It’s a Facebook link, sorry, I couldn’t find a decent link to just the image.
It’s the “4 Generation Fade
1) parents don’t make church a high priority for their kids
2) kids grow up & make it less of a priority for their kids
3) those kids grow up & make it no priority for their kids
4) those kids grow up w/ no concept of god
Priorities today impact generations”
They say this like it’s a bad thing. I’m proud I did it in three. My grandparents were devout and both my parents grew up in church often. My parents found excuses to avoid church when I was growing up, 1st generation fade. I dumped religion as an adult, 2nd generation. And my kids are completely godless, 3rd.
It’s good, more folks need to follow this path, maybe we can escape the grip of the far right if we don’t give them the tool of automatic religious respect and authority.
I got up half-an-hour later than I usually do. Had to multitask a lot of things. Didn't even have time to do the xword puzzles in my paper this morning. I'll do them while I listen to the season opener between the Kraken and the Golden Knights this evening.
I was still awake last night about 1:30 AM because I had to pick my son up from work. I had a great sleep after that until I woke up 5 hours later. Nothing much going on until the all Blacks versus Ireland on Saturday. That's a grudge match. And it's outside pool play so one side or the other will be knocked out.
Oppressed people resist with the tools they have. In America the black churches played a major role during the civil rights movement. In Poland, people used the Catholic Church to resist the communists. Communism in Poland went away, and a large part of why Poles attended church regularly went away as well. Their church attendance was more about political resistance than faith.
The same thing happened in Iran, where in the 1970s, mosques were pretty much the only place where people who opposed the Shah could organize. I remember having a bunch of friends who were Iranian students studying in the US at the time. They were mostly not happy about that situation, many of them were secular, but they acknowledged the reality. Most went back to Iran after 1979. Those that were religious mostly did ok. Some of those that weren't were disappeared and others fled the religious regime (again.) That's some of the context that most reports about Iran today are missing.
Worst is that church cynically used that as reason to get so much leeway from governament (offically as "giving back church stuff taken by communists"). There are tons of stories of church getting land for it's 1/100th of value and then selling it with gigantic income. Not mentioning all bulls**t going around Tadeusz Rydzyk teleevangelist and media mogul (who happen to be priest and monk... While behaving like neither).
The Catholic Church is driving people away. They insist on remaining in the medieval centuries, when their power was at a zenith and the state protected them against all other "heresies".
On that story the other day about the Louisiana school principal invoking god to discipline a young woman dancing at a private party-HE JUST ASKED FOR A PAID LEAVE OF ABSENCE THRU THE WHOLE SCHOOL YEAR. I guess he needs more time to work on his twerking skills. Fucking, goddamned, ugly, stupid christian pieces of shit. Goddamn them. BTW-I read a story that says that one of the principal's staff members daughters took the video of the girl dancing and that same girl got the scholarship that would have gone to the girl who was disciplined. Not sure if true or not but that's what I read.
The plot thickens...if that's true, it sure doesn't look good for that school administration as a whole. That would imply (although not prove, I realize) that people knew about Principal Nimrod's prudish anti-dancing obsession, and this maybe this daughter of a staff member was either put up to it or set out on her own to eliminate the competition.
Even if it's not true, it's just really, really bad optics.
Blessed be His Noodly Appendages. Also Birds Don't Exist!
Peut-être there is apathy. I mean after two millennia and still no payoff...of course folks get bored of the BS scam. In today's age of immediate gratification and constant failure by institutions...well tiktok isn't that boring (it's juvenile but not boring).
The evangelicals have been catching on to that trend for years. The ministers began eschewing their billowy frocks and shirts and ties for jeans and loud shirts to lure in the younger crowd. Rock bands came next and now you have:
Every bureaucracy ultimately becomes self serving. This 2000 year old one is no different. The Protestant ones despite relative youth are headed the same direction. The truth is trickling, sometimes gushing, out. Add to that the cognitive dissonance generated by the wealth gap between the clergy and the poor and needy they claim to serve. Is it any wonder people are drifting away from the churches? It helps to keep posting their failings to social media. Some of it is getting through.
Ha! This from the country which gave us Karol Wojtyla, a.k.a. Pope John Paul II. And the pattern of young people leading the way continues in Poland as well, which is utterly unsurprising. With the Church's close relationship with the Polish government, I wouldn't expect change to be quick or automatic at all, but a shift of this magnitude over a decade should be a wake-up call to EVERYONE, believers and nones alike. Both the RCC of Poland and its government should take serious note of this development and recognize its importance. Kids who reject religion may also find problems with a government that embraces that same belief system. Those in power could stand to look hard at the ties they have to the Roman Catholic Church and rethink some of them, if they want to maintain their position with the younger citizens of their country.
