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Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

I’m going to say something controversial. This is more than hypocrisy, it’s more than just looking at porn, or masturbating at inappropriate times, and it is not the least of what he’s done. It isn’t the worst thing he’s done, I will never forget Nex Benedict and his response to their death, but it is something that I’d far more nefarious than just being a human with urges. This is blatant misogyny. What woman who goes into any office to see pictures of naked women, nude calendars, or videos of porn in the background will think they will be heard? Sexual harassment, creating a hostile work environment, and more are not acceptable and in some cases crimes, and grounds for termination. Claiming this is just simply hypocrisy is undervaluing the reality that women in the workforce have had to live with forever. We’ve had to work in places that had these images visible day in and day out and challenged not to complain, harassed for saying anything, and have the images excused by the leadership. But the images are never the end of the problem, they’re just a signal that the workplace will be hostile to you. The men who put up these types of images will never consider you capable, or worthy of your position. They will dismiss you, at best, but will not think twice about assaulting you. He had parents in his office discussing their children, and the parent who was speaking was a woman, his colleague who called him out was a woman, and his response was to accuse her of being the aggressor. He’s telling women, specifically these women that he doesn’t value their opinions, their concerns, or their humanity. How does he treat the female students under his watch? Women are just objects to him, wallpaper, their value is in their appearance as decoration. At least, when he is at work.

I don’t think this is so small.

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larry parker's avatar

Not controversial. An astute observation.

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

Utterly agreed.

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Dianne Marie Leonard's avatar

Yup. I remember going for an interview after grad school at a company office in Calif. I was well qualified for the job, but I'm not sure why the headhunter sent me there. This was long before the internet was a thing, but every square foot of the (all-male) company office was festooned with porn mags, "girlie" calendars, and the like. They did offer me the job, which would have mostly been out in the field rather than in the office, but I already knew what they thought.... It didn't take much for me to decline the offer. The headhunter was *pissed*. He didn't think that was a good reason to decline a good-paying job.

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Karen M's avatar

I walked away from a grad school spot in large part because the all male older students that I was supposed to be working with insisted on talking and joking about sex constantly in front of me. And after I told the program director, he excused it because they're young men. Never mind that they were all older than me.

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Bensnewlogin's avatar

Boys disguised as men. Men disguised as boys.

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Dianne Marie Leonard's avatar

When I was visiting grad programs back in the day, I did the same once as well, and for much the same reason. The offer was good--fellowships etc--but that did not make up for the BS. My undergrad major prof was disappointed because he had worked there for his first tenure-track position, and genuinely thought I'd like it.

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

Not "small" at all. There are a dozen or more adjectives that could be pressed into service to describe the ignominy that is Ryan Walters, none of them complimentary. Then, too, he is among the multiple faces of the desire for Christian hegemony and an American theocracy.

And the worst part of it is that he thinks he's done nothing wrong.

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Len's avatar

"Women are just objects to him, wallpaper, their value is in their appearance as decoration. At least, when he is at work."

This is very scary!

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Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

You don’t have to tell me.

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John Smith's avatar

I wish I could give more upvotes for that!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Brava.

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Joan the Dork's avatar

It occurs to me now- though I don't know why it didn't earlier- that there's probably a third layer to this, too: a thinly-veiled fascist power flex. The event itself is something outrageous enough that it could 𝘢𝘭𝘮𝘰𝘴𝘵 be passed off as a mistake, or a misogynist "joke" in 𝘦𝘹𝘵𝘳𝘦𝘮𝘦𝘭𝘺 poor taste (the chilling effect on every woman who either was present or who watched the scene remotely is, as you say, a totally deliberate part of the malevolent game he's playing), or whatever other bullshit excuse comes to mind... but that's exactly the kind of thing the extremist right 𝘥𝘰𝘦𝘴 (I hesitate to call them the 𝘢𝘭𝘵-right anymore because it's clear they've become the 𝘮𝘢𝘪𝘯𝘴𝘵𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘮 right, since Chump came along). They do something they know is going to go over poorly, and then try to pass it off as "just a joke" or an "innocent mistake," gaslight the target, and top the shit-sundae with a little good 'ol DARVO.

