Cue the religious right to scream persecution! "How dare anyone question what we're doing because we've been divinely sanctioned by Jesus himself!" On the one hand I have some sympathy for the people who get taken to the cleaners by organizations like this, but it also begs the question of why did they ever trust something like this in the first place when religious scams abound and mega-church preacher-grifters steal money by the boatload?
There's a quote: "Did you ever expect a corporation to have a conscience, when it has no soul to be damned, and no body to be kicked?"
Corporations are legal shields to protect the shareholders and the board against the worst possible outcomes. They have to be extremely egregious in order to suffer consequences. It seems they'll mostly suffer from committing fiduciary malfeasance than killing customers. It's the rich that make the laws, after all, and they don't like to be fucked over.
Because it's cheaper than the real McCoy (a doctor who was willing to risk the space-time continuum to spare an old woman dialysis) and they're conditioned to believe Christian = honest. And of course that their money won't be helping "immoral" people do "immoral" things. The last is the only one I can blame them for (and maybe a lack of diligence, but then how many of us really check out the people we do business with)
Because they are brainwashed into gullibility at a young age, many homeschooled to keep them ignorant, and raised in a toxic culture that refuses to give you the tools to escape the cult.
So the state of Oregon is going to hold these HCSMs to account? EXCELLENT! It is entirely past time that such organizations had their proverbial feet held to the fire. We've seen too many stories about church-run businesses being allowed to do whatever they pleased and get off scot-free. This story tells me that SOMEONE has noticed, certainly in the person of Representative Nosse, and my hat's off to him!
Let's hope that 1) this passes and 2) it's the start of a trend!
Which of the several 'Jesi' described in the bible does one pick? Celestial Jesus in the epistles, tormented Jesus in Mark, Rabbi Jesus in Matthew, the Jesus in Luke who is tranquilly awaiting his passion and glory, or Jesus-God in John? And of course there is the after-thought Jesus in Acts and Hallucination-Jesus in Revelation. It is like a cafeteria of Jesi.
It makes total sense as a religious doctrine created by committee. We have factions in the "decides on cannon" committee supporting two somewhat contradictory scriptures, and they are fighting with each other? Propose to put both in - both groups will vote for that.
The OT looks like it had a similar construction. Multiple different versions of the same story or same verses. You get the sense multiple tribes or Rabbis made sure their favorite versions got in.
And I got a week in fb jail for saying to the kkkristers what they so freely say against me. Saying they hate me is okay but saying I am returning the hate they have shown me is not? FUCK YOU zuckerberg.
It's a true test of one's faith in God to rely on prayer for diagnosis and treatment. I say, let every Christian prove to God he or she is worthy of God's love.
In the video (linked below) former NFL player Chris Kluwe speaks out against the current Trump-Musk regime. If this protest is genuine then Kluwe is a bona fide hero for his moral integrity and courage to speak out against a looming dystopia. At the podium Kluwe likens MAGA patriotism to Nazism and is promptly arrested by police - proving his point.
A cynic might question whether this is simply another Government controlled opposition stunt designed to frighten future would-be resistance activists. Either way, Western society must realise by now that human rights lawyers are useless and that the proposed Handmaid's Tale future dressed as Jesus's love is just another variant of common-or-garden jackboot fascism.
Kluwe has been at protest a long time. He was at this council meeting specifically to speak against the council's decision to surreptitiously use the acronym MAGA to describe the city library as Magical, Alluring, Galvanizing, Adventurous.
Only Christian fundamentalists could come up with a system where they take your money and then sit in judgment over your morality before deciding whether you deserve healthcare.
You'd know the company was really channeling Jesus, the loaves and fishes guy, when they can disburse TWO dollars of every dollar of premiums they collect. :)
You know, I cut religious people some slack when they’re like Zen Buddhists and work on themselves instead of preaching at other people. The rest of ‘em? I figure the people at the very top all know it’s a scam and sometimes wonder how far down the hierarchy you have to go before you get to the true believers.
Well, how nice to see a legislator actually introduce a bill that isn’t aimed at forcing religions crapola down anyone’s throat, but actually holds said charlatans to account. I may faint from the logic of it.
Why should Christian health insurance be any different than the Christian religion? There is the real question. Both sell a product that may or may not exist. Christian religion tells you to pray and pay, Christian health insurance tells you to pay and pray. Both are allegedly there when you need them, but then, both are selling a product that may or may not exist, and both will happily take your money. Both tell you you’re better than other people, except for those people, because you’re not better than them if you are one of them.
