Xtians piss and moan about their children being "groomed" somehow by all the people they don't like. But this latest move by GOP xtians to push their religion into public schools clearly shows who the true groomers are.
The religious right keeps trying to force the Ten Commandments into the public school classrooms as if they are something this country was founded on. Funny, but the Constitution never mentions them, and eight of them would be unconstitutional should anyone try writing them into law. I'm yet to understand what they think posting the Commandments is supposed to accomplish, other than marking their territory in the public schools paid for with everyone's tax dollars.
Marking their territory? Well, yes, some pissing is involved. Also some shitting, but fortunately there are spare copies of the Constitution and Bill of Rights around for them to use as toilet paper.
Oh, gee, now we get to CHOOSE what documents get displayed in classrooms! And guess what is one of those documents? THE TEN COMMANDMENTS! Oh, goodie.
Johnson and his Republican cronies think they're going to pull a fast one on Ohioans. The hell of it is, with the state as gerrymandered as it is and with Mike DeWine in the front seat, they might just get away with it. Then, too, the second that a copy of the 10Cs gets posted in a classroom, all that is needed is one parent with a complaint and a call to the Freedom From Religion Foundation and the Buckeye State has a lawsuit on their hands that they will very likely LOSE. More time and money wasted because some Christian hotshot thought they could mask their territory-marking.
Is this a hill you REALLY want to die on, Johnson?
My entire extended family still lives there, Troublesh00ter. It pains me to write that. The good people of Ohio aren’t even putting up a fight, as far as I can tell. $600 Million taken out of the General Fund (and earmarked for public education) now will go to another fucking billionaire who wants a domed football stadium. It’s unconscionable! The days of Ohio being a purple state are long gone. The state is quickly becoming the Capital of MAGATLAND.
News Bulletin: I LIVE HERE, TOO. I was born in Cleveland, went to school at Case Tech, lived in the general Cleveland area from late 1977 through September of 2025, when my gal and I moved to Massillon. I am well aware of what's going on in my home state and I have fought hard against it, particularly regarding my association with the FFRF. Matter of fact, when the news first hit that Ohio was thinking about putting the 10Cs in classrooms, I forwarded that Plain Dealer story to Hemant.
MAGA may have a hold on Ohio, but in this case (and in my humble opinion), they're backing the wrong horse.
Remember, Ohio is MAGAT, through and through. That was proven when voters in the Buckeye State chose a fucking MAGATY car salesman over one of the best Senators in our country, Sherrod Brown. All because Brown wouldn’t kiss Shitler’s ring. Ohio MAGATS are among the worst people in our country.
NOT through and through, Walt. Not me, not a lot of people in Cuyahoga, Franklin, and Hamilton counties, either. Sadly, rural Ohio is another story. Stipulated that our state used to be purple and now is pretty red. Gerrymandering went a long way toward making it that way, though Sherrod Brown's defeat wasn't a result of that.
I still think the Buckeye can be straightened out, but it's going to take a whole lot of work to get there.
Funny how Republicans have to try and weasel these bills through Congress. Is it because they know there isn't broad popular support for these ideas? Is it because plausible deniability is the name of the game? Is it because the Bible teaches that it's best to deceive others?
Religion is the number one cause of war. There is no Sky Daddy. The bible is a work of fiction. Tax ALL churches. The two fascists in that video should not be allowed anywhere near school children. If pedophiles have a “look” and sound, they’re it.
Why do NatCs feel the need to hide their agenda. Are they ashamed of it? Or do they simply know that it is both unconstitutional and illegal in a secular government founded, for the most part, by Deists who were aware of the dangers of mixing church and state.
They don't care that it's unconstitutional and illegal. They're just following the authoritarian playbook of grabbing all the power before the average citizen realizes what is going on. Look at what the Nazis did. They incorporated the word "socialist" into their party name to lull the socialists into complacency until they started arresting them.