It's "counting coup" by any other name- do something that any normal person would 𝘦𝘹𝘱𝘦𝘤𝘵 to get in trouble for, right out in the open in front of everybody, and get away with it instead. Just like Muskrat's or Ingraham's blatant Nazi salutes, Chump's final rally of the campaign that was an obvious echo of a similar American Nazi rally at the very same venue in the '30s, the CPAC main stage several years ago being shaped like a symbol used by the Nazis... and so on.

If he 𝘥𝘰𝘦𝘴 get away with it, either completely or with a slap-on-the-wrist and/or not-pology, then he'll know he's shifted the power dynamic further in his favor.

And then the next stunt he pulls will inevitably be 𝘮𝘶𝘤𝘩 worse.

The timing probably isn't a mistake, either. With the leader of the cult blowing up in the news for his well-known ties to a prolific abuser of underage girls, it seems a little more than coincidental that other fascist assholes would be pulling shit like this right now. They want to know where the line is- or rather, they want to know if there still 𝘪𝘴 a line. If Dear Leader skates on his association with Epstein, there certainly won't be a line for 𝘩𝘪𝘮 anymore, but it's still an open question whether or not his 𝘧𝘰𝘭𝘭𝘰𝘸𝘦𝘳𝘴 (or, at least, the ones who are prominent enough to be afforded the protection of fame and/or fortune) can get away with as much as the Big Kahunaberder himself can. If so... fuck, we may 𝘢𝘭𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘥𝘺 be in Gilead.

And with 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 cheery thought, there's a bottle of Bourbon in the other room with my name on it.

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Kathryn Benavides's avatar

"Women are just objects to him, wallpaper, their value is in their appearance as decoration. "

Translation: Women are penis food.

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Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

More like pee pee holsters.

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ericc's avatar
3dEdited

Yup.

I'd say one rule of thumb difference between healthy sex life and unhealthy is lack of control and ability to accept boundaries. If dude is looking at porn on a work computer during a teleconference, he's got problems.

He's frankly lucky he's a state elected official in a place like Oklahoma. I expect most private companies, federal offices, and less shoestring state governments are all using monitoring software these days. And hopefully, board members Carson and Deatherage will suggest that the OK department of education start doing that too.

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Matri's avatar

And Lord Dampnut encompasses these values.

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Linda Bower's avatar

💯 harassment and misogyny. These types only get progressively worse as time goes on if they’re allowed to hold their position.

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Joe King's avatar

𝐼𝑛 𝑎 2023 𝑣𝑖𝑑𝑒𝑜 𝑐𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑓𝑜𝑟 “𝑝𝑜𝑟𝑛 𝑓𝑟𝑒𝑒 𝑠𝑐ℎ𝑜𝑜𝑙𝑠,” 𝑊𝑎𝑙𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑠 𝑝𝑢𝑠ℎ𝑒𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑏𝑎𝑛 𝑏𝑜𝑜𝑘𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑖𝑛𝑐𝑙𝑢𝑑𝑒𝑑 “𝑟𝑎𝑑𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑙 𝑠𝑒𝑥𝑢𝑎𝑙 𝑚𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑖𝑎𝑙.” 𝐵𝑢𝑡 𝑛𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑏𝑜𝑜𝑘𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑚𝑎𝑘𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑜𝑠𝑒 𝑙𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑠 𝑟𝑎𝑛𝑑𝑜𝑚𝑙𝑦 𝑖𝑛𝑐𝑙𝑢𝑑𝑒 𝑎 𝑔𝑟𝑜𝑢𝑝 𝑜𝑓 𝑛𝑎𝑘𝑒𝑑 𝑤𝑜𝑚𝑒𝑛 𝑗𝑢𝑠𝑡 𝑖𝑑𝑙𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑎𝑟𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑑. 𝑆𝑜 𝑖𝑡’𝑠 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑙𝑖𝑘𝑒 𝑊𝑎𝑙𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑠 𝑤𝑎𝑠 𝑑𝑜𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑒𝑎𝑟𝑐ℎ 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑤𝑜𝑟𝑘…