As for the Church? I would suggest they fasten their seat belts, because they are in for a bumpy ride. Maybe not immediately, but it's coming.
Omnipotent, omniscient Jesus seems to be having trouble getting people to believe he's real...and merciful. The Church's solution? Pray harder, and more often. And give us more money. More.
𝐼𝑓 𝑦𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑔𝑒𝑟 𝐶𝑎𝑡ℎ𝑜𝑙𝑖𝑐𝑠 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑤𝑎𝑙𝑘𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑎𝑤𝑎𝑦 𝑓𝑟𝑜𝑚 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐶ℎ𝑢𝑟𝑐ℎ, 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦’𝑟𝑒 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑦 𝑙𝑖𝑘𝑒𝑙𝑦 𝑡𝑜 𝑖𝑛𝑑𝑜𝑐𝑡𝑟𝑖𝑛𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑟 𝑜𝑤𝑛 𝑐ℎ𝑖𝑙𝑑𝑟𝑒𝑛 𝑖𝑛𝑡𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑓𝑎𝑖𝑡ℎ, 𝑤ℎ𝑖𝑐ℎ 𝑡𝑎𝑘𝑒𝑠 𝑎𝑤𝑎𝑦 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑚𝑜𝑠𝑡 𝑝𝑜𝑤𝑒𝑟𝑓𝑢𝑙 𝑤𝑒𝑎𝑝𝑜𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐶ℎ𝑢𝑟𝑐ℎ ℎ𝑎𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑘𝑒𝑒𝑝 𝑝𝑒𝑜𝑝𝑙𝑒 𝑖𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑓𝑜𝑙𝑑.
The kids are alright.
It's what happened with DM and me.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1534830836769348/permalink/3458910337694712/?mibextid=W9rl1R
It’s a Facebook link, sorry, I couldn’t find a decent link to just the image.
It’s the “4 Generation Fade
1) parents don’t make church a high priority for their kids
2) kids grow up & make it less of a priority for their kids
3) those kids grow up & make it no priority for their kids
4) those kids grow up w/ no concept of god
Priorities today impact generations”
They say this like it’s a bad thing. I’m proud I did it in three. My grandparents were devout and both my parents grew up in church often. My parents found excuses to avoid church when I was growing up, 1st generation fade. I dumped religion as an adult, 2nd generation. And my kids are completely godless, 3rd.
It’s good, more folks need to follow this path, maybe we can escape the grip of the far right if we don’t give them the tool of automatic religious respect and authority.
No one gonna take the bait? OK, I will.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afam2nIae4o
Obligatory. If I'd been up to 3 hours earlier I would have posted it myself.
I got up half-an-hour later than I usually do. Had to multitask a lot of things. Didn't even have time to do the xword puzzles in my paper this morning. I'll do them while I listen to the season opener between the Kraken and the Golden Knights this evening.
I was still awake last night about 1:30 AM because I had to pick my son up from work. I had a great sleep after that until I woke up 5 hours later. Nothing much going on until the all Blacks versus Ireland on Saturday. That's a grudge match. And it's outside pool play so one side or the other will be knocked out.
Oppressed people resist with the tools they have. In America the black churches played a major role during the civil rights movement. In Poland, people used the Catholic Church to resist the communists. Communism in Poland went away, and a large part of why Poles attended church regularly went away as well. Their church attendance was more about political resistance than faith.
The same thing happened in Iran, where in the 1970s, mosques were pretty much the only place where people who opposed the Shah could organize. I remember having a bunch of friends who were Iranian students studying in the US at the time. They were mostly not happy about that situation, many of them were secular, but they acknowledged the reality. Most went back to Iran after 1979. Those that were religious mostly did ok. Some of those that weren't were disappeared and others fled the religious regime (again.) That's some of the context that most reports about Iran today are missing.
Worst is that church cynically used that as reason to get so much leeway from governament (offically as "giving back church stuff taken by communists"). There are tons of stories of church getting land for it's 1/100th of value and then selling it with gigantic income. Not mentioning all bulls**t going around Tadeusz Rydzyk teleevangelist and media mogul (who happen to be priest and monk... While behaving like neither).
It's almost like people don't appreciate a giant child rape cabal living among them.
NAWWWWW! Couldn't be! [smirk-smirk ... GUFFAW!!! 🤣🤣🤣]
The Catholic Church is driving people away. They insist on remaining in the medieval centuries, when their power was at a zenith and the state protected them against all other "heresies".