Why are MAGA Christians so keen to post the 10 Commandments, while bowing down to a President who has demonstrably violated the last five, and probably most of the others as well?
It's part of marking what they see as their territory. They want their version of Christianity to be mandatory, and all children taught the lie that the US was founded to be an explicitly (if not exclusively) a Christian nation.
I see we're back to my previous comment about how awful a religion must be for the recruitment method to be lying to children.
As noted, the list given is mostly documents that should be taught in school anyway as civics learning. There's zero reason for this bill to exist at all, except to attempt to force the Christian Ten Commandments onto classroom walls. Anyone attempting the same with tenets from non-Christian faiths would trigger screaming and hair-pulling from Christians. No, this is little more than trying to deceive lawmakers into making bad decisions.
Funny how deliberate deception seems to be the fallback of so many Christian public policies these days, isn't it?
According to the Full Faith and Credit Clause, if one state recognizes same-sex marriage, then the other 49 states must honor the same-sex marriages performed in that state.
If Ohio schools don’t already expose the students to the majority of these documents in social studies classrooms, we have a bigger problem than some random posters. I’m betting the actual historical government documents are, in fact, studied, even in elementary school. This bill is an attempt to rewrite history to create precedent that the Ten Commandments are a founding document and to sneak them into schools illegally.
By including the rule about schools having to accept what is donated to them, they are expecting churches to donate posters the schools can’t decline, and the churches aren’t interested in donating the constitution or bill of rights, they will probably only donate the Decalogue. No other organization has the ability to provide the government documents in the way the churches can. And I expect these politicians already have some churches lined up with their posters at the ready.
They think they’re sneaky, but I see right through them.
I believe that you atheists are not looking at the bigger picture. First, it the ten commandments. Then it's the rest of the old testament, and then Ohio is going to have an economic boom fueled by people selling the daughters.
Hey! My dad came from Ohio, I lived there a few years when I was very young and I have family there still, one cousin who led me to this page. She’s a good one too. ;)
The repubelican daughters, yeah, you gotta pay me.
Republicans LOVE wasting taxpayer money on frivolous lawsuits, don't they? The only one of those documents that isn't real is the one they're trying to sneak in with the rest of them. Hiding the Ten Commandments with a bunch of other legit documents won't stop the coming lawsuits about government violating the Establishment Clause. We see you, OHGOP.
Not strictly a legal argument, I know, but it is both nonsensical and perverse to post something on elementary school walls telling friggin' fourth graders to not commit adultery.
My 9yo g/son, an avid, competent reader, was given a KJV bible by his fundy relative in the UK.. He asked me, 'Granny, what does 'thou' mean? It's everywhere in this book.' Given the low levels of literacy that I read about over the pond, I wonder about kids comprehending the 10C, if their reading level is 'The cat sat on the mat.' And also I'd almost like to see 'Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's ass' going up in schools, 9yo g/son and buddies would snigger at it every day I'm sure! No way are they ever gonna think that's anything but weird, not a command from an awesome deity!
There are 63 clauses in the Magna Carta, only 3 remain in force.
Clause 1 is about the liberties of the Catholic Church in England (the Church of England was created by Henry VIII in 1534, well after the 1215 date of the charter
Clause 13 is about the privileges of the City of London
Clauses 39 and 40 are about the right to a fair trial
Seems to be naff all to do with Ohio, which hadn't even been invented when the charter was signed.
Xtians piss and moan about their children being "groomed" somehow by all the people they don't like. But this latest move by GOP xtians to push their religion into public schools clearly shows who the true groomers are.
Bringem Young.
That's one thing you can say about the youngest con masquerading as a religion, L. Ron wasn't a pedophile AFAWK.
I thought it was spelled "Bangem".
So did I. Bangem Young.
And not a single pair of rhinestone-studded heels among them.
