I'm a lot older than Walters and at least as well educated. I never took a class that involved the Bible from kindergarten through graduate school. He's attempting to put a book 'back' where it never was in the first place for the overwhelming majority of public school students. Religious extremists like Walters will always see their particular brand of supernatural nonsense as the solution to every question, while remaining oblivious to the fact his state that ranks near the bottom in education is, overwhelmingly, the work product of believers.
It's bizarre to me that I've met more atheists than Christians who've taken the time to actually read it, hell, it's more or less how many of them became atheists. Though for myself, I was raised Catholic, as a child, I stopped being a "believer" about the same time I stopped believing in Santa.
I don't say this to be glib, for many years, I *tried*, and kind of went along to get along, but eventually I reached the conclusion that "belief" cannot be forced, you either have it, or you don't. In any case, it was disingenuous for me to go on that way. I am of the school of thought of Thomas Paine on this, though not a "deist" either, as he was, ie:
"Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what one does not believe."
True, I grew up reading that guy's books too, my dad used to trade SF books with someone he worked with, and passed them down to me. Always suspected he just went to church for my mom's sake, but wasn't really a believer himself.
I took 'Literature of the Bible' for my senior English credit. it was well taught by a crusty old English professor who had us read comparable stories in other religious texts. I was interesting, well-taught and not designed to make you into a christian... everything Ryan Walters would despise.
I had a minor in Religious Studies in college (academic study of religion) that required two languages, study of two religious traditions, and classes in anthropology, as well as survey courses. I was a bit ahead of my classmates, as I'd already read the entire Bible twice (the Douay catholic version at age 8-9, and the King James at 13), so most of the NRSV at college was familiar. I also took a graduate-level seminar of the Bible in modern Hebrew translation. My second tradition was Hinduism and Buddhism, and required much the same amount of study. I honestly doubt that many of these christian nationalists have studied anything approaching what I did, *nor do they want to*! They would be shocked at some of the stories I could tell about those classes, and the discussions of mythology, witchcraft, mystery religions, and more that went on. They just want little robot kids, not critical thinkers.
In high school, same taught by a British/Greek/Jewish professor who was an Oxford grad. The course was called ‘Great Books’ - Old Testament (specifically Job), Gilgamesh Epic, Beowulf - then we argued our heads off…
I took a Bible as Lit class in college. No religion allowed, strictly on the merits of the prose. My teacher was a crusty old guy too who would not tolerate any religious bullshit
Yet, how many of you in their 70's or older here had a religious education (DM included ? And how many of you deconverted sometimes as early at 8 years old (Bagat or NOGODZ) ?
My question, to the nun in 2nd grade, was "Where is heaven and where is hell?" She pointed to the ceiling and said "Heaven is up there" and then pointed to the floor and said "Hell is down here." Now, I was born in the morning but not *that* morning. Even at age 7, I knew the world was round! So I asked if heaven was in outer space and if hell was in Australia. Got kicked out of class, the first of many times, for "asking inappropriate questions."
My mother went to catechism from whichever age it starts to around 13* years old. For her confirmation, her grandfather (hard-core atheist) even set foot in the church for a whole minute 🤣
And she ended up an Atheist.
*Once she reached that step, her grandmother told her she had now the choice to continue to go to church or not. She stopped, but her deconversion started several years later.
Oh, yeah. Catechism (catholic Sunday School) from ages 5-17. Cussed out the bishop who was confirming me at age 11. (I didn't know it at the time but he was a molester.) Ran away at 17, in part to ditch the religious nonsense. My 5 younger siblings were all unbelievers by age 11 as well. Moral of that story: forced religion only makes kids either resentful or dumb-as-rocks, take your pick.
I am a Norwegian in my 60ies. At the regular school we learned about the biggest religions on earth. We visited a church and a synogoge and a moské. My parents never went to church unless a relatives had died or got married or baptised. I got religius at 20 and stopped 10 years later.
We heard about mostly christianity and islam, and only in History. Nothing about judaism because ancient history was limited to Greece, Rome, Gaule and Egypt (not the Empire, just the core territory around the Nile).
I had religious education, including Catechism. which was based on memorizing Martin Luther's catechism. This was done in a special building called a "church".
0% of this education came at the public schools I attended. I have been to Oklahoma. I saw lots more churches than schools, there!
I went to a secondary school run by nuns. One of the classes was ‘religious education’ , and it was education, not prosetelysing. It was NOT christian indoctrination. One year I swapped over to the class taught by the minister and he didn’t do any Christianising either. He just taught us like any other teacher - we read original sources and discussed them in class. Or we discussed the relationship between various events and similar. (It was a class on the - rather complex - relationship between Christianity and Judaism. And yes, christian antisemitism was included.)
