Which fact might well have been revealed at Senate confirmation hearings, where even the minority Democrats would be able to ask pointed questions. Which is why the incoming regime is trying to use the recess-appointment process to avoid such hearings.
Its actually because of RINO republicans. They'll try to stop anyone who would be more than controlled opposition to continue the charade. Too many people have woken up to the insane levels of corruption which is why so many former Democrats have joined Trump.
Nah. It's really more about the xenophobia and misogyny with Trumpublicans. Fragile, uneducated, privileged white dudes are fine with corruption as long as they're getting theirs and Women/Browns don't get shit.
Tattoos are not a sin unless you follow EVERY law in Leviticus. The eleventh commandment should be "Thou shalt not cherry pick". Do you wear blue jeans? If so, you're sinning according to Leviticus because there's a law against mixed fabrics. Jesus and God both have tattoos according to the Bible, so reconcile "Tattoos are a sin" with that. The Levitical law concerning tattoos was a restriction against pagan religious practices. Context matters. Whiskey Pete's tattoos are a sin only as far as they represent a new Christian Crusade. Jesus wanted followers, not slaves. We follow of our free will, not by compulsion. Whiskey Pete and Company want to shove Christianity down the throats of every American. It's Sharia law under a Christian label, nothing less. His tattoos prove that. I won't go into all the reasons Hegseth is unfit to serve because there are too many to list.
Having never sinned, I really don't know what all the fuss is about.
Jeans aren't necessarily sinful, it's those Arrow shirts with their cotton-poly blends that are clearly the problem. And as someone who's fine with woolen undies (it's what Uncle issued...), those who will only wear the woolen blends are Hell-bent for pleather and naugahyde.
Google AI generated answer to "Are blue jeans 100% cotton" **No, blue jeans are not always 100% cotton; they can be made from cotton blends that include synthetic fibers like polyester or elastane for added comfort and flexibility.**
Christians are always the first people to claim they're being persecuted, such is the depth of their entrenched sense of privilege. History shows time and again that no group is quicker to persecute others than religious leaders with secular power. Hegseth rose to the rank of Major in the National Guard. That is NOT a spell binding military career. He has made it clear he intends to fire four star generals who do not share his Christo-fascist world view. Hegseth is on record as saying the U.S. military needs to be the flaming sword of Christ. I find a statement like that absolutely horrifying. No one should be foolish enough to expect Senate Republicans to honor their Constitutional duties and reject this absurdly unfit man.
The evangelicals see the military as a 'mission field'. Get to young kids away from home for the first time, and vulnerable. In Vietnam, the Army I served in would have dealt with proselytization from the bottom up.
I really hope those generals get together and stand up to him and say "no, you're not gonna do that to us." or they can be ready to retire? (Which won't help us).
The Christians who whine about being persecuted don't know what persecution is. I have no problems pointing that out to them. Someone calling you stupid is NOT persecution. Someone calling you stupid while burning down your house is. Someone calling you stupid and firing you from your job for your beliefs is. Someone calling you stupid and attempting to kill you is. Just calling you stupid is bullying. Put on your big boy/girl knickers and get over it. I'm a Christian and I approved this message.
From Wikipedia: "When Adolf Hitler staged the Munich Beer Hall Putsch in November 1923, Houston Stewart Chamberlain wrote an essay for the Völkischer Beobachter entitled "God Wills It!" calling on all Germans who love Germany to join the putsch."
Not 100% evidence that Hegseth is an actual Nazi, but shows he is at least Nazi adjacent. What's next? Gott mit uns patches for uniforms?
It is problematic at best that Hegseth has crusader language tattooed. To place that permanently on his body shows just how committed he is to using state violence to enforce his ideology.
You're right Hegseth is Nazi adjacent. Trump is literally Hitler. Its funny that it was probably the Muslims that helped Trump win Michigan since Muslim leaders were publicly endorsing Trump. Maybe you can clue them in that they'll soon be rounded up along with all the gays, blacks, and Hispanics. And of course all white woman will be made to be Trump aryan baby factories. Why did all of those minorities vote for Trump in such great numbers!?
“Deus Vult” has PRECISELY the same meaning as “Inshallah.” These phrases aren’t just two sides of the same coin - they’re the same side. Just imagine for a moment Rashida Tlaib coming in to Congress with “Inshallah” proudly inked on her arm. Picture the reaction of the reactionaries; the firestorm would be immediate.
Add to the that the fact that the Crusades didn't accomplish anything. When they started, muslims controlled the holy land; when they were over, muslims controlled the holy land. The only thing they accomplished was some temporary land grabs in the Levant, and the consolidation of papal power and the Vatican's financial enrichment.
Not that I expect any of the dolts sporting 'deus vult' tats to know any of that........but it makes me chuckle.
You're right, Christians should take back the Holy Land. God wills it. At least woman wouldn't have to cover themselves head to toe or risk being decapitated for the crime of being raped. Plus the inbreeding is a real problem.
Are they Christians at that point or using the term as a mask to commit atrocities? You can say its a great mask but how many times have these so called Christians committed atrocities in the last 1000 years? I'm truly curious. I can think of Salem witch trials where due process was denied. Due process is really a biblical principle. The story of Jesus actually proves the necessity of breaking down dogmas. He was persecuted by the church.
"Inshallah" means "God willing," as in, *if* such is God's will. The Muslim speaker is, at least technically, not presuming to know. "Deus vult" is a statement of confidence that the Christian *is* an instrument of God's will.
This is the kind of thing I would expect from someone who considers the United States to be a Christian nation, who thinks that the secular state is a fiction someone thought up, and that their deity has every right to run the place. The primary problem I have with that is pretty obvious: Yahweh NEVER speaks for himself, and when I say never, I mean 𝗡𝗘𝗩𝗘𝗥. His spokespeople, on the other hand, are nowhere near so shy. Indeed, one has a time trying to SHUT THEM UP.
So Pete Hegseth says, DEUS VULT, god wills it, eh? Two words. Well, I got two words for him:
He is a Christian Nationalist of the most extreme sort. He 𝘸𝘢𝘯𝘵𝘴 a holy war against Muslims and secularists, who he believes are allied to "conquer" the US and Europe.
Of course, he can't prove Yahweh actually wants what he's pushing. Hegseth is living in a medieval fantasy where he must slay the infidel in order to protect the power of the church.
