By the standards of the modern world, the people who wrote the Bible didn’t know much of anything. I will never understand why people put so much faith in ancient myths that have nothing to support them other than their appearance in a magic book. You would think if the Bible is really the word of God, then the discoveries of science would be confirming the Bible not contradicting it. No discovery of science ever pointed to the truth of any religious doctrine.
The commenters at Christian Post keep repeating that archaeological and scientific discoveries confirm the bible. It is useless to ask them to explain themselves.
The question becomes whether or not they can cite any HARD DATA to substantiate their position. My guess is that they can't, so they assert and assert without substance.
Which is what they do most if not all the time anyway.
Interesting, yet Davyboy seems to disagree with your findings! Yet Tyre was an economic hub during the Hellenistic period, does sound like prosperity to me!
The Tyre which was destroyed has never been rebuilt. The following is taken from another site.
If Tyre were to be truly “rebuilt,” then everything mentioned in Ezekiel 27 would have to be restored:
– national prominence and regional influence (see Ezekiel 27:3)
– national strength and security (see Ezekiel 27:10–11)
– wealth and prosperity and opulence (see Ezekiel 27:3–4, 33)
The prophecy of Ezekiel 26:14 does not mean there would never be anything built on the island. It means that, after its final defeat by wave after wave of conquerors, Tyre would never regain the status it held in Ezekiel’s day. Tyre would never again be a commercial superpower, a world trader, or a colonizer. Tyrians would never again possess the riches and prosperity they had in their city’s heyday.
I would respond that they found Athens so the Iliad is true and that proves that the Greek gods are real. At that point the jesusfuckers would either use special pleading or that is not real evidence line.
I have come to the conclusion that most jesusfuckers don’t understand the meaning of words like contemporary, evidence, facts; nor the phrase such as burden of proof, and peer review articles, etc.
They think because they are Christian that they have the “ultimate truth” and the rest of us should accept what ever they say as a fact and be thankful that they are imparting this knowledge to us. Yet, the Christians get upset and outrage when we (rest of us) ask for evidence, or question them. If they (jesusfuckers) have the ultimate truth, then IT SHOULD BE ABLE TO STAND UP TO QUESTIONS, CRITICISMS, AND MOCKERY!
Sorry for the rant, but I am tired of explaining to these jesusfuckers that I won’t blindly accept or obey just because they (Christians) tell me to obey due to a magical book that they believe in.
If you want to document that assertion to a fare-thee-well, complete with footnotes to a wealth of other scholarly sources, check out David Fitzgerald's "Nailed: Ten Christian Myths That Show Jesus Never Existed At All" as well as his trilogy "PLAYING GOD: An Evolutionary History of World Religion" at http://davidfitzgerald.org/books/
Ohhhhh, yer talkin' to the WRONG GUY as it comes to that. My handle – "Troublesh00ter" – ain't some fanciful moniker. I spent 30 years as a Field Service Engineer, diagnosing and solving customers' problems with their devices or systems. Throughout all that time, I had to deal in FACTS and EVIDENCE to return those gadgets to functionality. The customers expected nothing less than that, never mind being upset that, in some cases, that widget being down was costing them as much as four figures (sometimes more!) for every hour it wasn't working. It took a while to build those skills, but they got built.
And they left me with an appreciation for facts and evidence which sticks with me to this day. As for "belief?" There's always this:
These are people for whom the comforting lies and myths they believe are their only reality. And because they get themselves elected to policy-making positions, they are able to impose their anti-reality worldview on all of us. They are destroying our ability as a society to plan ahead for natural and man-made disasters and ultimately will doom us to a failed civilization.
Plus there are archeaological records of entire civilizations being wiped out by climate change. Also the ice age didn't end ten thousand years ago. This woman knows nothing.
If it isn't scientists telling us what we should do to save the environment, then who should we be listening to to save the environment? The rest of your statement suggests that you believe we should do nothing to save the environment, and just continue trashing it because you are expecting the world to end before any climate issues inconvenience you in any substantial way.