As regards your other question, no, I have not ‘deconverted’ but I am a bit lapsed these days.
Secular education. I have asked to go to catechism and if I had, I think she would have accepted but only if it was on Wednesdays*. I was in a boardschool since first grade and I had classes the Saturday morning from first to fifth grade, so she didn't get a lot of time with me.
* Wednesdays afternnoon were for club activities like cooking, theatre, sewing (the costumes for the theatre club), computer use initiation etc, half of the year and swimming or dance for the other half.
The Sunday school materials he’s looking for are generally not quality materials that engage students. Rote memorization is their standard and has been found to be lacking in educational merit. Mostly, the materials are often not age appropriate, but in the opposite way Walters discusses with his “age appropriate materials”. The Sunday school type materials are dumbed down, and not even challenging enough for preschoolers to get anything worthwhile out of.
Even without the blatant unconstitutionality of this request, it is a huge disservice to the students.
And, sorry, but how can you be taken seriously when you say you are a trying to instill values and ethics while throwing values and ethics out the window. This goes way beyond hypocrisy.
“2.2.4 Describe why people from various places and cultures have migrated to the United States (e.g., improved quality of life, economic opportunities, individual freedom).”
Yeah, be sure to include plenty of information about how and why 12.5 million BLACK AFRICANS were "migrated" in chains to the Americas and bred as less-than-human beasts of burden for generations, and how and why uncountable NATIVE AMERICANS were "migrated" by bullets, guns, and plagues off their homelands to just die and rot unburied on the prairies or to enjoy their "improved quality of life" and "economic opportunities" on desolate land that at the time nobody else wanted.
Oh, you have already prepared your hollow rationalizations for NOT including any of that in your FAIRY TALE about 'Merica? That means that you know your omissions are purely for racist and revisionist reasons. Spare us the nausea.
Complicating this is also the fact that many bible stories are moral examples only in the negative sense that a moral person should absolutely NOT emulate Iron Age persons.
How many times was wanker told "NO!" ? It's confirmed, not only he is fundamentalist, but he is a, going out of the closet, masochist.
"and certainly the foundational documents of the country, were not influenced by Christianity."
Au contraire, it's because they were influenced as children by christianity, that they rejected it as adults when US and England went on their separate way.
You know that I admire your mastery of the English language. But, sometimes you come up with things that are technically correct, but end up being adorable. Going out of the closet is correct English, but the idiom is coming out of the closet.
I am so glad you are part of the international community gathered here.
Sadly, he's one more indoctrinated fool who figured out that he can gain power and influence by using the Christian Nationalist playbook to his advantage.
Unfortunately, he will likely have to be spanked in court a few times before he realizes that his little scheme isn't gonna work.
One of the biggest issues I have with the current MAGA/Christian Nationalist crowd (aside from their lying, cheating, and general lack of worthwhile virtues) is the way they very specifically are not supporters of US law. These people have claimed for years now that they are the 'law and order' party of the nation, yet when a law is even marginally in their way, they ignore it. That's not supporting the US or its laws, that's 'my way or the highway' and quite honestly the worst sort of authoritarianism.
Ryan Walters is nothing more than a Christian bully trying to use his religion as a blunt instrument to force the rest of the world to dance to his tune. This behavior has of late been the defining characteristic of the MAGA Republican, and it's never been patriotic despite what some might want to claim. Trump is not king of the US, and Ryan Walters certainly isn't part of Trump's 'royal' court; it's past time they stopped acting like they are.
To Childkillah Walters: Jeez dude, the answer is NO!
(if you're wondering about the "Childkillah" reference: Click on rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ryan_Walters and scroll down/click on "The death of Nex Benedict")
Walters is one of those people who simply doesn't know when to quit. The problem is that, being that this is Oklahoma (for the umpti-umpth time!), he figures that eventually he'll get traction.
I'd like to see the lesson plans for this one: 24 When Saul’s servants told him what David had said, 25 Saul replied, “Say to David, ‘The king wants no other price for the bride than a hundred Philistine foreskins, to take revenge on his enemies.’” Saul’s plan was to have David fall by the hands of the Philistines. From Samuel 18:24-26 And David did it - killed 200 men and sliced off their foreskin and carried it back to the king - ewww. https://thebrickbible.com/legacy/david_vs_saul/david_mutilates_200_gets_married/1s18_27b.html
"Christian propaganda" Oklahoma, MAGA cult country with no end in sight. Their Lord Trump likes to play America as a country ideology. Starting with the Gulf of America.
IMO not going to be satisfied until all the Americas are one nation under MAGA.