All of western civilization was founded on the teachings of the Bible. The court system, the moral code, every aspect you probably take for granted. Why do we think that all people are equal in the eyes of the law? Innocent until proven guilty? You can see what happens when these go away ie, "find the man and I'll find the crime". The ideals set aside in the Bible are worth understanding. Of course the Bible was written by men at one level of perception, through the lens of one narrative. But it was written by God through the lens of a different dominant narrative. Just the same as you can look at a chair as a place to sit, or an obstacle as you're walking through a room, or a collection of atoms at another level. They have different practical uses as different levels of observation. The founding fathers used the Bible to build the greatest country on earth. God is actually in the text. This is how the corruptible man who owns a slave is able to write a document that frees him. Do you understand?
Was it really? Is that why Jefferson and Madison and their fellows studied Greek democracy and the writings of Solon in particular? Fact is, the concept of the people ruling themselves, as opposed to some unseen deity, is UNKNOWN in the bible, and if you don't know that, you should.
And if your deity did indeed write the bible, then why doesn't that book evolve as people and the society they live in evolve? The bible is a book, written by men and frozen in time, with NO consideration for human self-rule and considerable verbiage spent outlining the obligations us humans have to a hotshot god who cannot be bothered to show itself, never mind a putative savior whose existence has no contemporaneous documentation, nor any independent confirmation.
Troll all you want, bud (not that you'll last long here). Your BS doesn't sell with us.
I'm not trolling you, that's kind of a silly accusation. Madison and Jefferson were Christians along with all of the "founding fathers". Just because certain biblical principles are articulated elsewhere doesn't mean they're not still biblical principles. The idea that man can rule himself is by extension that he should not be ruled by other men. That does not mean he is not ruled by God as they believed. That is to say when
a man is ruled by God he is ruled by a higher set of principles. This is absolutely necessary to a concept like anarchy to function. If all men are created equal, if all men are equal in the eyes of the creator, they are equal in the eyes of a just law. This is the foundation of the US. Of course as I mentioned many had slaves. The men themselves were corruptible, but God is not, the principles are not, hence abolition.
Wrong again. Jefferson was a DEIST, regardless of what David Barton may have to say. James Madison is a little bit more complex, in that he was baptized in the Anglican church, but modern historians cite his beliefs as being closer to 19th century Unitarianism.
But that isn't the point. The point is that Jefferson, Madison, and their fellows structured a secular document: our constitution. No mention of any god, Jesus, or any other deity, but a well-thought-out system, based in checks and balances, and controlled by human beings. As for the issue of religion, Article VI, paragraph 3 clearly states that no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust. Further, the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment set, as Jefferson told the Danbury Baptist, "a wall of separation between Church and State." The whole point was to make the government independent of religion, so as to treat all religions and all religious practitioners EQUALLY.
Yet you still want to assert that humankind is ruled by some form of deity. I see no evidence of such a deity, no evidence that any of us are under any sort of external control, nor do I think you can provide any such evidence. If you could, this world would change beyond any unchanging.
And yet it hasn't, because there is no god to produce. When you can produce such a being, let me know. Until such time, don't waste mine.
Ever hear of the Jefferson bible? Look it up. And where is god in the text of the Constitution "Year of our Lord"? Really. You're going to claim the common dating system of the time as proof that the founders used the bible to create this country? When religion is mentioned in the Constitution it's proceeded by the word no.
Please cite chapter and verse where innocent until proven guilty is found in the Bible. As for a moral code? Obedience isn't morality. Punishing children for the sins of their fathers (nobody cared about their mothers) is not moral. Nor is drowning millions of puppies and kittens because you're mad at the humans.
And tell me what experience you have of all the other countries that you can claim this one is THE greatest one on Earth?
The Year of Our Lord was not included in the draft of the Constitution that was approved of at the Convention and is not part of the contents of the document the members signed. It was added later by a scrivener. Madison surely would not have done it.
In any event, the phrase is an outmoded dating sysyem. A relic.
Yes I've read it, though it was years ago. I never said anything about year of our Lord. I just posted from Deuteronomy on another reply about needing witnesses, up to 3 before a judge in order to find guilt. Bearing false witness was punishable by death. Punishing sins of the father to the 3rd and 4th generation is what happens in the world. We do in fact pay for the sins of our father. Is it moral? I mean that's a silly question. It's what it is. Weak men make hard times. Hard times make strong men. Strong men make good times. Good times makes weak men. Is it moral? Its observable. You're a man not a God. Read the book of Job. It's the greatest because the whole world wants to come here. Or they did before we abandoned God. Who's movies, music, culture is more widespread than the US. I'm really starting to think you could care less what I have to say... It's an exercise in futility but I can still hope that you find God in your life. Then you can know the meaning of these things. Remember I said I was an agnostic. I ate up every hitchens and Harris lecture and debate on the internet. More than just them for sure but mainly those two. I would argue with "believers" for hours and hours on YouTube. I now realize what I was missing. THANK GOD!!
The book of Job, where an omniscient "god" tortures a man to win a bet, kills his whole family (Is that moral?). Job was a fool. God didn't give a damn about him.
The idea of witnesses and a judge are neither original nor unique to the bible and predate it.
The bible calls for stoning a disobedient child. Luckily society doesn't practice that or the species would be gone in a generation.
I was raised in church. "Saved" at 7. Never read or heard a word Hitchens or Harris lectured or wrote. I miss nothing. If there is a god and the bible describes it accurately, it is a monster, who deserves condemnation, not worship. Any being, deity or mortal that desires, much less demands, worship is not worthy of it.
A god who has watched every child molestation in history and not intervened, but condemns a man to death for sex with a consenting adult man.
This is the God you expect me to somehow find joy or peace in. The monster who could have Thanos'd humanity out of existence and instead decided to drown millions of puppies and kittens.
And actually, the whole world doesn't want to come here. There are plenty of people who wouldn't live here if you paid them. People who have a social safety net so they can leave an abusive employer and not worry about going hungry or getting sick. (weren't you going on upthread about how horrible it is being a wage slave in work or die USA)
We can show anti-abortion Christians book, chapter and verse where their god specifically instructs his followers NOT to get tatoos. Let THEM show US where their god forbids abortion. Let them show ANY bit of scripture anywhere in that book that forbids abortion.
Might want to read your bible a bit more. Your god is quite murderous. According to your own 'holy' book, your god killed 2,821,364. And that's just where the bible has actual numbers. There are no numbers for the great flood, Sodom, the plagues of Egypt, etc. This pushes the estimated total number even higher (24,994,828).
On abortion alone, how many pregnant women died in the great flood (along with infants and children)? How many pregnant women/infants/children died at the hands of god's invading army in Samaria? And Troublesh00ter already pointed out the hideous "Test For an Unfaithful Wife" found in Numbers 5:11-31.
