A spooky, family-friendly holiday market in Ventura, CA is under fire from clergy who insist a pun on Christmas is a “grave threat" to their "spiritual health.”
I was just about to say something similar! Poor, poor christians got their feels all hurt AGAIN because someone wants to do something that doesn't comport with their delusion. It's hilarious! 😂😂😂
My family had a cousin that we always knew as Skip growing up. He passed away a few years ago and from his obituary we found out his given name was...Skipper :^)
They didn't even spell her name right! It's Hochberg-Miller.
As a self-described "leader in the Ventura interfaith community" why TF is she carrying water for a bunch of God-bothering Catholic priests who want to shut down an actual interfaith holiday market?
Or don't pagans get a place under that smug self-satisfied "interfaith" umbrella?
Given the fraudulent behavior of nearly 200 Catholic dioceses in the US, along with other Catholic institutions with over $10B in assets, that claimed to be a "small business" to receive over THREE BILLION in PPP Covid assistance loans - which they didn't need to pay back - and then using those taxpayer-based funds to pay off its sexual assault settlement damages, I put nothing past any of its minions.
From my current location in Buffalo, I 90 to the Cleveland area, I 271 south to i 71, to Columbus, I 270 around to I 70 west to St Louis, I 44 to Oklahoma City, I 40 west to Barstow, I 15 s to Riverside, I 10 west to Los Angeles, then north on the 101. About a 3 day drive.
Don’t count on it. I was once driving the 405N (another hellscape fwy) at 2am thinking that……until I ran into a jack-knifed big rig that was on both sides of the freeway. What should have been a 20 minute drive at that hour took me forever. And yes, I got off the freeway and took streets but everyone else had the same thought.
Xtian snowflakes want to force their dogma on everyone else. Christmas is a pilfered holiday, stolen from pagans. If you don't like Gothmas, stay the fuck home.
Umm, the First Amendment still prohibits the enforcement of blasphemy laws. Even it the event 𝘄𝗮𝘀 a deliberate offense to Christianity, it is still allowed.
Because that is what they want. They want the government to enforce religious rules as well as secular rules. In their letter, the pearl clutchers try do misdirect by invoking a pork barbecue event with a Jewish or Islamic holy day attached, claiming that wouldn't be allowed therefore the government must bow to Christianity. I think there needs to be such an event to show them how absurd Christian Fucking Privilege is. Even to the point of having a follow up event mocking paganism, Satanism, and atheism in the name of Christianity. Let them be as nasty as they want with their mockery. Let the general public decide who is actually disrespectful. And then point out to them that public disrespect is allowed by the same First Amendment rights that allows them to clutch their pearls today.
Xtians complained about Harry Potter, which contained a wizards duel. They oh-so-conveniently forgot that Moses' brother Aaron fought a wizards duel against Pharaoh's court magicians in Exodus.
I've read every single religious text I could get my hands on. Why? Curiosity. I'm sure you'd find it interesting that I've gone toe to toe with "Bible educated" Christians quoting the Bible. The only one they throw at me is John 3:16. My answer? "You mean the one that says "for God so loved the world that he gave is only begotten son…". Yeah, I can play that tune, too. I have perfectly lovely Christian, Muslim, Jewish, pagan, wiccan, agnostic, atheist and Buddhist, etc, friends and family. We can play together very nicely, thank you, without all the "my religion is better than your religion or the lack thereof".
You have greater chance of seeing Chewbacca the Wookiee rampaging in downtown New York City than a Christian reading the bible (even the comic book version).
Well I was raised a baptist and I wanted to see how close the baptist faith was to what was in it. Nothing, the baptist faith, like every other faith, is a scam. The truth to me is what I can actually see. Getting raped by a baptist preacher at 14 turned me into an atheist, along with all the nonsense in that book
Oh, gee! A bunch of CHRISTIANS are all OFFENDED because of this Merry Gothmas business. They're VERY UPSET because their precious holiday has been modified or otherwise messed with and they don't like it at all, no they don't.
To quote Stephen Fry, "Well SO FUCKING WHAT???" There's an organization sponsoring Merry Gothmas, there are vendors expecting to make a few bucks here and there, and there are participants who are looking to have fun, yet a bunch of spoilsport Christians want to pee on their corn flakes because Merry Gothmas offends them.
Someone needs to grow up. Just who that is is left as an exercise for the student.
