No, I won't wade through that. I haven't the patience to endure that much ignorance and hatred. Still, I admire Hemant for being willing to go through that gauntlet.
And while I didn't take in any of that video, I wonder if the following question was asked:
"You state that you want gays to die and you celebrate such events from your pulpits. Have you noticed that the gays have NOT responded in kind and do you wonder at all why that is?"
It's projection, just like all the weirdos seeing pedophiles everywhere, but in their church where so many (probably including themselves) actually are.
Unbeknownst to me at the time, one of our high school choir directors was gay. I remember him as a terrific guy who really brought out the best in our performances and (no great surprise) got along just as well with our other director, whom I am fairly sure was straight.
The twits who want to allege that the gays would kill us if they could are purely and simply hallucinating ... full freaking stop.
I literally laughed out loud at this. I'm steeped in gayness and never once have I had the urge to murder anyone, not even these absolute zealous lunatics.
Adultery is a favorite sport among kkkristers. The pope tried removing adultery as a sin claiming that calling divorced people adulterers drove them from the church.
I'd like to expand on the question I posed earlier in this discussion, if you don't mind:
• While most if not all of us would like to see religion erased from our culture, we are real enough about how the world works to recognize that the utter departure of irrational belief from our planet is highly unlikely.
• An immediate corollary to the above point is that those who practice said religions are also unlikely to disappear from society, any more than atheists, the LGBTQ+ community, people of color, or any other minority are.
• The fact is that I as both an atheist and member of the LGBTQ+ community would have NO PROBLEM with religion or religionists 𝗜𝗙 𝗧𝗛𝗘𝗬 𝗪𝗘𝗥𝗘 𝗪𝗜𝗟𝗟𝗜𝗡𝗚 𝗧𝗢 𝗟𝗘𝗔𝗩𝗘 𝗨𝗦 𝗔𝗟𝗢𝗡𝗘.
• The problem is that, owing to certain contents of their holy books, there are plenty of religionists who will insist that they are following the will of their god in castigating those with no belief or alternative sexuality or POCs, though they can cite no secular or logical or evidence-based reasoning for their position. As a direct result, they are unwilling and/or unable to leave us alone.
• These same religionists who threaten us utterly fail to recognize the asymmetry of their hostility against our relative lack thereof and, I suspect, would refuse to acknowledge it if confronted with it.
Thus we have the current circumstance, which amounts to a Mexican Standoff, which will likely perpetuate itself indefinitely. What to do about it is left for discussion here or elsewhere.
As a none I have zero interest in bullet #1, because I think bullet #3 hits it far more on the head. Do your thing, you do you, just don't try and make me do your thing.
As for what to do about this sort of hate: stronger social support. Better living standards, more easily achieved. Reduced poverty. Improved education. Heck even free pre-school. I think a lot of fundamentalism is driven by personal uncertainty, insecurity, unfamiliarity, and people looking to externalize an enemy to be responsible for their problems. Lessen the problems and insecurity, throw all the kids in together for education, there will be a lot less people inventing villains or following the people who invent them.
The problem with fundamentalism is that, as with just about all religions, it is based in uncertainty. If certainty was to be had with ANY religion, there would be just the one, and a great deal of the fussing and fuming could be dispensed with. Because there is no certainty, they rely on numbers to reinforce each other, yet that is not and never will be entirely successful, because other opinions are out there, causing cognitive dissonance all over the place (very messy!).
So as long as they insist on leaning on their dogma, my personal suspicion is that the contretemps will continue.
Religion also keeps them busy. If you are busy hating the other, you don't have time or energy left over for understanding or for compassion to creep in.
I don't believe the failure to recognize the asymmetry is actually true. I think they not only recognize it but push back by proclaiming the opposite. For example; the ridiculous notion that all gay people will murder you if they can get you alone. Just like the Orange Mussolini, the lies are easily dismissed with the smallest amount of logic but the base eats it up.
There is no horror that cannot be, and has not been, justified in the name of religion. Extremist, hate-filled fools like these two demonstrate the disconnect between religion and morality about as well as it can be done. That said, never forget their enablers in the pews are every bit as bad as they are, or they wouldn't be there. They also serve as a constant reminder that is it is extremely unlikely the human species will come to its senses before it destroys itself.
Well stated......so true. We can only hope that the human 2.0 version is better. How many operating system upgrades have been pushed out to the Apple iPhones since it started? How many iPhone versions since its invention? And yet here we humans are....2000 years after so called "jesus" still full of draconian and archaic dogma, ideology and hate.
While not exactly the same analogy, you get what I'm putting down here.
Exactly, how will we ever work the flaws out of them? No one has to be perfect, but hate-filled people, should be removed from society, and marooned on an island somewhere.
I am not going to listen to that and bring their words into my life, I’m not going to suffer the fools.
Asking monkeys why they like to toss their own feces? The answer is simply monkeys do what monkeys do. When the zoo puts up plexiglass they don’t discuss it with the monkeys.
There are Professional bad people in the world and they all can find a niche to Practice their trade.