Every accusation a confession. One more data point supporting that hypothesis. I guess Walters is going to redefine porn the way he redefined history. It's not porn if it isn't two men together.

Why is this latest example of hypocrisy from Walters not surprising?

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Sarah Longstaff's avatar

They want children to read stories about daughters having sex with their drunk father. About servants being gang-raped and then cut into 12 pieces for not being able to mount a horse the next day. That book is full of so much shit, and Christian parents want their children to memorize it, so they'll be trauma-bonded into the cult.

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Jelly's avatar

Every classroom has a picture of a pedophile and convicted rapist leering at the students.

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Chris Titchmarsh's avatar

To be honest they don't want children to read this stuff, but they have no idea it is in their holy book. Seeing as they have no idea of most of what Jesus said.

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SeekingReason's avatar

Chris, exactly correct. The bible contains rated X material for sure!😂 You can ALWAYS know who hasn’t actually read the bible!

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Glenn Simonsen's avatar

The Bible contains stories of all the ways people behave badly including sexual sin. If you read them you'll see the bad actors (whether they are Jews, pagans or gentiles) are seen to suffer from their illicit actions. No one reads the Bible with prurient intent to get off on.

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Stephen Brady's avatar

How come allmighty Jeebus doesn't fling lightening bolts at Walters? In the bible he makes it a point to call out the Pharisees for their hypocrisy. Are the evilgelicals getting a free pass?

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Jelly's avatar

Nah, their holy book is a work of fiction.

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Julie's avatar

Kinda sounds like he did! He shaped the electricity into a more modern form — Jeebus gotta keep up with the times y’know. But just as shocking!

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Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

Now, now, he was merely doing research. 😇

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Maltnothops's avatar

“Know your enemy.” And we don’t mean “know” in the biblical sense!

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

Porn is my enemy. Not confronting his enemy is bad.

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Rena's avatar

"Every accusation is a confession" could be the motto of the Republican party/MAGAts - as exemplified by their orange leader, who's primary talent is projection (with the lying immediately behind it...)

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Tinker's avatar

Yea, this latest ridiculous accusation that Obama was the one who solicited Russian influence in the 2016 election is an over-the-top example of that motto.

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Joe King's avatar

Hey Walters! I don't care what you look at during your free time, I don't care how often you spank the monkey. Just quit meddling in what teachers teach and how they teach it and maybe we won't drag you so hard for being a hypocritical Christian Nazionalist.

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Joan the Dork's avatar

Nah, we'd still have 𝘱𝘭𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘺 of things to drag him for.

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oraxx's avatar

Another sanctimonious hypocrite bites the dust? Too soon to tell, but I hope so. It should come as no surprise to anyone that Walters would blame everyone but himself. He is clearly another religious fool who would be only too happy to make the rules for everyone else, while reserving a very different set of rules for himself. It's an age old story.

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

Walter’s has done shit that would have gotten anyone not in a cult, FIRED IMMEDIATELY. He has witnessed the fascist audacity that took Shitler to our White House - gulp - twice. He is merely following suit.

We can also give a big “FUCK YOU” to our friends in the former “4th Estate.” They are the ones who helped normalize this repugnant behavior.

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oraxx's avatar

Few things would benefit American democracy more than smashing the media conglomerates to pieces. We now have MBA types running American newsrooms, whose sole focus is on the quarterly report and the size of their bonus checks. They won't begin to care about what's good for the country until it is much too late to do anything about it.

