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π‘†π‘œ 𝐼 π‘€π‘Žπ‘›π‘‘ π‘‘π‘œ π‘šπ‘Žπ‘˜π‘’ π‘ π‘’π‘Ÿπ‘’ 𝑀𝑒'π‘Ÿπ‘’ π‘‘π‘’π‘Žπ‘β„Žπ‘–π‘›π‘” 𝑖𝑑 π‘ π‘π‘’π‘π‘–π‘“π‘–π‘π‘Žπ‘™π‘™π‘¦.

Mr Bullard:

What do you mean by "specifically"? I suspect you intend the bible to be taught as though the public school classroom is an extension of the Sunday school classroom. Otherwise, why would you object to having "some pink-haired person who doesn't believe in God" teaching it?

I know you are aware that such a stance violates the Establishment Clause. I just think that you don't care about the Establishment Clause. You just want everyone free to be whatever denomination of white evangelical Christianity they wish, as long as it lines up with your demands for power and control.

You, sir, are un-American.

oraxx's avatar

People like this can never get their heads around the fact that, under the U.S. Constitution, rights are not matters of majority rule. They exist to protect the individual from the tyranny of the majority.

Tinker's avatar

Isn't it funny though how they like majority rule when they can manipulate a majority of Americans through their faith but don't like it when they push a bit too far and people catch on to their con?

xenubarb's avatar

At this point, I can see only a couple of choices here:

Try to ban "unbelievers" from teaching entirely. This will open up a yuge can o' worms! Or...

Don't teach your Goatherds' Guide to the Galaxy in public schools, and keep it in your private religious schools and churches.

Or, I guess you could draw from the pool of "chaplains" you're trying to replace educated counselors with to teach your superstitious nonsense.

Only one of these choices is viable and won't receive opposition. Guess which one!

Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

Or it’s the goat turds’ guide to the galaxy.

Bill Wilson's avatar

Hence the need for a towel.

Ethereal Fairy's avatar

as a longtime nudist, I always know where my towel is.

Straw's avatar

You are forcing me to read those Galaxay books again. How will I survive?

cdbunch's avatar

Sadly, they'll all receive opposition, the second option has been the choice for 60 years, and they're still fighting for the other two.

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Ethereal Fairy's avatar

Yes. That is why they are so against abortion. Children become more precious and there are more people watching out for them, so they don't get stuck in religious day-care.

NOGODZ20's avatar

Skip the Unholy Babble and have the kids read Thomas Paine's "Common Sense" and "The Age of Reason." Or anything by Paine.

Unlike the bible, Paine detested the cruelty of slavery.

painedumonde's avatar

(⁠≧⁠▽⁠≦⁠) squuueeeeeee !

oraxx's avatar

Religious extremists of all stripes will always see their religion as the solution to every problem. This is just a local presentation of that mentality in Oklahoma. A state that ranks near the bottom in education. When their magic book fails to produce their desired results, that failure is invariably written off to the efforts of people who were not TRUE Christians. True Christians as defined by them. Before the Bible is forced into the public schools, I would suggest people pushing this idea should get all their fellow Christians on the same page, because the Bible spawned the most factionalized religion on the planet.

Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

You’re right but you’re also wrong. They will blame the failure on those that are not true Christians, but they don’t really believe that their form of Christianity is the solution to any problem. Their form of Christianity is the solution to their lack of power over others problem. They don’t care if the education system works, if it creates a vibrant educated society, they only care if they can make money while other people suffer. They don’t care if the health system functions, if they can get care and people they don’t like can’t, that’s good for them.

Sko Hayes's avatar

They are definitely NOT interested in a vibrant, educated society. Not Oklahoma.

If kids are starving, at least they know Jesus. If women are dying from untreated miscarriages, at least they knew Jesus.

Here's Governor Stitt's big accomplishment for the week:

"We’ve been DOGE-ing in Oklahoma before it was cool.

Our department of mental health just sent an agency wide memo banning pronouns in email signatures. Five employees resigned on the spotβ€” sayonara!"

oraxx's avatar

My grand daughter and her husband are both OU alums. They loved the university, but couldn't get out of Oklahoma fast enough once they graduated.

Sko Hayes's avatar

Smart people. There's no future for kids there. The schools are worse than terrible.

Richard S. Russell's avatar

Last I heard (a couple of years ago) over 45,000 and counting. Every time there's some kind of doctrinal dispute over "the most perfect book ever written, inspired start to finish by infallible, omniscient power of God himself", the losers walk off in a huff and found their own denomination. This probably happens at least weekly.

oraxx's avatar

I have long contended that the staggering number of Christian sects should be a much bigger problem for believers than it is. It speaks directly to a God who supposedly willed the universe into existence, but when it came to the most important message imaginable, . . . couldn't make himself understood.

