC is that they threaten to pop the Christian bubble that these people have lived in for most of their lives, never mind utterly shattering their models of Satan and that whole side of their religious equation. Their indoctrination can't deal with such a paradigm shift ... and of course, they lose their shit about it.
Indeed, the ONLY people that Satan actually kills are Job's kids (plus his livestock and such), whereas Yahweh either actively slaughters or commands the slaughter of millions in the OT.
This is a fact that most evangelicals don't want to acknowledge for obvious reasons.
Well, they ignore it as much as they can, but when they must address it they justify the death and destruction as God’s love and claim it is good since they believe God and good are synonymous.
Women and children are replaceable. Job got a whole new, younger, prettier, harder-working family to replace the one God allowed killed to win his bet.
From my recollection of my indoctrination during 13 years of catholic education, Jesus said: "We no longer live by the old law, we now have a new law, the law of love..." To me, that meant the old testament was dead and we live according to the new testament. Made sense at the time until these clowns drag out Leviticus when gender rights are brought up. Just one of a hundred examples.
Make no mistake, if the preachers ever attained the power they appear to dream of, they would build the world of their dreams around the blood-thirsty monster of the Old Testament.
Yeah, the state of chattel is something they're trying to impose on modern women today.
Not gonna fly, women have come too far to be stuffed back in the box. Well, with the exception of "tradwife," but that is voluntary servitude. Try to force me to make you a sammich, you're not gonna like what I put in it.
I don't know where ANYONE gets this "new law" from Jesus noise, never mind the fact that the above-cited quote is why the OT is still in play, insofar as the actual Christian religion is concerned. Naturally, a great deal of christers pick and choose the verses they like and don't like, as though the bible were a smorgasbord.
Thing is, if they actually recognized all the contradictions in the bible, they might find themselves in the position of having to ignore ALL OF IT, and they can't have that!
Verse 18 puts the nail in the coffin for believers:
"For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen will by any means disappear from the Law until everything has been accomplished."
Have either your non-existent heaven or the very real Earth vanished? Has Jesus returned to set up his kingdom? No? Then you are still under the Old Law.
Luke 22:20, 2 Corinthians 3:6, and the fact that the 'new covenant' language used in the gospels (I think three of them? Mark doesn't use the word 'new') in referring to the last supper seems to directly mirror old testament claims that there will be a future new covenant made between God and the Jews (example: Jeremiah 31:31).
I agree it's somewhat contradictory with other NT passages, but they do get that side of the argument from the bible just as much as you get the 'Jesus will not change the laws' argument from it.
When I was a Christian, I interpreted it as basically referring to a hierarchy. The NT golden rule and Jesus' more hippie turn the other cheek stuff was at the top, with all past rules being early, more narrow and specific attempts to instantiate that principle. Thus, Jesus "fulfills" the laws by pulling all these disparate rules together into one singular overarching, guiding principle. They aren't gone or abolished, we just understand the spirit of those laws better now. But I will admit, that's just apologetics. When one *doesn't* start from a Christian perspective of needing the bible to be correct, then yes the much more natural conclusion is simply, "the bible says contradictory things."
How do you reconcile a command to *KILL* disobedient children with the golden rule and turn the other cheek? How can the latter be an expansion or explanation for the former.
I told you where I got it, a memory from my time at catholic schools. Remember, catholics don't read the bible, they let the priests read it and tell them what it means.
Kinda the point of the whole thing, innit. Pop that entitled xian bubble, show them they're not above the law and that they aren't the only religion out there, just one of many.
Remember this tidbit from the article OwossoHarpist posted
"It is because of the Christian religion that we have allowed other religions to come in and be known,” he added. “It’s because of us being very tolerant.”
Ouais mon gars, et la marmotte elle met le chocolat dans le papier d'alu*
Catchphrase from this commercial, who became associated with incredulity
“I think it’s B.S.,” said parent Courtney Dennis. “I think it needs to be held somewhere else and not a school.”
I agree with you it is BS. Those Christian clubs would be more appropriate in a church setting anyway. Maybe you could hold it in a church. I have little doubt there are many churches nearby. Yep Google shows about a half dozen within a mile.