If there was a way to tag a fetus’s eventual sexual orientation would it be OK with aborting them. Or if they can identify a 12 year-old who is Homosexual, kill them? Or maybe that doesn’t produce the right publicity so they tag them until they’re old enough to more easily demonize them and then murder them.
The reality is if there was a serial pedophile in an area they wouldn’t look at the gays, they would look at these two men, they are the types that statistically are the pedophiles, not gays. That should make everybody question if they’re simply hiding something.
Ignore the critics in this case. Since it's being published on their Rumble channel, there will be a lot more fundies who end up hearing Hemant for the first time, than liberals who hear Shelly & Thompson for the first time.
𝑆𝑜 ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒’𝑠 𝑜𝑢𝑟 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑠𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛
Could I request/suggest a post of your thoughts, observations, etc. on how it went? As someone who grew up in the pleistocene, I enjoy reading essays far more than watching videos. It's also a time saver; video starts off content-poor due to the inclusion of intros, side conversations, etc., and even just considering the segments which are all content, I can still read someone's comments a lot faster than most people can speak them.
Yeah, because no straight dude has (intentionally, or even unknowingly) roomed with a gay dude ever. Lol. I did a couple Halloweens in the Castro. It's hard to get gayer than that. I got straight-up groped by drunk dudes but I somehow lived to tell the tale.
In my younger days, I lived in Key West for a couple of years, and the hottest bar in town was a gay club. Never met nicer people, never had more fun, and never had to tell anyone twice that I wasn't interested in a same-sex hook-up because once was enough for people to respect where you were coming from. I never felt that safe in a straight bar, just FYI.
I spent the 80's, and 90's in a gay bar, because they had the best DJ (I love to dance) and my bestie was a gay guy. They didn't have many girls, so no one ever hit on me.
I'm with you, Natalie, my gay bar experience was awesome. At the club I went to, if you told somebody you weren't interested, that was it. And a minute later you could be out on the floor dancing with the same girl, no hard feelings, just respect. It was the best place to go have fun, dance the night away, and as I said, I never felt safer.
OMG. I'm so very sorry to hear about your best friend. My heart goes out to you. I was just thinking the other day about how far we've come in treating HIV, but it came too late for so many wonderful people. My deepest sympathies, Natalie.
Go to https://youtu.be/voadwDT9FiY underneath the vid where Hemant wrote a blurb, click on "More," then scroll down until you see a section labeled "Transcript" click on the "Show transcript" button. The page will scroll back to the top and a transcript box will open, highlight the text, it will take a minute or so, then copy pasta into a word processor of your choice.
Something that I forgot to point out in my original comment, the remark that gay people are out to kill others, given the opportunity, because it is an outright lie and projection, is an intentional choice by that preacher to vilify LGBTQ people so that his congregation feels good about allowing what would rationally be an injustice to happen, and also to create a sense of hatred and violence against LGBTQ people personally. It is an important step in stoking stochastic terrorism. I pointed out that it the gays are not killing others, but forgot the reason the statement was said in the first place. It may be more difficult nowadays to completely dehumanize LGBTQ people (and any other minority group), even though they try, but turning them into villains is much easier. Even if some parents of LGBTQ people are willing to cast out their children for being LGBTQ, they cannot dismiss them as not human beings, having created the children themselves. It was easier in a time where LGBTQ people were in the closet and folks didn't know they knew a gay man or lesbian woman. Or when superstition ruled and fairies were trading babies for changelings. But today, fairies are fun little stories and LGBTQ people are real people that we talk to everyday and don't hide (as much).
It is not far from how dictators talk about their chosen demographic leading up to the genocides they commit. That these guys are not in political power provides us some defense, but they're paving the path for someone who can be powerful (or someone who is despite his felony convictions) in the hearts and minds of the folks within their reach.
"After insisting that it’s the government, not random people, that ought to be “dishing out capital punishment,”"
You cannot expect that message will get through to your congregation when in the same breath you are praising the random people who are dishing out capital punishment. When you are including in your sermons the relief you feel when LGBTQ people are murdered while simply living their lives. Simply stating the government should be doing something is not telling your congregation that only the government should be doing it, and if they see that the government is not doing it, then they will certainly see an opportunity to become the hand of government. These preachers, despite never acknowledging it for it will give away the game, know damned well that is the message they are sending. Which brings me to...
"he says that if gay people "could get you alone, and no one was looking, they would kill you... They would just straight-up murder you.""
Projection adequate to cover the moon from Earth. If this was remotely true, there would be millions of cases of gay people murdering, or attempting to murder, people. But there are not. Even saying there are some gay people who would kill if given the opportunity would be showing up in our crime statistics, and they are not. Not even a little bit. They certainly aren't out there killing unprovoked, so any cases of LGBTQ people of actually attempting or committing murder are instances where they were defending themselves (or others) and a rare minority where an LGBTQ person was harassed to extremes and finally lashed out.
No, it is not the LGBTQ community who are out to kill, it is the people who believe God told them LGBTQ people are abominations and deserve torture and death. These preachers, if they aren't doing it themselves, they're using their platforms for the stochastic terrorism to make it happen.