People who are actively rooting for the end of the world should not be allowed to govern the majority who do not wish for the world to end.
This stupid ninny thinks that there can be absolutes in a relative world. Worse, she wants ALL OF US to rely on HER "absolute" to reassure us that it's all going to be okay, pat-pat. The indoctrination couldn't be stronger in her if she had spent her life going to Jesus Camp.
And I doubt there's much if any cure for her. She knows what she believes and cannot be bothered with inconvenient things like FACTS.
Reality can't be argued with or told, "No, that can't be what is; besides, I don't like it!" It's childish and reductive and it helps no one. And let's keep in mind, too:
Based upon my background in science, I believe that "true" should be understood as subject to revision depending upon new facts or understanding of natural phenomena. Science is not prescriptive in the sense of telling you "what should be". It deals with "what is".
I take a somewhat different view. What scientific theories are is the current best explanation of the way things are, but they are both contingent and corrigible.
I think our views have more in common than you think. What concerns me is how science as a tool to better understand our world loses support when it's hijacked by partisans for their own purposes or scientific results are shaded by ideology. The ongoing problem with lack of replication and outright fraud in scientific studies makes it easier for the anti-science forces to get an audience.
Religiots are fond of pointing out that science has in the past made mistakes, and they are certainly correct about that. Too bad they fail to then proceed to the next step in the process, which is that the WAY we discovered that they WERE mistakes was not thru religion but thru more science. Furthermore, moving to a better understanding was almost always achieved by refining existing almost-correct explanations, not throwing them all out for something completely different (let alone based on woo).
People like Franson are the morons who took the phrase "global warming" literally, thinking it meant that there would never be snow or cold weather ever again. They're too stupid to understand that a change of one degree is enough to completely alter weather patterns. Where do they think carbon dioxide and vehicle emissions go? Out into space? They just disappear?
The Egyptian Pyramids, domesticated cats (with the exception of one verse in the Apocrypha), Non-avian dinosaurs (mythical animals falsely branded as dinosaurs don't count!), one cell animals, bacteria, people living in the Americas, Australia, Antarctica, China, Japan, India, and other East Asian regions. None of them are found in the Bible.
So go ahead deny them all, you ignoramus boob. They're not going away at all.
The truth is State Rep. Mary Franson and many other Christians are life-denying, life-hating peoples. The way we treat our only home (planet earth) is a reflection of the influence and power they have had for far too long. They don’t care if the “world ends” or everyone and everything dies because they believe a better life will follow. I saw a clip of State Rep. Mary Franson spewing this nonsense before I read this piece. Absolutely embarrassing this idiot was elected to represent anyone! Absolutely embarrassing for this country to add to a very long list. It’s like waking up into a fresh hell every morning.
"The Pale Blue Dot." Yet more brilliance from a brilliant man.
The first time I was confronted by JWs at my old place up north, I asked them if they knew who Carl Sagan was. No great surprise, they didn't. And I told him that great maxim: "I don't want to believe; I want to KNOW." I doubt that got what I had to say or even cared that I said it ... or the massive difference between believing and knowing. [sigh]
And here we have the very quintessence of MAGAtous intelligence, such as it is.
The smart people are trying to fix it now. But you don’t want to listen to them because you’re smarter than they are. Your God may be giving us time right now, but you don’t want to believe that your God is giving us time right now because that would contradict your MAGAtous faith in the far right..
As i said in my other comment, we cannot reach these people. They are blind to their own contradictions. They are blinded to their own blindness. Maybe it’s the severe case of recto-cranial inversion. It’s not only going around right now, it seems to be epidemic, and running for office.
I wonder if she is aware that we ALREADY have the people who know how to "fix it." Problem is that Donnie Dumb-Ass doesn't WANT to fix it, doesn't even believe that it needs to be fixed, and would prefer to go on his own merry way while Rome burns.
You do not want to guess how much that INFURIATES me to write that.
Insert joke about the guy who drowns in a predicted flood and asks God why he didn’t answer his prayers. The experts are here! Just like the pickup truck came by to save the idiot.
