Although you may think that installing large statues of religious icons at the public safety building is acceptable, it is a violation of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. Last I checked, Quincy is a city in Massachusetts, one of those United States. Your claim that the statues "transcend religion" is false. You have publicly stated that St Michael is a figure in all three Abrahamic faiths, as though that makes it ok. It does not. Not everyone in your city is Christian. Not everyone there is Jewish. Not everyone there is Muslim. There are citizens of Quincy who practice faiths outside of those three, and there are citizens of no fatih at all.
Perhaps you would understand how egregious this constitutional violation is if The Satanic Temple brought their Baphomet statue to join these. Their headquarters is not very far from you, shall I contact them on your behalf?
Oh, do it! Mayor Koch needs something eye-opening, and I am afraid logic and reasoned arguments will not be efficacious here. Koch is far too blinded by his unthinking faith. Only Baphomet can shock him out of his comfortable faith-trance long enough to consider his actions from another POV.
I asked Siri “what are the origins of the word ‘religion’”? This is what Siri had to say. (I knew he would. He’s a cute Irish boy and we are always in agreement). “ The word 'religion' originates from the Latin 'religio' and 'religare', suggesting a binding respect for the sacred. It has evolved to describe belief systems and practices that are deeply intertwined with culture, reflecting shared values and communal experiences.
So religion is a word that refers to the ties that bind people together. And yet, more and more, religion seems to be something that divides people from each other. It’s not enough for you to have your religion, but I must have it too. It’s not enough that you get tax breaks for your religion, but I must support them While you are insisting that I must share your religion with you.
I still remember the dialogue in high school French where the word 'église' was introduced:
"Ah, Monsieur - Y a-t-il un hotel près d'ici. Oui, mademoiselle , il y'a en face de l'église." Forgive me if I got the accents wrong - it has been 57 years.
Religion is always seeking to advance the in-group over the out-group. If you don't religiously hold your butt just right, then you are a bad person and need to be excluded. And, you're gonna go to Hell, too! (no proof that anyone ever goes to Hell is ever offered.)
But not just excluded, but those who aren't part of the religious) are expected to financially support religion, usually christian in the U.S. Koch and those like him in positions of power are nothing more than criminals. malfeasance /malˈfiːzns/
noun Law wrongdoing, especially (US) by a public official.
(ii) classical Latin religiōn-, religiō supernatural feeling of constraint, usually having the force of a prohibition or impediment, that which is prohibited, taboo, positive obligation, rule, impediment to action proceeding from religious awe or conscience, scruple, manifestation of divine sanction, religious fear, awe, religious feeling, superstition, quality evoking awe or reverence, sanctity, religious observance, religious practice, ritual, particular system of religious observance, cult, conscientiousness, in post-classical Latin also monastic community (8th cent.), religious order, rule observed by a religious order (12th cent.) < re- re- prefix + a second element of uncertain origin; by Cicero connected with relegere to read over again (see relection n.), so that the supposed original sense of ‘religion’ would have been ‘painstaking observance of rites’, but by later authors (especially by early Christian writers) with religāre religate v., ‘religion’ being taken as ‘that which ties believers to God’. Each view finds supporters among modern scholars.
Blech I'd prefer Minton's 'The Runaway' statue over an unused meditation room.
But that's not for me to say. Both alternatives - and neither - should ultimately be up for counselors to vote on in open session, after the costs have been made publicly available.
Mayor Koch? When the First Amendment says: "Congress shall make no law regarding an establishment of religion," that INCLUDES STATUARY! On top of which, you're spending close to a million dollars on what amounts to DECORATION. That same money could go to equipping and/or training your officers, or simply funding their salaries for a goodly period. You seem to think that it's not a problem, but then, you are thinking as a Catholic.
You SHOULD be thinking as a secular governmental official who needs to be able to serve ALL the citizens of Quincy, regardless of belief or lack thereof, EQUALLY. Do us all a favor and give that some serious thought!
N'en déplaise aux puristes* who have no idea how a language works, our respective languages borrowed** from each and from Latin since the early Middle-Ages. English borrowed "G" from French alphabet, and we borrowed your "w".
* Quebecois and academiciens.