Who wants to tell them about the Pagan Origins of Christmas. Most of these are Catholic, with one Jewish Rabbi as signers to that letter. If these so called 'moral leaders' of Ventura County do not like this, then don't fucking go! Stay home! Have your church do something else. Just stop this goddamned meddling in other people's lives
Sounds about white. They’re also the same dickheads screaming about immigration. “We don’t want no Mexicans in our country!” Nevermind that the people they stole this country from were sent to Mexico (if they survived the trail of tears) and the people from Mexico and Central America have more of a claim to this country than any white person. Anyway, they don’t want the people they steal shit from to be able to reclaim it. That’s the motivation here, the racism is based on this to an extent.
Someone needs to remind the Jesusfuckers that they don’t own any part of the calendar, and other people can express the views (in the form of gothmas) as well.
Christians seem to think that any space they walk into they own it, and they (they alone) can dictate how the space will be used. Christians also demand that everyone else accommodate to their demands (beliefs, feelings, rules). Yet, theses same Christians refuse even to acknowledge the views of anyone else (much less accommodate someone else) and unwilling to accept the fact that others have the same rights as Christians!
Unfortunately, the Christians are politically powerful at the moment; the Christians don’t have the numbers but still have an impact in politics (especially in the United States).
Fine. Let 'em joust with the Freedom From Religion Foundation, Americans United, and American Atheists (among others!). Those Christian idiots wind up in the "L" column, considerably more often than not.
Does Hemant theHeathen have no pity pf poor little me? Holy Saint Snowflake!!!! It’s 6;45 in the god-blessed morning, fer chrissakes.
First, Christmas is the season. It’s also a Christian holiday. It used to be the other way around .So is all souls day and all Saints eve. Did you hear the one where a woman ate an apple at the Behest of a snake and damned all of humanity for eternity?
Second, very few people celebrate mass anymore. In fact, Christians used to argue with other Christians over the celebration of a mass, usually by mass murder.
Third, when they weren’t doing that, they were murdering each other over whether God wanted Hymn #666 sung in French or Latin, or whether the mass should be in English or Latin. For an example of how silly this is, Jesus was not known to speak either language. So I’m told that he frequently speaks Mexican, in fact.
Fourth, And about that nice Jewish lady that’s hanging out with these not so nice Christians. Do they know that she rejects the very notion that God ever had a son, let alone rejecting believing in the son, whatever that might mean.
Fifth, Christians frequently eat their God. So why are they upset about the possibility of a pork barbecue? Of course they’re not upset about a pork barbecue. This Jew was having bacon this morning so it doesn’t upset me. And Muslims most likely would not go to a pork barbecue. They might be slightly offended if somebody did throw a pork barbecue, I think that that person was a racist and anti-Muslim bigot. But who would be throwing that pork barbecue?
It might be…wait for it…christians.
Now, if the festival organizer said “let’s sacrifice a Christian or a Jew or 10 to Yahweh as a celebration of Gothmass’”, or possibly engaged in that lovely Christian past time of witch burning, they might have a point.
But they are not.
These people are tedious and boring. I wonder if they spent the same energy feeding their neighbors.
That is what I have read about them, and I know their fetus fetish is inaccurate, having been a surgical assistant who assisted on those types of cases.
Dolores and the Umbriges don't own christmas, which is both a religious and, in the U.S, mostly secular holiday. Nobody is forcing the Umbriges or any member of their congregations to attend - if they don't like fun, they're free to sit home alone and be miserable. And, most importantly, if all it takes to shake your faith is some non-denominational group holding a playful goth art fair, they're not the problem - your weak faith is. Fix yourselves, you bunch of miserable, whingeing jackasses.
Do these self-righteous assclowns ever think to do what their alleged messiah told them to do about feeding, clothing and housing the poor? Perhaps they shoud direct their energies to THAT.
To snowflake xtians:
Aside from the fact that you purloined xmas from pagans, you do NOT own the holidays. Grow the fuck up.
This is what I was thinking when I was reading this post! So silly!
I was just about to say something similar! Poor, poor christians got their feels all hurt AGAIN because someone wants to do something that doesn't comport with their delusion. It's hilarious! 😂😂😂
I wanna know why a rabbi is signing up to make sure Christ's pure message perseveres amidst the pumpkins.
Also, "Reverend Skip" will never not be point-and-laugh funny.
My family had a cousin that we always knew as Skip growing up. He passed away a few years ago and from his obituary we found out his given name was...Skipper :^)
Did everyone else in your family hate him, or was it only just his parents, Muffy and Scooter?
𝐺𝑖𝑙𝑙𝑖𝑔𝑎𝑛'𝑠 𝐼𝑠𝑙𝑎𝑛𝑑 fans?
That rabbi is a real outlier, eh?
They didn't even spell her name right! It's Hochberg-Miller.