How many believers have sold everything they had in anticipation of one Rapture or another that never came? The endless gullibility of some is positively shameful.
"If climate change is real, God will take care of it."
It is. He's actually taking care of it by using people to help preserve the world in unique ways whether is working to put a stop on excessive burning of fossil fuels, salvaging junk from landfills and the oceans, cleaning up pollutants from the air, land, and sea, and so much more.
When the "crazy" becomes too great, I remind myself that these same people actually believe that they're "pro-life". (And that God wouldn't LITERALLY be "history's most prolific abortionist".)
So she admits hypocritically that she does hate the Japanese in spite of Jesus telling His followers not to hate but to love one another and love your neighbor as yourself and in spite of the Bible saying in a lot of ways hate is sin.
But Saturday will be different. This is the first NO KINGS in this fairly small town. I suspect most MAGA are pretty conflicted about Trump this week. And as far as the Pedophile Protector shirt, that's an issue that may be equally important to MAGA (at least until Trump is proven in up to his neck, at which time Trump official government slogan may as well be, "Pussy Grabber-In-Chief", and we'll all be looking for bridges to jump off.)
From the time God gave us, 30 years have already been wasted. While the smart people were trying to fix climate change, their efforts were sabotaged, first by a stupid US president withdrawing from the Kyoto Protocol, and then by an even stupider president withdrawing from the Paris Agreement, and then doing it again in his second term.
I just heard from my lovely daughter that I'm a grandpa for the second time. At once, I think that's both wonderful and tragic. The kids are GORGEOUS, but I can't help but wonder what kind of world they will live in.
I'm an old soak, but that don't mean I don't give one hell of a damn about all of 'em.
I am an LGBTQ person who has retired in Jonesboro, Arkansas because my only child and grandchildren live here. Congratulations! Keep fighting to make a better world for them! Before too long you can introduce them to Severence Hall.
Well, at the current time, they and the work they do are in the mythical land of The Garden State, New Jersey. It may be that, sometime or other, they will come for a visit or I'll go there.
By the standards of the modern world, the people who wrote the Bible didn’t know much of anything. I will never understand why people put so much faith in ancient myths that have nothing to support them other than their appearance in a magic book. You would think if the Bible is really the word of God, then the discoveries of science would be confirming the Bible not contradicting it. No discovery of science ever pointed to the truth of any religious doctrine.
The commenters at Christian Post keep repeating that archaeological and scientific discoveries confirm the bible. It is useless to ask them to explain themselves.
The question becomes whether or not they can cite any HARD DATA to substantiate their position. My guess is that they can't, so they assert and assert without substance.
Which is what they do most if not all the time anyway.
"They found Jericho, and it was destroyed!"
But it wasn't a massive walled city, and the destruction layers predate the conquest by centuries. It wasn't there when Joshua allegedly conquered it.
"But they found Jericho and it was destroyed!"
...
The bible said the city of Tyre was destroyed and never to be rebuilt.
Take a gander at the wikipage on the very real present-day Tyre. It calls the bible a liar without actually needing to call the bible a liar.
Interesting, yet Davyboy seems to disagree with your findings! Yet Tyre was an economic hub during the Hellenistic period, does sound like prosperity to me!
You know you're getting to him with facts when he responds to you despite the fact that you aren't even talking to him. :)
The Tyre which was destroyed has never been rebuilt. The following is taken from another site.
If Tyre were to be truly “rebuilt,” then everything mentioned in Ezekiel 27 would have to be restored:
– national prominence and regional influence (see Ezekiel 27:3)
– national strength and security (see Ezekiel 27:10–11)
– wealth and prosperity and opulence (see Ezekiel 27:3–4, 33)
The prophecy of Ezekiel 26:14 does not mean there would never be anything built on the island. It means that, after its final defeat by wave after wave of conquerors, Tyre would never regain the status it held in Ezekiel’s day. Tyre would never again be a commercial superpower, a world trader, or a colonizer. Tyrians would never again possess the riches and prosperity they had in their city’s heyday.
I would respond that they found Athens so the Iliad is true and that proves that the Greek gods are real. At that point the jesusfuckers would either use special pleading or that is not real evidence line.