As we’ve already learned many times, those pushing the Bible aren’t any more moral than those who are not pushing the Bible. You would almost wonder why any Christian organization at all needs any kind of regulation from anyone, seeing how moral they are because they read their ancient book of wonders.
Pay no attention to that man behind the altar boy! Pay no attention to that man with his hands in your pocket.
It should also require the con men to admit that the only thing that happens when they yell, "HEAL! HEAL! HEAL!" is that their pet dog runs into the room and sits down...
Goddammit. I thought I made a witty comment earlier today but now I don’t see it. Can you all give me the benefit of the doubt so I can just have another bourbon? Thanks!
I don't think we hate it per se, but it's way bigger than earth or any other planet. Deport him and his small dick energy* to space and it'll be way harder to notice him.
*With thanks and much appreciation to Greta Thunberg
Cue the religious right to scream persecution! "How dare anyone question what we're doing because we've been divinely sanctioned by Jesus himself!" On the one hand I have some sympathy for the people who get taken to the cleaners by organizations like this, but it also begs the question of why did they ever trust something like this in the first place when religious scams abound and mega-church preacher-grifters steal money by the boatload?
I love it. Doubtless that they WILL scream bloody murder for being forced to actually DO what they are supposed to: SERVE THEIR CUSTOMERS!
It's getting so an indecent religious conman can't run an indecent scam anymore! 🤪
As if we needed another reason to avoid all things relgious.
True enough. Would that we could tell them that and actually expect them to listen! [sigh]
To be fair, even non-faith-based insurance companies aren't that different.
At least they come under state regulation and have legal liabilities.
'obligations' .. legal obligations would be a better phrase.
There's a quote: "Did you ever expect a corporation to have a conscience, when it has no soul to be damned, and no body to be kicked?"
Corporations are legal shields to protect the shareholders and the board against the worst possible outcomes. They have to be extremely egregious in order to suffer consequences. It seems they'll mostly suffer from committing fiduciary malfeasance than killing customers. It's the rich that make the laws, after all, and they don't like to be fucked over.
That is the only reason Bernie Madoff got punished, he ripped off the rich!
UHC case in point.
While I think there are better ways to submit a complaint, I suspect that all other avenues have been exhausted, so I can't disagree with it.
Same, although if he were going that route he could have started at the very top. IYKWIM.
I think the screaming that will occur is the con-CEOs screaming to Trump, who will then abolish all regulations regarding such corporations.
Because it's cheaper than the real McCoy (a doctor who was willing to risk the space-time continuum to spare an old woman dialysis) and they're conditioned to believe Christian = honest. And of course that their money won't be helping "immoral" people do "immoral" things. The last is the only one I can blame them for (and maybe a lack of diligence, but then how many of us really check out the people we do business with)
"I did my own research."
Earlier: "Faith-based? Take my money."
The appeals process calls for alot of prayers. With no receipt. What's not to love about this scam?
Hit dog hollers.
Because they are brainwashed into gullibility at a young age, many homeschooled to keep them ignorant, and raised in a toxic culture that refuses to give you the tools to escape the cult.
So the state of Oregon is going to hold these HCSMs to account? EXCELLENT! It is entirely past time that such organizations had their proverbial feet held to the fire. We've seen too many stories about church-run businesses being allowed to do whatever they pleased and get off scot-free. This story tells me that SOMEONE has noticed, certainly in the person of Representative Nosse, and my hat's off to him!
Let's hope that 1) this passes and 2) it's the start of a trend!
I said, what does God need with health insurance anyway?
Jim!
C'mon, Bones, I heard praying was enough.
Seriously, just cover people's costs from the Church coffers, it's what Jesus would've done.
Jesus MIGHT have healed them. On the other hand, he might have cast their demons into pigs, only to watch them commit mass suicide.
With Jesus, you really can never tell!
Which of the several 'Jesi' described in the bible does one pick? Celestial Jesus in the epistles, tormented Jesus in Mark, Rabbi Jesus in Matthew, the Jesus in Luke who is tranquilly awaiting his passion and glory, or Jesus-God in John? And of course there is the after-thought Jesus in Acts and Hallucination-Jesus in Revelation. It is like a cafeteria of Jesi.
I've said it many times: when the bible can't settle on a side to support but espouses multiple sides, its credibility goes out the window.
It makes total sense as a religious doctrine created by committee. We have factions in the "decides on cannon" committee supporting two somewhat contradictory scriptures, and they are fighting with each other? Propose to put both in - both groups will vote for that.
The OT looks like it had a similar construction. Multiple different versions of the same story or same verses. You get the sense multiple tribes or Rabbis made sure their favorite versions got in.