As a self-described "leader in the Ventura interfaith community" why TF is she carrying water for a bunch of God-bothering Catholic priests who want to shut down an actual interfaith holiday market?
Or don't pagans get a place under that smug self-satisfied "interfaith" umbrella?
Anytime taking bets on the fact that they added the rabbi's name without the rabbi's knowledge?
Given the fraudulent behavior of nearly 200 Catholic dioceses in the US, along with other Catholic institutions with over $10B in assets, that claimed to be a "small business" to receive over THREE BILLION in PPP Covid assistance loans - which they didn't need to pay back - and then using those taxpayer-based funds to pay off its sexual assault settlement damages, I put nothing past any of its minions.
They were silent about “Jesusween”.
Probably rendered speechless. 😂
yes,agreed 100%...p.s. xstains..GET A LIFE !! lol
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
I have to admit this article was very difficult to read, over the sounds of me furiously Googling how to get to Ventura, California.
From my current location in Buffalo, I 90 to the Cleveland area, I 271 south to i 71, to Columbus, I 270 around to I 70 west to St Louis, I 44 to Oklahoma City, I 40 west to Barstow, I 15 s to Riverside, I 10 west to Los Angeles, then north on the 101. About a 3 day drive.
We got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.
Hit it.
Thank you, Elwood.
As an aside, I hate Iowa Nazis. 😉
Oh, are they even worse than Missouri Nazis?
Lol!😂
Amazing. Ok, so all I have to do is take 94 to Chicago, then 90 to Buffalo, and then I'm all set to follow your directions. I'm excited.
Take the train and let somebody else do the driving👍
Ha! Once you hit the 10W, good luck! Between that and the 101N add several more hours. :D
Not at 3 am.
Don’t count on it. I was once driving the 405N (another hellscape fwy) at 2am thinking that……until I ran into a jack-knifed big rig that was on both sides of the freeway. What should have been a 20 minute drive at that hour took me forever. And yes, I got off the freeway and took streets but everyone else had the same thought.
I live near Cleveland. Can you pick me up on the way?
Take the Ventura Highway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnV7dTXlXxs
The days are longer, the nights are stronger than moonshine.
You're gonna go, I know......
I was always worried about those alligator lizards in the air.
Yeah, gotta watch where you park, they perch in the trees and poop like geese.
Right??
Love it. After this, I'll be searching how to buy tickets. Definitely going NOW, knowing it'll piss off a bunch of churchy bigots.
Ventura Highway
I wish those priests got that angry over child rape in their churches.
They have their priorities, after all. *rolls eyes*
Yes!!! Well done!!!
Xtian snowflakes want to force their dogma on everyone else. Christmas is a pilfered holiday, stolen from pagans. If you don't like Gothmas, stay the fuck home.
The snowman poster is awesome art!
It's snowing in Cali! It's a Gothmas miracle! 🕸️❄️🕸️
𝑊𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑢𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑟𝑠𝑖𝑔𝑛𝑒𝑑 𝑑𝑒𝑚𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑖𝑚𝑚𝑒𝑑𝑖𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝑐𝑎𝑛𝑐𝑒𝑙𝑙𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑎𝑏𝑜𝑣𝑒 𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑛𝑡, 𝑜𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑔𝑟𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑑𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑖𝑡 𝑖𝑠 𝑎 𝑠𝑒𝑟𝑖𝑜𝑢𝑠 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑑𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑏𝑒𝑟𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝑜𝑓𝑓𝑒𝑛𝑠𝑒 𝑡𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑖𝑛𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑡𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑎𝑛 𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑚𝑢𝑛𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑠𝑦𝑚𝑝𝑎𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑡𝑖𝑐 𝑜𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑠𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑠 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑏𝑟𝑜𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑓𝑎𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑜𝑓 𝑉𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑎 𝐶𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑡𝑦.
Umm, the First Amendment still prohibits the enforcement of blasphemy laws. Even it the event 𝘄𝗮𝘀 a deliberate offense to Christianity, it is still allowed.
𝑅𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑔𝑖𝑜𝑢𝑠 𝑓𝑟𝑒𝑒𝑑𝑜𝑚 𝑜𝑛𝑙𝑦 𝑎𝑝𝑝𝑙𝑖𝑒𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑜𝑠𝑒 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑐𝑒𝑙𝑒𝑏𝑟𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑚𝑎𝑠 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑔𝑖𝑜𝑢𝑠 𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑠𝑜𝑛𝑠, 𝑖𝑡 𝑠𝑒𝑒𝑚𝑠.