Reaching out to speak with these people to hear their side helps defend against claims of misrepresenting them or creating strawmen, though I choose not to watch the video for sake of my sanity. When something happens, because it will despite their hemming and hawing about the government doing it, when something happens and there is a link to their sermons, they should be held responsible. Similar to the parents of that school shooter, the ones who gave him guns and ignored his mental health professionals advice.
They certainly don't want their victims to have a say in government, they might have to give up their abuse. This is the only reason folks are pushing to revoke the 19th Amendment. Fuck them and fuck that shit. You will take my vote from my cold, dead hands.
Them insisting that "the government is the only one to hand out capital punishment"...... is just them setting themselves up for plausible deniability when one of their crazy extremist followers bombs a gay bar.....
"I never told them to kill 'em. I only ever said the government should and that lone gunman was doin' the lord's work and will have a special place in heaven. He's saved us all from the pedos."
It's enough to let him skate at a trial, but he knows good and well what he's saying.
Just like the fucking forced-birther assholes, winding up their mentally ill congregants by going on about killing babies and shit. Then when they act exactly as they have been programmed to, they say say "Oh we never told them to do that!"
Yeah, who was it who had a talk show and kept harping on the one doctor until someone murdered the dr, then it was all “I never told them to kill him”.
Then there’s Tucker Carlson, who prattles on and on about the great replacement and was shocked that gunmen quote him profusely in their manifestos, before they go on a shooting spree in black and brown places.
I found this while looking for the talk show hosts name.
I hate that the media usually does not spell it out like this “From 1977 to 2020 in America, anti-abortion activists committed at least 11 murders, 26 attempted murders, 956 threats of harm or death, 624 stalking incidents and four kidnappings, according to data collected by the National Abortion Federation. They have bombed 42 abortion clinics, set 194 on fire, attempted to bomb or burn an additional 104 and made 667 bomb threats.
…
Republicans and the wider anti-abortion movement have often condemned this terror but other times have signaled their tacit, or even explicit, support for it. According to David Cohen, author of “Living in the Crosshairs: The Untold Stories of Anti-Abortion Terrorism,” the GOP has worked in “conjunction” with extreme anti-abortion activists for decades. “They can let the extremists engage in violence, harassment and threats to accomplish the same goal that the mainstream movement tries to accomplish through legislation and other policy changes,” Cohen said.
The GOP has sometimes flaunted its ties to its militant anti-abortion brethren, like when Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) formed a “Pro-Lifers for Cruz” coalition as part of his presidential campaign in 2016 and named Troy Newman as a national co-chair.
Newman is the president of a radical anti-abortion group and the author of “Their Blood Cries Out,” a book that crafts a Christian justification for killing abortion providers. The book compared one specific abortion provider, Dr. George Tiller, to Adolf Hitler. Tiller was gunned down in 2009 by a man who owned a copy of “Their Blood Cries Out” and who had the phone number of Newman’s organization, Operation Rescue, on a Post-it note in his car.(Confronted with Newman’s history of extremism, Cruz doubled down on his involvement in the campaign.)”.
It was O'Reilly I was thinking about, I found it in the Wikipedia about Tiller's murder,
"Fox News Channel commentator Bill O'Reilly has also been accused of demonizing Tiller.[72] O'Reilly was found to have mentioned Tiller by name on The O'Reilly Factor, his show on the Fox News Channel, 42 separate times prior to Tiller's death, referring to him specifically as a "baby killer" in 24 instances.[73] O'Reilly said he was not responsible for Tiller's death and defended his campaign against Tiller, saying:
"When I heard about Tiller's murder, I knew pro-abortion zealots and Fox News haters would attempt to blame us for the crime, and that's exactly what has happened. [...] Every single thing we said about Tiller was true, and my analysis was based on those facts. [...] Now, it's clear that the far left is exploiting — exploiting — the death of the doctor. Those vicious individuals want to stifle any criticism of people like Tiller. That — and hating Fox News — is the real agenda here.[74]""
Which is exactly what I was saying above, they harp and harp on people they do not like then when someone does exactly what they suggest over and over again, it's all "you can't blame me, I never lied, I never meant for anyone to kill him, the left just hates me."
I might watch portions. It would be interesting to examine their ideology on some of those topics and try to determine just how steep and slippery the slope is from the rabbit hole of indoctrination to the cesspool of their hate.
Any recommendations for a good brain bleach after each session?
Love Doctor Who. The Doctor wouldn't put up with these two for two seconds-- in fact he might accidentally dematerialize THE TARDIS on both of them. That would be nice.
"Was it a useful attempt to reach across the aisle?"
Hatemongers don't want to be reached out to. We are The Enemy to them. They have their ghastly, inhumane narrative and nothing is going to change that. One might as well reach out to the Klan. Or Nazis. Or MAGAts. These people have nothing but animosity for the vast majority of humanity (the not-insanely religious included).
It IS a service to us, though, to make their mindsets and intentions that much clearer, as well as out in the public domain. In that regard, he's a better man than I am, Gunga Din.
