This reckless disregard for human life demonstrates her likely guilt.
Having grown up in a church that did adult baptism, the typical procedure is to dunk the baptisee and bring them back up, not dunk and leave them. The fact that more baptism were carried out while no one even noticed shows that her crime isn't just her negligence, but systemic to her church.
Usually, when we have a case of religion killing someone, it is passive medical negligence of parents praying instead of taking their children to the hospital. For it to be the pastor actively involved in the killing? That's some next level bullshit.
How long did she hold him under? Did he just inhale the water? Wasnβt she aware of his condition while she was touching him? I donβt want to actually see him drown, but I just donβt understand how he did in a baptism in a kiddie pool situation. Nevermind that there were other people coming and going without a momentβs thought of him just floating there. Donβt the baptisms go one at a time? Itβs not like thereβs a bunch of people splashing around all at once and he slipped under the water unnoticed. He was dunked and should have gotten back up right away, the person dunking him should have focused her attention on him until he was safe. I really do not understand how he was just ignored.
Here in the deep south we had something called "Rapid Fire Ministries" advertised on signs for years. (But all before Trump.)
The one time I was curious enough to start to follow, they led to increasingly rural, isolated, heavily forested areas, so I never did learn the "truth" about how "firing rapidly" would get someone into heaven.
How self-obsessed does one have to be to refer to themselves as an "apostle?" It just goes to show you can call yourself whatever the hell you want, and people will believe it.
I mean, it's not as if there's such a thing as the Royal Association of Apostles that has strict criteria for training and qualifications you have to meet before you pay your Β£500 fee to get your official apostle certificate.
My most important takeawayβ¦& why I could no longer participate in my religious cultural traditions: βwhen you assume any harm you cause is just part of Godβs Master Plan.β
Iβll say it again. These are life-denying, life-hating peoples. The sheer callousness of leaving someone motionless (dead) in the water and continuing to perform baptisms afterwards is next level insanity. The mentally ill shouldnβt be in charge of anyone elseβs life ever, period.
I felt safer around the schizophrenic person I encountered in the subway yesterday than I do around the train preachers. At least there is a formula (no eye contact, head down, move slowly but confidently away).
I have little doubt about the existence or even the requirement for a permit for this kind of action. I also have little doubt that if someone did something similar for a secular purpose they would be in a lot of trouble for the lack of permits whether or not someone died.
I don't think that there are any regulations regarding adult baptisms. Usually the thinking is that as the people are adult, they'll know what they're getting themselves into and have got the wherewithal to keep themselves safe.
No but there are regulations for anyone who wants to teach a swim class (yes even for adults) in their back yard. So yes, there are no regulations for baptisms, not because they are adults, but because they are Christian.
I bet that had she stopped the ceremony immediately, called 911, started CPR, etc. then they wouldn't be charging her with manslaughter. *Even if* her sudden dunk caused him to inhale water and die.
The 'gross negligence' here is not merely surprise-dunking someone and having them inhale water. I expect ambulances get called to deal with idiot kids doing that as practical joke every summer. 'Prep and oversight' for such a simple thing isn't really the issue, IMO. It's in her complete callousness/indifference to the guy's condition after, and her prioritizing her show over his condition.
This story just blows me away. I did many baptisms as part of the woo factor of my job. I was a high church mainline pastor (Lutheran /United Methodist) and I mostly just sprinkled babies with sterilized water. I have done adult baptisms from a hot tub in San Francisco to the Buffalo National River. As fraudulent as I felt doing it, I cannot imagine losing track of someone during the ritual! And then her justification makes me furious. I hope the UK justice system throws the book at her!
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A quick Google search of UK manslaughter law shows that she is likely guilty of at the very least involuntary manslaughter.
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This reckless disregard for human life demonstrates her likely guilt.
Having grown up in a church that did adult baptism, the typical procedure is to dunk the baptisee and bring them back up, not dunk and leave them. The fact that more baptism were carried out while no one even noticed shows that her crime isn't just her negligence, but systemic to her church.
Usually, when we have a case of religion killing someone, it is passive medical negligence of parents praying instead of taking their children to the hospital. For it to be the pastor actively involved in the killing? That's some next level bullshit.
Wow. Losing track of a disabled person in a kiddie pool doesn't exactly scream "caring for the least of these."
How long did she hold him under? Did he just inhale the water? Wasnβt she aware of his condition while she was touching him? I donβt want to actually see him drown, but I just donβt understand how he did in a baptism in a kiddie pool situation. Nevermind that there were other people coming and going without a momentβs thought of him just floating there. Donβt the baptisms go one at a time? Itβs not like thereβs a bunch of people splashing around all at once and he slipped under the water unnoticed. He was dunked and should have gotten back up right away, the person dunking him should have focused her attention on him until he was safe. I really do not understand how he was just ignored.