Because that is what they want. They want the government to enforce religious rules as well as secular rules. In their letter, the pearl clutchers try do misdirect by invoking a pork barbecue event with a Jewish or Islamic holy day attached, claiming that wouldn't be allowed therefore the government must bow to Christianity. I think there needs to be such an event to show them how absurd Christian Fucking Privilege is. Even to the point of having a follow up event mocking paganism, Satanism, and atheism in the name of Christianity. Let them be as nasty as they want with their mockery. Let the general public decide who is actually disrespectful. And then point out to them that public disrespect is allowed by the same First Amendment rights that allows them to clutch their pearls today.
I will celebrate Gothmas in Florida!
I'm there with ya!!
Yes, it looks awesome.
I’m in ! I’m done with it anyway.
Saturnalia is important too!
YES!
You have a lot more faith in the "general public" than I Gunga Din...
Occult (noun) - supernatural, mystical or magical beliefs, practices, or phenomena.
Pretty sure that fits the entire Bible to a Tee.
Xtians complained about Harry Potter, which contained a wizards duel. They oh-so-conveniently forgot that Moses' brother Aaron fought a wizards duel against Pharaoh's court magicians in Exodus.
As if Christian’s actually read the bible, won’t hold my breath on that!
I've read every single religious text I could get my hands on. Why? Curiosity. I'm sure you'd find it interesting that I've gone toe to toe with "Bible educated" Christians quoting the Bible. The only one they throw at me is John 3:16. My answer? "You mean the one that says "for God so loved the world that he gave is only begotten son…". Yeah, I can play that tune, too. I have perfectly lovely Christian, Muslim, Jewish, pagan, wiccan, agnostic, atheist and Buddhist, etc, friends and family. We can play together very nicely, thank you, without all the "my religion is better than your religion or the lack thereof".
I could never. I have found it so absurd, unbelievable & really boring!
I'd be happy if they'd just crack the comic book version.
You have greater chance of seeing Chewbacca the Wookiee rampaging in downtown New York City than a Christian reading the bible (even the comic book version).
And after all the trouble that William Tyndale went to! Strangled and burnt all for nothing, tsk.
Agreed!!!
You have to follow the right supernatural, mystical or magical beliefs, practices, or phenomena.
No actually the bible is a fairytale book. god and jesus are nothing but fairytale characters. They’ve never proven their existence to me
Just because it is a fairytale, does that mean it does not contain truth.
Fairytales persist because they speak to higher truth.
And if we believe they are meant only for children, we are foolish children ourselves.
No I don't believe it contains any truths at all. I have read it completely 3 times and have came out the same conclusion, NO TRUTHS!!!
Interesting. What compelled you to read it that many times? And what to you is truth?
Well I was raised a baptist and I wanted to see how close the baptist faith was to what was in it. Nothing, the baptist faith, like every other faith, is a scam. The truth to me is what I can actually see. Getting raped by a baptist preacher at 14 turned me into an atheist, along with all the nonsense in that book
That is awful. And only too common. I appreciate your honesty, and wish you nothing but love, peace and healing.
Oh, gee! A bunch of CHRISTIANS are all OFFENDED because of this Merry Gothmas business. They're VERY UPSET because their precious holiday has been modified or otherwise messed with and they don't like it at all, no they don't.
To quote Stephen Fry, "Well SO FUCKING WHAT???" There's an organization sponsoring Merry Gothmas, there are vendors expecting to make a few bucks here and there, and there are participants who are looking to have fun, yet a bunch of spoilsport Christians want to pee on their corn flakes because Merry Gothmas offends them.
Someone needs to grow up. Just who that is is left as an exercise for the student.
Probably the same assholes trying to kill Halloween.
It's the annual war on Gothmas!
They don't even allow you to say it anymore in the checkout line at Target.
Who wants to tell them about the Pagan Origins of Christmas. Most of these are Catholic, with one Jewish Rabbi as signers to that letter. If these so called 'moral leaders' of Ventura County do not like this, then don't fucking go! Stay home! Have your church do something else. Just stop this goddamned meddling in other people's lives
"Merry Gothmas doesn’t diminish Christianity."
These christian Karens are already doing that.
Don't steal our stolen holiday. - Clergyflakes
Sounds about white. They’re also the same dickheads screaming about immigration. “We don’t want no Mexicans in our country!” Nevermind that the people they stole this country from were sent to Mexico (if they survived the trail of tears) and the people from Mexico and Central America have more of a claim to this country than any white person. Anyway, they don’t want the people they steal shit from to be able to reclaim it. That’s the motivation here, the racism is based on this to an extent.
They seem to forget that CA was a part of Mexico until the US stole it.
Someone needs to remind the Jesusfuckers that they don’t own any part of the calendar, and other people can express the views (in the form of gothmas) as well.
