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Troublesh00ter's avatar

So Jesus Christ is king of North Dakota? Has someone told Trump that, because he might get a little upset at the competition!

Seriously, saying that this is an exercise in legislative overreach is stating the obvious. I'll take a guess and say that North Dakota's population is mostly Christian. Note the word, "mostly." No one should be surprised at a minority of Jews, Muslims, Mormons, and more than a couple atheists and agnostics, living in the Peace Garden State. I would suspect that more than a couple of that minority might get a bit upset at a governmental pronouncement, supposedly acknowledging "the Kingship of Jesus Christ over all the world." Granted that this is a resolution and hasn't the force of law, but ... "the Kingship of Jesus Christ over all the world?!?" SERIOUSLY???

I think I know some lawyers in North Dakota who are sharpening their pencils, even as we speak / type here, because court filings cannot be very far away.

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Joe King's avatar

It seems to me that any government body within the US has absolutely no business declaring anyone to have kingship over us. Didn't we have a little fight a while ago rejecting the notion of a king?

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

Memory's a little fuzzy but wasn't there a to-do between us and George III, maybe 200 or so years ago??? 🤪

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Stephen Brady's avatar

King Donold I is challenging that.

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Psittacus Ebrius's avatar

Good points. I would also include the roughly 31,000 Native Americans in the state who probably don't share this dimwit's views. I'm not a lawyer but I'll bet that I could easily win this case in court.

Also I find it puzzling that the word "republicans" is still being used. Didn't they go extinct recently?

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RegularJoe's avatar

They're 𝑻𝒓𝒖𝒎𝒑𝒖𝒃𝒍𝒊𝒄𝒂𝒏𝒔 now.

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John Smith's avatar

Or you can just call them god-damm, brain dead, inbred, assholes A.K.A Fucking Christian fascist rednecks.

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RegularJoe's avatar

That works, too. 🫡

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Joe King's avatar

𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝑘𝑒𝑦 𝑓𝑖𝑔𝑢𝑟𝑒 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑏𝑜𝑡ℎ 𝑖𝑠 𝑆𝑡𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝑅𝑒𝑝. 𝑁𝑖𝑐𝑜 𝑅𝑖𝑜𝑠, 𝑎 𝑛𝑢𝑡𝑗𝑜𝑏 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑟𝑒𝑐𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑙𝑦 𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑝𝑜𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑀𝑒𝑥𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑛 𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑖𝑑𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝐶𝑙𝑎𝑢𝑑𝑖𝑎 𝑆ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑛𝑏𝑎𝑢𝑚 𝑃𝑎𝑟𝑑𝑜’𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑡 𝑜𝑓 𝑟𝑒𝑡𝑎𝑙𝑖𝑎𝑡𝑜𝑟𝑦 𝑡𝑎𝑟𝑖𝑓𝑓𝑠 𝑏𝑦 𝑎𝑠𝑘𝑖𝑛𝑔, “𝑊𝑜𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑟 𝑖𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐶𝐼𝐴 𝑤𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 ℎ𝑒𝑙𝑝 𝑇𝑟𝑢𝑚𝑝 𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑡ℎ𝑟𝑜𝑤 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑘𝑖𝑐𝑘 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝐽𝑒𝑤 𝑜𝑢𝑡 𝑜𝑓 𝑝𝑜𝑤𝑒𝑟 𝑖𝑛 𝑀𝑒𝑥𝑖𝑐𝑜?”

Hmmm, I wonder if this Nazi is aware that he is pushing to declare a Jew (albeit a dead one) to be the absolute monarch of everything?

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xenubarb's avatar

I've had weird conversations with christians about that. Jesus was a Jew, not a christian. This is received with spluttering and buggy eyes.

Same with Scientology. L. Ron Hubbard was not a Scientologist. He was the guy who knew the whole thing was a scam.

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Valerie's avatar

I really do pity the children of these enraged militant fathers who want to beat the entirety of humanity into submission. Their frighteningly hierarchical family structures behind the closed doors of their homes conceals serious pathology from which a child has no access to escape. The childhoods of history’s most ruthless figures were riddled with suchlike cruelty. To a large extent, I think these were the childhoods of many whose votes award power to tyrannical leaders. People who were abused as children then went on to seek therapy to address their wounds are heroic, although their struggles rarely acknowledged.