Sko Hayes's avatar

I live in a town with 3000 people. We have 17 churches here. The little nutball sects come and go.

Straw's avatar

My county has 63 000 inhabitants and seven churches. It is twice as many as we* need.

Most Norwegians never visits churches unless a friend is getting married or buried.

*I don't need any churches.

cdbunch's avatar

I want to get married at Disney World. Or at least I did before DeSantis turned Florida into a sub-tropical hellhole only fit for the gators.

xenubarb's avatar

We got a Disneyland in California too, yanno. But I hear that it's horribly overcrowded on most days, overpriced, long lines, a vast disappointment.

Straw's avatar

Husband and I married in a church in 1987, because I believed I was a christian. He wasn't and isn't. I'm not a xian anymore and hasn't been since last millennia.

The party was fun, but it would have been fun without the church thing too.

Ethereal Fairy's avatar

I thought you were going to say since you found out he did it.

Ethereal Fairy's avatar

That sounds heavenly, pun intended.

oraxx's avatar

I live in the burbs of north Dallas. The DFW metroplex is approaching nine million, and I wouldn't even venture a guess at the number of churches here. lol

Sko Hayes's avatar

We actually had one little church run out of town after about 6 months. I think the so-called pastor was ogling too many little girls, ALLEGEDLY.

Bill Wilson's avatar

The most perfect book, IMHO, is the β€˜The Highway - Reflections On The Tao Te Ching’ by Ram Dass (Richard Albert)

Richard S. Russell's avatar

When it comes to books, we all have our faves, but hardly any of us persecute, shun, harass, rob, mutilate, torture, or murder the people who disagree with our choices. Such reactions seem to be the exclusive province of religions. Not all of them, granted, but why are there ANY?

Stephen Brady's avatar

The last count I read had it at over 43,000 different and largely mutually incompatible sects...

oraxx's avatar

In my view, the more important question is, 'Why are there even two?'

Theresa's avatar

Because people don't believe exactly as I do, so they're obviously not and never have been Christians. πŸ™„

Obviously I'm being sarcastic, but I have heard that a lot lately, from different people who sincerely believe it. Of course, they don't believe as the others ....

It's funny, watching them twist themselves into knots, until I remember that they vote and hold jobs with responsibility. Some of them I shudder at. I feel sorry for their children.

Ethereal Fairy's avatar

Because Joseph Smith wanted to bone little girls, and so do many other nasty sorts.

xenubarb's avatar

They still haven't managed to explain how more prayer and Jebus would eradicate school shootings, considering mass shootings have happened on Sunday mornings, in churches.

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Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

Her not voting anymore is a good thing.

Ethereal Fairy's avatar

Yup I wish most of the hatriots, would not vote they always fuck things up.

cdbunch's avatar

When I first saw "pink-haired", I thought he was talking about Kat, the Jell-o Heaven lady. But I see he's a "long-haired, 'freaky' people need not apply" type of boy.

Religious test to be a public school teacher, huh? He should really *READ* the Constitution before he starts trying to legislate how it's to be taught.

NOGODZ20's avatar

Here, we'll even help him: Article 6, Clause 3.

There's also that bit about No Establisment of Religion in the 1st Amendment.

Straw's avatar

An amendement does not count. Thought you knew that silly.

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Straw's avatar

I am glad you wrote that after I had gone to bed or I would not have slept at all.

larry parker's avatar

I was going to say "there's some Creedence to your comment" but Signs is by the Five Man Electrical Band and not CCR. I'm embarrassed.

wreck's avatar

Must of been a Bad Moon Rising.

Zizzer-Zazzer-Zuzz's avatar

There's a bathroom on the right.

Crowscage's avatar

That was the name of the album. The band name was Tesla. The only Tesla in existence that I appreciate.

larry parker's avatar

The original is from 1971. Tesla covered it in 1990.

Crowscage's avatar

Both damned good. I rotate them through my playlist from time to time.

xenubarb's avatar

LOL, she was the first thing that came to mind when I read "pink hair."

NOGODZ20's avatar

I think we all thought it was a reference to Jell-O Brain. :)

Shayla Dawn's avatar

Bullard is the true Jell-O Brain.

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Ethereal Fairy's avatar

She's married to one of the band guys from Journey.

