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When civil or penal trials are ongoing or about to start no bankruptcy filling should be accepted.

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Hear-freaking-HEAR!!!

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It's not different from deadbeat ex spouses who divest all their money and properties to not pay the alimony they have to pay.

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Plus howwwwww can the declare bk when there are literally unlimited funds in the home office???

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I think they claim every dioceses is separate to avoid this. Disingenuous. But that's the church isn't it?

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/pedantry/ You're misusing "literally." /English teacher mode/

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I think you replied to the wrong person. Judging by the little lines on the page anyway. I didn't use the word literally. Literally. ๐Ÿ˜

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Or Alex Jones, and I think the courts have cottoned onto his shenanigans and put a stop to them.

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Terrific. Yet another Catholic diocese goes into bankruptcy. Yet again, I have to ask:

๐—ช๐—›๐—”๐—ง ๐—”๐—•๐—ข๐—จ๐—ง ๐—ง๐—›๐—˜ ๐—ฃ๐—ฅ๐—œ๐—˜๐—ฆ๐—ง๐—ฆ?!?

When are THEY themselves going to be charged and arraigned and tried and convicted and imprisoned for their crimes? I've been waiting since long before ๐‘€๐‘’๐‘Ž ๐‘€๐‘Ž๐‘ฅ๐‘–๐‘š๐‘Ž ๐ถ๐‘ข๐‘™๐‘๐‘Ž or ๐‘†๐‘๐‘œ๐‘ก๐‘™๐‘–๐‘”โ„Ž๐‘ก came out to hear that a thorough investigation of a diocese at minimum if not the entire Church was under severe scrutiny, that a grand jury was empaneled to examine the evidence and that charges were pending, not just against priests, but the bishops and archbishops and cardinals who were suborning and supporting their illegal activity. Someone needs to get on that.

Because I want to see their sorry asses thrown in the hoosegow and the key thrown away!

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In the rare cases they had a slap on the wrist or real jail time, they were systematically released in appeal. See France and Australia.

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Once again (for the millionth time!) because they are Men Of Faithโ„ข, supposedly upright and trustworthy ... and if you believe that one, I got this real swell bank in Santa Clara I'd like you to invest in!

Honestly, I'm so tired of these jackasses in dresses skating on this crap, there may not be the words to describe the emotion. I don't know how. I just know that this noise has got to stop, that someone has to find the will to put the screws to the RCC and make them not just understand the culpability they have, but to MAKE THEM PAY.

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In fact, because they are men of faith and abused positions of responsibility, they should get longer sentences not shorter.

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Don't tell me you already sold the Montana mansion with sea view you promised me ๐Ÿคฌ

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Oh, hell, that one went weeks ago! I DO still have the bridge in Brooklyn, though, and it's a real deal! ๐Ÿคช

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I am not a troll, living under a bridge don't interest me ๐Ÿ˜

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I'm surprised Troublesh00ter doesn't know that hobbitesses live in burrows.

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Mar 13, 2023ยทedited Mar 13, 2023

"..real swell bank in Santa Clara.."

I think you're referring to Silicon Valley bank that just collapsed, amirite?

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Awww, darn, you guessed! ๐Ÿ˜

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Did you mean, Make them Pray?

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Better they pray than prey.

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The systematic sexual abuse of children has been the church's dirty little secret for centuries. The Catholic Church needs to be consigned to the graveyard of bad ideas.

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OT but โ€“ here we go again.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/13/three-year-old-girl-accidentally-shoots-sister-dead-texas

Pity she didn't shoot whoever let her get hold of the gun.

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And yet this idjit wants to protect children from the imaginary threat posed by drag queens; and do nothing about the very real thing that is the number one cause of death of children in the US.

https://youtu.be/tCuIxIJBfCY?t=435

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If only there had been a Good Guy With A Gunโ„ข to prevent this senseless tragedy.

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Yeah, after all the only thing that stops a bad baby with a gun is a good baby with a gun right?

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How did the "bad baby" get the gun? Black market? Theft?

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The same way the "bad guys" get guns here in Floriduh, by taking the gun from a car that a ๐™ง๐™š๐™จ๐™ฅ๐™ค๐™ฃ๐™จ๐™ž๐™—๐™ก๐™š gun owner left unlocked.

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A gun inside a car in Florida? Why does that sound like a recipe for accidental discharge. Greenhouse effect is a thing.

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My grandfather kept .22 rifles leaned up against the piano in the living room. We all knew not to touch them that they were dangerous. I sometimes wonder if the fact that gun owners hide the guns rather than make the children aware that they're there and dangerous, added to the proliferation of toy guns, is why so many little kids think they are toys.

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Mar 13, 2023ยทedited Mar 13, 2023

NZ regulations say you must have guns locked in a cabinet or some such, and the bolts and ammunition in a separate locked box hidden somewhere. Mind you, I would do that anyway. Don't mind kids seeing the guns et cetera et cetera, even though my son's never shown any interest in hunting โ€“ damn computer nerd โ€“ but no way are they touching them without my supervision and express permission.