I have come to the conclusion that most jesusfuckers don’t understand the meaning of words like contemporary, evidence, facts; nor the phrase such as burden of proof, and peer review articles, etc.
They think because they are Christian that they have the “ultimate truth” and the rest of us should accept what ever they say as a fact and be thankful that they are imparting this knowledge to us. Yet, the Christians get upset and outrage when we (rest of us) ask for evidence, or question them. If they (jesusfuckers) have the ultimate truth, then IT SHOULD BE ABLE TO STAND UP TO QUESTIONS, CRITICISMS, AND MOCKERY!
Sorry for the rant, but I am tired of explaining to these jesusfuckers that I won’t blindly accept or obey just because they (Christians) tell me to obey due to a magical book that they believe in.
They found Troy, so Brad Pitt really was Achilles. 😜
LOL 😳
They really don’t seem to understand the difference between a claim and evidence for the claim.
There is no definitive evidence Jesus ever existed.
Or Moses. Or Abraham.
Or God!
Boom!💥
There ISN'T??? Ohmygoodnessgraciousme! And besides that, Heavens to Mergatroyd (with apologies to Snagglepuss!).
There really is just no dealing with some people, sad to say.
If you want to document that assertion to a fare-thee-well, complete with footnotes to a wealth of other scholarly sources, check out David Fitzgerald's "Nailed: Ten Christian Myths That Show Jesus Never Existed At All" as well as his trilogy "PLAYING GOD: An Evolutionary History of World Religion" at http://davidfitzgerald.org/books/
You just have to believe what we tell and don't go looking at all the evidence that proves us wrong.
Ohhhhh, yer talkin' to the WRONG GUY as it comes to that. My handle – "Troublesh00ter" – ain't some fanciful moniker. I spent 30 years as a Field Service Engineer, diagnosing and solving customers' problems with their devices or systems. Throughout all that time, I had to deal in FACTS and EVIDENCE to return those gadgets to functionality. The customers expected nothing less than that, never mind being upset that, in some cases, that widget being down was costing them as much as four figures (sometimes more!) for every hour it wasn't working. It took a while to build those skills, but they got built.
And they left me with an appreciation for facts and evidence which sticks with me to this day. As for "belief?" There's always this:
𝑁𝑜 𝑎𝑚𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑡 𝑜𝑓 𝑏𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑒𝑓 𝑚𝑎𝑘𝑒𝑠 𝑠𝑜𝑚𝑒𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑎 𝑓𝑎𝑐𝑡.
-- James Randi
Sounds like a certain resident Christian that we all know!
These are people for whom the comforting lies and myths they believe are their only reality. And because they get themselves elected to policy-making positions, they are able to impose their anti-reality worldview on all of us. They are destroying our ability as a society to plan ahead for natural and man-made disasters and ultimately will doom us to a failed civilization.
They can't so they resort to lying, stupidity, denial, slander, projections of themselves, etc.
"I will never understand why people put so much faith in ancient myths"
There are lots of different mythological systems, I fail to understand why we should accept one and discount all the others.
Plus there are archeaological records of entire civilizations being wiped out by climate change. Also the ice age didn't end ten thousand years ago. This woman knows nothing.
𝐼𝑡’𝑠 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑖𝑛 𝑠𝑐𝑖𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑠 𝑑𝑖𝑐𝑡𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑤ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑤𝑒 𝑠ℎ𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑠ℎ𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑑𝑜 𝑡𝑜 𝑠𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑒𝑛𝑣𝑖𝑟𝑜𝑛𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡. 𝐵𝑒𝑐𝑎𝑢𝑠𝑒 𝑚𝑦 𝑓𝑎𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑖𝑠 𝑖𝑛 𝐽𝑒𝑠𝑢𝑠 𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡, 𝑟𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑡? 𝐻𝑒’𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑎𝑚𝑒 𝑡𝑜𝑑𝑎𝑦, 𝑡𝑜𝑚𝑜𝑟𝑟𝑜𝑤, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟. 𝑌𝑒𝑠𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑑𝑎𝑦. 𝐴𝑛𝑑 𝑠𝑜, 𝑢𝑚, 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑘𝑛𝑜𝑤, 𝑖𝑓 𝑦𝑜𝑢’𝑣𝑒 𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐺𝑜𝑜𝑑 𝐵𝑜𝑜𝑘, 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑘𝑛𝑜𝑤 ℎ𝑜𝑤 𝑖𝑡 𝑒𝑛𝑑𝑠. 𝐼𝑡’𝑠 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑐𝑙𝑖𝑚𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝑐ℎ𝑎𝑛𝑔𝑒.
