I can’t bring myself to have any sympathy for people who give their money to preachers. It’s their own damned fault for delegating an important part of their thinking to a fool who claims to be speaking for the almighty. Religion was born when the first con-artist met the first fool.
Most if not all the congregants of people like Kunneman have disconnected their cerebellum as they enter the sanctuary. They swallow the message whole and do as they're told, consequences be damned.
And it continues to astonish me that that is still the case.
♫♪ My friends all drive Porsches / I must make amends! ♪♫
At least SHE asked the lord and not a bunch of her fans!
I should mention, too: there was a tribute performance at the Connor Palace Theater in Cleveland some years back where a young lady (with one hell of a voice!) portrayed Janis Joplin and told her story ... and the encore at the end consisted of her leading the audience in "Mercedes Benz!"
I pretty much lurked on the second article yesterday by upvoting as many people as I could while refraining from commenting. And once I get to the library, I'll still be catching up on both this article and the previous two articles.
I think the obvious point here, which Hemant made, is that all of this money which is being asked for and spent on such ludicrous ideas, would go so much further in helping the sick and the needy - the very people these preachers claim to care about.
I can't tell if it's arrogance, or delusion, or cynicism, or all three.
It’s greed. They see that folks will give money if it’s for god and don’t question what it actually goes for, so they take advantage of them and fill their own pockets.
Has Kunneman not heard of telephones? They can even do video calling now! And why is it so important that he return to his church by Sunday? I mean, there are probably associate pastors who can fill in. And there are the aforementioned video calls. He doesn't have to be there in person, especially since much of his congregation attends by video.
I guess the grift has gotten him to feel entitled to the lifestyle of extreme wealth. And the rubes will give it to him.
It's not just the grift. It's his ego and his own determination that his greed needs to be satisfied, regardless. What kills me is that his congregation may not see it for what it is.
Unless you have the scratch to maintain a corporate jet, trust me, YOU DON'T WANT ONE. Yearly maintenance can run into high five figures, not including fuel, and A&P mechanics aren't cheap!
"Trump praised the Americans’ military efforts in the war against Great Britain. “Our army manned the air, it rammed the ramparts, it took over the airports, it did everything it had to do, and at Fort McHenry, under the rockets’ red glare, it had nothing but victory,”"
Further Thought: Strikes me, there is a term that could be applied to grifts like the one Kunneman is pulling here: "Biblical Extortion." Isn't that what this is about? Strong-arming people to give money where it is emphatically NOT NEEDED, because bible or evangel or some other related lame reason.
And because the average Joe is still afraid of going to hell, they'll fall for it ... again and again and again.
This is the same bunch of idiotic people that buys Trump’s cheap crap, so yet another example of RELIGION DESTROYING THE MIND; MAKING PEOPLE EXTREMELY STUPID, GULLIBLE, AND CRUEL!
Greed. Greed, greed, and MORE greed ... and while we're at it, avarice. As Hemant himself notes, this isn't the first time we've heard this song. Personally, I'm astonished that, considering the history with Creflo Dollar and the others, that Kunneman would go there, but go there, he did.
The question now is whether his congregation will go for it, and I for one am not sanguine about their answer.
It’s the Christian Nationalist grift in a nutshell. What’s worse is the people who follow or give money to this nonsense. I do agree that flying internationally is breeze compared to trying to get literally anywhere domestically within the USA. Gee, I wonder why that is? Where’s all the money going?
Btw, this is hilarious and related. Jokes about the 1% flying back and forth to the Hamptons non-stop and refusing to take another slightly longer route (by a few minutes) to avoid flying over huge swaths of residential neighborhoods are running rampant. It’s out of fucking control!
There are atheist versions of these xtian money tracts, but they encourage critical thinking, secular ethics and logical reasoning. Send Hank the Stank a few of these as well. Sauce for the goose.
When I need to tip, I generally tip much more than the regular percentage, to help make up for the assholes who refuse to tip. If we could get rid of tipping by paying people an actual living wage, that would be good. But until that happens, my tips will be generous.
Want to be even closer to your savior, Hanky Panky? Be sure to receive a scourging and a crown of thorns before taking up your cross to heighten the experience (and no cheating by putting wheels on it like some of your brethren).