I hate that they made it before school so it wasn't the ASS Club anymore. My kid was laughing her own ass off thinking about how many of her fellow middle school students would enjoy getting to say they had to stay after for ASS club. Unfortunately there aren't any Christian groups at her school for me to be frustrated with. She does like garden club but the teacher that runs it is a literal witch (no problem with that on my end).They've got an amazing garden set up.
Once again, it's the usual deal. Those opposing the After School Satan Clubs demonstrate that they don't actually KNOW what these clubs are about, any more than they understand that The Satanist Temple, which sponsors ASSC, does NOT worship Satan (!); they create straw men to castigate TST and ASSC, then make like a bunch of crazy Karens, claiming that TST and ASSC will ruin their kids and their town. I'm not even formerly Jewish, but OY!
I AM pleased to see that the FFRF has gotten into the fray here, and I hope that the Chimneyrock Elementary School District will see reason [he shakes his head and groans!], but I am not especially hopeful, and I DO want to see followup on this issue.
I suspect that even if they understood what ASSC was about, they would still think it will ruin their kids. Kids taught to think rarely support authoritarianism.
I'm pretty sure they would object to it even fully understanding that it's critical thinking done under the name/sponsorship of TST. The link between Satan and something like that is sufficient to draw the objection.
My town is having an election for school board members in a couple weeks. One of the candidates is a MAGAt and has spoken out about the school and the DEI committee in the past and had made a statement for the local paper that was suspect. So the local Facebook page brought up the statement in the paper to get some clarification on his stance. Well. He responded, apparently trying to defend himself because he mentioned two people who made comments about him by name and addressed their concerns. In this response directly to the Facebook page he pretty much told everyone that his desire to remove politics from the curriculum was, in fact, what we feared to be forcing anyone not white, cis-het, Christian, able bodied, males back into the closet or in their place. He doubled down on eliminating DEI, claiming it was dividing the community. As though it is the minorities demanding basic human dignity and rights is what caused the problem with division in the community and not the bigotry and oppression.
This relates to the ASSC and the TST because the arguments against allowing them to exist in schools are the same thinking as the shitty school board candidate’s. The idea that the club should change its name to be welcomed, or even tolerated, is the problem. Not the fact that it exists. There are many reasons the TST does what it does, and all of them are noble pursuits. But pointing out the bigotry is not the divisive source, the bigotry is.
I just saw on the news last night that Alabama has now banned DEI. My wife and I had a discussion about how we are going backwards.
I grew up in the 70s and I don't remember running across anyone who would scream their racism so loudly. They were the ones in the closet, afraid to come out. Today those bigots are in charge and actually proud of it. idk, maybe it's because I went to school in AZ where we had a lot of Hispanics but the black population was fairly small. My wife wen to school in AZ where her high school was about 50% black.
Hi, sweetie. I went to high school in Alabama, by the way, as I'm sure you remember. ;)
Part of last night's discussion was about how, back in the 80's things were, in actual point of fact, improving on the issue of racism. I'd agree that progress was entirely too slow, and that too many people were resisting said progress, but it was happening. Now, much of the machinery that was pushing for equality has been dismantled on the idea that it's no longer needed; which I personally find laughable. Racism is all too alive and well, and cannot be removed from society like the disease it is fast enough.
You think that's bad, one of our nearby district school boards ended up with a dyed in the wool White Supremacist. A person who literally holds an office in one of those clubs. He kept it secret while running (as a Republican), of course. But when the Mayor asked him point blank if he was a member of that group, the new board member responded "it is my constitutional right not to answer that question" - to which the mayor replied, "you just did."
Anyway, there's a local attempt at a recall., by both Dems and the local GOP organizations. But it's a fairly conservative county, and the guy still gets to keep the (R) next to his name on the ballot because the GOP hasn't actually kicked him out, so that may get him most of the way to beating it.
I'm very familiar with TST and follow their great work. I also live in West Tennessee so know all about the bible beaters being up in arms- correct, they literally can't accept anything different than their narrow ideology.