BTW, William, if you're wondering where I got those totals both bible-backed and estimated, I got them from someone who sat down with the bible and did the research. Here is that link...
I take those as a warning. There are rules and if those rules are broken you will be destroyed. If you civilization sins by adultery, my murder, by theft, etc. your civilization will certainly collapse. I don't take most of the Bible literally. The Bible is filled with warnings, you can heed the warnings or not. These warnings are for good reason and can looked at logically and scientifically and yield the same results, ultimately FAFO. I don't know why things function like they do, I'm not God, but that is the way they function. Sodom was filled with the most atrocious of behaviors. They found out. This is just the reality of the world. No matter where you look in history the best means of survival is to act in accordance to biblical principles. Yes I'm familiar with everything you wrote there. The Bible was written by men after all, and men from thousands of years ago. It was also in the same breath written by God. You are thinking too simplistic if you cannot allow these two levels of perception to exist simultaneously. Murder is a commandment by God. If you commit murder will you not suffer? If you steal or commit adultery will you not suffer? Maybe even find yourself in a place that resembles hell?
You say you don't take most of the bible literally. Personally, I don't take it at all, except as a literary reference point, but that makes me ask a question. How do you decide what to take literally and what to take figuratively? Frankly, the creation story is described in Genesis is garbage. Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 contradict each other, and badly so, regarding order of events. The story of the Flood is borrowed from the Epic of Gilgamesh, and most biblical scholars acknowledge this. What's left of the Old Testament that isn't badly conceived laws is equally bad storytelling, very little if any of which is corroborated by any exterior sources.
The earliest mention of Jesus happens 20 years after his putative death with the Pauline letters. There are no contemporaneous records of Jesus' life whatsoever, and anyone who wants to claim that the gospels are reliable, having been written at minimum 40 years after the events described, has never played a game of "Telephone."
Any serious and dispassionate analysis of the bible shows it to be a mess ... which is why I have exactly ZERO regard for it, EXCEPT as literature.
The problem with abortion is that its murdering a baby. When does a baby become a baby exactly? When is a person considered dead? When their heart stops. Why not consider a person alive when their heart starts beating? Is that not a fair question? People say "my body my choice" but is it a new life with its own beating heart not a separate person with the same rights? Isnt it an adult's choice to engage in unprotected sex? Isnt that your body and your choice? I agree its complicated but these arguments are surely valid.
Tell that to your god, then. Failure to implant (around 40-50% of all fertilized ova) and miscarriages for various reasons account for lost blastocysts, zygotes, embryos and fetuses of a number that would make all the safe, legal abortions in the world look like a drop of water in the Atlantic. That doesn't even mention that the bible actually provides a PROCEDURE for temple- and god-approved abortion. See Numbers 5:11-31.
Hegseth pisses and moans that "patriots and everyday Americans" are targeted/under attack. No, that will happen on Jan. 20th when his boss starts targeting/going after patriots and everyday Americans....including Christians who don't fall in line.
Couchfucker whines about Hegseth getting 'attacked.' This from a guy who attacked "childless cat ladies."
Well, women with kids are already not enfranchised since their only purpose is whatever kids and husbands need. Women without children actually have some power in society, not being chained to the house (even if mothers work, they’re more easily trapped by domestic labor).
Women who create humans in their womb and raise them to be men and women who create more men and women have no power? I don't see a more powerful creature on the planet. A woman that gives her life to a soulless corporation just to pay taxes and interest while sacrificing the one thing that gives her true power is sad. A woman can tame the most powerful man with a gentle smile, a soft touch, or loving words.
We’re not incubators. We’re human beings, with individual interests, drives, and goals.
Working in ways that provide satisfaction to an individual is far better than anything you said here. Denying women the opportunity to find an occupation they derive pleasure and satisfaction is a lack of power. Giving birth is not “true power” it’s just one thing that we can do. The one thing that gives a woman true power, please, it’s the one thing men use constantly to oppress us. They’ve been using it for centuries, millennia, to hold us back while raising their mediocre asses into undeserved positions of power.
And it’s sad you think men are just wild animals that need to be tamed. And of course it’s sex that “tames” them.
No, there is no self awareness in the RWNJ base. It’s limited to whether they like ketchup or mustard on their hot dog.
What will happen when they see that Trump’s horrible policies affect them just as badly as those they despise, their anger will just increase against those same people. Instead of owning “the devil made me do it”, it will be our fault for not explaining what a tariff is. 🙄
MSM really could've helped with that, but they didn't. They let everything he said just go right by them, without correcting it. They should hang their heads in shame and when he cancels their publication or channel, they deserve it. (Altho he can't really do it). Cracks me up how he's suing 60 Minutes!
IF we get public hearings, I want the first Dem question to be: what is the mission statement of your department? Remember when rick Perry didn't know what the department of energy did.
Here's one making international news right now. A Republican county commissioner in Indiana running for reëlection was jailed for raping his daughter, the electorate knew it, and they still reëlected him on November 5.
There is a Google Docs page of Republican officials who are convicted of rapes and sexual assaults, updated every five minutes, including links to reports and court cases.
How about Matt Gaetz? About to become Attorney General so he can throw out the charges against himself.
(Right-wing sexual predators list. It will take some time to go through since there are over 3,600 individual entries. I encourage you to read all the newspaper or television reports until you become sickened of the GOP. The list automatically updates every five minutes; that's how prevalent GOP sex crimes are.)
I just read the article and that's not what it says at all. It says he was guilty of sexual assault of a prostitute apparently. It looks like this was after the election. Just not the same. I'm all for the death penalty to rapists in any case, the political party isn't important to me. Just interesting that the left are the ones trying to normalize pedos with all the MAP stuff. Love is love right? What's the plus by the way in lgbtq+? Trump? He was liable in a civil case for sexual assault after 30 years? By an absolute mental case? Interesting also the story seems to follow the exact plot of a law and order episode.. But she just happened to wait until he was running? He goes 70+ years without an issue with the law and the year he's running for office he has 91+ indictments? Yeah that's not suspect at all.. As for Matt Gaetz, I don't know, wasn't it investigated already and no charges were brought forward? If he's guilty he should face the consequences. But are we not still innocent until proven guilty? The left seems to not care about that, or censorship, or peace anymore. Just racism, racism, racism, orange man bad, and other nonsense. Hence why you've lost the election in a landslide. Apparently Americans by and large don't want to be ruled by insanity.
It is a requirement that the establishment and their media empire discredit anyone in the Trump sphere by any means necessary. But a favorite for them for sure. Projection seems to be their MO. I bet they'll release that Epstein list any day now.