Anymore, I feel only contempt for these fools actually buying this bulolshit. Now that god is finally aware 1700 years later, will it stop the rapes? LOL
Since this took omniscient god 1700 years to see this, has it ever heard any prayers yet? Obviously not since it could not hear the screams of little kids.
IIRC, evey contract requires withholding signature.. Any violation would be on the state, not the taxpayer. The taxpayer never sees the money and has no c0ntrol over it.
I'm a lot older than Walters and at least as well educated. I never took a class that involved the Bible from kindergarten through graduate school. He's attempting to put a book 'back' where it never was in the first place for the overwhelming majority of public school students. Religious extremists like Walters will always see their particular brand of supernatural nonsense as the solution to every question, while remaining oblivious to the fact his state that ranks near the bottom in education is, overwhelmingly, the work product of believers.
Never mind the fact that he's clearly never read the Bible, OR the writings of the founders.
At best, he's cherry picked the magic book in the attempt to validate the conclusions he began with.
Retired clergy here. Cherry picking is the best anyone can do when dealing with the bibble.
It's bizarre to me that I've met more atheists than Christians who've taken the time to actually read it, hell, it's more or less how many of them became atheists. Though for myself, I was raised Catholic, as a child, I stopped being a "believer" about the same time I stopped believing in Santa.
I don't say this to be glib, for many years, I *tried*, and kind of went along to get along, but eventually I reached the conclusion that "belief" cannot be forced, you either have it, or you don't. In any case, it was disingenuous for me to go on that way. I am of the school of thought of Thomas Paine on this, though not a "deist" either, as he was, ie:
"Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what one does not believe."
"Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived." -- Isacc Asimov
Nothing will convince me the genuine word of God would be something subject to never-ending debate.
True, I grew up reading that guy's books too, my dad used to trade SF books with someone he worked with, and passed them down to me. Always suspected he just went to church for my mom's sake, but wasn't really a believer himself.
Certainly elicited a “holy shit” from me as a teenager…
Male dominance and crazy assedness
I took 'Literature of the Bible' for my senior English credit. it was well taught by a crusty old English professor who had us read comparable stories in other religious texts. I was interesting, well-taught and not designed to make you into a christian... everything Ryan Walters would despise.
I had a minor in Religious Studies in college (academic study of religion) that required two languages, study of two religious traditions, and classes in anthropology, as well as survey courses. I was a bit ahead of my classmates, as I'd already read the entire Bible twice (the Douay catholic version at age 8-9, and the King James at 13), so most of the NRSV at college was familiar. I also took a graduate-level seminar of the Bible in modern Hebrew translation. My second tradition was Hinduism and Buddhism, and required much the same amount of study. I honestly doubt that many of these christian nationalists have studied anything approaching what I did, *nor do they want to*! They would be shocked at some of the stories I could tell about those classes, and the discussions of mythology, witchcraft, mystery religions, and more that went on. They just want little robot kids, not critical thinkers.
In high school, same taught by a British/Greek/Jewish professor who was an Oxford grad. The course was called ‘Great Books’ - Old Testament (specifically Job), Gilgamesh Epic, Beowulf - then we argued our heads off…
I took a Bible as Lit class in college. No religion allowed, strictly on the merits of the prose. My teacher was a crusty old guy too who would not tolerate any religious bullshit
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Indoctrination.
That's fundamentalist Christianity's stock in trade.
Getting to kids before they're reached the age of reason is how religious institutions survive.
Yet, how many of you in their 70's or older here had a religious education (DM included ? And how many of you deconverted sometimes as early at 8 years old (Bagat or NOGODZ) ?
Life-long atheist here. I saw through the bullshit in Sunday school when I was 8. I asked my Mom when I was 4 'if god made everyone, who mede god?'.
My question, to the nun in 2nd grade, was "Where is heaven and where is hell?" She pointed to the ceiling and said "Heaven is up there" and then pointed to the floor and said "Hell is down here." Now, I was born in the morning but not *that* morning. Even at age 7, I knew the world was round! So I asked if heaven was in outer space and if hell was in Australia. Got kicked out of class, the first of many times, for "asking inappropriate questions."
It is amazing to me how any adult would not know that there is no such a thing as an "inappropriate question".
Ah, with me it was the dinosaurs if they ruled the earth for ages, why doesn't the bible mention them? Same result and I never went back.
I had 13 years of catholic education (K-12). For some reason, the indoctrination didn't take. Yippee!
My mother went to catechism from whichever age it starts to around 13* years old. For her confirmation, her grandfather (hard-core atheist) even set foot in the church for a whole minute 🤣
And she ended up an Atheist.