Have you seen the 2009 Intelligence Squared debate on the topic: "Is the Catholic Church a force for good in the world?" In that debate, Hitchens is joined by Stephen Fry, and they positively EVISCERATE their opponents! I can provide a link if you're interested, or just search on YouTube.
You don't do it for them, you do it to show them up in the minds of people who might not be totally committed yet, and whose mind you JUST might change. I'm a little sceptical of it but we live in hope.
Thank you for taking the time and energy to interview them and ask follow up questions. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. Dialogue and respect are effective weapons against hate.
Respect is EARNED, and those two haven't come within a light-year of earning mine, anything but, in fact. They are self-involved and self-congratulating, egotistic in the extreme, and closed off to any alternative opinion. They want to treat anyone who isn't one of THEM as "the other," and use that excuse to take any action they feel justified ... which leaves that field WIDE OPEN.
I'd respect or trust them about as far as I can throw a fit.
Actually I'm not sure that your last statement is correct. As the saying goes, something like – a lie can travel around the world before the truth has managed to get it trousers on. And of course you need good faith before you can have dialogue and respect. I haven't watched it yet but I'm pretty sure there would be no respect on their part. They are doing this for their own reasons, and I suspect that whatever turns up on religious websites will be edited to make them look good. The problem is that these days it's far too easy to get your lies out there to an almost worldwide audience.
Yes, if the excessively religious would only stop worrying about what people do in the privacy of their own homes with their wedding tackle, the world would be a much better place.
All I can say is WOW! But, unlike others, I did listen to several of the timestaps. These two hate preachers may deny it, but Hemant definitely made them uncomfortable throughout the video, and you can see it on their faces. Somehow I doubt they will ever grant him another interview.
No, I won't wade through that. I haven't the patience to endure that much ignorance and hatred. Still, I admire Hemant for being willing to go through that gauntlet.
And while I didn't take in any of that video, I wonder if the following question was asked:
"You state that you want gays to die and you celebrate such events from your pulpits. Have you noticed that the gays have NOT responded in kind and do you wonder at all why that is?"
Upvote. Exactly.
This is from the last paragraph of this story, and tells you everything:
he says that if gay people "could get you alone, and no one was looking, they would kill you... They would just straight-up murder you."
In what friggin’ world do these psychos think this is true? Where the eff do they get crap like this from…
Every accusation is a confession.
Because that's what THEY'D like to do.
It's projection, just like all the weirdos seeing pedophiles everywhere, but in their church where so many (probably including themselves) actually are.
The result of demonization.
All those times I was alone with gay people....all those times I was murdered......
🤔
Brother Stephen must've got into his parents' VCR stash and somehow confused "Will and Grace" with "Murder She Wrote."
Jessica Fletcher angry was really something :)
Hell hath no fury like a Jessica Fletcher scorned.
To be fair, Karen would probably remove your vital organs without using anaesthetic if you stole her alcohol or pills.
Damn, my gay best friend of 30 years must have murdered me a million times! How did I not know this? Dumbasses🙄
I've evidently been dead since the 80's!
In high school, there was a lesbian* and a bi woman in my class. No one gave a fuck.
* Fun fact, her cousin who was one grade above us, was gay.
Unbeknownst to me at the time, one of our high school choir directors was gay. I remember him as a terrific guy who really brought out the best in our performances and (no great surprise) got along just as well with our other director, whom I am fairly sure was straight.
The twits who want to allege that the gays would kill us if they could are purely and simply hallucinating ... full freaking stop.
They’re projecting.
That, too ... 😝
Exactly! I was never murdered or molested.
I do though refuse to be alone with a priest or any one of the cloth.
Same here, their fanaticism gives me the willies.
I literally laughed out loud at this. I'm steeped in gayness and never once have I had the urge to murder anyone, not even these absolute zealous lunatics.
Once, I lived in a house with a lesbian and a gay man, yet I'm still here.
I have many gay friends. I'm still standing.
Yeah, but you got better. 😉
"Gays should be put to death because they are more likely to molest children".
Why is this guy not demanding that ALL Catholic priests be put to death?
Don't forget Protestant youth pastors.
It's further down on their list.
Bet taking out serial adulterers like Trump isn't even ON his list, the hypocrite.
Adultery is a favorite sport among kkkristers. The pope tried removing adultery as a sin claiming that calling divorced people adulterers drove them from the church.
They scream about SODOMY!!! without realizing that straights practice sodomy.
A VERY POPULAR form of birth control.
4 out of 5 doctors recommend it (the 5th was an antiabortion Christian). :)
I imagine their screams about sodomy come from a truck stop bathroom somewhere.
Wide-stance christians!
Oh they realise it alright.
Conveniently rewriting what the ACTUAL Sin of Sodom is about.
Trump wrote the list.
Because they never molest anyone of course.
Kill Queer people? Women shouldn't vote. I learned all I wanted to know from those two sentences. "Hold My beer!"--Jesus.