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Len Koz's avatar

Nope. Morons like this will tell you Jesus was a Christian. And white. And blonde.

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Straw's avatar

What make you believe this nazi is aware of anything else than what he want to believe, wether it is fantasy,a nightmare or for real?

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Richard Wade's avatar

When Galileo showed Vatican Cardinals the moon through his telescope, and they saw mountains, craters, and all sorts of Earth-like imperfections instead of the "perfect pearl in Heaven," many of them simply refused to believe that what they saw was the moon. It only accelerated their growing enmity toward Galileo.

When German Nazis leading up to and during the Holocaust were shown from the Bible that Jesus was a Jew, many of them simply refused to believe it, saying it was some kind of elaborate hoax by the Jews.

Expect the same psychotic and paranoid level of denial from the anti semitic Christian Nationalists about Jesus having been a Jew. Religious fanatics can remain convinced that black is white even while drowning in India ink.

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Cathy G's avatar

My first thought as well.

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oraxx's avatar

Obscene. Don't these people have any actual business the state needs taken care of? They are in love with the myth. Period. There are many things attributed to Jesus, but there is no definitive evidence he ever existed, and no one has any idea what he might have said. Every legislator who votes for this absurdity needs to be held personally liable for defending the lawsuits that are sure to follow, and the state is sure to lose.

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Stephen Brady's avatar

No surviving attestation to Jesus existence from the ‘time of Jesus’… Paul was supposed to have been working for the High Priest at or about that time and yet in his letters from the 40s and 50s he doesn’t mention Jesus as being on the ground during that time. It is such a glaring omission, it has a name: ‘The Silence of Paul’.

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xenubarb's avatar

Even back in Jesus' purported time, Romans were big on recording events that impacted the Empire. Yet somehow, they managed to overlook Jesus entirely. Not one mention of him in Roman recorded history. We know all about Caesar, the eruption of Vesuvius and other historical events. Yet not a peep about Jesus; a guy who attracted followers and performed miracles, the final one being rising from the dead after three days of down time. You'd think the Roman historians would have found this significant enough to write about. Since they didn't, one might assume these were just fables unworthy of record.

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oraxx's avatar

Philo of Alexandria was the leading Jewish historian of the age, and he never mentions Jesus either. The volume of Philo's writing is nearly equal to the Bible itself. You would think a Jewish historian would have spoken out against someone so upsetting to the status quo. There is no independent corroboration for any part of the Jesus story.

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

Even the mention of a Jesus in Josephus writings seems to be a forgery, added at a later time in his mention of a religious sect called christians.

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Robot Bender's avatar

Scribal insertion. It interrupts the flow of the story. There are other "tells" in that passage that the Bible Schools won't teach their students about. Not to mention all over the place in the Bible.

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Stephen Brady's avatar

If there had been any record of all the ‘miracles’ associated with Jesus and his execution, they would have been preserved and brought up at every opportunity down through history.

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xenubarb's avatar

You'd think so, right? Primitive people were big on sharing stories of miraculous events. Yet with Jesus? Crickets and tumbleweeds.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Paul is totally silent because he is as much of a fiction as Jesus.

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Stephen Brady's avatar

Maybe. I read the Bible first. And then I read David Fitzgerald’s books. He goes into the research done by the Mythicist school of Bible scholarship.

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Psittacus Ebrius's avatar

The ancient Egyptians were pretty good record keepers, yet there is no mention of a world-wide flood.

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Stephen Brady's avatar

It was supposed to be like 6000 years ago? Sumerians had invented glue before that…

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Robot Bender's avatar

So were the Romans, the MesoAmericans, the Greeks... none of the astronomical "miracles" are noted anywhere else. 🤔

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Bensnewlogin's avatar

There is an argument to be made from the dead sea scrolls that in fact, Jesus was busy traveling around with Paul and helping him sell his business proposition. It’s why Paul was always talking about the risen Jesus. There is a book called Jesus and the riddle of the Dead Sea scrolls. Some of the scholarship can be impeached, but the conclusions follow pretty well.