NOT one of them has bothered to go to the satanic temple website to read about their 7 tenants. That's how close-minded these people are, if this group were called the rainbows and unicorn Temple with the Sam 7 tenants no one would give a shit , they'd be fine with it. The word Satan simply means adversary anyway.
I'm sure TST would be happy to leave the school IF the school would stop proselytizing children through their bible programs. That is truly what this is all about, the evangelists come in with their little after school program, parents need an after school program because they work - - and the evangelicals Good News Club program forces their damn bible and indoctrination on the children , right there on school grounds.
Get religion out of public- you want to read the bible do it at home or do it at church.
Of course they haven't. They might learn that [shock and horror!] they are completely misinformed about The Satanic Temple and they might possibly [oh, say it ain't so, Joe!] CHANGE THEIR MINDS!!! Can't have that, nopenopenopenope!
These religious cult radicals believe in the Garden of Eden, that literally humans just arrived here a mere 8,000 years ago, they believe Eve is created from the rib of Adam, (women are not even real people) - they believe in Immaculate conception......... they think it's a woman's job to suffer that we brought sin into this world in the Garden of Eden.....
this is the level of fucking idiocy we are dealing with. It is super unfortunate that the bible even exists, what a bunch of fucking lies. But yet they don't bother to question anything. Jesus himself could literally float down on a cloud and they would come up with 10 conspiracy theories and then shoot him down. A 19-year-old daughter could tell her parents she's pregnant claiming to never have had sex it must be Immaculate conception, and the parents would of course call her a liar, they would say of course you had sex..... and they would be correct with that assessment...... but yet they believe the story about Virgin Mary from the bible. None of these people can fathom that maybe Mary did have sex and maybe Jesus was just a regular dude. Or maybe he doesn't exist at all, the point is there's zero critical thinking on their part.
Somewhere, someone in some universe is laughing their ass off at the humans right now, shaking their heads at the dumb humans. Lol
Ok, I’ve gotta come clean: I persecute Christians. How? By refusing to let them into my home and preach falsehoods and fairy tales. There, glad I got that off my chest. Btw, my pentagram is on its way.
PS My kids would have loved an ASSC, first for the name, second, for the science stuff. Both geek out on science.
"Calvo also said, “Just because a law is the law we don’t have to accept it.” (Spoiler: They literally do.)"
That's been the issue though, hasn't it? There is currently in the US a group of particularly noisy Christians who seem to believe that they don't need to follow the rule of law because their Jesus told them not to. They honestly believe they're morally in the right, however unreasonable and demented that may be to the rest of the world. That's exactly what's happening here, too; Christians want to have their Good News clubs, but refuse anyone and everyone their own religious clubs specifically because those clubs aren't Christian.
The worst part is that the international community has started to really take notice of this Christian attitude, and has started responding accordingly. The credit rating for the US has gone down several times in recent memory, and it's at least in part due to so many US citizens loudly pushing the idea that it's fine if it's for Jesus. Rule of law must needs apply evenly to all or it's worthless and the international community knows it; if a 'Christian' nation lies for Jesus to accomplish Jesus' goals, there's no reason to trust that nation to pay its bills.
Good luck to the Satanic Temple on this one; they're without doubt in the right but these days that might not be enough anymore.
"Just because a law is the law we don't have to accept it."
Your own bible tells you to obey all earthly laws and authorities and why, Calvo. And do you not understand the definition of a "law?" Would you like to have it read to you?
"The system of rules which a particular country or community recognizes as regulating the actions of its members and which it may enforce by the imposition of penalties."
Clear enough, Calvo? No? How about this?
"A rule of conduct or action prescribed or formally recognized as binding or enforced by a controlling authority."
Not as bad as skunkfucking law*makers* need to go to Cancun during a natural disaster affecting their constituents. The only thing that could have made that situation more of a slap in the face is if the taxpayers had paid for his trip.
Yes. I'm still mad about this. Not as mad as Snowflake should be. Ze should be bite off your balls angry, but probably forgave him faster than Texas Republicans.
"Now it’ll be up to a judge to figure out a punishment."