Hey Franson:
If it isn't scientists telling us what we should do to save the environment, then who should we be listening to to save the environment? The rest of your statement suggests that you believe we should do nothing to save the environment, and just continue trashing it because you are expecting the world to end before any climate issues inconvenience you in any substantial way.
People who are actively rooting for the end of the world should not be allowed to govern the majority who do not wish for the world to end.
This stupid ninny thinks that there can be absolutes in a relative world. Worse, she wants ALL OF US to rely on HER "absolute" to reassure us that it's all going to be okay, pat-pat. The indoctrination couldn't be stronger in her if she had spent her life going to Jesus Camp.
And I doubt there's much if any cure for her. She knows what she believes and cannot be bothered with inconvenient things like FACTS.
If I had a $ for every time the BIBLE tells us to be "good stewards" of the home given us...
I could save Earth myself!
How do all those verses just get skipped over? (Yeah, I know. Just like they skip over the Sermon On the Mount.)
They would have actually read the book to know what was in it, but that is too hard.
The "Patron Saint of Stupid" wouldn't have like it.
But, she got one thing right - her Jesus is the same today, tomorrow and forever - undetectable and most likely non-existent.
THIS is the very reason the key founders wanted church and state to be kept as far apart as possible.
Neil deGrasse Tyson might have been talking to Franson when he said this:
"The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it."
𝑅𝑒𝑎𝑙𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝑖𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑤ℎ𝑖𝑐ℎ, 𝑤ℎ𝑒𝑛 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑠𝑡𝑜𝑝 𝑏𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑒𝑣𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑖𝑛 𝑖𝑡, 𝑑𝑜𝑒𝑠𝑛'𝑡 𝑔𝑜 𝑎𝑤𝑎𝑦.
-- Philip K. Dick
Reality can't be argued with or told, "No, that can't be what is; besides, I don't like it!" It's childish and reductive and it helps no one. And let's keep in mind, too:
𝑊ℎ𝑒𝑛 𝑡𝑜𝑥𝑖𝑐 𝑖𝑑𝑒𝑜𝑙𝑜𝑔𝑦 𝑟𝑢𝑛𝑠 ℎ𝑒𝑎𝑑𝑙𝑜𝑛𝑔 𝑖𝑛𝑡𝑜 𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑙𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝑎𝑛𝑑 ℎ𝑢𝑚𝑎𝑛 𝑏𝑒𝑖𝑛𝑔𝑠, 𝑖𝑡 𝑎𝑖𝑛'𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑖𝑑𝑒𝑜𝑙𝑜𝑔𝑦 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑔𝑒𝑡𝑠 ℎ𝑢𝑟𝑡.
-- me
Reality can be denied especially if you live in an echo chamber. But, eventually, reality bites back as I think we're seeing with Trump.
Based upon my background in science, I believe that "true" should be understood as subject to revision depending upon new facts or understanding of natural phenomena. Science is not prescriptive in the sense of telling you "what should be". It deals with "what is".
I take a somewhat different view. What scientific theories are is the current best explanation of the way things are, but they are both contingent and corrigible.
I think our views have more in common than you think. What concerns me is how science as a tool to better understand our world loses support when it's hijacked by partisans for their own purposes or scientific results are shaded by ideology. The ongoing problem with lack of replication and outright fraud in scientific studies makes it easier for the anti-science forces to get an audience.