*Once she reached that step, her grandmother told her she had now the choice to continue to go to church or not. She stopped, but her deconversion started several years later.
Oh, yeah. Catechism (catholic Sunday School) from ages 5-17. Cussed out the bishop who was confirming me at age 11. (I didn't know it at the time but he was a molester.) Ran away at 17, in part to ditch the religious nonsense. My 5 younger siblings were all unbelievers by age 11 as well. Moral of that story: forced religion only makes kids either resentful or dumb-as-rocks, take your pick.
I am a Norwegian in my 60ies. At the regular school we learned about the biggest religions on earth. We visited a church and a synogoge and a moské. My parents never went to church unless a relatives had died or got married or baptised. I got religius at 20 and stopped 10 years later.
We heard about mostly christianity and islam, and only in History. Nothing about judaism because ancient history was limited to Greece, Rome, Gaule and Egypt (not the Empire, just the core territory around the Nile).
I had religious education, including Catechism. which was based on memorizing Martin Luther's catechism. This was done in a special building called a "church".
0% of this education came at the public schools I attended. I have been to Oklahoma. I saw lots more churches than schools, there!
Ok, I’ll answer:
I went to a secondary school run by nuns. One of the classes was ‘religious education’ , and it was education, not prosetelysing. It was NOT christian indoctrination. One year I swapped over to the class taught by the minister and he didn’t do any Christianising either. He just taught us like any other teacher - we read original sources and discussed them in class. Or we discussed the relationship between various events and similar. (It was a class on the - rather complex - relationship between Christianity and Judaism. And yes, christian antisemitism was included.)
As regards your other question, no, I have not ‘deconverted’ but I am a bit lapsed these days.
Secular education. I have asked to go to catechism and if I had, I think she would have accepted but only if it was on Wednesdays*. I was in a boardschool since first grade and I had classes the Saturday morning from first to fifth grade, so she didn't get a lot of time with me.
* Wednesdays afternnoon were for club activities like cooking, theatre, sewing (the costumes for the theatre club), computer use initiation etc, half of the year and swimming or dance for the other half.
70+Here.... You nailed it!
Only 44 🤣
The Sunday school materials he’s looking for are generally not quality materials that engage students. Rote memorization is their standard and has been found to be lacking in educational merit. Mostly, the materials are often not age appropriate, but in the opposite way Walters discusses with his “age appropriate materials”. The Sunday school type materials are dumbed down, and not even challenging enough for preschoolers to get anything worthwhile out of.
Even without the blatant unconstitutionality of this request, it is a huge disservice to the students.
And, sorry, but how can you be taken seriously when you say you are a trying to instill values and ethics while throwing values and ethics out the window. This goes way beyond hypocrisy.
Hypocrisy is the scaffolding the Republican platform is built on.
He insist about this a Lot, while doing a piss poor Job to get interesting materials.
He isn't Abel to find any material at all.
Is there anyone who Cain ?
Esaw no one else around!
Another one of this lying fanatic's "standards":
“2.2.4 Describe why people from various places and cultures have migrated to the United States (e.g., improved quality of life, economic opportunities, individual freedom).”
Yeah, be sure to include plenty of information about how and why 12.5 million BLACK AFRICANS were "migrated" in chains to the Americas and bred as less-than-human beasts of burden for generations, and how and why uncountable NATIVE AMERICANS were "migrated" by bullets, guns, and plagues off their homelands to just die and rot unburied on the prairies or to enjoy their "improved quality of life" and "economic opportunities" on desolate land that at the time nobody else wanted.
Oh, you have already prepared your hollow rationalizations for NOT including any of that in your FAIRY TALE about 'Merica? That means that you know your omissions are purely for racist and revisionist reasons. Spare us the nausea.
Complicating this is also the fact that many bible stories are moral examples only in the negative sense that a moral person should absolutely NOT emulate Iron Age persons.
How many times was wanker told "NO!" ? It's confirmed, not only he is fundamentalist, but he is a, going out of the closet, masochist.
"and certainly the foundational documents of the country, were not influenced by Christianity."
Au contraire, it's because they were influenced as children by christianity, that they rejected it as adults when US and England went on their separate way.
I suspect that Walters is spending too much time with his fingers in his ears, shouting, "LALALALA, I can't HEAR YOU!" at the top of his lungs.
Or something closely equivalent.
Off with his fingers.
And his head up his ass!
You know that I admire your mastery of the English language. But, sometimes you come up with things that are technically correct, but end up being adorable. Going out of the closet is correct English, but the idiom is coming out of the closet.
I am so glad you are part of the international community gathered here.
Bonne soiree, mon amie!