Let's just hope they will not be a bigot themselves. We saw it again and again. They don't hesitate to use their discretionary power to flout the laws they don't like.
Wow....kids thinking for themselves and coming up with their own ideas. Performing community service. Solving intellectual problems. Learning science and arts and crafts.
WHAT COULD BE WORSE AND MORE DANGEROUS TO THE POWER STRUCTURE?
THESE KIDS SHOULD BE LEAPING TO THEIR FEET AND SCREAMING ADHERENCE TO THE ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL! MIT UNSER FUEHRER VOR DEM SIEG!
If you are feeling trapped into a lawsuit, the simple thing is to follow the fucking law. TST is not trying to force you into being a big fat bigot.
The issue you have with this group is not with the name, or what the club will be doing/teaching the kids, or anything about the club itself. The issue is; you know that if you had the opportunity to “have private time with” the children for your religion, the children won’t be safe. You know the GNCs, the group the TST is pushing back on, are not on the up and up, and are crossing the constitutionality line regularly, an you therefore assume the ASSC will do the same. It’s projection. And the reason why the ASSCs and the TST exist in the first place.
The problem with the idea that the ASSC needs police presence to protect the school/club/students only paints the Christian opposition as the villains. That they’re willing to put their own children in physical danger to get their way, that they really do not care about the safety of the children at all. The ASSC isn’t the group that is getting violent, making threats, acting like terrorists.
Good luck to the TST on their lawsuit.
The primary problem is that there is very little if any reasoning happening on the Christian side of this ledger. They see The Satanic Temple or After School Satan Club and they go, "EEEEK! SATAN! KILL IT WITH FIRE!" From where I sit, it is literally a knee-jerk reaction. They do it without thinking, they do it without consideration, discussion or debate.
And to me, this is a 𝑝𝑟𝑖𝑚𝑎 𝑓𝑎𝑐𝑖𝑒 demonstration of the depth of their indoctrination.
There’s your problem: you said “reasoning”.
I wonder how much of it is ignorance and how much is posturing, for the school and school board staff anyway. The parents may actually be willfully ignorant 🙄
The TST is going to be spending a lot on this case so, if you can, DONATE!
Entrenched Christian privilege runs very deep in this country. Typically, when Christian groups are confronted with a group they cannot dispute on the basis of facts and reason, they do all they can to silence them. This all speaks directly to just how little confidence they actually have in the message they never stop trying to indoctrinate children with. It also speaks to their deep seated need to force their particular religion into the public schools, paid for with everyone's tax dollars.
The problem with TST and ASSC is that they threaten to pop the Christian bubble that these people have lived in for most of their lives, never mind utterly shattering their models of Satan and that whole side of their religious equation. Their indoctrination can't deal with such a paradigm shift ... and of course, they lose their shit about it.
Given their respective body counts in the Old Testament, I never understood how Satan got labeled as the bad guy in the first place.
Indeed, the ONLY people that Satan actually kills are Job's kids (plus his livestock and such), whereas Yahweh either actively slaughters or commands the slaughter of millions in the OT.
This is a fact that most evangelicals don't want to acknowledge for obvious reasons.
Not only that, but Satan does the killing on direct orders from Yahweh.
Well, they ignore it as much as they can, but when they must address it they justify the death and destruction as God’s love and claim it is good since they believe God and good are synonymous.
They also don't acknowledge the fact that among those killed were some slaves of Job.
Yep, that's right. YHVHs most loyal servant had slaves.
Women and children are replaceable. Job got a whole new, younger, prettier, harder-working family to replace the one God allowed killed to win his bet.
From my recollection of my indoctrination during 13 years of catholic education, Jesus said: "We no longer live by the old law, we now have a new law, the law of love..." To me, that meant the old testament was dead and we live according to the new testament. Made sense at the time until these clowns drag out Leviticus when gender rights are brought up. Just one of a hundred examples.
Make no mistake, if the preachers ever attained the power they appear to dream of, they would build the world of their dreams around the blood-thirsty monster of the Old Testament.
They use(d) it to justify chattel slavery.