She definitely deserves to be held accountable.
And she will get a proper court case, with all the rules of due process.
It's a helluva lot more care than her victim got.
Religion kills.
It needs to be gone.
"Life Changing Ministries" certainly changed Robert Yap's life.
Here in the deep south we had something called "Rapid Fire Ministries" advertised on signs for years. (But all before Trump.)
The one time I was curious enough to start to follow, they led to increasingly rural, isolated, heavily forested areas, so I never did learn the "truth" about how "firing rapidly" would get someone into heaven.
You mean ended it.
Yup. Was being sarcastic.
How self-obsessed does one have to be to refer to themselves as an "apostle?" It just goes to show you can call yourself whatever the hell you want, and people will believe it.
You all know Iβm the Queen of Sheba. I mean, it is just as believable as that woman being an apostle, probably more useful too.
βAnd I am the Tsar of all the Russias.β
I'm the Grand Poobah!
You said "poo". π€£
Comment.
Oh, life is a glorious cycle of song,
A medley of extemporanea;
And love is a thing that can never go wrong;
And I am Marie of Roumania.
Dorothy Parker: if you havenβt read her, give yourself a treat.
Soon to be "The Apostle of HMP Birmingham."
She might be popular.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/birmingham-prison
Birmingham Prison
Birmingham Prison is a menβs prison in the Winson Green area of Birmingham.
Whoops, my bad. :)
Well wherever she ends up, she can assume the title of "The Apostle of" that jail.
I mean, it's not as if there's such a thing as the Royal Association of Apostles that has strict criteria for training and qualifications you have to meet before you pay your Β£500 fee to get your official apostle certificate.
Not just accepted, untreated.
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Preacher looks like they're delivering a Moe Howard headslap to that congregant.
If it really was, then that rube deserves to have some sense slapped into them.
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Why did 'god' give him Parkinsonβs disease and then let 'god's' chosen parasite drown him?
You expect logic from religion?
No, since it is based on fantasy.
My most important takeawayβ¦& why I could no longer participate in my religious cultural traditions: βwhen you assume any harm you cause is just part of Godβs Master Plan.β
And of course, Reid-Bartley tries to deny that she's to blame. Typical xtian who refuses to take responsibility for their own actions.
Not only did she deny blame, she concocted a fantasy story to make believe that Mr Yap's death was π΄πΆπ±π±π°π΄π¦π₯ to happen.
If it's not the indoctrination, then her empathy circuits are broken.
Iβll say it again. These are life-denying, life-hating peoples. The sheer callousness of leaving someone motionless (dead) in the water and continuing to perform baptisms afterwards is next level insanity. The mentally ill shouldnβt be in charge of anyone elseβs life ever, period.
I felt safer around the schizophrenic person I encountered in the subway yesterday than I do around the train preachers. At least there is a formula (no eye contact, head down, move slowly but confidently away).
I have little doubt about the existence or even the requirement for a permit for this kind of action. I also have little doubt that if someone did something similar for a secular purpose they would be in a lot of trouble for the lack of permits whether or not someone died.
I don't think that there are any regulations regarding adult baptisms. Usually the thinking is that as the people are adult, they'll know what they're getting themselves into and have got the wherewithal to keep themselves safe.
No but there are regulations for anyone who wants to teach a swim class (yes even for adults) in their back yard. So yes, there are no regulations for baptisms, not because they are adults, but because they are Christian.
Have you found any regulations? I am happy to be proven wrong, so please let us know if you find any.
Well, God does indeed work in mysterious ways.
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I bet that had she stopped the ceremony immediately, called 911, started CPR, etc. then they wouldn't be charging her with manslaughter. *Even if* her sudden dunk caused him to inhale water and die.
The 'gross negligence' here is not merely surprise-dunking someone and having them inhale water. I expect ambulances get called to deal with idiot kids doing that as practical joke every summer. 'Prep and oversight' for such a simple thing isn't really the issue, IMO. It's in her complete callousness/indifference to the guy's condition after, and her prioritizing her show over his condition.
All true. Apart from the fact that phoning '911' wouldn't have helped ... it's England.
This story just blows me away. I did many baptisms as part of the woo factor of my job. I was a high church mainline pastor (Lutheran /United Methodist) and I mostly just sprinkled babies with sterilized water. I have done adult baptisms from a hot tub in San Francisco to the Buffalo National River. As fraudulent as I felt doing it, I cannot imagine losing track of someone during the ritual! And then her justification makes me furious. I hope the UK justice system throws the book at her!
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