I'd like to expand on the question I posed earlier in this discussion, if you don't mind:
• While most if not all of us would like to see religion erased from our culture, we are real enough about how the world works to recognize that the utter departure of irrational belief from our planet is highly unlikely.
• An immediate corollary to the above point is that those who practice said religions are also unlikely to disappear from society, any more than atheists, the LGBTQ+ community, people of color, or any other minority are.
• The fact is that I as both an atheist and member of the LGBTQ+ community would have NO PROBLEM with religion or religionists 𝗜𝗙 𝗧𝗛𝗘𝗬 𝗪𝗘𝗥𝗘 𝗪𝗜𝗟𝗟𝗜𝗡𝗚 𝗧𝗢 𝗟𝗘𝗔𝗩𝗘 𝗨𝗦 𝗔𝗟𝗢𝗡𝗘.
• The problem is that, owing to certain contents of their holy books, there are plenty of religionists who will insist that they are following the will of their god in castigating those with no belief or alternative sexuality or POCs, though they can cite no secular or logical or evidence-based reasoning for their position. As a direct result, they are unwilling and/or unable to leave us alone.
• These same religionists who threaten us utterly fail to recognize the asymmetry of their hostility against our relative lack thereof and, I suspect, would refuse to acknowledge it if confronted with it.
Thus we have the current circumstance, which amounts to a Mexican Standoff, which will likely perpetuate itself indefinitely. What to do about it is left for discussion here or elsewhere.
As a none I have zero interest in bullet #1, because I think bullet #3 hits it far more on the head. Do your thing, you do you, just don't try and make me do your thing.
As for what to do about this sort of hate: stronger social support. Better living standards, more easily achieved. Reduced poverty. Improved education. Heck even free pre-school. I think a lot of fundamentalism is driven by personal uncertainty, insecurity, unfamiliarity, and people looking to externalize an enemy to be responsible for their problems. Lessen the problems and insecurity, throw all the kids in together for education, there will be a lot less people inventing villains or following the people who invent them.
The problem with fundamentalism is that, as with just about all religions, it is based in uncertainty. If certainty was to be had with ANY religion, there would be just the one, and a great deal of the fussing and fuming could be dispensed with. Because there is no certainty, they rely on numbers to reinforce each other, yet that is not and never will be entirely successful, because other opinions are out there, causing cognitive dissonance all over the place (very messy!).
So as long as they insist on leaning on their dogma, my personal suspicion is that the contretemps will continue.
Religion also keeps them busy. If you are busy hating the other, you don't have time or energy left over for understanding or for compassion to creep in.
And rich.
Some education would also help.
I don't believe the failure to recognize the asymmetry is actually true. I think they not only recognize it but push back by proclaiming the opposite. For example; the ridiculous notion that all gay people will murder you if they can get you alone. Just like the Orange Mussolini, the lies are easily dismissed with the smallest amount of logic but the base eats it up.
Agreed - and I think that circles us back to the root cause issue: the psychology of Cults.
🎯🎯🎯
As a religious person I command you to love as thou wilt 😁
For a very long time, I have loved the phrase: "Except that thou shalt do no harm to another, do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law."
Why we can't codify that is beyond me.
I've always felt the law was there to mediate when my right to do whatever I want interferes with someone else's right to do the same.
Would that it actually WORKED that way ... [sigh]
❤️😉👏👏👏👏So mote it be!
There is no horror that cannot be, and has not been, justified in the name of religion. Extremist, hate-filled fools like these two demonstrate the disconnect between religion and morality about as well as it can be done. That said, never forget their enablers in the pews are every bit as bad as they are, or they wouldn't be there. They also serve as a constant reminder that is it is extremely unlikely the human species will come to its senses before it destroys itself.
Well stated......so true. We can only hope that the human 2.0 version is better. How many operating system upgrades have been pushed out to the Apple iPhones since it started? How many iPhone versions since its invention? And yet here we humans are....2000 years after so called "jesus" still full of draconian and archaic dogma, ideology and hate.
While not exactly the same analogy, you get what I'm putting down here.
I do. Humans are upgraded apes but with bug-ridden software.
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Exactly, how will we ever work the flaws out of them? No one has to be perfect, but hate-filled people, should be removed from society, and marooned on an island somewhere.
And spayed.
😁🎯🎯🎯🎯
I guess we need another flood, another deluge.
Who shall be our next Noah? 🤣
I am not going to listen to that and bring their words into my life, I’m not going to suffer the fools.
Asking monkeys why they like to toss their own feces? The answer is simply monkeys do what monkeys do. When the zoo puts up plexiglass they don’t discuss it with the monkeys.
There are Professional bad people in the world and they all can find a niche to Practice their trade.
If there was a way to tag a fetus’s eventual sexual orientation would it be OK with aborting them. Or if they can identify a 12 year-old who is Homosexual, kill them? Or maybe that doesn’t produce the right publicity so they tag them until they’re old enough to more easily demonize them and then murder them.
The reality is if there was a serial pedophile in an area they wouldn’t look at the gays, they would look at these two men, they are the types that statistically are the pedophiles, not gays. That should make everybody question if they’re simply hiding something.