Yeah, the state of chattel is something they're trying to impose on modern women today.
Not gonna fly, women have come too far to be stuffed back in the box. Well, with the exception of "tradwife," but that is voluntary servitude. Try to force me to make you a sammich, you're not gonna like what I put in it.
𝐷𝑜 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑘 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝐼 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑒 𝑡𝑜 𝑎𝑏𝑜𝑙𝑖𝑠ℎ 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐿𝑎𝑤 𝑜𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑃𝑟𝑜𝑝ℎ𝑒𝑡𝑠; 𝐼 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑒 𝑡𝑜 𝑎𝑏𝑜𝑙𝑖𝑠ℎ 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑚 𝑏𝑢𝑡 𝑡𝑜 𝑓𝑢𝑙𝑓𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑚.
-- Matthew 5:17
I don't know where ANYONE gets this "new law" from Jesus noise, never mind the fact that the above-cited quote is why the OT is still in play, insofar as the actual Christian religion is concerned. Naturally, a great deal of christers pick and choose the verses they like and don't like, as though the bible were a smorgasbord.
Thing is, if they actually recognized all the contradictions in the bible, they might find themselves in the position of having to ignore ALL OF IT, and they can't have that!
Verse 18 puts the nail in the coffin for believers:
"For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen will by any means disappear from the Law until everything has been accomplished."
Have either your non-existent heaven or the very real Earth vanished? Has Jesus returned to set up his kingdom? No? Then you are still under the Old Law.
Luke 22:20, 2 Corinthians 3:6, and the fact that the 'new covenant' language used in the gospels (I think three of them? Mark doesn't use the word 'new') in referring to the last supper seems to directly mirror old testament claims that there will be a future new covenant made between God and the Jews (example: Jeremiah 31:31).
I agree it's somewhat contradictory with other NT passages, but they do get that side of the argument from the bible just as much as you get the 'Jesus will not change the laws' argument from it.
When I was a Christian, I interpreted it as basically referring to a hierarchy. The NT golden rule and Jesus' more hippie turn the other cheek stuff was at the top, with all past rules being early, more narrow and specific attempts to instantiate that principle. Thus, Jesus "fulfills" the laws by pulling all these disparate rules together into one singular overarching, guiding principle. They aren't gone or abolished, we just understand the spirit of those laws better now. But I will admit, that's just apologetics. When one *doesn't* start from a Christian perspective of needing the bible to be correct, then yes the much more natural conclusion is simply, "the bible says contradictory things."
How do you reconcile a command to *KILL* disobedient children with the golden rule and turn the other cheek? How can the latter be an expansion or explanation for the former.
I told you where I got it, a memory from my time at catholic schools. Remember, catholics don't read the bible, they let the priests read it and tell them what it means.
Except that Jesus said the old laws and prophets should be followed. Always a lot of contradiction no matter which testament.
Yeah, Yahweh was certainly a member of the ASS club in the OT. The other ASS club.
Kinda the point of the whole thing, innit. Pop that entitled xian bubble, show them they're not above the law and that they aren't the only religion out there, just one of many.
Remember this tidbit from the article OwossoHarpist posted
"It is because of the Christian religion that we have allowed other religions to come in and be known,” he added. “It’s because of us being very tolerant.”
Ouais mon gars, et la marmotte elle met le chocolat dans le papier d'alu*
Catchphrase from this commercial, who became associated with incredulity
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qg3Rk-B09o
“I think it’s B.S.,” said parent Courtney Dennis. “I think it needs to be held somewhere else and not a school.”
I agree with you it is BS. Those Christian clubs would be more appropriate in a church setting anyway. Maybe you could hold it in a church. I have little doubt there are many churches nearby. Yep Google shows about a half dozen within a mile.
Oh, you don't mean the Good News Club.
I hate that they made it before school so it wasn't the ASS Club anymore. My kid was laughing her own ass off thinking about how many of her fellow middle school students would enjoy getting to say they had to stay after for ASS club. Unfortunately there aren't any Christian groups at her school for me to be frustrated with. She does like garden club but the teacher that runs it is a literal witch (no problem with that on my end).They've got an amazing garden set up.
