The judges temporarily halted a Christian Nationalist curriculum that downplays systemic racism, spreads election lies, and pretends the Bible is history
Ryan Walters is a dangerous fool on a crusade to destroy public education in his state, all of it justified by his religion. Oklahoma ranks near the bottom in public education, and everything Walters is advocating will only make things worse. It is NEVER the job of the public schools to backstop Christianity.
Y'know, I probably had less religion thrown at me in 13 years of Catholic school than some public schools are trying to promote today. . Amusingly, I was taught enough critical thinking that when I had to take Apologetics in high school, the arguments never convinced me, though I mouthed back the wanted answers and complied in tests. Didn't want a failing grade on my record!
It would seem as though Oklahoma is not without some semblance of common sense as regards dealing with religion in schools. The 5-2 decision by the state supreme court is a pretty strong statement that Walters has once again overstepped the boundaries of State / Church separation with his attempts to inject the bible into Oklahoma school curricula. Clearly and emphatically good news.
My only question would be: why wasn't it a 7-0 ruling?
Anyway, this infatuated need to register, regulate, legally implement, make law, etc, etc, should be for survival of the fittest & take place no prisoners exploit what and who you can, unregulated capitalism which is destroying minds and the social fabric and democracy of the US. It's this that's causing the youth to feel despondent and lacking hope because it's being held up as virtuous and mixed with 'Christianity' to the extent that many cannot tell the difference or why paradoxically on one hand it's ambition at the expense of others and getting more things while waving a flag that is important. While on the other hand, usually hidden behind the back, its material & social contentment and humility and foot washing plus mutural respect for others that's supposed to matter most. 😕
“the court "is embarrassing and clearly is out of step with Oklahomans."”
That is what the court is supposed to do. It’s not supposed to change with the wind, reflect the people, but it is supposed to follow the laws laid out by the USA constitution and the Oklahoma constitution. The majority (which I think even claiming the majority of Oklahomans support your stupid standards is spurious, at best) does not get to define the minority’s rights. The Supreme Court should not be making decisions, nor should legislatures for that matter, based on the whims of the loudest bigots of the time. There’s no way to run a state or country by changing laws Willy nilly like that.
Hey Walters! Maybe you should consider the idea that everything you try to do to force Christianity into the schools being blocked by the courts isn't persecution or anti-Christian hatred. Maybe you should consider the fact that forcing Christianity is wrong.
He shouldn't feel so bad, given how Trump has turned his back on those who have helped him in the past (both of his administrations). There's a trail of wreckage in shatttered lives and ruined careers in Trump's wake.
Walters is so sold out to his magic book that I suspect he couldn't even consider such a thought. For what I can see, he's full of himself to the Nth degree, and self-examination or self-criticism simply isn't on the menu.
That would required introspection, self reflection, and being honest with yourself, all things that are a sin according to religion. Religion requires it followers to have ignorance, unquestioning faith, blind obedience (to the clergy and their leaders) and get/keep adherents at all cost (preaching, indoctrination, and by the threat of violence or actual violence).
I made this same remark almost 10 minutes ago and my comment disappeared.
The bible is more of a headstone of Western civilation, given all the terror, horror and blood that has been shed in the name of Christianity over nearly 2 millennia.
Among other things. His overarching anger comes from the fact that he isn't getting a rubber stamp from them the way his lord and savior Der OrangeFührer does. He thinks that as the tip official for Oklahoma schools he should be able to force them all to do everything he says exactly as he says. As it turns out, even the far right assholes on his state supreme court still recognize that no one in this country should have that much power.
Hallelujah and amen, Walters got his ass temporarily handed to him. Maybe his god is as fucking sick and tired of him as we are. You’d think he’d take the hint.
I have a fishing related shirt with a lot of fish images. The background is part of a map, repeated many times around the shirt. The words Gulf of Mexico appear about 20 times spread around front, back and sleeves. I've been wearing the shirt more frequently lately. 😀
Oops! My mistake. I was actually referring to Ken Paxton having multiple affairs rather than Ryan. Sorry about that. Ryan does look at porn though whether he wants to admit it or not.