** Among others languages, such as Chinese and Arab.
"This was someone trying to embarrass us, which I don't appreciate. The council should not be put in a position, whether by the mayor's office or by anyone who wanted to subvert this, where we appear uninformed."
Were you uninformed or are hiding the fact that you knew about the illegal statues? Either way, you should be embarrassed.
St. Michael stepping on a neck reminds me of some terrible incident in the not too distant past……I’m sure I’m not the only one. Who would feel comfortable going to a police station with that reminder? 🤔
Religious statues belong in a church or a museum. I’ve enjoyed viewing some religious artifacts in my travels but I don’t want them in my government buildings. It’s creepy and unwelcoming.
The *point* is to make suspects and the accused uncomfortable. At least, my guess is that's part of it. Thin blue line = angel and any joe public they go after can look forward to the devil treatment.
I believe I raised this question the last time we had an article about this misbegotten statuary, but... if there is some pressing need for statues to be built (a thing of which I remain thoroughly unconvinced), surely there must be first responders who've lost their lives in the line of duty, or who during their careers did some heroic deeds, who could be given that honor instead of characters from one particular Christian sect's mythology? Surely honoring public servants with ties to the community, who've done good for the community, makes more sense than venerating the idols of a religion founded a third of the way around the world, and centuries before Quincy, Massachusetts was so much as the inkling of a notion in its founder's hindbrain?
The depiction of Saint Florian above has a millstone in it, complete with a rope, probably suitable for tying around someone’s neck.
Now, it wasn’t it someone who is no longer important to modern Christianity that said something about millstones, necks, and oceans? It seems that this might apply very strongly to a good portion of the catholic priesthood.
The church spends a lot of money and time creating priests. They are not friendly to the idea of them sitting in prison, not making beaucoup bucks for mother church.
This is about first responders? Really? If he really wanted to protect the first responders he would have increased funding for body armor, bodycams, and firefightng equipment, as well as upgrading ambulances. Transcend religion? Only in the 12th century when Catholicism was mandatory.
Koch's first responders are all Catholic? That's one hell of an assumption, Tommy. You sure there are no Baptists or Methodists or Congregationalists in there. A Jew or an atheist, maybe? Whether there are or not, your publicly funded place of work is NO PLACE for your own expression of belief. I've said this before:
Pretty sure even Catholic citizens would find the Michael statue oppressive, negative, and authoritarian, if they are accused of a crime and being marched through the building on their way to an interview or proceeding. It screams "This is what's coming to you." Should be obvious to anyone being brought through in handcuffs that if the state sees the officer behind them as the angel, then the state sees them as the devil.
Which is probably the point of the statue: to intimidate. To get the accused to comply rather than fight for their rights, by giving them a visual representation of what will symbolically be done to them if they resist. Conservativism is far more interested in punishment over protect and serve. But Koch won't say that bit out loud.
I honestly *like* the statue as a piece of art, in a church. I've seen several variants in cathedrals which I thought were really cool as religious art. It's simply that it doesn't belong in a US public building because of the message it sends about church/state...and it *especially* sends a bad message in a police facility.
Earlier than that. Catholicsm (Nicene Christianty) was made the state religion of Rome by Theodosius I in 380 CE. If you were any other type of Christian at that time, you were up shit creek in the eyes of the law. Your rights were forfeited and your property seized.
I am sorry to nitpick, but it was Visigoth Spain. The Gauls were converted to Arianism Christianity. That version of Christianity was declared heretical by the church.
Sent to the Mayor:
Mayor Koch:
Although you may think that installing large statues of religious icons at the public safety building is acceptable, it is a violation of the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. Last I checked, Quincy is a city in Massachusetts, one of those United States. Your claim that the statues "transcend religion" is false. You have publicly stated that St Michael is a figure in all three Abrahamic faiths, as though that makes it ok. It does not. Not everyone in your city is Christian. Not everyone there is Jewish. Not everyone there is Muslim. There are citizens of Quincy who practice faiths outside of those three, and there are citizens of no fatih at all.
Perhaps you would understand how egregious this constitutional violation is if The Satanic Temple brought their Baphomet statue to join these. Their headquarters is not very far from you, shall I contact them on your behalf?
Chiche.
