No, you have to be very blunt and rude to tell the Christians that you are not interested, otherwise the jesusfuckers will take your indifference as willinglyness to be preach to.
THE MORE BLATANT AND IN YOUR FACE A PERSON’S CHRISTIANITY IS, THE MORE LIKELY THAT PERON HAS SKELETONS IN THEIR CLOSETS (BACKYARD, BASEMENT, CRAWLSPACE, AND/OR HARDRIVE) THAT THE SECULAR AUTHORITIES SHOULD REALLY LOOK INTO!
As someone who grew up a JW, I honestly can't believe the country has to continue to subsidize religions. I am not sure what the process is in Norway, but it is insane that the country provides money to religions. Additionally, the facts are the facts and the JW Org globally but specifically in Norway in this case absolutely breaks the rules, and family members or friends who are shunned or disfellowshiped do experience psychological trauma, especially if they are children and grew up in the cult. It's appalling that the Supreme Court of the country ruled for the JW's in this case. Like you said, for a group that doesn't want to be part of the world, they sure love the benefits being part of the world gives them. I hope the citizens of Norway stand up and demand that churches stop getting paid, tax breaks is one thing, but whenever you can monetize members it leads to so much corruption and I'm sure the money would be better spent elsewhere.
My guess would be that it's all part of the societal trope that all religions are somehow good and are a positive influence on society. It's a reductive and naive point of view which fails to notice actual activities by religious organizations, whether it's the Catholics and child sexual abuse or Jehovah's Witnesses disfellowshipping and shunning members who don't meet their standards. Norway, like the US and so many other nations, needs to shed the naivete and recognize the minus-side of the religious ledger, and having done so, take appropriate action. I've posted this before, and it bears repeating:
"My guess would be that it's all part of the societal trope that all religions are somehow good and are a positive influence on society. "
One of the things that the UK National Secular Society is pushing for is the removal of "advancement of religion" as an accepted charitable purpose. There are some significantly nasty groups from all religions who use the category to gain charitable status.
Right on, we as a species will never progress until we stop allowing religions (all types of supernatural beings) from holding us back. Without religions dividing us; we can make great strides in solving the world’s problems!
Norwegian here. I am really disapointet that 1: We are still funding religion (there is a long story behind that practice, but it is still stupid.) And 2: That JV won this fight.
The funding of other peoples superstisjon should be stopped, especially when some sects usw that money to shun and/or harass former members. Mybe I have to become a politician again.
"The majority also said that an adult who’s disfellowshipped isn’t really suffering because they’ll still be a member of broader society."
Except that this is a society that they more or less rejected in favor of their more insular group. Being expelled from the Jehovah's Witnesses essentially means being left out in the cold with no societal relationship. I would be genuinely surprised if suffering were NOT an immediate consequence of the JW's shunning practices.
Frankly I find Norway's Court decision in this matter to be puzzling and illogical. I don't believe they have a full understanding of what the Jehovah's Witnesses are about, nor of the consequences of their practices.
"persons who choose not to live by the moral standards of the Bible"? I'd be surprised if anyone on the planet could define those. Perhaps those standards are exemplified in the Old Testament's Book of Numbers 31, vv 17, 18 with the ancient Israelites being commanded by their god Yahweh:
"Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man".
I’d much rather that governments not be funding religion at all. But, if it does fund religion, then I’m in favor of every whacko religion being eligible. Sunlight being the best disinfectant, etc.
Some years back a southern state backed off a plan to shift state monies to religious schools (somehow, someway) once it was brought to Republican attention that Muslim schools would be eligible. Not to imply that Islam is any more whacko than, oh, Christianity.
"got taxpayer money" IMO Norway is more open to showing support for religions with tax money. Unlike the United Sates that covertly uses tax money for religions. Spending millions of tax dollars each year on special events (national day of prayer,etc.), in the military, religion school vouchers, and faith based bullshit. There is no such thing as total separation of church and state.
Elections to win money to be made with the MAGA cult.
A better thing to ask is why does Norway fund religious organizations at all?
My guess it was all cool and stuff before they became more diverse and now they’re in a pickle.
Not one krone should be given to any religion of any kind. Let them fund themselves.
Ben Franklin offered that opinion over 200 years ago, and I think it's as valid today as it was back then.
Dear religious people: please shun me. I would really appreciate it, thanks.
Maybe this will work as a way to get rid of them without having to come right out and tell them to piss off.
No, you have to be very blunt and rude to tell the Christians that you are not interested, otherwise the jesusfuckers will take your indifference as willinglyness to be preach to.
THE MORE BLATANT AND IN YOUR FACE A PERSON’S CHRISTIANITY IS, THE MORE LIKELY THAT PERON HAS SKELETONS IN THEIR CLOSETS (BACKYARD, BASEMENT, CRAWLSPACE, AND/OR HARDRIVE) THAT THE SECULAR AUTHORITIES SHOULD REALLY LOOK INTO!
As someone who grew up a JW, I honestly can't believe the country has to continue to subsidize religions. I am not sure what the process is in Norway, but it is insane that the country provides money to religions. Additionally, the facts are the facts and the JW Org globally but specifically in Norway in this case absolutely breaks the rules, and family members or friends who are shunned or disfellowshiped do experience psychological trauma, especially if they are children and grew up in the cult. It's appalling that the Supreme Court of the country ruled for the JW's in this case. Like you said, for a group that doesn't want to be part of the world, they sure love the benefits being part of the world gives them. I hope the citizens of Norway stand up and demand that churches stop getting paid, tax breaks is one thing, but whenever you can monetize members it leads to so much corruption and I'm sure the money would be better spent elsewhere.