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Straw's avatar

Q: Don't these people have any actual business the state needs taken care of?

A: Yes, they are doing that now. The most important task ever is to make sure everyone fall in line behind them or their heads will roll.

To be onest, what happens in UnUSA now is scary as f.

(edited typo)

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xenubarb's avatar

Whereas: I don't give a damn about your malenky religion and your attempt to jam it in our faces. We in the US don't have kings, let alone imaginary demigods from one of the Big Three desert religions.

Whereas: I refuse to submit to your religious nonsense and moreover, I refuse to accept any sort of king imposed on us by your attempt to insert elements of your religion into secular society.

Whereas: you need to keep your superstitious nonsense in your churches and leave the rest of us alone, because America is a blend of people with their own religions: Hindu, Buddhist, Jewish, Muslim, Pagan, Satanist and many more. And these people will not appreciate your attempt to make Jesus some sort of figurative "king" for the entire state.

This proposal would not elevate the community spirit, but would rather create division and strife due to your pushy christian tendency to jam your belief system into the laws of the land.

Whereas: you may FOAD, and take your stupid religious shit with you.

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Ed Buckner's avatar

I have no problem with their believing that happy horseshit if they want. I have a real problem with their spouting such nonsense on behalf of others and, of course, with their ignoring the key foundation stones of real religious liberty--the First Amendment and the separation of religion and government.

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

In the name of my country, France, I irrespectfully have this to say.

Fuck you* all ! Keep your intolerance, bigotry, racism, misogyny, homophobia, transphobia for your homes. You spread fear mongering and ignorance like a plague.

Salut Seshat, may knowledge and wisdom be a light against the bigots who want to impose their views.

* There is even a couple of dildos in Paris to help you, the Montparnasse and Eiffel towers

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AlbertCamus's avatar

Plenty of dildos in ND, apparently.

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Pere Ubu's avatar

Not the fun kind, neither.

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

Ah, I have missed you.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Give a foreigner like Jesus power to rule over all of us in this country?

It's already happened. His name is Elon Musk.

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Vanity Unfair's avatar

I'm looking forward to the inevitable scandals: Felongate and Elongate. Although the latter is stretching things.

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

When "Elongate" happens, do we get to put Musk on a rack and...! 😁

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Joe King's avatar

Elongate may be already happening. H̶e̶r̶r̶ ̶G̶o̶e̶b̶b̶e̶l̶s̶ Musk is already desperate to gain complete control of the Treasury.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Can't say 'Felon' without 'elon.'

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Guerillasurgeon's avatar

But it will be a 'mile' stone.

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Crystal's avatar

As a non-Christian living in ND, I do want to say that we do exist, even if our number is small. This is a scary place to live in the current political environment. Nearly 80% of the people around me voted for Trump. I was wearing my “empathy, inclusion” T-shirt the other day in public when I realized that maybe that wasn’t a good idea. I completely agree with your assessment that they are sending non-Christians a message with these bills. This Secular Humanist got the message loud and clear.

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Snide Piper's avatar

That you had to censor yourself, and not wear an item of clothing that expressed how you feel, tells me all I need to know about those who support this bill. I’ll venture to say that there are daily sightings of those awful red hats, and no one blinks an eye. There people are not Christian; they are terrorists. They want to dictate what everyone believes, and damn the law. I live in the middle of the buy-bull belt. As an atheist I certainly don’t fit in with their ideas and their beliefs. These people are too brainwashed to ever think they’re wrong.

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Crystal's avatar

I see the big pickup trucks with huge Trump flags flapping in back all the time. What makes me cautious is that I see the local social media. It’s brutal there. It makes me (and others I know) afraid to say anything in public about our political leanings.

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Joe King's avatar

Do you have your passport? Canada is close by, just in case. It may be time to start reviving the Underground Railroad.