I hope they teach her to plug her ears when harvesting the mandrakes! /s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c1v7WhKJoA
I don't think mandrakes will grow in our zone unfortunately.
How do you know she's a witch? Have any students been turned into newts?
Is she made of wood? Does she float in water?
Quick! Fetch a duck!
And use the largest scales.
She told me and the students multiple times that's she's a swamp witch?
Not familiar with that term. I wonder if the swamp affects buoyancy?
Which edition of the Players Handbook?
https://youtu.be/DY-RYFUz9TE
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/starlight/2020/07/the-allure-of-the-swamp-witch/
They got better.
Once again, it's the usual deal. Those opposing the After School Satan Clubs demonstrate that they don't actually KNOW what these clubs are about, any more than they understand that The Satanist Temple, which sponsors ASSC, does NOT worship Satan (!); they create straw men to castigate TST and ASSC, then make like a bunch of crazy Karens, claiming that TST and ASSC will ruin their kids and their town. I'm not even formerly Jewish, but OY!
I AM pleased to see that the FFRF has gotten into the fray here, and I hope that the Chimneyrock Elementary School District will see reason [he shakes his head and groans!], but I am not especially hopeful, and I DO want to see followup on this issue.
They’re masters at making strawmen. They’ve had centuries of practice.
I suspect that even if they understood what ASSC was about, they would still think it will ruin their kids. Kids taught to think rarely support authoritarianism.
I'm pretty sure they would object to it even fully understanding that it's critical thinking done under the name/sponsorship of TST. The link between Satan and something like that is sufficient to draw the objection.
OT but related
My town is having an election for school board members in a couple weeks. One of the candidates is a MAGAt and has spoken out about the school and the DEI committee in the past and had made a statement for the local paper that was suspect. So the local Facebook page brought up the statement in the paper to get some clarification on his stance. Well. He responded, apparently trying to defend himself because he mentioned two people who made comments about him by name and addressed their concerns. In this response directly to the Facebook page he pretty much told everyone that his desire to remove politics from the curriculum was, in fact, what we feared to be forcing anyone not white, cis-het, Christian, able bodied, males back into the closet or in their place. He doubled down on eliminating DEI, claiming it was dividing the community. As though it is the minorities demanding basic human dignity and rights is what caused the problem with division in the community and not the bigotry and oppression.
This relates to the ASSC and the TST because the arguments against allowing them to exist in schools are the same thinking as the shitty school board candidate’s. The idea that the club should change its name to be welcomed, or even tolerated, is the problem. Not the fact that it exists. There are many reasons the TST does what it does, and all of them are noble pursuits. But pointing out the bigotry is not the divisive source, the bigotry is.
I just saw on the news last night that Alabama has now banned DEI. My wife and I had a discussion about how we are going backwards.
I grew up in the 70s and I don't remember running across anyone who would scream their racism so loudly. They were the ones in the closet, afraid to come out. Today those bigots are in charge and actually proud of it. idk, maybe it's because I went to school in AZ where we had a lot of Hispanics but the black population was fairly small. My wife wen to school in AZ where her high school was about 50% black.
Hi, sweetie. I went to high school in Alabama, by the way, as I'm sure you remember. ;)
Part of last night's discussion was about how, back in the 80's things were, in actual point of fact, improving on the issue of racism. I'd agree that progress was entirely too slow, and that too many people were resisting said progress, but it was happening. Now, much of the machinery that was pushing for equality has been dismantled on the idea that it's no longer needed; which I personally find laughable. Racism is all too alive and well, and cannot be removed from society like the disease it is fast enough.
yea, typos before coffee....
There were race riots at my school during integration in the 70s.
Correction, my high school. I was there 80 to 84.
𝐼 𝑗𝑢𝑠𝑡 𝑠𝑎𝑤 𝑜𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑛𝑒𝑤𝑠 𝑙𝑎𝑠𝑡 𝑛𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝐴𝑙𝑎𝑏𝑎𝑚𝑎 ℎ𝑎𝑠 𝑛𝑜𝑤 𝑏𝑎𝑛𝑛𝑒𝑑 𝐷𝐸𝐼.