Christians seem to think that any space they walk into they own it, and they (they alone) can dictate how the space will be used. Christians also demand that everyone else accommodate to their demands (beliefs, feelings, rules). Yet, theses same Christians refuse even to acknowledge the views of anyone else (much less accommodate someone else) and unwilling to accept the fact that others have the same rights as Christians!
A calendar where not a single day of the week or month of the year is named after their deity, its son or that halo-wearing pigeon.
Christians act as though they are still in the majority. They're not.
Especially in SoCal. I would love to support the event.
Unfortunately, the Christians are politically powerful at the moment; the Christians don’t have the numbers but still have an impact in politics (especially in the United States).
Fine. Let 'em joust with the Freedom From Religion Foundation, Americans United, and American Atheists (among others!). Those Christian idiots wind up in the "L" column, considerably more often than not.
I blame that racist fucker Reagan, he invited them into his party.
Does Hemant theHeathen have no pity pf poor little me? Holy Saint Snowflake!!!! It’s 6;45 in the god-blessed morning, fer chrissakes.
First, Christmas is the season. It’s also a Christian holiday. It used to be the other way around .So is all souls day and all Saints eve. Did you hear the one where a woman ate an apple at the Behest of a snake and damned all of humanity for eternity?
Second, very few people celebrate mass anymore. In fact, Christians used to argue with other Christians over the celebration of a mass, usually by mass murder.
Third, when they weren’t doing that, they were murdering each other over whether God wanted Hymn #666 sung in French or Latin, or whether the mass should be in English or Latin. For an example of how silly this is, Jesus was not known to speak either language. So I’m told that he frequently speaks Mexican, in fact.
Fourth, And about that nice Jewish lady that’s hanging out with these not so nice Christians. Do they know that she rejects the very notion that God ever had a son, let alone rejecting believing in the son, whatever that might mean.
Fifth, Christians frequently eat their God. So why are they upset about the possibility of a pork barbecue? Of course they’re not upset about a pork barbecue. This Jew was having bacon this morning so it doesn’t upset me. And Muslims most likely would not go to a pork barbecue. They might be slightly offended if somebody did throw a pork barbecue, I think that that person was a racist and anti-Muslim bigot. But who would be throwing that pork barbecue?
It might be…wait for it…christians.
Now, if the festival organizer said “let’s sacrifice a Christian or a Jew or 10 to Yahweh as a celebration of Gothmass’”, or possibly engaged in that lovely Christian past time of witch burning, they might have a point.
But they are not.
These people are tedious and boring. I wonder if they spent the same energy feeding their neighbors.
Last time I saw her, my very Muslim doctor confessed being fond of baba au rhum.
Don't cry
Don't raise your eye
It's only teenage wasteland
So she eats Christian babies? I think that’s what that means.
PS what about those Christian Hell houses? What about them?
More of their abortion fetish stuff.
It wouldn’t surprise me
That is what I have read about them, and I know their fetus fetish is inaccurate, having been a surgical assistant who assisted on those types of cases.
How many of you have heard of Jews or Muslims protesting Ribfests?
Good point!
I am sure Muslims and Jews families go to "Fête des loges", known for its rides and roasted piglets stalls.
Ot McDonald's "McRib" sandwich on religious grounds?
I just googled "Gothmas California", the festival comes second. The first result is Friendly Atheist 🤣
Dolores and the Umbriges don't own christmas, which is both a religious and, in the U.S, mostly secular holiday. Nobody is forcing the Umbriges or any member of their congregations to attend - if they don't like fun, they're free to sit home alone and be miserable. And, most importantly, if all it takes to shake your faith is some non-denominational group holding a playful goth art fair, they're not the problem - your weak faith is. Fix yourselves, you bunch of miserable, whingeing jackasses.
Do these self-righteous assclowns ever think to do what their alleged messiah told them to do about feeding, clothing and housing the poor? Perhaps they shoud direct their energies to THAT.
They are too busy hiding the pedophiles that make up their ranks.
Fact.
Get out of here with your rationality and common sense!
Sorry. Don't know what came over me. ;)
Things xtians are offended by:
Other peoples' choices
Bodily autonomy
Who other people love
Harry Potter
Who uses which bathroom (never mind their own home bathrooms are gender fucking neutral)
Science
Things xtians are NOT offended by:
Poverty
Hunger
Child rape committed by their fellow cult members
Orange pedophiles
Genocide
People losing access to healthcare
Lying
And hypocrisy.
That's a christain sacrament.
Amongst the things Xtians are offended by ....