The religious right keeps trying to force the Ten Commandments into the public school classrooms as if they are something this country was founded on. Funny, but the Constitution never mentions them, and eight of them would be unconstitutional should anyone try writing them into law. I'm yet to understand what they think posting the Commandments is supposed to accomplish, other than marking their territory in the public schools paid for with everyone's tax dollars.
And also not a single one of these to be found in churches.
Having lived through 13 years of Catholic indoctrination, I barely recognize the 10 c's that they want to post.
Marking their territory? Well, yes, some pissing is involved. Also some shitting, but fortunately there are spare copies of the Constitution and Bill of Rights around for them to use as toilet paper.
Oh, gee, now we get to CHOOSE what documents get displayed in classrooms! And guess what is one of those documents? THE TEN COMMANDMENTS! Oh, goodie.
Johnson and his Republican cronies think they're going to pull a fast one on Ohioans. The hell of it is, with the state as gerrymandered as it is and with Mike DeWine in the front seat, they might just get away with it. Then, too, the second that a copy of the 10Cs gets posted in a classroom, all that is needed is one parent with a complaint and a call to the Freedom From Religion Foundation and the Buckeye State has a lawsuit on their hands that they will very likely LOSE. More time and money wasted because some Christian hotshot thought they could mask their territory-marking.
Is this a hill you REALLY want to die on, Johnson?
My entire extended family still lives there, Troublesh00ter. It pains me to write that. The good people of Ohio aren’t even putting up a fight, as far as I can tell. $600 Million taken out of the General Fund (and earmarked for public education) now will go to another fucking billionaire who wants a domed football stadium. It’s unconscionable! The days of Ohio being a purple state are long gone. The state is quickly becoming the Capital of MAGATLAND.
News Bulletin: I LIVE HERE, TOO. I was born in Cleveland, went to school at Case Tech, lived in the general Cleveland area from late 1977 through September of 2025, when my gal and I moved to Massillon. I am well aware of what's going on in my home state and I have fought hard against it, particularly regarding my association with the FFRF. Matter of fact, when the news first hit that Ohio was thinking about putting the 10Cs in classrooms, I forwarded that Plain Dealer story to Hemant.
MAGA may have a hold on Ohio, but in this case (and in my humble opinion), they're backing the wrong horse.
Remember, Ohio is MAGAT, through and through. That was proven when voters in the Buckeye State chose a fucking MAGATY car salesman over one of the best Senators in our country, Sherrod Brown. All because Brown wouldn’t kiss Shitler’s ring. Ohio MAGATS are among the worst people in our country.
NOT through and through, Walt. Not me, not a lot of people in Cuyahoga, Franklin, and Hamilton counties, either. Sadly, rural Ohio is another story. Stipulated that our state used to be purple and now is pretty red. Gerrymandering went a long way toward making it that way, though Sherrod Brown's defeat wasn't a result of that.
I still think the Buckeye can be straightened out, but it's going to take a whole lot of work to get there.
I appreciate your efforts.
Thanks! That's always good to hear.
That’s why I’m volunteering for two Board of Ed candidates.
Good deal! Rock and ROLL! 👍
Make everyone who votes Yes on this personally responsible for the eventual attorney fee shifting when it loses in court.
I only wish courts would do that.
I wish I were sure that it *will* lose.
Funny how Republicans have to try and weasel these bills through Congress. Is it because they know there isn't broad popular support for these ideas? Is it because plausible deniability is the name of the game? Is it because the Bible teaches that it's best to deceive others?
All of the above and most of all because they are normalizing the idea of it. It’s a tactic used time and time again.
Religion is the number one cause of war. There is no Sky Daddy. The bible is a work of fiction. Tax ALL churches. The two fascists in that video should not be allowed anywhere near school children. If pedophiles have a “look” and sound, they’re it.
Why do NatCs feel the need to hide their agenda. Are they ashamed of it? Or do they simply know that it is both unconstitutional and illegal in a secular government founded, for the most part, by Deists who were aware of the dangers of mixing church and state.