Troublesh00ter's avatar

𝐼 π‘‘π‘œπ‘›'𝑑 π‘€π‘Žπ‘›π‘‘ π‘ π‘œπ‘šπ‘’ π‘π‘–π‘›π‘˜-β„Žπ‘Žπ‘–π‘Ÿπ‘’π‘‘ π‘π‘’π‘Ÿπ‘ π‘œπ‘› π‘€β„Žπ‘œ π‘‘π‘œπ‘’π‘ π‘›'𝑑 𝑏𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑒𝑣𝑒 𝑖𝑛 πΊπ‘œπ‘‘ π‘‘π‘œ π‘ π‘‘π‘Žπ‘Ÿπ‘‘ π‘‘π‘Ÿπ‘¦π‘–π‘›π‘” π‘‘π‘œ π‘‘π‘’π‘Žπ‘β„Ž π‘‘β„Žπ‘’ 𝐡𝑖𝑏𝑙𝑒.

Oh, of course not ... because they might teach about ALL of the bible: the violence, the incest, the misogyny, the scapegoating, all those things that they quite purposefully DON'T cover during "Bible Study" on Wednesday evenings. Teach the bible like THAT and a teacher could find him or herself with a bunch of atheists in their class!

[so maybe there WAS a bit more to say! 😁]

Matri's avatar

The donkey sex…

Troublesh00ter's avatar

Yeah ... there's ALWAYS Ezekiel 23:20, ain't there? 😁

Ellen Barry's avatar

One thing these pushy Bible thumpers fail to acknowledge is the stubborn rebelliousness of teens. I was raised in a family that was immersed in Catholic belief. Seven kids, mom was head of Ladies Auxiliary, dad was chief lecturer, all brothers altar boys. Of seven, only one claims the faith. None of us go to church. We saw the hypocrisy in our own home.

xenubarb's avatar

I dipped out at age 13. It all just seemed so wrong, meaningless, pointless and silly.

Ethereal Fairy's avatar

Probably because it is?

Dianne Marie Leonard's avatar

Ditto my family. We all ditched the whole thing at age 11-13, and none of us are catholics now. One of my sisters had a brief fling with Russian Orthodoxy (less than 2 years), and one of my brothers is a Zen Buddhist, but the rest are of the "don't care" or "leave me alone about it" or other variety of atheist. We all got to more or less the same place in our own way, and all describe ourselves differently. The same is true of my five nieces and one nephew. The last time any of us went to church was Jan 20, 2009, for my mother's funeral, and none of us had gone since 1970 (me) or 1980 (my youngest brother.) The priest at mom's funeral thought he had a sympathetic audience; he found out otherwise when he tried to get us to pray during the after-burial lunch. He seemed rather taken aback by the audible giggles and snores from all the atheists in the room.

PollyProletariat's avatar

'Pink haired' is code for LGBT+.

He doesn't want LGBT+ people or atheists to exist. He needn't worry as Trump's Christian fascists and the Heritage Foundation are working on it. Once trans people have been exterminated the rest of the acronym will fall like dominoes and the Handmaid's Tale will be installed.

No one heeded the warnings from LGBT+ or their allies about these attacks extending to women, because: 'they're just deviants', right?

See the proposed 'SAVE Act' and how it will be used to ban American women who are married from voting and from having a bank account. In fact, just read The Handmaid's Tale.

Bill Wilson's avatar

Pink - Also code for socialist.

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PollyProletariat's avatar

Yes. Legal attacks on women are ramping up to a dystopian level. The clock is spinning backwards in blur -

https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/1iqynde/living_in_daily_fear_of_women_being_denied_bank/

Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

β€œSince I have been in [the legislature], I have fought to force our teachers to…”

That is not the job of the legislature. The job of the legislature is to protect the rights of all citizens and residents of the state, not to force anyone to do anything. Using the word force is antithetical to the constitution you are so cavalier about lying about. It’s antithetical to the idea and the culture of the USA itself. All aspects of the bill of rights is about restricting the government’s power over the people to make them do things or keep them from doing protected things. Forcing teachers to teach the Bible in your specific religion is even expressly forbidden in the first part of the first amendment, which shows us how important not forcing religion on people was to the folks who wrote the constitution. It was their top priority.

So, his bs quotes still will not get him what he wants because the reality of the thing is he is wrong. And the hair color of the people teaching this lesson is irrelevant. As is their beliefs. Facts require no faith.

Bill Wilson's avatar

Forcing people to behave is the way of the psychopath. A psychopath’s wet dream is using their power to enslave people to their narcissistic will. The U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights was a bulwark against this enemy of human kindness. In Federalist No. 51, James Madison set out the challenge he and his colleagues faced in writing the Constitution. He wrote, β€œIn framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: You must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself.” The GOP/MAGA is has abdicated CONTROL. The GOP Congress and Senate stand by as the Psychopath Of The United States enslaves all of us.

xenubarb's avatar

No "pink haired atheists?"

What about pink haired lunatics that claim they've been to Heaven?