Good grief, Agnes! Running scared much?
You think that's bad, one of our nearby district school boards ended up with a dyed in the wool White Supremacist. A person who literally holds an office in one of those clubs. He kept it secret while running (as a Republican), of course. But when the Mayor asked him point blank if he was a member of that group, the new board member responded "it is my constitutional right not to answer that question" - to which the mayor replied, "you just did."
Anyway, there's a local attempt at a recall., by both Dems and the local GOP organizations. But it's a fairly conservative county, and the guy still gets to keep the (R) next to his name on the ballot because the GOP hasn't actually kicked him out, so that may get him most of the way to beating it.
Too bad he goes against DEI and not Dei.
Oh look. Christians throwing tantrums over the fact that theirs is not the only religion allowed. Again.
In other news, water is wet.
[Just to remind everyone, these ASS Clubs do not promote Satan, Satanic beliefs, Satanism, or anything else like it. ]
And just to remind everyone: IT WOULDN'T MATTER IF THEY DID BELIEVE IN AND WORSHIP A LITERAL SATAN (so long as they weren't breaking any laws).
I'm very familiar with TST and follow their great work. I also live in West Tennessee so know all about the bible beaters being up in arms- correct, they literally can't accept anything different than their narrow ideology.
NOT one of them has bothered to go to the satanic temple website to read about their 7 tenants. That's how close-minded these people are, if this group were called the rainbows and unicorn Temple with the Sam 7 tenants no one would give a shit , they'd be fine with it. The word Satan simply means adversary anyway.
I'm sure TST would be happy to leave the school IF the school would stop proselytizing children through their bible programs. That is truly what this is all about, the evangelists come in with their little after school program, parents need an after school program because they work - - and the evangelicals Good News Club program forces their damn bible and indoctrination on the children , right there on school grounds.
Get religion out of public- you want to read the bible do it at home or do it at church.
𝑁𝑂𝑇 𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑚 ℎ𝑎𝑠 𝑏𝑜𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑔𝑜 𝑡𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑎𝑡𝑎𝑛𝑖𝑐 𝑡𝑒𝑚𝑝𝑙𝑒 𝑤𝑒𝑏𝑠𝑖𝑡𝑒 𝑡𝑜 𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑑 𝑎𝑏𝑜𝑢𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑟 7 𝑡𝑒𝑛𝑎𝑛𝑡𝑠.
Of course they haven't. They might learn that [shock and horror!] they are completely misinformed about The Satanic Temple and they might possibly [oh, say it ain't so, Joe!] CHANGE THEIR MINDS!!! Can't have that, nopenopenopenope!
These religious cult radicals believe in the Garden of Eden, that literally humans just arrived here a mere 8,000 years ago, they believe Eve is created from the rib of Adam, (women are not even real people) - they believe in Immaculate conception......... they think it's a woman's job to suffer that we brought sin into this world in the Garden of Eden.....
this is the level of fucking idiocy we are dealing with. It is super unfortunate that the bible even exists, what a bunch of fucking lies. But yet they don't bother to question anything. Jesus himself could literally float down on a cloud and they would come up with 10 conspiracy theories and then shoot him down. A 19-year-old daughter could tell her parents she's pregnant claiming to never have had sex it must be Immaculate conception, and the parents would of course call her a liar, they would say of course you had sex..... and they would be correct with that assessment...... but yet they believe the story about Virgin Mary from the bible. None of these people can fathom that maybe Mary did have sex and maybe Jesus was just a regular dude. Or maybe he doesn't exist at all, the point is there's zero critical thinking on their part.
Somewhere, someone in some universe is laughing their ass off at the humans right now, shaking their heads at the dumb humans. Lol
That level of gullibility, indoctrination, and ignorance is downright terrifying. [sigh]
"they believe Eve is created from the rib of Adam"
Making her a transsexual clone.
Bodily autonomy alone woud have them screaming bloody murder and foaming at the mouth.