Unfortunately, even if the lower court rules a lot of his stuff is unconstitutional trash, that part of the standards will likely stick. Yes it's culture-war-y, but there he can say he wants Oklahoma to follow the federal government's naming conventions.
This is the Oklahoma supreme court. It deals with matters of Oklahoma state law. If other states have different state laws, different things will be legal.
However, I personally think it's more likely that you're just spouting baloney on this point. I'm sure some private Christian publications do what you claim, but that's not "other states."
This is the history standards. Teaching Christianity per se and teaching conservative values are not relevant. American exceptionalism should be taught as one view of history amongst several. Like how we teach how the doctrine of manifest destiny influenced 1800s U.S. expansion policy. It is totally fine in a history class to teach "some people believe in American exceptionalism, and during our history that belief has led to these actions." But it is simply not a part of a history class to demand "all of you students ought to believe in American exceptionalism."
Ryan Walters is a dangerous fool on a crusade to destroy public education in his state, all of it justified by his religion. Oklahoma ranks near the bottom in public education, and everything Walters is advocating will only make things worse. It is NEVER the job of the public schools to backstop Christianity.
Killah wants to turn OK into a mini Idiocracy. Next he'll be shilling Brawndo.
Y'know, I probably had less religion thrown at me in 13 years of Catholic school than some public schools are trying to promote today. . Amusingly, I was taught enough critical thinking that when I had to take Apologetics in high school, the arguments never convinced me, though I mouthed back the wanted answers and complied in tests. Didn't want a failing grade on my record!
You mean The Republican Party.
"Ryan Walters is a dangerous fool". Why is it that all of the current dangerous fools in the US are all repub's ?
Because the Democrats wouldn't touch them with a ten meter clown pole?
It would seem as though Oklahoma is not without some semblance of common sense as regards dealing with religion in schools. The 5-2 decision by the state supreme court is a pretty strong statement that Walters has once again overstepped the boundaries of State / Church separation with his attempts to inject the bible into Oklahoma school curricula. Clearly and emphatically good news.
My only question would be: why wasn't it a 7-0 ruling?
Once again? He stepped so far past that line that he needs to come back before it counts as overstepping.
Goose stepping.
Jawohl!
A bridge too far or a bridge not far enough? 🤔
Anyway, this infatuated need to register, regulate, legally implement, make law, etc, etc, should be for survival of the fittest & take place no prisoners exploit what and who you can, unregulated capitalism which is destroying minds and the social fabric and democracy of the US. It's this that's causing the youth to feel despondent and lacking hope because it's being held up as virtuous and mixed with 'Christianity' to the extent that many cannot tell the difference or why paradoxically on one hand it's ambition at the expense of others and getting more things while waving a flag that is important. While on the other hand, usually hidden behind the back, its material & social contentment and humility and foot washing plus mutural respect for others that's supposed to matter most. 😕
9-0. 2 dissented and 2 recused themselves.
Perhaps they should report it as 5-2-2?
Hemant only counted the judges that voted for the 5-2 ruling. The two judges who dissented are mentioned at the end of the paragraph.
Want to find a true danger to children? Look no further than Ryan 'Child Killer' Walters.
“the court "is embarrassing and clearly is out of step with Oklahomans."”
That is what the court is supposed to do. It’s not supposed to change with the wind, reflect the people, but it is supposed to follow the laws laid out by the USA constitution and the Oklahoma constitution. The majority (which I think even claiming the majority of Oklahomans support your stupid standards is spurious, at best) does not get to define the minority’s rights. The Supreme Court should not be making decisions, nor should legislatures for that matter, based on the whims of the loudest bigots of the time. There’s no way to run a state or country by changing laws Willy nilly like that.
Die mad about it, you sadistic scumbag.
Hey Walters! Maybe you should consider the idea that everything you try to do to force Christianity into the schools being blocked by the courts isn't persecution or anti-Christian hatred. Maybe you should consider the fact that forcing Christianity is wrong.
He STILL hasn't grasped the fact that all the virtue signalling he's doing won't get him that coveted position in Trump's cabinet.
It's so mean he is being ignored by fat boy.
He shouldn't feel so bad, given how Trump has turned his back on those who have helped him in the past (both of his administrations). There's a trail of wreckage in shatttered lives and ruined careers in Trump's wake.