"Whenever someone points out a troubling fact about one of Trump’s allies, they will inevitably call it religious persecution, and their gullible, white evangelical base will eat it up because they believe their side can do no wrong."
It works really well for Jews. Try saying something against Jews even if it has nothing to do with their religion. Only recently has the religious right pointed out that Christ is the only figure that can be openly mocked. Try saying something about Muhammad and see what happens. Am I wrong?
"god will it," is the excuse all religious people use when they commit atrocities. Pete is no different than any other tyrannical hopeful from the human history of religious atrocities in the name of an imaginary being. A non-existent entity does not justify treating other humans like pawns on a chess board. Hegseth is playing with his own existence when he pretends to have divine authority. I for one, will resist that kind of bullshit at maximum volume.
As a religious person, I do support getting rid of tax exempt status for religious groups that don't have a primarily charity mission that serves the general public. Anything can be called a religion & they certainly don't follow separation of church & state.
Yeah yeah 1st amendment or whatever.. You're right! People should not be able to freely speak unless it conforms to your narrow viewpoint. It's "misuse" will "destroy..ideas they don't like\agree with". Do you not see the hypocrisy there? Or do you not care because you've deemed yourself so morally superior that you're " allowed " because the ends justify the means?
Hegseth doesn’t give a damn. That’s exactly the problem. These folks don’t give a thought to others, how they come across, whether they are offending anyone. They care only for themselves and their religious perspective. This attitude is one that constantly tears at the communal fabric of society. It’s not religion per se, but the self indulgent assurance that their religion is right, the only one, and the rest by damned.
That's the way it has been with Republicans since before I can remember. Something PERSONAL has to happen to them before they recognize any issue as being in need of their attention and/or action.
“they will inevitably call it religious persecution, and their gullible, white evangelical base will eat it up because they believe their side can do no wrong.“
It’s less that their side can do no wrong and more our side can do no right, we can make no criticism. But also their side has decided Christianity is not Jesus love and forgiveness, but intolerance, violence and hatred. You ask them to stop and be kind and they’re all shouting persecution.
Deus Vult means shit off brain and empathy and do as I want because I can justify it with divine providence.
Just another appointment from Trump straight from Project 2025 designed to destroy our system of government from within. Don’t be surprised when them checks and balances are all murdered in their sleep.
That's incredibly racist, "..gullible, white evangelist base.." Is there something wrong with white people as a whole? Why feel the need to bring skin color into your commentary?
You do realize the part you quoted was a quote from the article. I was working off the what the article said.
And yes white evangelicals are racist. Not white people as a whole, white evangelicals, it’s an adjective used here to narrow down to specific people who are causing a problem. As opposed to black evangelicals who aren’t being targeted by the folks in charge.
White Evangelicals are racist. OK thanks for the insight. I'll keep that in mind when I meet a white Evangelical in the future. Any other groups I should have prejudices about?
Hegseth isn't fit to serve. As for his tats, those are a sin. Leviticus 19:28
For so many reasons, he and others that The Orange Menace has chosen, are not fit to serve!
Which fact might well have been revealed at Senate confirmation hearings, where even the minority Democrats would be able to ask pointed questions. Which is why the incoming regime is trying to use the recess-appointment process to avoid such hearings.
So very true!
Its actually because of RINO republicans. They'll try to stop anyone who would be more than controlled opposition to continue the charade. Too many people have woken up to the insane levels of corruption which is why so many former Democrats have joined Trump.
Nah. It's really more about the xenophobia and misogyny with Trumpublicans. Fragile, uneducated, privileged white dudes are fine with corruption as long as they're getting theirs and Women/Browns don't get shit.
Are you skipping your meds or just taking too high a dose?
Tattoos are not a sin unless you follow EVERY law in Leviticus. The eleventh commandment should be "Thou shalt not cherry pick". Do you wear blue jeans? If so, you're sinning according to Leviticus because there's a law against mixed fabrics. Jesus and God both have tattoos according to the Bible, so reconcile "Tattoos are a sin" with that. The Levitical law concerning tattoos was a restriction against pagan religious practices. Context matters. Whiskey Pete's tattoos are a sin only as far as they represent a new Christian Crusade. Jesus wanted followers, not slaves. We follow of our free will, not by compulsion. Whiskey Pete and Company want to shove Christianity down the throats of every American. It's Sharia law under a Christian label, nothing less. His tattoos prove that. I won't go into all the reasons Hegseth is unfit to serve because there are too many to list.
Having never sinned, I really don't know what all the fuss is about.
Jeans aren't necessarily sinful, it's those Arrow shirts with their cotton-poly blends that are clearly the problem. And as someone who's fine with woolen undies (it's what Uncle issued...), those who will only wear the woolen blends are Hell-bent for pleather and naugahyde.
LOL
Google AI generated answer to "Are blue jeans 100% cotton" **No, blue jeans are not always 100% cotton; they can be made from cotton blends that include synthetic fibers like polyester or elastane for added comfort and flexibility.**
Christians are always the first people to claim they're being persecuted, such is the depth of their entrenched sense of privilege. History shows time and again that no group is quicker to persecute others than religious leaders with secular power. Hegseth rose to the rank of Major in the National Guard. That is NOT a spell binding military career. He has made it clear he intends to fire four star generals who do not share his Christo-fascist world view. Hegseth is on record as saying the U.S. military needs to be the flaming sword of Christ. I find a statement like that absolutely horrifying. No one should be foolish enough to expect Senate Republicans to honor their Constitutional duties and reject this absurdly unfit man.
Can you imagine what Mikey Weinstein thinks of all of this? WHEW!
The evangelicals see the military as a 'mission field'. Get to young kids away from home for the first time, and vulnerable. In Vietnam, the Army I served in would have dealt with proselytization from the bottom up.
So, I'm guessing that at that point in history, Hegseth would have been a friendly fire "accident".
Could have been or the victim of a fragging.
Every time this topic comes up, I am reminded of the following video. I think my reasons are self-evident:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB1UifGIqaw
The level of evangelical fanaticism in the ranks is disturbing.
I think Mikey's cardiologist needs to be on hazard pay.
I really hope those generals get together and stand up to him and say "no, you're not gonna do that to us." or they can be ready to retire? (Which won't help us).
Can you spell "purge"? P-U-R-G-E! There, I knew you could!
The Christians who whine about being persecuted don't know what persecution is. I have no problems pointing that out to them. Someone calling you stupid is NOT persecution. Someone calling you stupid while burning down your house is. Someone calling you stupid and firing you from your job for your beliefs is. Someone calling you stupid and attempting to kill you is. Just calling you stupid is bullying. Put on your big boy/girl knickers and get over it. I'm a Christian and I approved this message.