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

Could not agree more, oraxx.

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Runfastandwin's avatar

As old as civilization…

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Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

I don't get what is so hard for people, and not just walters, to not use company/public property and networks for personal use. If you want to search Adam & Eve for butt plugs, use your device at home. 🙄

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Sean's avatar

I use a gov't computer at work. If I watched porn, even "non-penetrative," then I would lose my job. Do not pass "Go," do not collect $200.

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

Immediately

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Ian D's avatar

Security watching while he packs his desk.

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ericc's avatar
3dEdited

Nope.

Security at the door the next morning. "Here are all the personal effects from your office. Look through the box, tell us if we forgot anything. If so, describe it, we'll go back in and look for it. But you're never even going in the building."

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Sean's avatar

It's much more dramatic than that at work. I've only seen one person walked out at work. The Program Manager showed up with two security guards. He said, "Thank you for your work." And she was escorted to security to turn in her badge, ID card, and vehicle pass, and was followed as she drove off base to ensure she did not deviate anywhere.

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avis piscivorus's avatar

"... use your device at home."

He is more afraid of his wife's reaction when she finds out than his employer's.

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

Good point!

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Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

Seriously, if it is your employer's device and/or their network (even if it is your device), they have every right to track everything you do on it.

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Patricia Kayden's avatar

Exactly. You don’t use your employer’s equipment for personal use. Period.

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Joan the Dork's avatar

Too bad nobody taught that lesson to the spray-tanned shithead who just burned eight figures of taxpayer-bought fuel to fly a taxpayer-owned jumbo jet to Scotland with his taxpayer-funded security team because he fancied a spot of golf.

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susan conner's avatar

Addicted to it. Can't leave it alone no matter where they are so their impulse control is gone and they must watch or have it on at all times. That's probably not all they are doing either.

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Bensnewlogin's avatar

Why would Adam and eve both have butt plugs? The family that kinks together stinks together? I don’t know. I’m just an average gay man. What do I know of this stuff?

As aunt Ida said,” the world of heterosexuals is a sick and boring life”. I’m sure they’re just trying to spice things up a little bit.

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Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

️🎵 Double your pleasure, double your fun ️🎵

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Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

Which reminds me, the UV butt plug I ordered during the pandemic, based on der kinderführer's advice, is still on back order. 🤬

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Gout Machine's avatar

Here’s the thing about that, too. Beyond the ick factor, how fucking stupid are you to look at porn on your work computer? Do you really want someone this pants-shittingly dumb to have any position of authority?

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susan conner's avatar

THEY always tell on themselves.

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Jane in NC's avatar

So commonplace in Walters' office, he forgot it was on when the meeting started.

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

Not only audacious, Walter’s is also technologically STOOPID. He thinks he’s slick, but, can’t even control his computer’s output in a non-MAGATY setting.

If this jackalope isn’t fired, he’ll probably get promoted to Head of Homeland Security, or some other anti-humanity organization.

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Maltnothops's avatar

I think his is an elective office so he can’t be fired except by the voters.

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

Yet, it’s all normalized by the oligarch owned media.

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Sarah Longstaff's avatar

Is anyone at all surprised by this? Christian nationalism runs on sex abuse and trafficking. I wonder how many minor students he's done this to? Oklahoma actually used to have better support for special needs kids there, compared to Texas. But Oklahoma wants to hand over "mental health" services to the Dept of Corrections, too. What a shit-show of a state. And for people who want to say "oh, that's Oklahoma," keep in mind that Republican strategists test idiotic laws in states like that (and Florida). So pay attention. That bill failed in Oklahoma--this time. But Republicans showed their hand, and we need to pay attention. If they put people with mental health and substance issues in prison, think of all the slave-labor profits for private prison investors.