Oh, do it! Mayor Koch needs something eye-opening, and I am afraid logic and reasoned arguments will not be efficacious here. Koch is far too blinded by his unthinking faith. Only Baphomet can shock him out of his comfortable faith-trance long enough to consider his actions from another POV.
Put "In Baphomet We Trust" next to In "God We Trust" on all United States currency.
Embarrassing and pure entertainment.
Religion, George Carlin was right!
Thanks
Sue Quincy and Koch into into penury for their attempts to piss on church-state separation.
Quincy's the home of Dunkin', right? May this lawsuit be a slam dunk.
Yet again, it is time for people like Koch to be PERSONALLY liable for their BS when they pretty obviously knew that what they were doing is illegal.
If these idiots were hit in their own wallets, the tune they'd be singing would be WAY DIFFERENT!
It’s very funny about this.
I asked Siri “what are the origins of the word ‘religion’”? This is what Siri had to say. (I knew he would. He’s a cute Irish boy and we are always in agreement). “ The word 'religion' originates from the Latin 'religio' and 'religare', suggesting a binding respect for the sacred. It has evolved to describe belief systems and practices that are deeply intertwined with culture, reflecting shared values and communal experiences.
So religion is a word that refers to the ties that bind people together. And yet, more and more, religion seems to be something that divides people from each other. It’s not enough for you to have your religion, but I must have it too. It’s not enough that you get tax breaks for your religion, but I must support them While you are insisting that I must share your religion with you.
It’s only 6:30, and I’m already annoyed.
It's the same with église (church), the original word "Ecclesia" meant an assembly of people, it was not specifically religious.
I still remember the dialogue in high school French where the word 'église' was introduced:
"Ah, Monsieur - Y a-t-il un hotel près d'ici. Oui, mademoiselle , il y'a en face de l'église." Forgive me if I got the accents wrong - it has been 57 years.
The accents are the correct ones and at the right place 👍
"Y a-t-il" is currently spelled "y'a t'il" (don't fret, it's part of the normal evolution of a language).
You made only one minor mistake. You should have write "il y'en a un".
I memorized all those dialogues and never had occasion to use them. At least, I can still read a little of it.
Feel free to hit me.
Heavens, no! I appreciate all the bons mots English absconded from French with.
Religion is always seeking to advance the in-group over the out-group. If you don't religiously hold your butt just right, then you are a bad person and need to be excluded. And, you're gonna go to Hell, too! (no proof that anyone ever goes to Hell is ever offered.)
Just remember, God so loved the world that he threatened to burn you in hell forever if you don’t love him back
But not just excluded, but those who aren't part of the religious) are expected to financially support religion, usually christian in the U.S. Koch and those like him in positions of power are nothing more than criminals. malfeasance /malˈfiːzns/
noun Law wrongdoing, especially (US) by a public official.
Sacred wants me dead. Screw sacred.
Sacred also wants to think of itself as being above reproach. It isn't.
Besides, profane is far more fun & interesting.
Possibly, but the OED has another derivation:
(ii) classical Latin religiōn-, religiō supernatural feeling of constraint, usually having the force of a prohibition or impediment, that which is prohibited, taboo, positive obligation, rule, impediment to action proceeding from religious awe or conscience, scruple, manifestation of divine sanction, religious fear, awe, religious feeling, superstition, quality evoking awe or reverence, sanctity, religious observance, religious practice, ritual, particular system of religious observance, cult, conscientiousness, in post-classical Latin also monastic community (8th cent.), religious order, rule observed by a religious order (12th cent.) < re- re- prefix + a second element of uncertain origin; by Cicero connected with relegere to read over again (see relection n.), so that the supposed original sense of ‘religion’ would have been ‘painstaking observance of rites’, but by later authors (especially by early Christian writers) with religāre religate v., ‘religion’ being taken as ‘that which ties believers to God’. Each view finds supporters among modern scholars.
Oxford English Dictionary, “religion (n.), Etymology,” December 2024, https://doi.org/10.1093/OED/4617717718.
I prefer Cicero's derivation but the position is uncertain. It just seems more likely, or is that just me? Anyway, Siri v. OED: no contest.