As a young girl I always had great creep radar, and I know to just run away from that kind, never doubt your instincts.
𝑠𝑜𝑚𝑒 𝑝𝑒𝑜𝑝𝑙𝑒 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑐𝑟𝑖𝑡𝑖𝑐𝑖𝑧𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑤ℎ𝑜𝑙𝑒 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑠𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑜𝑛 𝑝𝑟𝑖𝑛𝑐𝑖𝑝𝑙𝑒. 𝑇ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑠𝑎𝑦 𝐼’𝑚 𝑔𝑖𝑣𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑎 𝑝𝑙𝑎𝑡𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑚 𝑡𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑠𝑒 ℎ𝑎𝑡𝑒-𝑚𝑜𝑛𝑔𝑒𝑟
Ignore the critics in this case. Since it's being published on their Rumble channel, there will be a lot more fundies who end up hearing Hemant for the first time, than liberals who hear Shelly & Thompson for the first time.
𝑆𝑜 ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒’𝑠 𝑜𝑢𝑟 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑠𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛
Could I request/suggest a post of your thoughts, observations, etc. on how it went? As someone who grew up in the pleistocene, I enjoy reading essays far more than watching videos. It's also a time saver; video starts off content-poor due to the inclusion of intros, side conversations, etc., and even just considering the segments which are all content, I can still read someone's comments a lot faster than most people can speak them.
[𝐵𝑟𝑜𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑆𝑡𝑒𝑝ℎ𝑒𝑛] 𝑠𝑎𝑦𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑖𝑓 𝑔𝑎𝑦 𝑝𝑒𝑜𝑝𝑙𝑒 "𝑐𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝑔𝑒𝑡 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑎𝑙𝑜𝑛𝑒, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑛𝑜 𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑤𝑎𝑠 𝑙𝑜𝑜𝑘𝑖𝑛𝑔, 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑤𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝑘𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑦𝑜𝑢... 𝑇ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑤𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝑗𝑢𝑠𝑡 𝑠𝑡𝑟𝑎𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑡-𝑢𝑝 𝑚𝑢𝑟𝑑𝑒𝑟 𝑦𝑜𝑢.
Yeah, because no straight dude has (intentionally, or even unknowingly) roomed with a gay dude ever. Lol. I did a couple Halloweens in the Castro. It's hard to get gayer than that. I got straight-up groped by drunk dudes but I somehow lived to tell the tale.
In my younger days, I lived in Key West for a couple of years, and the hottest bar in town was a gay club. Never met nicer people, never had more fun, and never had to tell anyone twice that I wasn't interested in a same-sex hook-up because once was enough for people to respect where you were coming from. I never felt that safe in a straight bar, just FYI.
I went to a lesbian bar, back when I was in CO Springs. No bull, just interesting conversation. Not there to 'hit on anyone'.
Preferred the gay bars when I was in Dallas. More entertaining than the redneck (boring as hell) bars around.
I spent the 80's, and 90's in a gay bar, because they had the best DJ (I love to dance) and my bestie was a gay guy. They didn't have many girls, so no one ever hit on me.
I'm with you, Natalie, my gay bar experience was awesome. At the club I went to, if you told somebody you weren't interested, that was it. And a minute later you could be out on the floor dancing with the same girl, no hard feelings, just respect. It was the best place to go have fun, dance the night away, and as I said, I never felt safer.
*sigh* I miss that. My bestie was a victim of the AIDs epidemic, and I will never stop blaming Reagan and the republicans.
OMG. I'm so very sorry to hear about your best friend. My heart goes out to you. I was just thinking the other day about how far we've come in treating HIV, but it came too late for so many wonderful people. My deepest sympathies, Natalie.
Yes. I would love the transcripts!
Go to https://youtu.be/voadwDT9FiY underneath the vid where Hemant wrote a blurb, click on "More," then scroll down until you see a section labeled "Transcript" click on the "Show transcript" button. The page will scroll back to the top and a transcript box will open, highlight the text, it will take a minute or so, then copy pasta into a word processor of your choice.
You did it so I don't have to, and for that I thank you.
Something that I forgot to point out in my original comment, the remark that gay people are out to kill others, given the opportunity, because it is an outright lie and projection, is an intentional choice by that preacher to vilify LGBTQ people so that his congregation feels good about allowing what would rationally be an injustice to happen, and also to create a sense of hatred and violence against LGBTQ people personally. It is an important step in stoking stochastic terrorism. I pointed out that it the gays are not killing others, but forgot the reason the statement was said in the first place. It may be more difficult nowadays to completely dehumanize LGBTQ people (and any other minority group), even though they try, but turning them into villains is much easier. Even if some parents of LGBTQ people are willing to cast out their children for being LGBTQ, they cannot dismiss them as not human beings, having created the children themselves. It was easier in a time where LGBTQ people were in the closet and folks didn't know they knew a gay man or lesbian woman. Or when superstition ruled and fairies were trading babies for changelings. But today, fairies are fun little stories and LGBTQ people are real people that we talk to everyday and don't hide (as much).