Jesus was concerned about going to airports? I can’t even wrap my mind around the fact that anyone would hear or read that and think “yeah, that makes sense”. I used to listen to stories my dad would tell me about Jim and Tammy Faye Baker fleecing my grandparents. They were the kind of christians that went to revivals and practically lived at their church. Turned me off to religion in a very early age, starting with christianity.
John, the overlooked issue is that to believe in an all-powerful God makes you incapable of participating in a democracy, where some decisions will not align with His.
Okay, these jerks are complaining that they’re too close to the sinners when they fly commercial, but isn’t that supposed to be part of the work? Jesus ate with the prostitutes and thieves, these guys complain if they have to look at the disabled. What better way to reach the masses than to walk among them?
“But those are logical approaches to an illogical problem. These guys are so arrogant, they’re convinced the only way to spread God’s message is through them.”
Ha ha ha ha ha!
Nope. It’s not an illogical problem, it is a clear problem that isn’t what they’re saying it is. The begging for plane money is not about being the only portal for reaching god. That is only their excuse that their rubes buy to give them money. They beg plane money because they want to be super wealthy and fly private jet. They get away with it because they do “The Lord’s Work” tm, but they also fly private jet to vacations and for grifting purposes. They live high on the hog while their congregations barely scrape by. They have enough money to be sheltered from the consequences of electing Trump, they even get to influence him, while their congregations vote for their own oppression just because these conmen tell them to. Then the pew sitters struggle and reach out to the grifters for more Jesus juice to make their lives just a little better. It’s an intentional cycle of dependency.
If it's really that important to god, why doesn't he just give them angel wings so they can fly at heavenly speed to wherever they need to go? he is a god of miracles, isn't he? or perhaps a Star Trek-like transporter????/meow/
I can’t bring myself to have any sympathy for people who give their money to preachers. It’s their own damned fault for delegating an important part of their thinking to a fool who claims to be speaking for the almighty. Religion was born when the first con-artist met the first fool.
Most if not all the congregants of people like Kunneman have disconnected their cerebellum as they enter the sanctuary. They swallow the message whole and do as they're told, consequences be damned.
And it continues to astonish me that that is still the case.
Cerebrum, not cerebellum. The first is for thinking, the second for balance and repetitive tasks. Otherwise, I agree. Edit turned f into for.
"Damnit, Jim, I'm an engineer, not a doctor!" 🤣🤣🤣
I understand. GORK why I post on on these Substacks written by lawyers…
An imaginary “almighty,” to boot.
Proverbs chap 13 verse 18
“A fool and their money are soon parted.”
A snake and it oil are soon parted
You can't fix stupid. -- Not in the Bible
Yet, those same people won't dare give a dime to a homeless person because 'they're not really homeless, they're hustlers.'
I am reminded of Janis Joplin's words, "Oh, Lord, won'tcha buy me a Mercedes Benz..."
♫♪ My friends all drive Porsches / I must make amends! ♪♫
At least SHE asked the lord and not a bunch of her fans!
I should mention, too: there was a tribute performance at the Connor Palace Theater in Cleveland some years back where a young lady (with one hell of a voice!) portrayed Janis Joplin and told her story ... and the encore at the end consisted of her leading the audience in "Mercedes Benz!"
And her desires were much simpler, too. Just a Mercedes-Benz, a TV, and a night out. She didn't even insist on a new one.
Pearl was the real deal ... and losing her HURT.
My friends all drive Porsches
I must make amends.🎶
https://youtu.be/6dM2uzunIXs?si=QJzy0hE4Ul_qhw5T
Dammit, TS beat me by almost 2 minutes!!!
Don’t feel too bad. I didn’t even discover the previous article until it had been up for 4 hours.
I mentioned the "real 10 commandments" hoping you would jump in and do the full explanation.
I pretty much lurked on the second article yesterday by upvoting as many people as I could while refraining from commenting. And once I get to the library, I'll still be catching up on both this article and the previous two articles.
Oy.
O Lord won't you buy me a color TV.
Dialing for Dollars is trying to reach me.
Worked hard all my lifetime, no help from my friends
So Lord won't you buy me a color TV.
I wait for delivery, each day until three.
("Worked hard..." is the third line of the Mercedes Benz verse.)
You are right. Half a century degrades memory…
Yep. That's why I use the Google machine for stuff these days.
𝑾𝒉𝒂𝒕 𝒂 𝒅𝒓𝒂𝒈 𝒊𝒕 𝒊𝒔 𝒈𝒆𝒕𝒕𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝒐𝒍𝒅.