Bullard, meet Katt Kerr... the pink haired, self-proclaimed "prophetess" who's giving your religion a ridiculous affect with her delusional nonsense! https://www.kingdomlearning.life/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Kat-Kerr-1.jpg

Troublesh00ter's avatar

Bullard is lucky he knows his ass from his elbow. Meanwhile, courtesy of Hemant, we probably know more offbeat Christian characters than he can dream of!

Troublesh00ter's avatar

Sad, yet utterly predictable. Bullard, like so many other Christians of his stripe, are remarkably incurious. They operate mostly in their own lanes, and while he refers to Walters, I would wonder how far his network of such people reaches.

I could be wrong here, but my guess would be: not that far.

NOGODZ20's avatar

Christians insisting a book that they themselves don't read or follow be forced on every child, Christian or no.

Believers are desperate. They know their numbers are dwindling and that it's getting harder and harder to rope in adults with their superstition, so go after the kiddies. Christians are predators.

NOGODZ20's avatar

The first thing I thought when I saw the headline was "I don't want the bible taught in public schools at all."

Sen. Bull Lard's just another groomer for the godthing.

Whitney's avatar

Some days I think honesty is Christian kryptonite.

I find it disturbing how the group of people who insist they are morally superior to the average apparently need it explained to them that 𝑙𝑦𝑖𝑛𝑔 π‘‘π‘œ π‘β„Žπ‘–π‘™π‘‘π‘Ÿπ‘’π‘› is neither moral nor honest and no amount of Jesus-stamping approval will change that. This sort of thing is making it very clear who these people really are and just how far they're willing to go to get their way. Oklahomans better wake up soon, or they'll find people like Bullard teaching their version of Christianity to the kids regardless of any parental objections, and he's not doing it out of the kindness of his heart.

KaijaJo's avatar

Here’s an idea - unless you send your kid to private religious schools ON YOUR DIME- we dont teach religion in schools. Separation of church and state. If you want to teach the Bible you have your home and your church to do that - do it daily if you like. Leave the rest of us who don’t believe in indoctrination alone

Has anyone ever thought about the fact the religious right is always worried about indoctrination ( trans people , gay people, etc)? My opinion it’s because that is their world - indoctrination is all they know because their churches indoctrinate them. Church should be uplifting encourage Community compassion and love where all are welcome and also be accepting of those that don’t want to join . Not what I see - I see them trying to create a cult for $$ it’s big business - it’s a CULT

Just look to the Middle East If you want to see what happens when religious fervor takes control and bastardizes the meaning of the scripture.

Perhaps we are already here in America? Humans are the dumbest animals on the planet-

Troublesh00ter's avatar

Problem is, since, as you say, indoctrination is all they know, they want free rein to indoctrinate anyone anywhere as they please. This comes out of their own insecurity about their faith and their near-complete intolerance of any opinion other than their own. Alternative views of religion cause cognitive dissonance in them, about which they have NO IDEA how deal, thus the unwillingness to allow or even consider a marketplace of ideas.

And now they have Trump to bulwark their POV and their beliefs, which just made things here in the US that much more dangerous.

xenubarb's avatar

I had a weird experience the other day. My super duper religious cousin came down, we went out to lunch at a bbq joint down the hill. When the food came, she said grace. And I've been away from that sort of nonsense for so long, it kinda threw me for a loop. WTF is she doing, lol! But I finally, FINALLY got to say the prayer from Boondock Saints, and she didn't get the meaning behind it at all. Amusing! "And shepherds we shall be, for thee, my lord, for thee..." Yeah sounds great until you realize it's the prayer they recite before executing pimps, drug dealers and Mafia dons, lol.

KaijaJo's avatar

Couldn’t agree more.

Bill Wilson's avatar

Not dumb, just merely malignantly useless. Strive to be beneficently useful and if that is too hard then just be beneficently useless.

Bensnewlogin's avatar

The original intent that he is so concerned about was to separate church and state.

The original intent that he is so concerned about is enshrined in the words β€œa well ordered militia”.

The original intent that he is so concerned about is that Negroes are 3/5 of a person but only for purposes of power in the state legislatures.

And of course, as I’m sure other people have noted already, there are no mentions of God in the constitution, and only two mentions of religion – both of them in negative contexts.

Aaron Waddell's avatar

Funny - I've met an awful lot of pink-haired Christians.

NOGODZ20's avatar

Once again, Bullturd...

There are only 7 key founders. That is to say, the 7 founders who most shaped our secular government. Five of them were Deists, not Christians. One was a Christian when his faith was convenient (he otherwise ignored it) and the last one was the only orthodox Christian.

Gonna quote from the majority of those 7 founders? They didn't have much good to say about your religion.