They don't care that it's unconstitutional and illegal. They're just following the authoritarian playbook of grabbing all the power before the average citizen realizes what is going on. Look at what the Nazis did. They incorporated the word "socialist" into their party name to lull the socialists into complacency until they started arresting them.
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They think non nastcs are as stupid and willfully ignorant as they are.
Why are MAGA Christians so keen to post the 10 Commandments, while bowing down to a President who has demonstrably violated the last five, and probably most of the others as well?
Control. If you put g0d behind everything, people will be less willing to criticize the government’s atrocities.
SOME people will be less willing. We ain't in that group! 😁
;)
It's part of marking what they see as their territory. They want their version of Christianity to be mandatory, and all children taught the lie that the US was founded to be an explicitly (if not exclusively) a Christian nation.
Terminally STOOPID
I do not share your optimism. The sheep may be thoroughly indoctrinated, but the wolves leading them know exactly what they are at
And all of the seven deadly sins !
I see we're back to my previous comment about how awful a religion must be for the recruitment method to be lying to children.
As noted, the list given is mostly documents that should be taught in school anyway as civics learning. There's zero reason for this bill to exist at all, except to attempt to force the Christian Ten Commandments onto classroom walls. Anyone attempting the same with tenets from non-Christian faiths would trigger screaming and hair-pulling from Christians. No, this is little more than trying to deceive lawmakers into making bad decisions.
Funny how deliberate deception seems to be the fallback of so many Christian public policies these days, isn't it?
I think that I shall never see
A Bill that’s wrought so sneakily
Ah, who am I kidding? It’s the same shit, different way.
STFU is not an appropriate ... word ... for a christian i would have thought?
I have family there, and even if I didn’t fuck you and your sanctimonious assholiness
I was jiust getting warmed up...
That my resonate to you!
People have rights. States have responsibilities. Everyone forgets the 9th Amendment.
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people
Define states rights, if the state legalized same sex marriage then you have no problem with the state doing that!
And all 50 states legalized marriage equality. Too bad for homophobic chew toy.
According to the Full Faith and Credit Clause, if one state recognizes same-sex marriage, then the other 49 states must honor the same-sex marriages performed in that state.
NO FORCED RELIGIOUS SUPERSTITION as you evil skygodders demand.
If Ohio schools don’t already expose the students to the majority of these documents in social studies classrooms, we have a bigger problem than some random posters. I’m betting the actual historical government documents are, in fact, studied, even in elementary school. This bill is an attempt to rewrite history to create precedent that the Ten Commandments are a founding document and to sneak them into schools illegally.
By including the rule about schools having to accept what is donated to them, they are expecting churches to donate posters the schools can’t decline, and the churches aren’t interested in donating the constitution or bill of rights, they will probably only donate the Decalogue. No other organization has the ability to provide the government documents in the way the churches can. And I expect these politicians already have some churches lined up with their posters at the ready.
They think they’re sneaky, but I see right through them.
I believe that you atheists are not looking at the bigger picture. First, it the ten commandments. Then it's the rest of the old testament, and then Ohio is going to have an economic boom fueled by people selling the daughters.
Of course they have to sell their daughters, how else will they afford to buy the cats and dogs to sustain themselves?
Thank you for not including me 😁
You're going to have to pay me (a lot) to take an Ohio daughter.
Hey! My dad came from Ohio, I lived there a few years when I was very young and I have family there still, one cousin who led me to this page. She’s a good one too. ;)
The repubelican daughters, yeah, you gotta pay me.
Exceptions to the rule.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbsMZecRgbI
Republicans LOVE wasting taxpayer money on frivolous lawsuits, don't they? The only one of those documents that isn't real is the one they're trying to sneak in with the rest of them. Hiding the Ten Commandments with a bunch of other legit documents won't stop the coming lawsuits about government violating the Establishment Clause. We see you, OHGOP.