From Wikipedia: "When Adolf Hitler staged the Munich Beer Hall Putsch in November 1923, Houston Stewart Chamberlain wrote an essay for the Völkischer Beobachter entitled "God Wills It!" calling on all Germans who love Germany to join the putsch."
Not 100% evidence that Hegseth is an actual Nazi, but shows he is at least Nazi adjacent. What's next? Gott mit uns patches for uniforms?
It is problematic at best that Hegseth has crusader language tattooed. To place that permanently on his body shows just how committed he is to using state violence to enforce his ideology.
No no no. Hitler wanted to murder the Jews. Hegseth wants to help Trump murder Muslims. It's totally different, don'cha see.
You're right Hegseth is Nazi adjacent. Trump is literally Hitler. Its funny that it was probably the Muslims that helped Trump win Michigan since Muslim leaders were publicly endorsing Trump. Maybe you can clue them in that they'll soon be rounded up along with all the gays, blacks, and Hispanics. And of course all white woman will be made to be Trump aryan baby factories. Why did all of those minorities vote for Trump in such great numbers!?
Spewing pro-Nazi shit here isn't the flex you believe it to be, Soft Boi.
Fuck straight off back to Trumpistan.
"Stupid is as stupid does." - Mrs. Gump
“Deus Vult” has PRECISELY the same meaning as “Inshallah.” These phrases aren’t just two sides of the same coin - they’re the same side. Just imagine for a moment Rashida Tlaib coming in to Congress with “Inshallah” proudly inked on her arm. Picture the reaction of the reactionaries; the firestorm would be immediate.
Oh, but THIS country is a CHRISTIAN NATION™, so it's okay. [uh-huh, SUUUURE it is ... 😝]
Yep, a completely different God. After all, the Christian God is the God of Abraham. Not the Muslim God: the God of Abraham.
Which reminds me of the following:
𝐴𝑏𝑟𝑎ℎ𝑎𝑚 𝑖𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑓𝑎𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑜𝑓 𝑚𝑎𝑛𝑦 𝑛𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛𝑠. 𝑊𝑒 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑐ℎ𝑖𝑙𝑑𝑟𝑒𝑛 𝑜𝑓 𝐼𝑠ℎ𝑚𝑎𝑒𝑙, ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑓𝑖𝑟𝑠𝑡𝑏𝑜𝑟𝑛. 𝑊𝑒 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑜𝑏𝑒𝑑𝑖𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑜𝑓 𝐺𝑜𝑑.
-- Jethro, "The Ten Commandments"
Sad fact is that the only biblical references Pete and his kind care about are those that agree with THEM.
But Ishmael is a bastard. Which shows Sarah's consent meant nothing to God.
Different Abraham(of course)🫤. They’ll lie and justify it.
Add to the that the fact that the Crusades didn't accomplish anything. When they started, muslims controlled the holy land; when they were over, muslims controlled the holy land. The only thing they accomplished was some temporary land grabs in the Levant, and the consolidation of papal power and the Vatican's financial enrichment.
Not that I expect any of the dolts sporting 'deus vult' tats to know any of that........but it makes me chuckle.
And killing a lot of people. But that's okay by their "thinking."
Muslims aren't people, silly.
You're right, Christians should take back the Holy Land. God wills it. At least woman wouldn't have to cover themselves head to toe or risk being decapitated for the crime of being raped. Plus the inbreeding is a real problem.
Spewing pro-Nazi shit here isn't the flex you believe it to be, Soft Boi.
Fuck straight off back to Trumpistan.
The decline of intelligence caused by inbreeding really shows with you.
He talks about inbreeding. In the bible, humans populated the world via incest. Twice.
Are they Christians at that point or using the term as a mask to commit atrocities? You can say its a great mask but how many times have these so called Christians committed atrocities in the last 1000 years? I'm truly curious. I can think of Salem witch trials where due process was denied. Due process is really a biblical principle. The story of Jesus actually proves the necessity of breaking down dogmas. He was persecuted by the church.
Of course. The church was using the crusades as a cash cow. Retaking the holy land from the muslims would have just been the icing on the cake.
Selling "indulgences" was a big market, too.
So, using their god as an excuse to seize power and accumulate wealth - “Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose”
"Inshallah" means "God willing," as in, *if* such is God's will. The Muslim speaker is, at least technically, not presuming to know. "Deus vult" is a statement of confidence that the Christian *is* an instrument of God's will.
A distinction without a difference.
"Inshallah" is a hope. "Deus vult" is a justification.
Not just a justification but an assertion: GOD WILLS IT.
To which I STILL say, "Sure he does." 😝
In theory, not in practice.
This is the kind of thing I would expect from someone who considers the United States to be a Christian nation, who thinks that the secular state is a fiction someone thought up, and that their deity has every right to run the place. The primary problem I have with that is pretty obvious: Yahweh NEVER speaks for himself, and when I say never, I mean 𝗡𝗘𝗩𝗘𝗥. His spokespeople, on the other hand, are nowhere near so shy. Indeed, one has a time trying to SHUT THEM UP.
So Pete Hegseth says, DEUS VULT, god wills it, eh? Two words. Well, I got two words for him:
𝗣𝗥𝗢𝗩𝗘 𝗜𝗧.
He is a Christian Nationalist of the most extreme sort. He 𝘸𝘢𝘯𝘵𝘴 a holy war against Muslims and secularists, who he believes are allied to "conquer" the US and Europe.
Of course, he can't prove Yahweh actually wants what he's pushing. Hegseth is living in a medieval fantasy where he must slay the infidel in order to protect the power of the church.
Yup. You know it and I know it and he won't admit it ... but there it is.
"I believe that Donald Trump is the King the Lord has picked,
And I believe that Jesus was born on January 6th."
--From the song, Jesus Was Born January 6 (c), in the MAGA Musical for the Masses, Dictator for a Day. An off-Broadway hit!
Coming soon to streaming!
Dictatorforadayshow.com
And coming soon to reality, January 20, 2025.
Thanks, 'murica!
There are some very fine people on both sides...of Pennsyltucky.
"We went through 5 Adams before we figured that out." - Metatron
Speaking of Alan Rickman, it's almost Hans Grueber season.