That kind of thinking is fine ... right up to the point where an external party has a look and goes, "What The Actual FUCK???"
And as to your first statement:
𝐴𝑛𝑑 𝑤𝑒 𝑎𝑙𝑙 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 ℎ𝑒𝑎𝑟𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑎𝑦𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑖𝑠 𝑡𝑟𝑢𝑒 𝑎𝑠 𝑤𝑒𝑙𝑙 𝑎𝑠 𝑤𝑖𝑡𝑡𝑦 / 𝑇ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑎 𝑐𝑎𝑚𝑒𝑙 𝑖𝑠 𝑎 𝐻𝑂𝑅𝑆𝐸 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑤𝑎𝑠 𝑑𝑒𝑠𝑖𝑔𝑛𝑒𝑑 𝑏𝑦 𝑎 𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑚𝑖𝑡𝑡𝑒𝑒!
-- Allan Sherman, Peter and the Commissar
After hour 12, it's just say yes so we can break for lunch.
And I got a week in fb jail for saying to the kkkristers what they so freely say against me. Saying they hate me is okay but saying I am returning the hate they have shown me is not? FUCK YOU zuckerberg.
It's a true test of one's faith in God to rely on prayer for diagnosis and treatment. I say, let every Christian prove to God he or she is worthy of God's love.
We'll be rid of religion soon enough!
In the video (linked below) former NFL player Chris Kluwe speaks out against the current Trump-Musk regime. If this protest is genuine then Kluwe is a bona fide hero for his moral integrity and courage to speak out against a looming dystopia. At the podium Kluwe likens MAGA patriotism to Nazism and is promptly arrested by police - proving his point.
A cynic might question whether this is simply another Government controlled opposition stunt designed to frighten future would-be resistance activists. Either way, Western society must realise by now that human rights lawyers are useless and that the proposed Handmaid's Tale future dressed as Jesus's love is just another variant of common-or-garden jackboot fascism.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ex-vikings-punter-chris-kluwe-145010591.html
Kluwe has been at protest a long time. He was at this council meeting specifically to speak against the council's decision to surreptitiously use the acronym MAGA to describe the city library as Magical, Alluring, Galvanizing, Adventurous.
The actual MAGA slogan is also on the plaque.
Only Christian fundamentalists could come up with a system where they take your money and then sit in judgment over your morality before deciding whether you deserve healthcare.
judgment of everyone is godly. Just ask it.
𝐶𝑎𝑙𝑖𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑛𝑖𝑎 𝑜𝑛𝑐𝑒 𝑠𝑢𝑒𝑑 𝑎𝑛 𝐻𝐶𝑆𝑀, 𝑐𝑙𝑎𝑖𝑚𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑖𝑡 “𝑟𝑜𝑢𝑡𝑖𝑛𝑒𝑙𝑦 𝑑𝑒𝑛𝑖𝑒𝑑 𝑐𝑙𝑎𝑖𝑚𝑠 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑠𝑝𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑗𝑢𝑠𝑡 16 𝑐𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑦 𝑑𝑜𝑙𝑙𝑎𝑟 𝑖𝑛 𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑚𝑖𝑢𝑚𝑠 𝑜𝑛 ℎ𝑒𝑎𝑙𝑡ℎ 𝑐𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑒𝑥𝑝𝑒𝑛𝑠𝑒𝑠.” 𝐵𝑦 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑡𝑟𝑎𝑠𝑡, 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐴𝑓𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑑𝑎𝑏𝑙𝑒 𝐶𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝐴𝑐𝑡 𝑟𝑒𝑞𝑢𝑖𝑟𝑒𝑠 (𝑙𝑒𝑔𝑖𝑡𝑖𝑚𝑎𝑡𝑒) ℎ𝑒𝑎𝑙𝑡ℎ 𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑢𝑟𝑎𝑛𝑐𝑒 𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑝𝑎𝑛𝑖𝑒𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑠𝑝𝑒𝑛𝑑 𝑎𝑡 𝑙𝑒𝑎𝑠𝑡 80 𝑐𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑦 𝑑𝑜𝑙𝑙𝑎𝑟 𝑜𝑛 𝑒𝑥𝑝𝑒𝑛𝑠𝑒𝑠.