"the supposed original sense of ‘religion’ would have been ‘painstaking observance of rites’"
Mine’s easier.😜😜😜😜😜😜
"Koch, a devout Catholic, pointed out that St. Michael is a figure common to Christianity, Islam and Judaism."
And all three religions he talks about are based on books that explicitely forbids to make images of such a figure.
And that figure is completely UNCOMMON to those of us who espouse no belief in a deity. Ol' Tommy never thought of that.
You are too kind. From his comments, it's clear he knows and doesn't care.
If that is in fact the case, then the ACLU and the FFRF will have no problem in rubbing his sorry nose in it!
There are some beautiful pieces of religiously themed art that have been crafted over the years. Buddhist, Islamic, Christian, Hindu, etc.
They do not belong at a police station.
They police should view themselves with humility. They are not agents of God or the divine. They are fallible men. They should act with great thought.
Let there be a general room to meditate or pray silently if need be. That allows for reflection without exclusion or pride.
"They should act with great thought."
Whew! Now THERE's a big ask!
It's a big ask to request that they act with any thought.
“They should act with great thought.”
And the smell of tires burning will be shared throughout the community.
I can hear the two remaining brain cells in the mayor/city council slamming each other trying to decide which one of them dies next.
Blech I'd prefer Minton's 'The Runaway' statue over an unused meditation room.
But that's not for me to say. Both alternatives - and neither - should ultimately be up for counselors to vote on in open session, after the costs have been made publicly available.
Mayor Koch? When the First Amendment says: "Congress shall make no law regarding an establishment of religion," that INCLUDES STATUARY! On top of which, you're spending close to a million dollars on what amounts to DECORATION. That same money could go to equipping and/or training your officers, or simply funding their salaries for a goodly period. You seem to think that it's not a problem, but then, you are thinking as a Catholic.
You SHOULD be thinking as a secular governmental official who needs to be able to serve ALL the citizens of Quincy, regardless of belief or lack thereof, EQUALLY. Do us all a favor and give that some serious thought!
"You continue to revise," Koch said. "The bottom line doesn't change."
Does that mean that you have taken $850,000 out of the building costs? How? What have you junked?
Just replacing some structural integrity parts with much cheaper duct tape in places where nobody will detect it, can save up to $850,000.
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A perfectly cromulent word, which I shall file away beside "indignorant" for its utility in describing wingnut assholes.
Indignorant works in French too.
Pretty sure we stole both of those words from you, anyway, based on the spelling. XD
N'en déplaise aux puristes* who have no idea how a language works, our respective languages borrowed** from each and from Latin since the early Middle-Ages. English borrowed "G" from French alphabet, and we borrowed your "w".
* Quebecois and academiciens.
** Among others languages, such as Chinese and Arab.
syn. KKKrister.
Councilman Asshole:
"This was someone trying to embarrass us, which I don't appreciate. The council should not be put in a position, whether by the mayor's office or by anyone who wanted to subvert this, where we appear uninformed."
Were you uninformed or are hiding the fact that you knew about the illegal statues? Either way, you should be embarrassed.
Also, very tRumpian.
The most damning part of Cain's quote was the bit you missed: "This wasn't meant to open up a discussion with the people who work in government"
Mr. Cain, the leak was *absolutely* meant to open up a discussion (of the public) with the people who work in government.
And it is shameful that one (likely more) of the city's councilmembers see this as a bad thing.
This douchebag doesn’t need any help embarrassing himself.
St. Michael stepping on a neck reminds me of some terrible incident in the not too distant past……I’m sure I’m not the only one. Who would feel comfortable going to a police station with that reminder? 🤔
Religious statues belong in a church or a museum. I’ve enjoyed viewing some religious artifacts in my travels but I don’t want them in my government buildings. It’s creepy and unwelcoming.
"𝘐𝘧 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘸𝘢𝘯𝘵 𝘢 𝘱𝘪𝘤𝘵𝘶𝘳𝘦 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘧𝘶𝘵𝘶𝘳𝘦, 𝘪𝘮𝘢𝘨𝘪𝘯𝘦 𝘢 𝘣𝘰𝘰𝘵 𝘴𝘵𝘢𝘮𝘱𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘰𝘯 𝘢 𝘩𝘶𝘮𝘢𝘯 𝘧𝘢𝘤𝘦— 𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳." - George Orwell, 1984.