My guess would be that it's all part of the societal trope that all religions are somehow good and are a positive influence on society. It's a reductive and naive point of view which fails to notice actual activities by religious organizations, whether it's the Catholics and child sexual abuse or Jehovah's Witnesses disfellowshipping and shunning members who don't meet their standards. Norway, like the US and so many other nations, needs to shed the naivete and recognize the minus-side of the religious ledger, and having done so, take appropriate action. I've posted this before, and it bears repeating:
𝐼𝑓 𝑤𝑒’𝑟𝑒 𝑡𝑜 𝑔𝑟𝑜𝑤 𝑢𝑝 𝑎𝑠 𝑎 𝑠𝑝𝑒𝑐𝑖𝑒𝑠, 𝑤𝑒 𝑛𝑒𝑒𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑎𝑑𝑑𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑦𝑠𝑡𝑒𝑚𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑖𝑛𝑓𝑎𝑛𝑡𝑖𝑙𝑖𝑧𝑒 𝑢𝑠.
-- TheraminTrees
"My guess would be that it's all part of the societal trope that all religions are somehow good and are a positive influence on society. "
One of the things that the UK National Secular Society is pushing for is the removal of "advancement of religion" as an accepted charitable purpose. There are some significantly nasty groups from all religions who use the category to gain charitable status.
Right on, we as a species will never progress until we stop allowing religions (all types of supernatural beings) from holding us back. Without religions dividing us; we can make great strides in solving the world’s problems!
𝐹𝑜𝑟 𝑎 𝑔𝑟𝑜𝑢𝑝 𝑜𝑓 𝑝𝑒𝑜𝑝𝑙𝑒 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑤𝑎𝑛𝑡 𝑛𝑜𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡𝑜 𝑑𝑜 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑔𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑛𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡, 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑤𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑖𝑛𝑐𝑟𝑒𝑑𝑖𝑏𝑙𝑦 𝑢𝑝𝑠𝑒𝑡 𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑟𝑒𝑐𝑒𝑖𝑣𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑎 𝑔𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑛𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡 ℎ𝑎𝑛𝑑𝑜𝑢𝑡.
Which sect are we talking about here? It seems like they all do this.
All want government funding, without having to follow any secular rules. RELIGIONS ARE BIGGEST SORE OF OOZING PUS ON THE ASS OF HUMANITY!
It's their country and the Norwegians can do as they please. Personally, I don't think government has any business back-stopping anyone's religion.
Norwegian here. I am really disapointet that 1: We are still funding religion (there is a long story behind that practice, but it is still stupid.) And 2: That JV won this fight.
The funding of other peoples superstisjon should be stopped, especially when some sects usw that money to shun and/or harass former members. Mybe I have to become a politician again.
"The majority also said that an adult who’s disfellowshipped isn’t really suffering because they’ll still be a member of broader society."
Except that this is a society that they more or less rejected in favor of their more insular group. Being expelled from the Jehovah's Witnesses essentially means being left out in the cold with no societal relationship. I would be genuinely surprised if suffering were NOT an immediate consequence of the JW's shunning practices.
Frankly I find Norway's Court decision in this matter to be puzzling and illogical. I don't believe they have a full understanding of what the Jehovah's Witnesses are about, nor of the consequences of their practices.
I find it extremly stupid, puzzling and wrong. I really don't want my tax money to go to mean organisations and superstition.
"persons who choose not to live by the moral standards of the Bible"? I'd be surprised if anyone on the planet could define those. Perhaps those standards are exemplified in the Old Testament's Book of Numbers 31, vv 17, 18 with the ancient Israelites being commanded by their god Yahweh:
"Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man".
The JWs are cafeteria Christians, just like every other religious organization. They take what they want and leave the rest, as it comes to the bible.
What a terrible policy. Sadly this country funds these cults and hate groups too.
Evil like all breeds of christains. No other group of these vile frauds have earned my loathing like this one has.
I’d much rather that governments not be funding religion at all. But, if it does fund religion, then I’m in favor of every whacko religion being eligible. Sunlight being the best disinfectant, etc.
Some years back a southern state backed off a plan to shift state monies to religious schools (somehow, someway) once it was brought to Republican attention that Muslim schools would be eligible. Not to imply that Islam is any more whacko than, oh, Christianity.
Or Mormonism or Scientology or Jedisim or...!
I hear that the CURCH OF THE FONZ mighty need money, or is that the Church OF THE HOLY ELVIS. Where or where should the money go?🤔
Ummm ... my pocket? 😁
oh WOW...(sigh) Norway has now joined the ''ours is the ONLY WAY " club...Im amazed n surprised,, alto NOT in a good way (sigh again)
Humanity … and the disgusting taint of THEISM.
… 🦘🦘🦘
The guidelines for freedom of religion and belief are interesting - https://www.regjeringen.no/en/documents/norwegian-guidelines-for-freedom-of-religion-or-belief/id2983169/?ch=3
One has to wonder, how many religions/denominations decided not to apply for grants because they have to be nice to LGBT people.
one also has to note that Norway has one of the lowest church attendances in the world, at 5%.
Take away the government funding and see how long they last. Must be God's Will (tm) if they falter/fail.
"got taxpayer money" IMO Norway is more open to showing support for religions with tax money. Unlike the United Sates that covertly uses tax money for religions. Spending millions of tax dollars each year on special events (national day of prayer,etc.), in the military, religion school vouchers, and faith based bullshit. There is no such thing as total separation of church and state.
Elections to win money to be made with the MAGA cult.
Religions rule in the U.S. 😟