All of western civilization was founded on the teachings of the Bible. The court system, the moral code, every aspect you probably take for granted. Why do we think that all people are equal in the eyes of the law? Innocent until proven guilty? You can see what happens when these go away ie, "find the man and I'll find the crime". The ideals set aside in the Bible are worth understanding. Of course the Bible was written by men at one level of perception, through the lens of one narrative. But it was written by God through the lens of a different dominant narrative. Just the same as you can look at a chair as a place to sit, or an obstacle as you're walking through a room, or a collection of atoms at another level. They have different practical uses as different levels of observation. The founding fathers used the Bible to build the greatest country on earth. God is actually in the text. This is how the corruptible man who owns a slave is able to write a document that frees him. Do you understand?
Was it really? Is that why Jefferson and Madison and their fellows studied Greek democracy and the writings of Solon in particular? Fact is, the concept of the people ruling themselves, as opposed to some unseen deity, is UNKNOWN in the bible, and if you don't know that, you should.
And if your deity did indeed write the bible, then why doesn't that book evolve as people and the society they live in evolve? The bible is a book, written by men and frozen in time, with NO consideration for human self-rule and considerable verbiage spent outlining the obligations us humans have to a hotshot god who cannot be bothered to show itself, never mind a putative savior whose existence has no contemporaneous documentation, nor any independent confirmation.
Troll all you want, bud (not that you'll last long here). Your BS doesn't sell with us.
I'm not trolling you, that's kind of a silly accusation. Madison and Jefferson were Christians along with all of the "founding fathers". Just because certain biblical principles are articulated elsewhere doesn't mean they're not still biblical principles. The idea that man can rule himself is by extension that he should not be ruled by other men. That does not mean he is not ruled by God as they believed. That is to say when
a man is ruled by God he is ruled by a higher set of principles. This is absolutely necessary to a concept like anarchy to function. If all men are created equal, if all men are equal in the eyes of the creator, they are equal in the eyes of a just law. This is the foundation of the US. Of course as I mentioned many had slaves. The men themselves were corruptible, but God is not, the principles are not, hence abolition.
Wrong again. Jefferson was a DEIST, regardless of what David Barton may have to say. James Madison is a little bit more complex, in that he was baptized in the Anglican church, but modern historians cite his beliefs as being closer to 19th century Unitarianism.
But that isn't the point. The point is that Jefferson, Madison, and their fellows structured a secular document: our constitution. No mention of any god, Jesus, or any other deity, but a well-thought-out system, based in checks and balances, and controlled by human beings. As for the issue of religion, Article VI, paragraph 3 clearly states that no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust. Further, the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment set, as Jefferson told the Danbury Baptist, "a wall of separation between Church and State." The whole point was to make the government independent of religion, so as to treat all religions and all religious practitioners EQUALLY.
Yet you still want to assert that humankind is ruled by some form of deity. I see no evidence of such a deity, no evidence that any of us are under any sort of external control, nor do I think you can provide any such evidence. If you could, this world would change beyond any unchanging.
And yet it hasn't, because there is no god to produce. When you can produce such a being, let me know. Until such time, don't waste mine.
Ever hear of the Jefferson bible? Look it up. And where is god in the text of the Constitution "Year of our Lord"? Really. You're going to claim the common dating system of the time as proof that the founders used the bible to create this country? When religion is mentioned in the Constitution it's proceeded by the word no.
Please cite chapter and verse where innocent until proven guilty is found in the Bible. As for a moral code? Obedience isn't morality. Punishing children for the sins of their fathers (nobody cared about their mothers) is not moral. Nor is drowning millions of puppies and kittens because you're mad at the humans.
And tell me what experience you have of all the other countries that you can claim this one is THE greatest one on Earth?
The Year of Our Lord was not included in the draft of the Constitution that was approved of at the Convention and is not part of the contents of the document the members signed. It was added later by a scrivener. Madison surely would not have done it.
In any event, the phrase is an outmoded dating sysyem. A relic.
Yes I've read it, though it was years ago. I never said anything about year of our Lord. I just posted from Deuteronomy on another reply about needing witnesses, up to 3 before a judge in order to find guilt. Bearing false witness was punishable by death. Punishing sins of the father to the 3rd and 4th generation is what happens in the world. We do in fact pay for the sins of our father. Is it moral? I mean that's a silly question. It's what it is. Weak men make hard times. Hard times make strong men. Strong men make good times. Good times makes weak men. Is it moral? Its observable. You're a man not a God. Read the book of Job. It's the greatest because the whole world wants to come here. Or they did before we abandoned God. Who's movies, music, culture is more widespread than the US. I'm really starting to think you could care less what I have to say... It's an exercise in futility but I can still hope that you find God in your life. Then you can know the meaning of these things. Remember I said I was an agnostic. I ate up every hitchens and Harris lecture and debate on the internet. More than just them for sure but mainly those two. I would argue with "believers" for hours and hours on YouTube. I now realize what I was missing. THANK GOD!!
The book of Job, where an omniscient "god" tortures a man to win a bet, kills his whole family (Is that moral?). Job was a fool. God didn't give a damn about him.
The idea of witnesses and a judge are neither original nor unique to the bible and predate it.
The bible calls for stoning a disobedient child. Luckily society doesn't practice that or the species would be gone in a generation.
I was raised in church. "Saved" at 7. Never read or heard a word Hitchens or Harris lectured or wrote. I miss nothing. If there is a god and the bible describes it accurately, it is a monster, who deserves condemnation, not worship. Any being, deity or mortal that desires, much less demands, worship is not worthy of it.
A god who has watched every child molestation in history and not intervened, but condemns a man to death for sex with a consenting adult man.
This is the God you expect me to somehow find joy or peace in. The monster who could have Thanos'd humanity out of existence and instead decided to drown millions of puppies and kittens.
And actually, the whole world doesn't want to come here. There are plenty of people who wouldn't live here if you paid them. People who have a social safety net so they can leave an abusive employer and not worry about going hungry or getting sick. (weren't you going on upthread about how horrible it is being a wage slave in work or die USA)
Now go troll somewhere else.
I understand that you really need to stop smoking that shit.
That's some serious fückwïttëry right there, stain.
Spewing pro-Nazi shit here isn't the flex you believe it to be, Soft Boi.
Fuck straight off back to Trumpistan.
We can show anti-abortion Christians book, chapter and verse where their god specifically instructs his followers NOT to get tatoos. Let THEM show US where their god forbids abortion. Let them show ANY bit of scripture anywhere in that book that forbids abortion.
Thou shalt not murder
Might want to read your bible a bit more. Your god is quite murderous. According to your own 'holy' book, your god killed 2,821,364. And that's just where the bible has actual numbers. There are no numbers for the great flood, Sodom, the plagues of Egypt, etc. This pushes the estimated total number even higher (24,994,828).