The wielder of the boot is never on the right side.
...well, unless the boot-er and the boot-ee are engaging in a bit of consensual BDSM play, but in all 𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳 circumstances, the boot-er is the bad guy.
The *point* is to make suspects and the accused uncomfortable. At least, my guess is that's part of it. Thin blue line = angel and any joe public they go after can look forward to the devil treatment.
Sticks and stones ay break my bones. Imaginary beings cannot harm me.
Yes, part of it, but what about those reporting a crime? One look at that monstrosity and would someone possibly reconsider?
I believe I raised this question the last time we had an article about this misbegotten statuary, but... if there is some pressing need for statues to be built (a thing of which I remain thoroughly unconvinced), surely there must be first responders who've lost their lives in the line of duty, or who during their careers did some heroic deeds, who could be given that honor instead of characters from one particular Christian sect's mythology? Surely honoring public servants with ties to the community, who've done good for the community, makes more sense than venerating the idols of a religion founded a third of the way around the world, and centuries before Quincy, Massachusetts was so much as the inkling of a notion in its founder's hindbrain?
Don't you understand? If the city credits firefighters for firefighting and policemen for community service policing, the nones win!
Honor those who served ... damned straight!
You don't understand, worshipping real people is idolatry and strictly forbidden.
Ummm ... Donnie Dumb-Ass would like a word. Problem is, he's still trying to think of the word. But it's okay.
Give him time. He'll think of it ... eventually!
When he will have the concept of a plan ?
Ohhhh ... right around then ... plus or minus a bit.
It was the concept of an idea of a dream of a plan. The donuhld's brain never goes much beyond that.
Unless you’re Juche. Worship of gods is transferred to worship of the state leader.
I think TS and you missed the implied sarcasm. Saints are, allegedly, real persons.
Oh no, I got the snark. Was just saying. :)
Oh, I got it, too. Problem is that Donnie WOULDN'T ... though maybe if you tried REAL HARD. 😝
I almost forgot.
The depiction of Saint Florian above has a millstone in it, complete with a rope, probably suitable for tying around someone’s neck.
Now, it wasn’t it someone who is no longer important to modern Christianity that said something about millstones, necks, and oceans? It seems that this might apply very strongly to a good portion of the catholic priesthood.
Irony is not all that distant from real life.
The church spends a lot of money and time creating priests. They are not friendly to the idea of them sitting in prison, not making beaucoup bucks for mother church.
Of course.
Statue violates statute.
Statue has no legal stature.
"It seemed natural to do those images," he (da mayor) added.
You know what else is natural? Taking a huge steaming shit. Rather like you're proposing.
From Wikipedia: 𝐾𝑜𝑐ℎ ℎ𝑎𝑠 𝑗𝑢𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑓𝑖𝑒𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑡𝑎𝑡𝑢𝑒𝑠 𝑏𝑦 𝑠𝑎𝑦𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 “𝑡𝑟𝑎𝑛𝑠𝑐𝑒𝑛𝑑 𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑔𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑎𝑛𝑑 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑎 𝑑𝑒𝑒𝑝, 𝑙𝑜𝑛𝑔-ℎ𝑒𝑙𝑑 𝑠𝑦𝑚𝑏𝑜𝑙𝑖𝑐 𝑚𝑒𝑎𝑛𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑜𝑓 𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑡𝑒𝑐𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑜𝑢𝑟 𝑓𝑖𝑟𝑠𝑡 𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑝𝑜𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑟𝑠. 𝑇ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑖𝑠 𝑎𝑏𝑜𝑢𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑚.”
This is about first responders? Really? If he really wanted to protect the first responders he would have increased funding for body armor, bodycams, and firefightng equipment, as well as upgrading ambulances. Transcend religion? Only in the 12th century when Catholicism was mandatory.