It is not far from how dictators talk about their chosen demographic leading up to the genocides they commit. That these guys are not in political power provides us some defense, but they're paving the path for someone who can be powerful (or someone who is despite his felony convictions) in the hearts and minds of the folks within their reach.
Yes. To justify circling the wagons and "self defensing" someone, one must reinvent them as a villain.
I wish the bigots were just fun little stories, in which they were never rewarded for being bad people.
"After insisting that it’s the government, not random people, that ought to be “dishing out capital punishment,”"
You cannot expect that message will get through to your congregation when in the same breath you are praising the random people who are dishing out capital punishment. When you are including in your sermons the relief you feel when LGBTQ people are murdered while simply living their lives. Simply stating the government should be doing something is not telling your congregation that only the government should be doing it, and if they see that the government is not doing it, then they will certainly see an opportunity to become the hand of government. These preachers, despite never acknowledging it for it will give away the game, know damned well that is the message they are sending. Which brings me to...
"he says that if gay people "could get you alone, and no one was looking, they would kill you... They would just straight-up murder you.""
Projection adequate to cover the moon from Earth. If this was remotely true, there would be millions of cases of gay people murdering, or attempting to murder, people. But there are not. Even saying there are some gay people who would kill if given the opportunity would be showing up in our crime statistics, and they are not. Not even a little bit. They certainly aren't out there killing unprovoked, so any cases of LGBTQ people of actually attempting or committing murder are instances where they were defending themselves (or others) and a rare minority where an LGBTQ person was harassed to extremes and finally lashed out.
No, it is not the LGBTQ community who are out to kill, it is the people who believe God told them LGBTQ people are abominations and deserve torture and death. These preachers, if they aren't doing it themselves, they're using their platforms for the stochastic terrorism to make it happen.
Reaching out to speak with these people to hear their side helps defend against claims of misrepresenting them or creating strawmen, though I choose not to watch the video for sake of my sanity. When something happens, because it will despite their hemming and hawing about the government doing it, when something happens and there is a link to their sermons, they should be held responsible. Similar to the parents of that school shooter, the ones who gave him guns and ignored his mental health professionals advice.
They certainly don't want their victims to have a say in government, they might have to give up their abuse. This is the only reason folks are pushing to revoke the 19th Amendment. Fuck them and fuck that shit. You will take my vote from my cold, dead hands.
Them insisting that "the government is the only one to hand out capital punishment"...... is just them setting themselves up for plausible deniability when one of their crazy extremist followers bombs a gay bar.....
Right.
"I never told them to kill 'em. I only ever said the government should and that lone gunman was doin' the lord's work and will have a special place in heaven. He's saved us all from the pedos."
It's enough to let him skate at a trial, but he knows good and well what he's saying.
Just like the fucking forced-birther assholes, winding up their mentally ill congregants by going on about killing babies and shit. Then when they act exactly as they have been programmed to, they say say "Oh we never told them to do that!"
Yeah, who was it who had a talk show and kept harping on the one doctor until someone murdered the dr, then it was all “I never told them to kill him”.
Then there’s Tucker Carlson, who prattles on and on about the great replacement and was shocked that gunmen quote him profusely in their manifestos, before they go on a shooting spree in black and brown places.
I found this while looking for the talk show hosts name.
I hate that the media usually does not spell it out like this “From 1977 to 2020 in America, anti-abortion activists committed at least 11 murders, 26 attempted murders, 956 threats of harm or death, 624 stalking incidents and four kidnappings, according to data collected by the National Abortion Federation. They have bombed 42 abortion clinics, set 194 on fire, attempted to bomb or burn an additional 104 and made 667 bomb threats.
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Republicans and the wider anti-abortion movement have often condemned this terror but other times have signaled their tacit, or even explicit, support for it. According to David Cohen, author of “Living in the Crosshairs: The Untold Stories of Anti-Abortion Terrorism,” the GOP has worked in “conjunction” with extreme anti-abortion activists for decades. “They can let the extremists engage in violence, harassment and threats to accomplish the same goal that the mainstream movement tries to accomplish through legislation and other policy changes,” Cohen said.
The GOP has sometimes flaunted its ties to its militant anti-abortion brethren, like when Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) formed a “Pro-Lifers for Cruz” coalition as part of his presidential campaign in 2016 and named Troy Newman as a national co-chair.
Newman is the president of a radical anti-abortion group and the author of “Their Blood Cries Out,” a book that crafts a Christian justification for killing abortion providers. The book compared one specific abortion provider, Dr. George Tiller, to Adolf Hitler. Tiller was gunned down in 2009 by a man who owned a copy of “Their Blood Cries Out” and who had the phone number of Newman’s organization, Operation Rescue, on a Post-it note in his car.(Confronted with Newman’s history of extremism, Cruz doubled down on his involvement in the campaign.)”.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/anti-abortion-movement-killed-people-094505241.html?