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Crystal's avatar

I am in the process of getting my passport. It took me awhile to get documentation needed for it, but now that I have it, that is my next step. A good friend of mine is further into the process. She is getting passports for her entire family. Just in case we need them. :(

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Robot Bender's avatar

Missouri, too. I self censor, too. I feel like a submarine in deep, hostile waters, Crystal.

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PollyProletariat's avatar

Because they care not about the class war or the struggle faced by the working class. They focus instead on religion and 'culture wars' (persecution). This jackboot march of religious indoctrination is a tool of oppression.

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Old Man Shadow's avatar

They have no king but Trump.

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Whitney's avatar

There is a small problem with granting a 'kingship' to Jesus in this manner, it's usually referred to as the US Constitution:

"No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State." *

The US does not grant noble titles, not even symbolic ones for 'special' religious entities under any circumstances; ND does not get to change this just because they want their Jesus in charge. They can pray if they want to, they can say they've let their Jesus take the wheel if they like, but they cannot grant their Jesus a noble title for any reason. ND is welcome to attempt to change this language, of course, but they'll need to get it through the US Congress to do so; and from what I understand it's harder to make changes to the US Constitution that just about any other nation on Earth right now.

* https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/article-1/section-9/clause-8/

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Bagat's avatar

IF that god was truly omnieverything, this would not be necessary. Their god would already be king.

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wreck's avatar

"Constitution, Shmonstitution"

- GQP

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Robot Bender's avatar

Didn't Dubya once say about the Constitution, "Stop waving that piece of paper in my face" during a meeting? I think it was during the run up to the second Gulf War.

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Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

“Yes, this is exactly who they are. Republicans across the country support this shit. If they disagree, they are free to publicly condemn it, but they won’t do that.“

They don’t publicly condemn their cohorts’ behaviors, but they will bend over backwards to excuse or explain how their obviously bigotry is something else. A Roman salute, a description of her religious preferences, or explanation of experience, while not actually saying it isn’t bigotry and the rest of the bigots are celebrating these people’s acknowledgment of their feelings and membership in their camps. We know he thinks the President of Mexico isn’t worthy of her position simply because of her demographics. We know Elon was throwing his heart out to the NeoNazis, not the folks he is in the process of marching his jackboots all over. We know that Trump doesn’t rent to “those people” just because they are black, not because he’s been burned by tenants.

But Republicans, those in elected positions and those who elect them, are fine with their bigotry. Perhaps 20-30 years ago the folks who identified with the GOP were just convinced that their policies were what is best for America, the fiscal stances made sense to them. But today, they are either willfully ignorant of the reality of the GOP fascism, or they’re fine with it. Neither is acceptable.

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Joe King's avatar

𝐴 𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑚𝑖𝑡𝑡𝑒𝑒 ℎ𝑒𝑎𝑟𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑒 “𝐾𝑖𝑛𝑔𝑠ℎ𝑖𝑝 𝑜𝑓 𝐽𝑒𝑠𝑢𝑠 𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡” 𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑜𝑙𝑢𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑖𝑠 𝑠𝑐ℎ𝑒𝑑𝑢𝑙𝑒𝑑 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑇ℎ𝑢𝑟𝑠𝑑𝑎𝑦.

The proper thing to happen Thursday would be for the hearing to last only for the five minutes of laughter it takes to reject it outright. Unfortunately, the Christian Nazionalists will be running the show, and it will be taken seriously.

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Claudia's avatar

Maybe someone should point out that the last time a government laid down rules that citizens had to follow the religion of their rulers was the treaty of Augsburg in 1555. We surely have moved on from then?

Haven’t we?

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

We have, they have not see: Alito using witch-finder judge to base his legal opinion on abortion.

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Claudia's avatar

You have a point.

BTW - that opinion was atrocious!

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

A first year law student would have been ashamed to put forth that lame of an argument!

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Joe King's avatar

𝐵𝑢𝑡 𝑠𝑜𝑚𝑒𝑡𝑖𝑚𝑒𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑗𝑢𝑠𝑡 𝑡𝑎𝑘𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒 ℎ𝑜𝑜𝑑𝑠 𝑜𝑓𝑓 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑑𝑖𝑠𝑝𝑒𝑛𝑠𝑒 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑛 𝑡𝑟𝑦𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡𝑜 𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑒 𝑢𝑝 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑎 𝑠𝑒𝑐𝑢𝑙𝑎𝑟-𝑠𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑑𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑗𝑢𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑓𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑟 𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑔𝑖𝑜𝑢𝑠 𝑎𝑔𝑒𝑛𝑑𝑎.