The frustrating thing is a man in charge of Education for a state can be so uneducated to actually believe Barton's bullshit.
Sadly, he's one more indoctrinated fool who figured out that he can gain power and influence by using the Christian Nationalist playbook to his advantage.
Unfortunately, he will likely have to be spanked in court a few times before he realizes that his little scheme isn't gonna work.
But then you look at Trump’s “cabinet” and see they are all (including Trump) are uneducated, incompetent, and unsuitable.
One of the biggest issues I have with the current MAGA/Christian Nationalist crowd (aside from their lying, cheating, and general lack of worthwhile virtues) is the way they very specifically are not supporters of US law. These people have claimed for years now that they are the 'law and order' party of the nation, yet when a law is even marginally in their way, they ignore it. That's not supporting the US or its laws, that's 'my way or the highway' and quite honestly the worst sort of authoritarianism.
Ryan Walters is nothing more than a Christian bully trying to use his religion as a blunt instrument to force the rest of the world to dance to his tune. This behavior has of late been the defining characteristic of the MAGA Republican, and it's never been patriotic despite what some might want to claim. Trump is not king of the US, and Ryan Walters certainly isn't part of Trump's 'royal' court; it's past time they stopped acting like they are.
👏🏼👏🏼
This child molesting groomer AGAIN?
To Childkillah Walters: Jeez dude, the answer is NO!
(if you're wondering about the "Childkillah" reference: Click on rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ryan_Walters and scroll down/click on "The death of Nex Benedict")
Walters is one of those people who simply doesn't know when to quit. The problem is that, being that this is Oklahoma (for the umpti-umpth time!), he figures that eventually he'll get traction.
Here's hoping his tires are bald!
He likes this word as much as Aria, but unlike him she was cute when she pouted.
Just in from the meme machine. PLEASE do NOT send this.
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Hahahaha, I’ve posted that one too.
Suzanne Titkemeyer opened her newsletter today with the following observation:
"What do howler monkeys and good Christian patriarchs have in common? Tiny balls and ridiculously loud voices!'
https://withstrangefire.substack.com/p/woman-be-silent
Stolen and reposted.
I'd like to see the lesson plans for this one: 24 When Saul’s servants told him what David had said, 25 Saul replied, “Say to David, ‘The king wants no other price for the bride than a hundred Philistine foreskins, to take revenge on his enemies.’” Saul’s plan was to have David fall by the hands of the Philistines. From Samuel 18:24-26 And David did it - killed 200 men and sliced off their foreskin and carried it back to the king - ewww. https://thebrickbible.com/legacy/david_vs_saul/david_mutilates_200_gets_married/1s18_27b.html
These are U.S kids. You'd have to explain what a foreskin is even to most of the boys.
That has been cut from the curriculum.
Depends on the circumcision.
There's a film out now about David and Goliath. At least according to my You-tube feeds. I wonder if it mentions foreskins.
Do someone needs to get stoned to watch it ?
"Christian propaganda" Oklahoma, MAGA cult country with no end in sight. Their Lord Trump likes to play America as a country ideology. Starting with the Gulf of America.
IMO not going to be satisfied until all the Americas are one nation under MAGA.
God Bless America?
Can't wait, in MAGA We Trust? Pure entertainment!
Murican version of "Panem and circenses" without the bread and with a bloody clown and his unhinged pet at its head.
Donnie isn't Leon's pet, Donnie is his hand puppet.
Wonder how many casinos he'll bankrupt there.
He bankrupted casinos surrounded by successful casinos that didn't have the Trump name on them.
god's failure of omniscience. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Just how far beyond ludicrous can these idiots go? Answer: I think the distance is measured in light-years.
Parsecs.
Anymore, I feel only contempt for these fools actually buying this bulolshit. Now that god is finally aware 1700 years later, will it stop the rapes? LOL
Since this took omniscient god 1700 years to see this, has it ever heard any prayers yet? Obviously not since it could not hear the screams of little kids.
Payback...
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"Governor Janet Mill to Trump: "See you in court." Makes me proud to be a Maine man. Thank you, Governor, for standing up to the bully."
-- Stephen King, from his tweet dated Feb. 21st, 2025
Governor Mills appears to be willing to play hardball. About all I have to say to that is, YOU GO, GIRL!!!
Reminds me of a slogan from a few years back: "No taxation without representation!"
You're older than you look
And I feel older than I am.
The problem is that would fuck over the taxpayers. The IRS would go after them, not Maine.
IIRC, evey contract requires withholding signature.. Any violation would be on the state, not the taxpayer. The taxpayer never sees the money and has no c0ntrol over it.
Sales tax or withholding tax?