On abortion alone, how many pregnant women died in the great flood (along with infants and children)? How many pregnant women/infants/children died at the hands of god's invading army in Samaria? And Troublesh00ter already pointed out the hideous "Test For an Unfaithful Wife" found in Numbers 5:11-31.
To add:
BTW, William, if you're wondering where I got those totals both bible-backed and estimated, I got them from someone who sat down with the bible and did the research. Here is that link...
dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2010/04/drunk-with-blood-gods-killings-in-bible.html
I take those as a warning. There are rules and if those rules are broken you will be destroyed. If you civilization sins by adultery, my murder, by theft, etc. your civilization will certainly collapse. I don't take most of the Bible literally. The Bible is filled with warnings, you can heed the warnings or not. These warnings are for good reason and can looked at logically and scientifically and yield the same results, ultimately FAFO. I don't know why things function like they do, I'm not God, but that is the way they function. Sodom was filled with the most atrocious of behaviors. They found out. This is just the reality of the world. No matter where you look in history the best means of survival is to act in accordance to biblical principles. Yes I'm familiar with everything you wrote there. The Bible was written by men after all, and men from thousands of years ago. It was also in the same breath written by God. You are thinking too simplistic if you cannot allow these two levels of perception to exist simultaneously. Murder is a commandment by God. If you commit murder will you not suffer? If you steal or commit adultery will you not suffer? Maybe even find yourself in a place that resembles hell?
Your god was created by men. Just like all the thousands of other gods.
Less meth would benefit you.
You say you don't take most of the bible literally. Personally, I don't take it at all, except as a literary reference point, but that makes me ask a question. How do you decide what to take literally and what to take figuratively? Frankly, the creation story is described in Genesis is garbage. Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 contradict each other, and badly so, regarding order of events. The story of the Flood is borrowed from the Epic of Gilgamesh, and most biblical scholars acknowledge this. What's left of the Old Testament that isn't badly conceived laws is equally bad storytelling, very little if any of which is corroborated by any exterior sources.
The earliest mention of Jesus happens 20 years after his putative death with the Pauline letters. There are no contemporaneous records of Jesus' life whatsoever, and anyone who wants to claim that the gospels are reliable, having been written at minimum 40 years after the events described, has never played a game of "Telephone."
Any serious and dispassionate analysis of the bible shows it to be a mess ... which is why I have exactly ZERO regard for it, EXCEPT as literature.
The problem with abortion is that its murdering a baby. When does a baby become a baby exactly? When is a person considered dead? When their heart stops. Why not consider a person alive when their heart starts beating? Is that not a fair question? People say "my body my choice" but is it a new life with its own beating heart not a separate person with the same rights? Isnt it an adult's choice to engage in unprotected sex? Isnt that your body and your choice? I agree its complicated but these arguments are surely valid.
Abortion has nothing to do with "murder", fückwït. Try harder, you're embarrassing yourself.
Tell that to your god, then. Failure to implant (around 40-50% of all fertilized ova) and miscarriages for various reasons account for lost blastocysts, zygotes, embryos and fetuses of a number that would make all the safe, legal abortions in the world look like a drop of water in the Atlantic. That doesn't even mention that the bible actually provides a PROCEDURE for temple- and god-approved abortion. See Numbers 5:11-31.
And spare us your simplistic BS.
Hegseth pisses and moans that "patriots and everyday Americans" are targeted/under attack. No, that will happen on Jan. 20th when his boss starts targeting/going after patriots and everyday Americans....including Christians who don't fall in line.
Couchfucker whines about Hegseth getting 'attacked.' This from a guy who attacked "childless cat ladies."
First step in disenfranchising women. Disenfranchise women without kids.
Well, women with kids are already not enfranchised since their only purpose is whatever kids and husbands need. Women without children actually have some power in society, not being chained to the house (even if mothers work, they’re more easily trapped by domestic labor).
Women who create humans in their womb and raise them to be men and women who create more men and women have no power? I don't see a more powerful creature on the planet. A woman that gives her life to a soulless corporation just to pay taxes and interest while sacrificing the one thing that gives her true power is sad. A woman can tame the most powerful man with a gentle smile, a soft touch, or loving words.
Gross.
We’re not incubators. We’re human beings, with individual interests, drives, and goals.
Working in ways that provide satisfaction to an individual is far better than anything you said here. Denying women the opportunity to find an occupation they derive pleasure and satisfaction is a lack of power. Giving birth is not “true power” it’s just one thing that we can do. The one thing that gives a woman true power, please, it’s the one thing men use constantly to oppress us. They’ve been using it for centuries, millennia, to hold us back while raising their mediocre asses into undeserved positions of power.
And it’s sad you think men are just wild animals that need to be tamed. And of course it’s sex that “tames” them.
Gross.
Rules for thee, not for me. Rule 1 in the totalitarian playbook.
'The alternative, that Hegseth supports the right-wing extremists, is more far-fetched...'
Do you really think that? I would say it is likely that he supports the right wing extremists.
"DEUS VULT" strikes me as being pretty right-wing extreme, and no, I don't think saying so is all that far-fetched at all.
Well it's not like it's Gott Mit Uns. Though maybe he went for the Latin 'as God wills' because the German 'god is with us' was too obvious?
Hell, the second I saw those two words, I Googled them, purely on GPs! As for Latin, that was the RCC's favorite hidey-hole back when.
These days, with folks like us, it don't work so good.
CYA, 'cover your ass' is my guess, maybe why it was phrased that way? It's a wise approach these days.
No, there is no self awareness in the RWNJ base. It’s limited to whether they like ketchup or mustard on their hot dog.
What will happen when they see that Trump’s horrible policies affect them just as badly as those they despise, their anger will just increase against those same people. Instead of owning “the devil made me do it”, it will be our fault for not explaining what a tariff is. 🙄
MSM really could've helped with that, but they didn't. They let everything he said just go right by them, without correcting it. They should hang their heads in shame and when he cancels their publication or channel, they deserve it. (Altho he can't really do it). Cracks me up how he's suing 60 Minutes!
He's suing them because they edited an answer to a question by replacing it with a completely different answer. Is that OK?
Propagating lies seems to be okay for you and the rest of the MAGAts.
They ALREADY KNOW how negatively it affected them during his first reign infesting the White House.
That lesson didn’t stick with them AT ALL.
IF we get public hearings, I want the first Dem question to be: what is the mission statement of your department? Remember when rick Perry didn't know what the department of energy did.
Excellent idea. That should be the first question with EVERY LAST CABINET POST ... PERIOD.