Religiots are fond of pointing out that science has in the past made mistakes, and they are certainly correct about that. Too bad they fail to then proceed to the next step in the process, which is that the WAY we discovered that they WERE mistakes was not thru religion but thru more science. Furthermore, moving to a better understanding was almost always achieved by refining existing almost-correct explanations, not throwing them all out for something completely different (let alone based on woo).
I am forever trying to figure out the origin of names - is yours Finnish?
It's your god that's a hoax, Franson.
What isn't a hoax is the very real threat you and your brethren are to everyone on the planet.
A threat to everyone, and to every part of human society!
Like I said in yesterday thread: United States exporting Christian fascism is one export that the world doesn’t NEED OR WANT!
People like Franson are the morons who took the phrase "global warming" literally, thinking it meant that there would never be snow or cold weather ever again. They're too stupid to understand that a change of one degree is enough to completely alter weather patterns. Where do they think carbon dioxide and vehicle emissions go? Out into space? They just disappear?
Yes, that is exactly what they think (I use that term loosely).
The Egyptian Pyramids, domesticated cats (with the exception of one verse in the Apocrypha), Non-avian dinosaurs (mythical animals falsely branded as dinosaurs don't count!), one cell animals, bacteria, people living in the Americas, Australia, Antarctica, China, Japan, India, and other East Asian regions. None of them are found in the Bible.
So go ahead deny them all, you ignoramus boob. They're not going away at all.
I have two of the beasts sitting on me as I type this. Domesticated cats is an oxymoron!
Delusional bullshit and imaginary friends.
The truth is State Rep. Mary Franson and many other Christians are life-denying, life-hating peoples. The way we treat our only home (planet earth) is a reflection of the influence and power they have had for far too long. They don’t care if the “world ends” or everyone and everything dies because they believe a better life will follow. I saw a clip of State Rep. Mary Franson spewing this nonsense before I read this piece. Absolutely embarrassing this idiot was elected to represent anyone! Absolutely embarrassing for this country to add to a very long list. It’s like waking up into a fresh hell every morning.
Do we need loud speakers blasting this everywhere? I know, they won’t hear it anyway:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DUwZWuhkYBr/?igsh=MXN5N3R5bHB3dGd2aA==
"The Pale Blue Dot." Yet more brilliance from a brilliant man.
The first time I was confronted by JWs at my old place up north, I asked them if they knew who Carl Sagan was. No great surprise, they didn't. And I told him that great maxim: "I don't want to believe; I want to KNOW." I doubt that got what I had to say or even cared that I said it ... or the massive difference between believing and knowing. [sigh]
The fuckwits would hear it, but they won’t UNDERSTAND it!
They need to hear the WHOLE thing. All 3 and a half minutes
youtu.be/wupToqz1e2g
😭😭😭
One of the temptations of Jesus Christ was literally "Do something stupid because God said he'd protect you."
There is also this:
“𝑖𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑖𝑠 𝑠𝑢𝑐ℎ 𝑎 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑎𝑠 𝑐𝑙𝑖𝑚𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝑐ℎ𝑎𝑛𝑔𝑒, 𝐼 𝑏𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑒𝑣𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 [𝐺𝑜𝑑] 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑔𝑖𝑣𝑒 𝑢𝑠 𝑡𝑖𝑚𝑒, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑚𝑎𝑟𝑡 𝑝𝑒𝑜𝑝𝑙𝑒 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑓𝑖𝑥 𝑖𝑡.”
And here we have the very quintessence of MAGAtous intelligence, such as it is.
The smart people are trying to fix it now. But you don’t want to listen to them because you’re smarter than they are. Your God may be giving us time right now, but you don’t want to believe that your God is giving us time right now because that would contradict your MAGAtous faith in the far right..
As i said in my other comment, we cannot reach these people. They are blind to their own contradictions. They are blinded to their own blindness. Maybe it’s the severe case of recto-cranial inversion. It’s not only going around right now, it seems to be epidemic, and running for office.
I wonder if she is aware that we ALREADY have the people who know how to "fix it." Problem is that Donnie Dumb-Ass doesn't WANT to fix it, doesn't even believe that it needs to be fixed, and would prefer to go on his own merry way while Rome burns.