You'd know the company was really channeling Jesus, the loaves and fishes guy, when they can disburse TWO dollars of every dollar of premiums they collect. :)
𝐿𝑒𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑖𝑡 𝑡𝑜 𝑎𝑛 𝑜𝑟𝑔𝑎𝑛𝑖𝑧𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑟𝑒𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑛𝑜𝑛-𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑔𝑖𝑜𝑢𝑠 𝐴𝑚𝑒𝑟𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑛𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑚𝑜𝑡𝑒 𝑙𝑒𝑔𝑖𝑠𝑙𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑚𝑒𝑎𝑛𝑡 𝑡𝑜 𝑘𝑒𝑒𝑝 𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑎𝑛𝑠 ℎ𝑜𝑛𝑒𝑠𝑡 𝑏𝑒𝑐𝑎𝑢𝑠𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑜𝑠𝑒 𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑎𝑛𝑠 𝑐𝑎𝑛’𝑡 𝑑𝑜 𝑖𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑚𝑠𝑒𝑙𝑣𝑒𝑠.
I hope this passes, and becomes a model nationwide. Those lying liars for Jesus can't help but lie. Keeping them honest is a full time job.
Christian healthcare is an oxymoron.
And if the godthing is so hotsy-totsy, believers would be the healthiest people on the planet.
Scammers using religion to beat people out of their hard-earned money? Say it ain’t so.
Isn't that pretty much the definition of religion to begin with? 😁
You know, I cut religious people some slack when they’re like Zen Buddhists and work on themselves instead of preaching at other people. The rest of ‘em? I figure the people at the very top all know it’s a scam and sometimes wonder how far down the hierarchy you have to go before you get to the true believers.
Religious people who don't bother other people. Wouldn't that be nice?
Should I start bother you ? 🤣
You are never a bother.
Yet.
#TaxChurches Tax All Churches. There is no Sky Daddy, & the bible is a work of fiction.
Well, how nice to see a legislator actually introduce a bill that isn’t aimed at forcing religions crapola down anyone’s throat, but actually holds said charlatans to account. I may faint from the logic of it.
Rarity read this article and couldn't believe that common sense was still being used. This was her reaction
youtu.be/E6NwZ12Hfyk
Why should Christian health insurance be any different than the Christian religion? There is the real question. Both sell a product that may or may not exist. Christian religion tells you to pray and pay, Christian health insurance tells you to pay and pray. Both are allegedly there when you need them, but then, both are selling a product that may or may not exist, and both will happily take your money. Both tell you you’re better than other people, except for those people, because you’re not better than them if you are one of them.
As we’ve already learned many times, those pushing the Bible aren’t any more moral than those who are not pushing the Bible. You would almost wonder why any Christian organization at all needs any kind of regulation from anyone, seeing how moral they are because they read their ancient book of wonders.
Pay no attention to that man behind the altar boy! Pay no attention to that man with his hands in your pocket.
“ … Both sell a product that may or may not exist. …”
Schrödingers religion?
Schrödingers medicine?
You won’t know whether eternal life is real until you die. Too late to do anything about it.
You won’t know whether the health insurance is good until you need it. Too late to do anything about it.
Edit: Added a bit
Yes to all.
It should also require the con men to admit that the only thing that happens when they yell, "HEAL! HEAL! HEAL!" is that their pet dog runs into the room and sits down...
Fuck you so called Christian Health Care providers. Fuck you up the backside AND GO OUT OF BUSINESS YOU FUCKING SCAMMERS!!!!
Goddammit. I thought I made a witty comment earlier today but now I don’t see it. Can you all give me the benefit of the doubt so I can just have another bourbon? Thanks!
Have two.
Or one bourbon, one scotch and one beer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDf0IwXoOmY you gotta post a link to the song.
I figured the song was already in everyone's head. And if it wasn't before it sure is now. :)
Ahem 🤣
Almost everyone. :)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J7bf2i9deGQ
I got whiskey and cigarette but not sure what else he is asking for.
Dolled up women, the younger the better
Tiny swords.
Little chicks – probably wouldn't fly today. No pun intended. 😇
Do you really have to egg me one ?
Have two on me. hic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKc_Ej8RiVs
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/tens-of-thousands-sign-petition-to-revoke-elon-musk-s-canadian-citizenship/ar-AA1zGG7o?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=0b99a18c3b57427d9f680b6bd49eead7&ei=19
OT but woohoo!
Didn't know he was Canadian. Now there are two options for deportation.
Hell, I would want to deport him from the planet earth.
You and me both.
Why do you hate outer space? ;)
I don't think we hate it per se, but it's way bigger than earth or any other planet. Deport him and his small dick energy* to space and it'll be way harder to notice him.
*With thanks and much appreciation to Greta Thunberg
Let's send him to Sagittarius A.
If I were Canadian, I sure as hell wouldn't want him back! 😝
Sorry Canada, it's either Musk or Ted Cruz. Ya gotta pick one.
I like the way you think!
I know two people who may be interested, if they didn't sign it already.