Ok, I’ve gotta come clean: I persecute Christians. How? By refusing to let them into my home and preach falsehoods and fairy tales. There, glad I got that off my chest. Btw, my pentagram is on its way.
PS My kids would have loved an ASSC, first for the name, second, for the science stuff. Both geek out on science.
You've raised them well.
Thank you. I sometimes think it’s the opposite. 😉
Picture the day you hang it on your door :)
Set up a camera inside it so you can get people's expressions when they see it.
"Calvo also said, “Just because a law is the law we don’t have to accept it.” (Spoiler: They literally do.)"
That's been the issue though, hasn't it? There is currently in the US a group of particularly noisy Christians who seem to believe that they don't need to follow the rule of law because their Jesus told them not to. They honestly believe they're morally in the right, however unreasonable and demented that may be to the rest of the world. That's exactly what's happening here, too; Christians want to have their Good News clubs, but refuse anyone and everyone their own religious clubs specifically because those clubs aren't Christian.
The worst part is that the international community has started to really take notice of this Christian attitude, and has started responding accordingly. The credit rating for the US has gone down several times in recent memory, and it's at least in part due to so many US citizens loudly pushing the idea that it's fine if it's for Jesus. Rule of law must needs apply evenly to all or it's worthless and the international community knows it; if a 'Christian' nation lies for Jesus to accomplish Jesus' goals, there's no reason to trust that nation to pay its bills.
Good luck to the Satanic Temple on this one; they're without doubt in the right but these days that might not be enough anymore.
"Just because a law is the law we don't have to accept it."
Your own bible tells you to obey all earthly laws and authorities and why, Calvo. And do you not understand the definition of a "law?" Would you like to have it read to you?
"The system of rules which a particular country or community recognizes as regulating the actions of its members and which it may enforce by the imposition of penalties."
Clear enough, Calvo? No? How about this?
"A rule of conduct or action prescribed or formally recognized as binding or enforced by a controlling authority."
Do I need to get out the crayons, Calvo?
You think he needs a snack?
Likely a nap as well.
Yes, whenever others ask for equal treatment they cry 'persecution!'
Lawyer: You know we can't treat the Satanists any differently that the Christians, legally that is.
Board members: Well, then what are we going to do about them.
Lawyer: As long as you don't treat them differently, you can try anything. But the one thing you can't do is treat them differently.
Board members: I know, why don't we treat them differently.
Lawyer **Quick math figuring out how many hours of work will pay for the Aruba vacation**: Brilliant idea.
Satanists lawyers (is that redundant : ) need vacations too.
Not as bad as skunkfucking law*makers* need to go to Cancun during a natural disaster affecting their constituents. The only thing that could have made that situation more of a slap in the face is if the taxpayers had paid for his trip.
Yes. I'm still mad about this. Not as mad as Snowflake should be. Ze should be bite off your balls angry, but probably forgave him faster than Texas Republicans.
I am too.
"Now it’ll be up to a judge to figure out a punishment."
Let's just hope they will not be a bigot themselves. We saw it again and again. They don't hesitate to use their discretionary power to flout the laws they don't like.
And you are 100% correct - kids are much safer in the after school Satan Club than they are with any minister or priest or SBC......
too many pedophiles and rapist hiding behind religion
Wow....kids thinking for themselves and coming up with their own ideas. Performing community service. Solving intellectual problems. Learning science and arts and crafts.
WHAT COULD BE WORSE AND MORE DANGEROUS TO THE POWER STRUCTURE?
THESE KIDS SHOULD BE LEAPING TO THEIR FEET AND SCREAMING ADHERENCE TO THE ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL! MIT UNSER FUEHRER VOR DEM SIEG!
Or they could become adults who support minorities and women rights, and try to limit the global warming. The horror 😱
They might not even volunteer to join the US military to protect Exxon's stock values in a Middle East war, and protest it instead.
WHAT WOULD BILLY GRAHAM AND J. EDGAR HOOVER SAY?
No sé, since the first can't eat crackers anymore and the second exist in a vacuum.
*Hobbles towards the nearest exit*
Once again, Christians who actively practice grooming of children shriek and falsely, hypocritically accuse others of grooming children.
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