(Beats the alternative.😉)
I think the obvious point here, which Hemant made, is that all of this money which is being asked for and spent on such ludicrous ideas, would go so much further in helping the sick and the needy - the very people these preachers claim to care about.
I can't tell if it's arrogance, or delusion, or cynicism, or all three.
Clearly a combination of ingredients, not unlike a doctor's prescription ... for IVERMECTIN!
It’s greed. They see that folks will give money if it’s for god and don’t question what it actually goes for, so they take advantage of them and fill their own pockets.
Pray to God to help you figure it out.
While you're doing that, Hank's on his way to Cabo.
“𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝑑𝑖𝑓𝑓𝑒𝑟𝑒𝑛𝑐𝑒 [𝑏𝑒𝑡𝑤𝑒𝑒𝑛 𝑚𝑒 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑡 𝑜𝑓 𝑦𝑜𝑢] 𝑖𝑠 𝐼 𝑐𝑎𝑛’𝑡 𝑎𝑓𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑑, 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑚𝑦 𝑠𝑐ℎ𝑒𝑑𝑢𝑙𝑒 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑤ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝐼’𝑚 𝑑𝑜𝑖𝑛𝑔, 𝑡𝑜 𝑏𝑒 𝑦𝑜𝑢𝑟 𝑝𝑎𝑠𝑡𝑜𝑟 ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒… 𝑡𝑜 𝑏𝑒 𝑠𝑡𝑢𝑐𝑘 𝑖𝑛 𝑎𝑛 𝑎𝑖𝑟𝑝𝑜𝑟𝑡 𝑠𝑜𝑚𝑒𝑤ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑏𝑒 𝑔𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑟𝑒𝑒 [𝑜𝑟] 𝑓𝑜𝑢𝑟 𝑑𝑎𝑦𝑠. 𝑂𝑟 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑔𝑒𝑡 𝑏𝑎𝑐𝑘 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑆𝑢𝑛𝑑𝑎𝑦.”
Has Kunneman not heard of telephones? They can even do video calling now! And why is it so important that he return to his church by Sunday? I mean, there are probably associate pastors who can fill in. And there are the aforementioned video calls. He doesn't have to be there in person, especially since much of his congregation attends by video.
I guess the grift has gotten him to feel entitled to the lifestyle of extreme wealth. And the rubes will give it to him.
It's not just the grift. It's his ego and his own determination that his greed needs to be satisfied, regardless. What kills me is that his congregation may not see it for what it is.
Why does KENNETH COPELAND have a jet and I DO NOT??
You need to get right with Jesus. THEN he will pour down his blessings upon you. ;)
My neighbor down the street is named Jesus, we've been buddies for years. I'm going to go ask why he hasn't blessed me yet.
Unless you have the scratch to maintain a corporate jet, trust me, YOU DON'T WANT ONE. Yearly maintenance can run into high five figures, not including fuel, and A&P mechanics aren't cheap!
I bought a used Land Rover once, I learned my lesson.
Looking at Mark 3:9, one has to ask the simple question:
What does a man who can walk on water need with a boat?
At the risk of citing an old and well-worn trope, the same thing god needs with a starship.
Kudos, my friend!
Jesus. Was. Concerned. About. Airports.
He was also involved in ramming the ramparts.
He got it from the horse's orifice:
"Trump praised the Americans’ military efforts in the war against Great Britain. “Our army manned the air, it rammed the ramparts, it took over the airports, it did everything it had to do, and at Fort McHenry, under the rockets’ red glare, it had nothing but victory,”"
https://time.com/5620936/donald-trump-revolutionary-war-airports/
Jeez, I didn't know they had planes in the Revolutionary War.
Ahhh ... but would he Ram-a-Lam-a-Ding-Dong?
Would he ram a lamb? I'm guessing he might.
Woah Black Betty, bam a lam.
Further Thought: Strikes me, there is a term that could be applied to grifts like the one Kunneman is pulling here: "Biblical Extortion." Isn't that what this is about? Strong-arming people to give money where it is emphatically NOT NEEDED, because bible or evangel or some other related lame reason.
And because the average Joe is still afraid of going to hell, they'll fall for it ... again and again and again.
This is the same bunch of idiotic people that buys Trump’s cheap crap, so yet another example of RELIGION DESTROYING THE MIND; MAKING PEOPLE EXTREMELY STUPID, GULLIBLE, AND CRUEL!