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That may be part of it. I grew up around guns as well, and while my parents kept them locked up, they didn't hide them. If us kids wanted to see them, we could... under supervision, with no ammo, and only if we observed the basic safety rules (every gun is loaded, even if it's not; never point a gun at living things, etc). We quickly figured out that handling real guns was less fun than playing with toys, and stopped caring about them until we were old enough to go target shooting. Knowledge disarms curiosity.

Same with household chemicals, electrical outlets, and every other potentially-lethal thing that might be in the home. Just pointing at a thing and saying "don't touch that" isn't good enough. Tell them why. Show them what it does, if you can. Demystify it so that it's not just another boundary to test, and you remove the lion's share of the danger.

Of course, there's also the third option: "๐˜ฅ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ'๐˜ต ๐˜ฌ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฑ ๐˜ฑ๐˜ฐ๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ญ๐˜บ-๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ญ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜จ๐˜ด ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ค๐˜ฉ๐˜ช๐˜ญ๐˜ฅ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ, ๐˜ฅ๐˜ถ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฃ๐˜ข๐˜ด๐˜ด!" ...but that's neither here nor there.

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Itโ€™s not the law abiding gun owners, why do you have to punish them too? Itโ€™s the criminals who steal guns or get them off the black market, it isnโ€™t the good guys who have lots of guns that are the problem.

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I don't want to get in to a huge discussion on this because we'll almost certainly end up talking past each other, but people who let three-year-olds get hold of guns should be considered criminals. Mine* have always been locked away, with bolts and ammunition kept in a locked box and the ceiling space. It would take very advanced three-year-old to get hold of any of them.

*Guns, not children ๐Ÿ™‚

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I was being sarcastic. Some of the common sense gun control laws include requiring gun safes and trigger locks.

When I was very young, my father had a handgun of some sort in a locked box, hidden away in a closet. I didnโ€™t even know it existed until my parents caught my older brother playing with it. They found someone to buy it from them and never owned another one. I was maybe five, so he would have been eight. Apparently, I almost literally dodged a bullet.

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"I was being sarcastic." Whew! I thought so, but a lot of Americans wouldn't have been. ๐Ÿ˜

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No Good Guy With A Gunโ„ข involved in this shooting.

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In some better news, the House in my state just passed a ban on assault rifles and has sent it on to the Senate. It's still going, as of this typing.

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It really is a sin that the RCC can limit being penalized for past crimes by compartmentalizing dioceses like franchises.

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This needs to be challenged in court -- the church overall has literally unlimited funds

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Much like how Trump's business connivingly did this to wrap up losing businesses and declare paper losses, so he never paid any taxes for decades. One can see how diehard Catholics also love Trump so much.

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Maybe the Russian Mafia can bail out the Catholic diocese, too?

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Nah, the Russian Mafia prefers the Eastern Orthodox church.

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Mar 13, 2023ยทedited Mar 13, 2023

Totes OT:

An Ivermectin Influencer Died. Now His Followers Are Worried About Their Own โ€˜Severeโ€™ Symptoms.

Danny Lemoi took a daily dose of veterinary-grade ivermectin and told his thousands of followers to give the drug to children. He died of a common side effect of the medication.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/z3mb89/ivermectin-danny-lemoi-death

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Mar 13, 2023ยทedited Mar 13, 2023

Fucked Around, Found Out.

Quack cures. Alternative medicine. Wanna know what they call medicine that actually does the job it's supposed to do? Medicine.

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I am shocked it didn't happen earlier.

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Wonder why Bildo hasn't mouthed off about this yet?

Even if it's just to spew "It wasn't rape and they weren't children!"

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Fucked by priests as kids. Fucked by the church s adults.

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Same as it ever was.

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For almost two millennia.

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Gomez argues the law is unconstitutional? Since when did the RCC give two hoots about the law of the land?

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Er ... When it suits them? ๐Ÿ˜

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Even though that document nowhere mentions Christianity, the Bible, God, Jesus/Christ, Holy Spirit, divine, etc.

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When they appointed themselves kingmakers. It obviously backfired when Kings decided to become popes makers instead.

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They still have a church building they could sell. Move to a strip mall. And I'm sure someone would give a couple bucks for that silly hat.

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A tent in a tornado corridor.

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I don't know about the US, but the NZ Catholic Church has a fair bit of property โ€“ by that I mean buildings worth millions of dollars, not just churches either. If it's the same in the US they should all be seized โ€“ bugger any bankruptcy proceedings.

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Holy Mother Church holds real estate worth uncounted hundreds of billions here. They are wholly unaccountable--pay no taxes, have to reporting requirements--so their true worth is known only to themselves.