I hope that extinction is in its future.
Awwww. Too bad about that, RCC. Truckload of Thoughts and Prayers.
> "followers of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, a parody religion."
SLANDER! LIBEL!! Call my lawyer. My religion is as good as any other... better than most even.
Look, we know there is only one true God and He lives among the Rings of Saturn and only wishes that sandwiches are plentiful.
I thought the rings of Saturn were made of Jesus' prepuce?
Possibly. Jibbers takes what He wants, when He wants, how He wants.
R'amen!
On that story the other day about the Louisiana school principal invoking god to discipline a young woman dancing at a private party-HE JUST ASKED FOR A PAID LEAVE OF ABSENCE THRU THE WHOLE SCHOOL YEAR. I guess he needs more time to work on his twerking skills. Fucking, goddamned, ugly, stupid christian pieces of shit. Goddamn them. BTW-I read a story that says that one of the principal's staff members daughters took the video of the girl dancing and that same girl got the scholarship that would have gone to the girl who was disciplined. Not sure if true or not but that's what I read.
The plot thickens...if that's true, it sure doesn't look good for that school administration as a whole. That would imply (although not prove, I realize) that people knew about Principal Nimrod's prudish anti-dancing obsession, and this maybe this daughter of a staff member was either put up to it or set out on her own to eliminate the competition.
Even if it's not true, it's just really, really bad optics.
Given the RCCs traditional treatment of women, I can see the women of Poland leading the way out of Holy Mother Church's embrace.
Blessed be His Noodly Appendages. Also Birds Don't Exist!
Peut-être there is apathy. I mean after two millennia and still no payoff...of course folks get bored of the BS scam. In today's age of immediate gratification and constant failure by institutions...well tiktok isn't that boring (it's juvenile but not boring).
Bats are birds, silly. Don't you know that? It says so right in the inerrant word of God.
Losing the youth, huh. Maybe the priests need to start wearing skinny jeans and leather jackets. Add a couple guitars to the choir.
New ? DM's catechism teacher wore leather jackets and rode a bike. It was in the late 50's, early 60's.
The evangelicals have been catching on to that trend for years. The ministers began eschewing their billowy frocks and shirts and ties for jeans and loud shirts to lure in the younger crowd. Rock bands came next and now you have:
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/09/24/the-unlikely-endurance-of-christian-rock
https://uberhumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/resized_kujsU2.jpg
Christian "rock" should be illegal. 🤮
Every bureaucracy ultimately becomes self serving. This 2000 year old one is no different. The Protestant ones despite relative youth are headed the same direction. The truth is trickling, sometimes gushing, out. Add to that the cognitive dissonance generated by the wealth gap between the clergy and the poor and needy they claim to serve. Is it any wonder people are drifting away from the churches? It helps to keep posting their failings to social media. Some of it is getting through.
Ha! This from the country which gave us Karol Wojtyla, a.k.a. Pope John Paul II. And the pattern of young people leading the way continues in Poland as well, which is utterly unsurprising. With the Church's close relationship with the Polish government, I wouldn't expect change to be quick or automatic at all, but a shift of this magnitude over a decade should be a wake-up call to EVERYONE, believers and nones alike. Both the RCC of Poland and its government should take serious note of this development and recognize its importance. Kids who reject religion may also find problems with a government that embraces that same belief system. Those in power could stand to look hard at the ties they have to the Roman Catholic Church and rethink some of them, if they want to maintain their position with the younger citizens of their country.
As for the Church? I would suggest they fasten their seat belts, because they are in for a bumpy ride. Maybe not immediately, but it's coming.
More likely the government officials will follow the lead of U.S. politicians and quintuple-down.
Oh, they can do that. In the long haul, though, I suspect they'll wish they HADN'T.
I'm hoping they will here as well. I just hope it doesn't take a bloody conflict to make them regret it.
I wish I had a reason to disagree, but I don't. Damn, that's depressing.
You want to know how young generation see JP2? Search term "Cenzopapa".
oh good, i already know of a bunch of cool people in poland
Looks like Poland will now be giving the Scandinavian countries (as well as others) a run for their money.
Omnipotent, omniscient Jesus seems to be having trouble getting people to believe he's real...and merciful. The Church's solution? Pray harder, and more often. And give us more money. More.
I wonder how/if Americans of Polish descent are responding to all this. I know 3 who remain very staunch Catholics.
It might be a generational theme. Younger people leaves the Church while older ones stay in.
My family on one side is Polish. Hasn’t changed anything for the most Catholic of them. Not sure if anything will, unfortunately.