Those hoods are getting threadbare enough that it is easy to see their agenda whether or not they are wearing them.

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Jamery Barry's avatar

I’m sorry. I don’t understand. How can these people be so pious in their law making and creating decrees; but still honor and revere a walking piece of shit like FELON 47. Christian nationalism makes no sense to me.

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larry parker's avatar

"makes no sense" - It's biblical.

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Bagat's avatar

Religion is all about a cadre of domineering control freaks demanding others do as they say or they burn forever. Because extortion proves god loves you.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

According to scripture, Trump fits the description of the xtian Antichrist. The one they warned everybody about, yet are now embracing as the risen messiah.

Xtians are lunatics.

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Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

Part of the lore surrounding the anti-Christ is that Christian’s will be deceived by him and worship him. They have Israel for the Jewish people to be moved to, and now they have the Anti-Christ to worship, End of Days is upon us. Armageddon is nigh.

They might be doing this knowingly to being about the biblical end times. They want to be raptured, they think they will wake up next to god every morning. It’s all coming together for them.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Would that the ‘rapture’ were real. Especially to see the looks on the faces of xtians that are left behind. Oopsie!

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cdbunch's avatar

Especially when the atheists are taken and hear "Good job thinking for yourselves. I gave you brains for a reason."

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Bagat's avatar

There have been hundreds of raptures. The number meeting the requirements is so tiny they were seen as natural deaths.

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

Yes instead they will trash our planet making it hell on earth. Jesus (if he actually existed) would be pissed they worshipped money above all, and trashed his dad's beautiful creation. They are evil.

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Len Koz's avatar

Yeah but if they are worshipping the antichrist (and they are), do they still get raptured? Or do they have to suffer with all us heathens?

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Robot Bender's avatar

I think they're being maneuvered by people who want them to believe Armageddon is close just to impose their dictatorship.

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Jamery Barry's avatar

One doesn’t have to be a bible scholar to see that trumpass fits all descriptions of evil, godlessness, and sin. But still there they are….worshipping him.

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

Yep, they worship the bronzed calf. Too bad they don't read their damn book.

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Guerillasurgeon's avatar

I once – years ago – went to an evangelical website and asked them why they would vote for someone whose life was pretty much the opposite of their beliefs. There were a number of interesting replies about Hillary Clinton being a witch and so on, but the thread that came through was abortion. They thought he would abolish abortion, and basically that was all they cared about. Apparently Trump was another Cyrus, who although wasn't a Christian helped Christians.

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Jamery Barry's avatar

Single issue voters are narrow minded and lost in their own hypocrisy. How insisting that the life of an unborn and nonviable fetus is more valuable than a woman who has an established life and is a part of society is the will of God is beyond me. There is always collateral damage in every moral decision made. I’m in favor of saving the life of the mother when given a choice.

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

Especially since so many patients getting reproductive healthcare, like abortion already have children.

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

Yeah that whole abortion: gets the voters out shit, started in the 70's before that their rallying point was segregation. So much for their "long-held beliefs. Before the 70's protestants were cool with abortion.

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Maltnothops's avatar

Do state legislators have NOTHING to do?

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

Oh, there are all sorts of useful things to do. Problem is that most of them were thought up by Democrats, and implementing such ideas would displease their lord and savior, Donald Trump! 😝

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Apparently not, even though ND is ranked 38th in Economy and 37th in Health Care.

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AlbertCamus's avatar

that Bible-learnin' will fix that right up! We get our brightest from Mississippi, Oklahoma, Alabama, and, of course Florida.

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Guerillasurgeon's avatar

That's "larnin' "

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

They have to kill time between 2 brayers sessions.

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

They must be forbidden to masturbate, or something because this is some toxic testosterone poisoning.

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