I know for a fact that the Pittsburgh diocese owns a whopping 37 office buildings (including several of the "prestige" addresses) in the downtown business district and the university section of the city. They also own a profitable downtown restaurant, a theater and Christ knows how much other real estate. And they hold multi-billion dollar stock portfolios on top of that. Yet they're constantly whining about how poor they are and how badly all those nefarious abuse victims are hurting them.

Religion is only a front operation for them. Their real business is...business. And they make all their profits exactly the same way secular businesses do. The big difference is that they pay NO taxes. None. Zero. Zip. Bernie Madoff at his most corrupt never concocted such a cushy scheme.

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Come to think of it ... they could sell hospitals? Win/win.

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Because that's what it's all about, isn't it, RCC?

Protect the church. Protect the money. The victims can go hang. Holy Mother Church needs to die. It is broken beyond saving. For the women, LGBTQs and especially children, the RCC needs to go.

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โ€œTo pay those amounts, they had to sell off property and borrow money. Vasa says thereโ€™s no more property to sell, very little insurance coverage available, and over 160 cases that are brand new. They have nothing left to give.โ€œ

Maybe you can ask the Vatican for help rather than the US legal system. Pay up. Put the perpetrators on the chopping block. Step away from education, healthcare and even charity. Let the people who know what theyโ€™re doing so that stuff rather than force your incompetent and criminal selves into these institutions.

Too bad the courts canโ€™t deny the bankruptcy. Just say โ€œno, find a way to pay for your criminal behavior. You donโ€™t get bankruptcy anymore to avoid the consequences of your criminality.โ€

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Oh, how ๐˜ฅ๐˜ฆ๐˜ญ๐˜ช๐˜ค๐˜ช๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ๐˜ด it would be to see the Sistine Chapel auctioned off. Along with all of the RCC's other ill-gotten wealth and property... and to see the Pope trade his silk robes in for a burlap sack, and his throne for a cardboard box.

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Mar 13, 2023ยทedited Mar 13, 2023

I'd like to purchase the Popemobile dirt cheap, repaint it and stick it in the next Pride Parade, filled inside and out with hot hunky guys bumping and grinding.

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Pope Barrel the First.

https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.YRqjqaVq9bDDBV3wNcMQ4wHaJP

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Not even a funny hat to his name.

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Being able to declare bankruptcy due to an organization's own malfeasance should not be allowed. The world's longest running pedophile club needs to pay for its crimes, not slither out from under them and continue business as usual.

Why parents continue to trust this group with their children just boggles my mind.

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If you're going to sue Walmart, say, or Target, you don't file suit against just your local store. You file against the corporation, the body that oversees and sets policies and standards for local outlets. But Holy Mother Church somehow gets away with hanging individual local outlets out to dry when abuse cases come to light. Enough. It really is time for someone to go after the US Conference of Catholic Bishops, which sets policy and administers rules and regulations (and exercises a measure of financial control) for dioceses.

But suing the USCCB, a national-level organization, would require a federal suit and there is one big problem with that: The Republicans in congress would erect as many roadblocks as possible to prevent a successful lawsuit against any christian church. And I daresay a lot (if not most) Democrats, probably including our devoutly Catholic president, would aid and assist them. And of course when the suit gets appealed to SCOTUS, snowballs in hell would have a longer shelf life.

Still, it would be just divine to see someone try.

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Maybe it's more like dealing with a local McDonald's or Subway or the like - franchises. ๐Ÿค”

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But they're not franchises. The church sets the rules for them and the standards they enforce. The church tell them who they can let in their pews and who to exclude. And each church and each diocese has rigidly set financial obligations TO THE CHURCH, and the church sets rigid guidelines for hwo they can spend their profits. Individual parishes can get away with being mavericks, if their bishop is sufficiently lenient. But the bishops themselves are kept on a fairly tight leash. If they tug at it too hard, they get smacked HARD with a rolled-up copy of canon law.

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It would be interesting to see how the various bits are set up legally. Is it an international pedophilia corporation headquartered in Rome, or is it a franchise-esque monstrosity with local "ownership" and corporate oversight & support. It seems a mess.

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More OT goodness...

"Bestselling author" Ted Cruz just made a very big announcement and literally nobody gives AF"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/bestselling-author-ted-cruz-just-made-a-very-big-announcement-and-literally-nobody-gives-af/ar-AA18zEuw

Texas turning blue (and not from freezing to death because of its lousy power grid)? One can but hope.

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They've been saying that since I moved here in 2006. The Sahara will freeze over first.

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I can't see how anyone could vote for him once he took off to Cancun in the middle of the freeze. If one of our politicians had done something like that they would have been crucified โ€“ probably by their own party. But certainly by the press and the opposition.

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They haven't *yet*. His last election was 2018. The freeze was in 2021. He'll be up for re-election in 2024 presuming he doesn't resign for another run at POTUS. If he doesn't, I expect he'll win another term unless, by some miracle, he's primaried.

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Starting with cdbunch.

I just hope this crap will not be published on 15th November ๐Ÿคฌ

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Grifters gotta grift.

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