It remains a mystery why anyone thinks Trump would ever stand by them if it was against his immediate self interest.
It still might. Resignations to spend more time with family are surely in the offing with Trump Admin officials.
That would involve actual cognitive activity, not the knee jerk emotional response MAGATS are known for.
Walters is so sold out to his magic book that I suspect he couldn't even consider such a thought. For what I can see, he's full of himself to the Nth degree, and self-examination or self-criticism simply isn't on the menu.
That would required introspection, self reflection, and being honest with yourself, all things that are a sin according to religion. Religion requires it followers to have ignorance, unquestioning faith, blind obedience (to the clergy and their leaders) and get/keep adherents at all cost (preaching, indoctrination, and by the threat of violence or actual violence).
“"They’re ignoring the fact that in other states the Bible is openly taught as the cornerstone of Western civilization," he said.”
No it’s not.
I made this same remark almost 10 minutes ago and my comment disappeared.
The bible is more of a headstone of Western civilation, given all the terror, horror and blood that has been shed in the name of Christianity over nearly 2 millennia.
Yes, what the fuck was that nonsense? They should call him on that, and say name them.
The Holy Babble isn't even a product of Western civilisation, FFS. It's a bunch of bronze age myths from the Middle East.
𝐻𝑒’𝑠 𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑏𝑎𝑏𝑙𝑦 𝑚𝑎𝑑 𝑏𝑒𝑐𝑎𝑢𝑠𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑎𝑚𝑒 𝑐𝑜𝑢𝑟𝑡 𝑎𝑙𝑠𝑜 𝑠ℎ𝑜𝑡 𝑑𝑜𝑤𝑛 ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑠𝑐ℎ𝑒𝑚𝑒 𝑡𝑜 𝑜𝑝𝑒𝑛 𝑢𝑝 𝑎 𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑔𝑖𝑜𝑢𝑠 𝑐ℎ𝑎𝑟𝑡𝑒𝑟 𝑠𝑐ℎ𝑜𝑜𝑙 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑡𝑎𝑥𝑝𝑎𝑦𝑒𝑟 𝑓𝑢𝑛𝑑𝑠.
Among other things. His overarching anger comes from the fact that he isn't getting a rubber stamp from them the way his lord and savior Der OrangeFührer does. He thinks that as the tip official for Oklahoma schools he should be able to force them all to do everything he says exactly as he says. As it turns out, even the far right assholes on his state supreme court still recognize that no one in this country should have that much power.
To quote Nelson Muntz: "HA-HA!"
Hallelujah and amen, Walters got his ass temporarily handed to him. Maybe his god is as fucking sick and tired of him as we are. You’d think he’d take the hint.
Victory for the children for now. Hoping this dumbass doesn't get reelected.
Since Hemant didn't included it this time. The Oklahoma SC is divided as follow :
6 named by a Republican Governor :
Rowe, Winchester, Darby, Kane, Kuehn, Jett
3 by a Democratic one : Edmondson, Combs, Gurich.
Source : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_Supreme_Court
"They’re ignoring the fact that in other states the Bible is openly taught as the cornerstone of Western civilization,"
Without source and context, it's baseless bullshit.
Getting slapped down repeatedly by the Oklahoma Supreme Court is a pretty clear indicator about who the extremist is. Ryan, look in the mirror.
Chew toy a little lower in the thread if you are in the mood for playing.
Booted by Hemant.
I wonder why.
*Whistle.
Guess he'll have to wait for a different school year to begin indoctrinating the permanent underclass.
School's out for summer, school's out for ever.
You tell ‘em, Alice.
We don't need no education..,
Pink Floyd would like a word.
We don’t need no stinking badges either!
(Not really applicable but what the hell)
Badges don't stink, you're thinking of skunks...
That's a line from the 80's western movie "Young Guns".
For the love of God remove Ryan Walters 🩶🤍
And Ryan Walters is now known to have engage in adulterous affairs.
And BTW, it is The Gulf of MEXICO! Not The Gulf of America!
The Gulf of America is located between Trump's ears.
Typically, a gulf has water in it. All Trump has between his ears is a vacuum.
See number 2.