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Joan the Dork's avatar

Oh, I don't think any of this is a surprise to anyone who's been paying attention. Ever since Walters' downright evil reaction to Nex Benedict's murder, on his watch, because of his policies, it's been a silent countdown to any number of different possible scandals. I think most of us probably had our money on rent boys or sexual abuse, but 𝘴𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘰𝘯𝘦 must've had "caught watching porn during a meeting" in the betting pool.

And as for Republican moves towards throwing people in prison for being mentally ill... that's no surprise either. They're merely following in the goose-steps of fascists before them.

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

“Oklahoma wants to hand over "mental health" services to the Dept of Corrections”

This can’t be true! The Department of Corrections can’t even feed inmates properly, now we want them involved in mental health? This is truly tRumpian and preposterous.

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ericc's avatar

I am moderately surprised. I kinda thought he was just a busybody, upset that somewhere someone may be having fun (as Mencken said).

I am also surprised he was as stupid as to have a window open at work while sharing his screen in a teleconference. That's a really special kind of flock up. I remember at a past office hearing the IT team complain that they always had problems with new young enlisted soldiers...but from their descriptions, not even the 18 year old privates were doing stuff THIS stupid.

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avis piscivorus's avatar

Ryan Walters should add a new chapter to Oklahoma textbooks: give the meaning of the abreviation NSFW and explain why accessing such material during working hours or on employer provided hardware can be a carreer limiting offence for anyone with an education related profession.

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Sarah Longstaff's avatar

I highly doubt it was an accident. Predators like to "test" people to see what they can get away with. They should put surveillance cameras in his office.

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

One bigot fundie caught red handed. How boring.

"Both board members said it wasn’t explicitly sexual; there wasn’t penetration involved."

Hello, never heard of lesbian sex ?

And what's the problem with the word "nipple" ?

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Joe King's avatar

The Puritans that came here 400 years ago never managed to shake off their twisted ideas about sex.

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

When I was a very young child, my family lived on Puritan Avenue, in Euclid, Ohio. It was not a puritanical place in terms of livability, though. It was a great, normal little suburban neighborhood. A place where the kids got kicked out of the house after breakfast and stayed out, playing all day, until dusk.

We never feared playing anywhere in the neighborhood and baseball was a way of life.

Unfortunately, I don’t think that works in Ohio any longer.

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Zizzer-Zazzer-Zuzz's avatar

I'm sure some of them shook it.

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Joan the Dork's avatar

If they don't think it's possible to have sex without penetration, I feel 𝘥𝘦𝘦𝘱𝘭𝘺 sorry for their spouses, because those have to be some of 𝘵𝘩𝘦 most boring bedrooms on the planet.

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Whitney's avatar

That assumes they use their bedrooms for sex, and that they have sex with their spouses.

Considering the areas of the US that consume the most pornography, I somehow doubt both of those.

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

Nipple nipple nipple nipple! In the words of Jerry Seinfeld himself after viewing Elaine’s Xmas card, “I’m not sure and correct me if I’m wrong, but I think I see a NIPPLE.”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6ixLNE5x5l0

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Bensnewlogin's avatar

It’s the implication of two pees—so gay.

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

Gné ?

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Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

😱

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Sean's avatar

So, what they're saying is spanking the monkey to naked women during a business meeting instead of paying attention to your job is fine.

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ericc's avatar

Well thankfully the other board members don't seem to think it's fine, nor believe his excuses.

Walters seems to be going full lawyer joke. "I don't know how that got on there....also why are you believing this fake news" is just a variant of "my client was never there, he has an alibi...also, he shot in self-defense."

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Sean's avatar

Liberal hackers using their demonic powers of possession took over his computer to show the most mundane soft porn is the obvious explanation.

You know those email messages you get? The ones that secretly took over your webcam and recorded you doing sick things while watching porn and are threatening to send it to your family and friends? This is why you pay them the bitcoins their demanding.

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Zizzer-Zazzer-Zuzz's avatar

"never heard of lesbian sex ?"