Is "accused of sexual assault" a REQUIREMENT now for Trump appointees?
It's the pedophile party. Lots of them are pedos.
Like who? Name one high profile pedo that isn't related to the Democrat party.
Some asshole in a comment section that goes by the nym of Bill, if I remember right.
Here's one making international news right now. A Republican county commissioner in Indiana running for reëlection was jailed for raping his daughter, the electorate knew it, and they still reëlected him on November 5.
https://www.greenfieldreporter.com/2024/11/14/jessup-takes-plea-deal-in-las-vegas-sexual-assault-case-will-be-sentenced-in-april/
There is a Google Docs page of Republican officials who are convicted of rapes and sexual assaults, updated every five minutes, including links to reports and court cases.
How about Matt Gaetz? About to become Attorney General so he can throw out the charges against himself.
https://docs.google.com/document/u/1/d/e/2PACX-1vTFikAP6MXDCJjWzgMIOvpsT1ji-HwO-rLEvNE8e-cfCGh0YHoZluIG5TEsmwFub7MzIDfh0XgvcWL8/pub
(Right-wing sexual predators list. It will take some time to go through since there are over 3,600 individual entries. I encourage you to read all the newspaper or television reports until you become sickened of the GOP. The list automatically updates every five minutes; that's how prevalent GOP sex crimes are.)
I just read the article and that's not what it says at all. It says he was guilty of sexual assault of a prostitute apparently. It looks like this was after the election. Just not the same. I'm all for the death penalty to rapists in any case, the political party isn't important to me. Just interesting that the left are the ones trying to normalize pedos with all the MAP stuff. Love is love right? What's the plus by the way in lgbtq+? Trump? He was liable in a civil case for sexual assault after 30 years? By an absolute mental case? Interesting also the story seems to follow the exact plot of a law and order episode.. But she just happened to wait until he was running? He goes 70+ years without an issue with the law and the year he's running for office he has 91+ indictments? Yeah that's not suspect at all.. As for Matt Gaetz, I don't know, wasn't it investigated already and no charges were brought forward? If he's guilty he should face the consequences. But are we not still innocent until proven guilty? The left seems to not care about that, or censorship, or peace anymore. Just racism, racism, racism, orange man bad, and other nonsense. Hence why you've lost the election in a landslide. Apparently Americans by and large don't want to be ruled by insanity.
You mean like Donald Trump and Matt Gaetz and hundreds more, (check out that list below), if you wanna know the truth. How dare you support that?
Wow, that's quite an accomplishment you have there. Thank you. It's like the whole GOP is a pedo party. 'Protect the children', my ass.
Like calls to like.
It would seem so.
YES
It is a requirement that the establishment and their media empire discredit anyone in the Trump sphere by any means necessary. But a favorite for them for sure. Projection seems to be their MO. I bet they'll release that Epstein list any day now.
The size of their truck of course. :)
Just because a few pencil-dicked rednecks hang metal testicles off the backs of their trucks doesn't mean they view them as substitutes for their...
Oh. Oh, yeah. I see it now.
“Does the term needle-dick, the bug-fucker mean anything to you?”
"Whenever someone points out a troubling fact about one of Trump’s allies, they will inevitably call it religious persecution, and their gullible, white evangelical base will eat it up because they believe their side can do no wrong."
Stupid wins again.
It works really well for Jews. Try saying something against Jews even if it has nothing to do with their religion. Only recently has the religious right pointed out that Christ is the only figure that can be openly mocked. Try saying something about Muhammad and see what happens. Am I wrong?
Wait, let me call you a waaaaaaaaaaaahmbulance.
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🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕
"god will it," is the excuse all religious people use when they commit atrocities. Pete is no different than any other tyrannical hopeful from the human history of religious atrocities in the name of an imaginary being. A non-existent entity does not justify treating other humans like pawns on a chess board. Hegseth is playing with his own existence when he pretends to have divine authority. I for one, will resist that kind of bullshit at maximum volume.
As with so many other people like Hegseths, he has created a god that agrees with him, with his bigotry and megalomania.
Very convenient.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6ca119ffc634b8c092e5848874d01cbd9b49ef2b96504f628c020acc93ace7f5.jpg
As a religious person, I do support getting rid of tax exempt status for religious groups that don't have a primarily charity mission that serves the general public. Anything can be called a religion & they certainly don't follow separation of church & state.
Yeah yeah 1st amendment or whatever.. You're right! People should not be able to freely speak unless it conforms to your narrow viewpoint. It's "misuse" will "destroy..ideas they don't like\agree with". Do you not see the hypocrisy there? Or do you not care because you've deemed yourself so morally superior that you're " allowed " because the ends justify the means?
Hegseth doesn’t give a damn. That’s exactly the problem. These folks don’t give a thought to others, how they come across, whether they are offending anyone. They care only for themselves and their religious perspective. This attitude is one that constantly tears at the communal fabric of society. It’s not religion per se, but the self indulgent assurance that their religion is right, the only one, and the rest by damned.
Even worse: they can be radical and asinine and act out and GET AWAY WITH IT ... because Trump.
Now do Jews and Muslims.
Until something impacts them, I have little hope the MAGA faithful will have anything like "self-awareness"
That's the way it has been with Republicans since before I can remember. Something PERSONAL has to happen to them before they recognize any issue as being in need of their attention and/or action.
“they will inevitably call it religious persecution, and their gullible, white evangelical base will eat it up because they believe their side can do no wrong.“
It’s less that their side can do no wrong and more our side can do no right, we can make no criticism. But also their side has decided Christianity is not Jesus love and forgiveness, but intolerance, violence and hatred. You ask them to stop and be kind and they’re all shouting persecution.
Deus Vult means shit off brain and empathy and do as I want because I can justify it with divine providence.
Just another appointment from Trump straight from Project 2025 designed to destroy our system of government from within. Don’t be surprised when them checks and balances are all murdered in their sleep.
That's incredibly racist, "..gullible, white evangelist base.." Is there something wrong with white people as a whole? Why feel the need to bring skin color into your commentary?
You do realize the part you quoted was a quote from the article. I was working off the what the article said.
And yes white evangelicals are racist. Not white people as a whole, white evangelicals, it’s an adjective used here to narrow down to specific people who are causing a problem. As opposed to black evangelicals who aren’t being targeted by the folks in charge.
Don’t be so obtuse.
He's not obtuse. He's an acute asshole.
White Evangelicals are racist. OK thanks for the insight. I'll keep that in mind when I meet a white Evangelical in the future. Any other groups I should have prejudices about?