Greed. Greed, greed, and MORE greed ... and while we're at it, avarice. As Hemant himself notes, this isn't the first time we've heard this song. Personally, I'm astonished that, considering the history with Creflo Dollar and the others, that Kunneman would go there, but go there, he did.
The question now is whether his congregation will go for it, and I for one am not sanguine about their answer.
His congregants only believe what he tells them, and I’m sure Creflow Dollar and Kenneth Copeland were never reported on State Television.
It’s the Christian Nationalist grift in a nutshell. What’s worse is the people who follow or give money to this nonsense. I do agree that flying internationally is breeze compared to trying to get literally anywhere domestically within the USA. Gee, I wonder why that is? Where’s all the money going?
Btw, this is hilarious and related. Jokes about the 1% flying back and forth to the Hamptons non-stop and refusing to take another slightly longer route (by a few minutes) to avoid flying over huge swaths of residential neighborhoods are running rampant. It’s out of fucking control!
https://stopthechopnynj.org
Send him those bible tracts that look like $20.00 dollar bills.
Those are fun to toss into collection plates when stuck attending church events. 🙂
Oh, you mean THIS stupid thing:
https://ibb.co/mFcjpQm8
wordofgodstore.com/product/788200567669
The grift that keeps on giving
Oh, terrific. Leave a worthless piece of paper instead of a tip. That's going to go over REAL BIG, won't it? /s
There are atheist versions of these xtian money tracts, but they encourage critical thinking, secular ethics and logical reasoning. Send Hank the Stank a few of these as well. Sauce for the goose.
I must have been in third or fourth grade the first time I heard about the tactic. Even then, I realized what a shitty trick that was.
When I need to tip, I generally tip much more than the regular percentage, to help make up for the assholes who refuse to tip. If we could get rid of tipping by paying people an actual living wage, that would be good. But until that happens, my tips will be generous.
Ok, I put an envelope on the table and prayed over it. God told me to send this message to "prophet" Kunneman:
Dear Pastor Kunneman, be like Jesus. If you need to go somewhere, take up a cross and walk.
Want to be even closer to your savior, Hanky Panky? Be sure to receive a scourging and a crown of thorns before taking up your cross to heighten the experience (and no cheating by putting wheels on it like some of your brethren).
To put wheels on his cross, he would have to remove them from the goalposts.
Jesus was concerned about going to airports? I can’t even wrap my mind around the fact that anyone would hear or read that and think “yeah, that makes sense”. I used to listen to stories my dad would tell me about Jim and Tammy Faye Baker fleecing my grandparents. They were the kind of christians that went to revivals and practically lived at their church. Turned me off to religion in a very early age, starting with christianity.
Yes, because annoying people with American voodoo should never be confined to one locale.
United States exporting christian fascism to the rest of the world; that the rest of the world doesn’t WANT or NEED! 😠
John, the overlooked issue is that to believe in an all-powerful God makes you incapable of participating in a democracy, where some decisions will not align with His.
Okay, these jerks are complaining that they’re too close to the sinners when they fly commercial, but isn’t that supposed to be part of the work? Jesus ate with the prostitutes and thieves, these guys complain if they have to look at the disabled. What better way to reach the masses than to walk among them?
They’re doing god’s work my ass.
Walk among the unwashed hordes o' heathens? EEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWW!
I may be unwashed, but you won't find my name in the Epstein Files. :)
“But those are logical approaches to an illogical problem. These guys are so arrogant, they’re convinced the only way to spread God’s message is through them.”
Ha ha ha ha ha!
Nope. It’s not an illogical problem, it is a clear problem that isn’t what they’re saying it is. The begging for plane money is not about being the only portal for reaching god. That is only their excuse that their rubes buy to give them money. They beg plane money because they want to be super wealthy and fly private jet. They get away with it because they do “The Lord’s Work” tm, but they also fly private jet to vacations and for grifting purposes. They live high on the hog while their congregations barely scrape by. They have enough money to be sheltered from the consequences of electing Trump, they even get to influence him, while their congregations vote for their own oppression just because these conmen tell them to. Then the pew sitters struggle and reach out to the grifters for more Jesus juice to make their lives just a little better. It’s an intentional cycle of dependency.
If it's really that important to god, why doesn't he just give them angel wings so they can fly at heavenly speed to wherever they need to go? he is a god of miracles, isn't he? or perhaps a Star Trek-like transporter????/meow/