Not strictly a legal argument, I know, but it is both nonsensical and perverse to post something on elementary school walls telling friggin' fourth graders to not commit adultery.
True. It's those third graders you gotta look out for :^)
My 9yo g/son, an avid, competent reader, was given a KJV bible by his fundy relative in the UK.. He asked me, 'Granny, what does 'thou' mean? It's everywhere in this book.' Given the low levels of literacy that I read about over the pond, I wonder about kids comprehending the 10C, if their reading level is 'The cat sat on the mat.' And also I'd almost like to see 'Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's ass' going up in schools, 9yo g/son and buddies would snigger at it every day I'm sure! No way are they ever gonna think that's anything but weird, not a command from an awesome deity!
How many cases of adultery in grade schools?
Some of those girls* are pretty hot!
*obviously I’m referring to the teachers!
New nominee for "best question ever asked on the Internet" just dropped.
In California, legally the girls could be married.
"My church has utterly failed in the market place of ideas and I need to use the State's monopoly on force to indoctrinate children into it"
[sigh] Do we REALLY need to cue the Ben Franklin quote about good and bad religions AGAIN??? [wry chuckle]
Yes. We need to tattoo it to their foreheads.
...in reverse, so they will be able to read it when looking in a mirror.
ALLLLLLLLLLLL RIGHTY, then!
𝑊ℎ𝑒𝑛 𝑎 𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑔𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑖𝑠 𝑔𝑜𝑜𝑑, 𝐼 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑐𝑒𝑖𝑣𝑒 𝑖𝑡 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑠𝑢𝑝𝑝𝑜𝑟𝑡 𝑖𝑡𝑠𝑒𝑙𝑓; 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑤ℎ𝑒𝑛 𝑖𝑡 𝑑𝑜𝑒𝑠 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑠𝑢𝑝𝑝𝑜𝑟𝑡 𝑖𝑡𝑠𝑒𝑙𝑓, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝐺𝑜𝑑 𝑑𝑜𝑒𝑠 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑐𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑡𝑜 𝑠𝑢𝑝𝑝𝑜𝑟𝑡 𝑖𝑡, 𝑠𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑖𝑡𝑠 𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑓𝑒𝑠𝑠𝑜𝑟𝑠 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑜𝑏𝑙𝑖𝑔𝑒𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑐𝑎𝑙𝑙 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑒 ℎ𝑒𝑙𝑝 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑐𝑖𝑣𝑖𝑙 𝑝𝑜𝑤𝑒𝑟, '𝑡𝑖𝑠 𝑎 𝑠𝑖𝑔𝑛, 𝐼 𝑎𝑝𝑝𝑟𝑒ℎ𝑒𝑛𝑑, 𝑜𝑓 𝑖𝑡𝑠 𝑏𝑒𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑎 𝑏𝑎𝑑 𝑜𝑛𝑒.
-- Benjamin Franklin
Though I doubt that tattooing it on their foreheads would help much, if at all! 😝
We may need to teach them how to read first.
Once they grasp the basics of reading, they’ll have to be taught reading comprehension.
Baby steps.
They are delusional whenever they look in the mirror, they never see what’s actually there. Only what they want to be there, Superman not Homelander.
"(f) The Magna Carta"
There are 63 clauses in the Magna Carta, only 3 remain in force.
Clause 1 is about the liberties of the Catholic Church in England (the Church of England was created by Henry VIII in 1534, well after the 1215 date of the charter
Clause 13 is about the privileges of the City of London
Clauses 39 and 40 are about the right to a fair trial
Seems to be naff all to do with Ohio, which hadn't even been invented when the charter was signed.
Jesus lived in Toledo during his formative years. He had brief stops in Dayton and Cleveland before the Last Supper.
But when did he leave Chicago?
https://youtu.be/LOoPWnnl4CE?si=U9Fk1x8agi2BU4i9