1. A deep inlet of the sea almost surrounded by land, with a narrow mouth.
2. A deep ravine, chasm, or abyss.
Trump is #2
I have a fishing related shirt with a lot of fish images. The background is part of a map, repeated many times around the shirt. The words Gulf of Mexico appear about 20 times spread around front, back and sleeves. I've been wearing the shirt more frequently lately. 😀
“ And Ryan Walters is now known to have engage in adulterous affairs.”
?
We never know, those barnyard animals are not talking!
Oops! My mistake. I was actually referring to Ken Paxton having multiple affairs rather than Ryan. Sorry about that. Ryan does look at porn though whether he wants to admit it or not.
https://www.joemygod.com/2025/07/christian-nationalist-oklahoma-schools-chief-ryan-walters-busted-with-porn-on-his-office-tv-video/
Ah, thank you for clearing that up. I thought I might be having memory issues!
Unfortunately, even if the lower court rules a lot of his stuff is unconstitutional trash, that part of the standards will likely stick. Yes it's culture-war-y, but there he can say he wants Oklahoma to follow the federal government's naming conventions.
"𝑇ℎ𝑒𝑦’𝑟𝑒 𝑖𝑔𝑛𝑜𝑟𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑓𝑎𝑐𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑖𝑛 𝑜𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑠𝑡𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐵𝑖𝑏𝑙𝑒 𝑖𝑠 𝑜𝑝𝑒𝑛𝑙𝑦 𝑡𝑎𝑢𝑔ℎ𝑡 𝑎𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑐𝑜𝑟𝑛𝑒𝑟𝑠𝑡𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑊𝑒𝑠𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑛 𝑐𝑖𝑣𝑖𝑙𝑖𝑧𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛," ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑎𝑖𝑑.
This is the Oklahoma supreme court. It deals with matters of Oklahoma state law. If other states have different state laws, different things will be legal.
However, I personally think it's more likely that you're just spouting baloney on this point. I'm sure some private Christian publications do what you claim, but that's not "other states."
"𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑎𝑛𝑖𝑡𝑦, 𝐴𝑚𝑒𝑟𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑛 𝑒𝑥𝑐𝑒𝑝𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛𝑎𝑙𝑖𝑠𝑚, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑠𝑒𝑟𝑣𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑣𝑒 𝑣𝑎𝑙𝑢𝑒𝑠 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑢𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑟 𝑎𝑡𝑡𝑎𝑐𝑘 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑂𝑘𝑙𝑎ℎ𝑜𝑚𝑎 𝑆𝑢𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑚𝑒 𝐶𝑜𝑢𝑟𝑡 𝑖𝑠 𝑙𝑒𝑎𝑑𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑎𝑠𝑠𝑎𝑢𝑙𝑡
This is the history standards. Teaching Christianity per se and teaching conservative values are not relevant. American exceptionalism should be taught as one view of history amongst several. Like how we teach how the doctrine of manifest destiny influenced 1800s U.S. expansion policy. It is totally fine in a history class to teach "some people believe in American exceptionalism, and during our history that belief has led to these actions." But it is simply not a part of a history class to demand "all of you students ought to believe in American exceptionalism."
No one should believe in American exceptionalism.
I think, as a general observation, that we are exceptionally arrogant. YMMV.
Absofuckinglutely.
The arrogance is in direct proportion to their lack of cognition, the higher the arrogance, the lower the cognitive ability.
Especially under trump.
Omniscient, omnipotent God can't seem to control the judges. And he doesn't have his own publishing company.
Let's not let these pesky facts ruin what Ryan Walters is doing to bring God back into the classroom. You know: makin' 'Murica great 'gain.
“The standards also violated a rule that the material be accurate and age-appropriate.”
Now how will Oklahoma children learn about the wholesome family values of Lot and his daughters in Genesis 19:30-38?
Studies show posting bible verses has totally eliminated adultery in every kindergarten class.
Except in the south where some of the kindergarteners are past puberty.
I dunno. When I was in kindergarten, we had “nap” time every day.
My kid had a gf in kindergarten. Then a different one in 1st grade. Clearly I needed to scare him with the threat of hell more.
That was the scourge of our time.
That's what Sunday School is for. : )