It was O'Reilly I was thinking about, I found it in the Wikipedia about Tiller's murder,
"Fox News Channel commentator Bill O'Reilly has also been accused of demonizing Tiller.[72] O'Reilly was found to have mentioned Tiller by name on The O'Reilly Factor, his show on the Fox News Channel, 42 separate times prior to Tiller's death, referring to him specifically as a "baby killer" in 24 instances.[73] O'Reilly said he was not responsible for Tiller's death and defended his campaign against Tiller, saying:
"When I heard about Tiller's murder, I knew pro-abortion zealots and Fox News haters would attempt to blame us for the crime, and that's exactly what has happened. [...] Every single thing we said about Tiller was true, and my analysis was based on those facts. [...] Now, it's clear that the far left is exploiting — exploiting — the death of the doctor. Those vicious individuals want to stifle any criticism of people like Tiller. That — and hating Fox News — is the real agenda here.[74]""
Which is exactly what I was saying above, they harp and harp on people they do not like then when someone does exactly what they suggest over and over again, it's all "you can't blame me, I never lied, I never meant for anyone to kill him, the left just hates me."
Linky https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_George_Tiller#:~:text=On%20May%2031%2C%202009%2C%20George,%2C%20an%20anti%2Dabortion%20extremist.
Cold dead hands.......love it
BRAVO!!!
Locked around their cold dead throat.
I might watch portions. It would be interesting to examine their ideology on some of those topics and try to determine just how steep and slippery the slope is from the rabbit hole of indoctrination to the cesspool of their hate.
Any recommendations for a good brain bleach after each session?
Doctor Who ?
Love Doctor Who. The Doctor wouldn't put up with these two for two seconds-- in fact he might accidentally dematerialize THE TARDIS on both of them. That would be nice.
"Any recommendations for a good brain bleach after each session?"
Tequila. Preferably in gallon jugs.
I feel like that's less "brain bleach" and more "express route to alcohol poisoning"...
Hemant:
How long did you have to shower after being in the same room with those shitbags?
Still in the shower.
We don't envy you at all. Thank you for your courage.
❤️Silkwood shower, no doubt. (Yes, I'm old)
He needed a Silkwood shower to get everything off of him.
I never remember to read down! GMTA!
"Was it a useful attempt to reach across the aisle?"
Hatemongers don't want to be reached out to. We are The Enemy to them. They have their ghastly, inhumane narrative and nothing is going to change that. One might as well reach out to the Klan. Or Nazis. Or MAGAts. These people have nothing but animosity for the vast majority of humanity (the not-insanely religious included).
It IS a service to us, though, to make their mindsets and intentions that much clearer, as well as out in the public domain. In that regard, he's a better man than I am, Gunga Din.
Can you imagine what Hitch would've done with these two haters? He'd have eaten both of them and not missed a bite.
The phrase: "verbal evisceration" comes to mind! Christopher was extraordinarily adept at that!
I would have paid to see that verbal battle royal!
Have you seen the 2009 Intelligence Squared debate on the topic: "Is the Catholic Church a force for good in the world?" In that debate, Hitchens is joined by Stephen Fry, and they positively EVISCERATE their opponents! I can provide a link if you're interested, or just search on YouTube.
Yes, please! Link.
Here are our heroes, putting it to the Catholicism supporters:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk5_Uxe5bZY&list=PLymw2qVmixlOTEkGa8xiENiD-0EgkK97b
And here's the full debate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCH2NG9qTSw
I agree, and I use that Kipling quote alot as well!
You don't do it for them, you do it to show them up in the minds of people who might not be totally committed yet, and whose mind you JUST might change. I'm a little sceptical of it but we live in hope.
Thank you for taking the time and energy to interview them and ask follow up questions. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. Dialogue and respect are effective weapons against hate.
As are AR 15's. 105MM Howitzers, 106MM Recoilless and various mortars.
Willy Pete
Prefer a flame-thrower, myself. /s
Respect is EARNED, and those two haven't come within a light-year of earning mine, anything but, in fact. They are self-involved and self-congratulating, egotistic in the extreme, and closed off to any alternative opinion. They want to treat anyone who isn't one of THEM as "the other," and use that excuse to take any action they feel justified ... which leaves that field WIDE OPEN.
I'd respect or trust them about as far as I can throw a fit.
Actually I'm not sure that your last statement is correct. As the saying goes, something like – a lie can travel around the world before the truth has managed to get it trousers on. And of course you need good faith before you can have dialogue and respect. I haven't watched it yet but I'm pretty sure there would be no respect on their part. They are doing this for their own reasons, and I suspect that whatever turns up on religious websites will be edited to make them look good. The problem is that these days it's far too easy to get your lies out there to an almost worldwide audience.
My take from that statement is we should worry less about who has their trousers on. :)
Yes, if the excessively religious would only stop worrying about what people do in the privacy of their own homes with their wedding tackle, the world would be a much better place.
My friend calls them "Crotch christians".
All I can say is WOW! But, unlike others, I did listen to several of the timestaps. These two hate preachers may deny it, but Hemant definitely made them uncomfortable throughout the video, and you can see it on their faces. Somehow I doubt they will ever grant him another interview.