Koch's first responders are all Catholic? That's one hell of an assumption, Tommy. You sure there are no Baptists or Methodists or Congregationalists in there. A Jew or an atheist, maybe? Whether there are or not, your publicly funded place of work is NO PLACE for your own expression of belief. I've said this before:
𝑊ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑦𝑜𝑢𝑟 𝐵𝑖𝑏𝑙𝑒 𝑜𝑟 𝑄𝑢𝑟𝑎𝑛 𝑜𝑟 𝐵ℎ𝑎𝑔𝑎𝑣𝑎𝑑 𝐺𝑖𝑡𝑎 𝑜𝑟 𝐵𝑜𝑜𝑘 𝑜𝑓 𝑀𝑜𝑟𝑚𝑜𝑛 𝑠𝑎𝑦𝑠 𝐻𝐴𝑆 𝑁𝑂 𝑃𝐿𝐴𝐶𝐸 ... 𝑏𝑒𝑐𝑎𝑢𝑠𝑒 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑏𝑒 𝑑𝑒𝑎𝑙𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑝𝑒𝑜𝑝𝑙𝑒 𝑤ℎ𝑜𝑠𝑒 𝑏𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑒𝑓𝑠 𝑚𝑎𝑦 𝑑𝑖𝑓𝑓𝑒𝑟 𝑓𝑟𝑜𝑚 𝑦𝑜𝑢𝑟𝑠 𝑜𝑟 𝑚𝑎𝑦 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑛𝑜 𝑏𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑒𝑓 𝑖𝑛 𝑎𝑛𝑦 𝑔𝑜𝑑 𝑎𝑡 𝑎𝑙𝑙. 𝐵𝑒𝑐𝑎𝑢𝑠𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑖𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑐𝑎𝑠𝑒, 𝑖𝑡 𝑖𝑠 𝑖𝑛𝑐𝑢𝑚𝑏𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑢𝑝𝑜𝑛 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑡𝑜 𝑟𝑒𝑚𝑎𝑖𝑛 𝑁𝐸𝑈𝑇𝑅𝐴𝐿.
-- me
Pretty sure even Catholic citizens would find the Michael statue oppressive, negative, and authoritarian, if they are accused of a crime and being marched through the building on their way to an interview or proceeding. It screams "This is what's coming to you." Should be obvious to anyone being brought through in handcuffs that if the state sees the officer behind them as the angel, then the state sees them as the devil.
Which is probably the point of the statue: to intimidate. To get the accused to comply rather than fight for their rights, by giving them a visual representation of what will symbolically be done to them if they resist. Conservativism is far more interested in punishment over protect and serve. But Koch won't say that bit out loud.
I honestly *like* the statue as a piece of art, in a church. I've seen several variants in cathedrals which I thought were really cool as religious art. It's simply that it doesn't belong in a US public building because of the message it sends about church/state...and it *especially* sends a bad message in a police facility.
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Earlier than that. Catholicsm (Nicene Christianty) was made the state religion of Rome by Theodosius I in 380 CE. If you were any other type of Christian at that time, you were up shit creek in the eyes of the law. Your rights were forfeited and your property seized.
When you weren't at war with the rest of the christianised Europe, like Wisigothic Spain was.
I am sorry to nitpick, but it was Visigoth Spain. The Gauls were converted to Arianism Christianity. That version of Christianity was declared heretical by the church.
You are right. I wrote it in Franglais. We spell it "Wisigoth" and "Wisigothique".
More horseshit spewing from the mouf’ of a self serving lunatic.
christainity transcend religion from all the traditions it "borrowed" from older faiths.
𝑇ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑟𝑒𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑐𝑙𝑖𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑠 “𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑝𝑟𝑎𝑐𝑡𝑖𝑐𝑒 𝑎 𝑣𝑎𝑟𝑖𝑒𝑡𝑦 𝑜𝑓 𝑓𝑎𝑖𝑡ℎ𝑠, 𝑖𝑛𝑐𝑙𝑢𝑑𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝐶𝑎𝑡ℎ𝑜𝑙𝑖𝑐𝑖𝑠𝑚...
You know you fucked up when Catholics are suing to stop the Catholic statues.
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Guess who’s rigging the next elections?
https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/rnc-intervenes-to-back-trump-anti-voting-order-claims-greater-voter-access-hurts-their-candidates/
Guess who's rigged elections for decades?
Biden's basement in Hillary's Clinton's laptop ?
https://i.imgflip.com/1ifvg5.jpg
That's why they're not worried about Joni's big fuck-up. They have the midterms in the bag.