I have not, do you have any recommendations?

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

Mais bien sûr cher ami. Google Yuri and have fun.

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Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

Flame, aka Alicia Vickers, and of course, Sharon Mitchell.

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XJC's avatar

"I always knew he enjoyed fucking over the people of Oklahoma; I just didn’t think his downfall would involve watching it from the sidelines."

Hemant deserves a Pulitzer Prize for this line.

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Sean's avatar

The problem isn't the presence of naked women on his TV, nor 'batin' to them. It's shifting his shame to blaming others for his actions. "The Devil made me do it." I tried this with my dad. Entrapment was never a defense, my blistered butt can attest to the fact that I made the choice, I had to own it. It comes down to condemning others because you believe they are guilty of what you are doing.

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Joan the Dork's avatar

MAGA is nothing if not the cult of never taking responsibility for anything, 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳, no matter how obvious your guilt is.

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Sean's avatar

I have a t-shirt of Homer Simpson saying, "This is everybody's fault by mine."

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

If only Mike Johnson had your father growing up…there would only be a different MAGAT in his place…sigh.

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avis piscivorus's avatar

Walters is a victim of evil satanic atheist hackers who tried to ruin the reputation of a good christian man and sabotage his efforts to bring jesus and the bible back to public schools.

! ! ! P E R S E C U T I O N ! ! !

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Maltnothops's avatar

True. Also: “Hey! Look over there!”

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Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

🐿

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

And while you're at it, I've got this real swell theme park in Florida I'd like to sell you!

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Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

🐊🐊🐊

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andrea's avatar

The jesus freaks are so predictable.

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Tinker's avatar

𝐵𝑢𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒’𝑠 𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑎𝑏𝑜𝑢𝑡 𝑊𝑎𝑙𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑠 𝑤𝑒 𝑗𝑢𝑠𝑡 𝑙𝑒𝑎𝑟𝑛𝑒𝑑 𝑦𝑒𝑠𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑑𝑎𝑦: 𝐻𝑒 𝑒𝑛𝑗𝑜𝑦𝑠 𝑤𝑎𝑡𝑐ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑝𝑜𝑟𝑛 𝑎𝑡 𝑤𝑜𝑟𝑘.

He's a MAGA, Christian, nationalist. We already knew.

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John Smith's avatar

That includes hypocrisy, lying, arrogance, selfishness, self-righteous, loudmouth, lack of empathy, lack of respect for others, lack of critical thinking skills, lack of introspection, etc.

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Maltnothops's avatar

Jeez, we haven’t got all day. We need a word — a single word — that captures all of that to describe him and people like him.

I don’t have that word but I’m thinking.

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Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

Consewertive.

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Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

Repubelican

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Republicon.

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

This one has an advantage, it works in French too.

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larry parker's avatar

Trumpian.

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Rhiannon's avatar

Hypochristian.

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Zizzer-Zazzer-Zuzz's avatar

Mother-fucking-fuckity-fuck-face-fuckers.

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Mommadillo's avatar

Multiple nude women + “chiropractor table” + ‘60s/‘70s vibe = he’s DEFINITELY watching porn, the kinky stuff. Pegging. BDSM. Medical play. He’s a perv, guaranteed.

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Walt Svirsky's avatar

We should have presumed he was a MAGAT with zero moral character…wait!…we did!

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Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

And just how does that woman know these things‽‽‽

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Richard Wade's avatar

Just last night, a newscaster reporting on the Trump-Epstein Comedy Hour suggested that we drop the term "Streisand Effect," and adopt the term "Trump Effect" to refer to the same effect of someone saying "Don't look at that, there's nothing to see there," but the attention is simply intensified.

Mr. Walters can be described as suffering from the "Trump Effect."

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Zizzer-Zazzer-Zuzz's avatar

I think the term is already taken. It's when you touch something and it turns to absolute shit.

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larry parker's avatar

I think that's a Musk.

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