You do not want to guess how much that INFURIATES me to write that.
Insert joke about the guy who drowns in a predicted flood and asks God why he didn’t answer his prayers. The experts are here! Just like the pickup truck came by to save the idiot.
If Mary Franson wants to let the bible guide her decisions:
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Purrxactly.
Good grief. It's like burning down your house because Jesus said he was going to prepare a place for you.
How many believers have sold everything they had in anticipation of one Rapture or another that never came? The endless gullibility of some is positively shameful.
Shall we mention all the madness that Harold Camping inspired? Oh dear, I think I just did.
One can make good money on predicting raptures and buying up alll the property cheap, then reselling it back when it doesn't happen.
But in this case she also wants to burn down the whole neighborhood.
From basically the same heartless bastards that brought us the Children's Crusades.
Once at Walmart buying a new car battery, I explained how I didn't mind the extra "battery fee" for helping slow the climate crisis.
The clerk told me, "If climate change is real, God will take care of it."
I'd bet Dr. George Teller wishes these same people were equally lackadaisical about abortion, and less committed to ABANDONING the 6th commandment....
"If climate change is real, God will take care of it."
It is. He's actually taking care of it by using people to help preserve the world in unique ways whether is working to put a stop on excessive burning of fossil fuels, salvaging junk from landfills and the oceans, cleaning up pollutants from the air, land, and sea, and so much more.
OwossoHarpist,
When the "crazy" becomes too great, I remind myself that these same people actually believe that they're "pro-life". (And that God wouldn't LITERALLY be "history's most prolific abortionist".)
Thank you.
Pro-life until they refuse to give their own kids life saving vaccines and beat them for no to any reason until they die.
And you're right. These are also the very people who voted to elect one of the world's biggest, murdering pedophile into the WH twice in a row.
OwossoHarpist,
I once heard (back even before 9/11) the wife of a (white) evangelical preacher here (rural deep south of SC) say...
"I don't hate anybody, because Jesus tells us not to hate. But if I did hate anybody it would be the Japanese."
OwossoHarpist, feel free to file that away for the next time you feel a need to try to understand these poor, sad, ignorant tools.
So she admits hypocritically that she does hate the Japanese in spite of Jesus telling His followers not to hate but to love one another and love your neighbor as yourself and in spite of the Bible saying in a lot of ways hate is sin.
Got it.
Considering her age, I'd guess she grew up listening to WW II stories (50 YEARS earlier.)
BTW,
I plan to wear my "Pedophile Protector" t-shirt to NO KINGS Saturday (from Steve Schmidt Substack shop)
Be careful, I am sure the Trump supporters will also be out in force trying to cause trouble. Be prepared for any possible backlash!
Thank you, John, sincerely.
But I think that bridge already sailed...
"Can wearing progressive messages EVERY DAY for >FIVE YEARS (so far) make a difference? I hope so…"
https://medium.com/@foofaraw/many-more-people-will-die-because-of-trump-i-hope-i-wont-be-one-of-them-41b2f1493036
But Saturday will be different. This is the first NO KINGS in this fairly small town. I suspect most MAGA are pretty conflicted about Trump this week. And as far as the Pedophile Protector shirt, that's an issue that may be equally important to MAGA (at least until Trump is proven in up to his neck, at which time Trump official government slogan may as well be, "Pussy Grabber-In-Chief", and we'll all be looking for bridges to jump off.)
Thank you, John. You stay safe too.
"... 𝑖𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑖𝑠 𝑠𝑢𝑐ℎ 𝑎 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑎𝑠 𝑐𝑙𝑖𝑚𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝑐ℎ𝑎𝑛𝑔𝑒, 𝐼 𝑏𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑒𝑣𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 [𝐺𝑜𝑑] 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑔𝑖𝑣𝑒 𝑢𝑠 𝑡𝑖𝑚𝑒, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑚𝑎𝑟𝑡 𝑝𝑒𝑜𝑝𝑙𝑒 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑓𝑖𝑥 𝑖𝑡.”
From the time God gave us, 30 years have already been wasted. While the smart people were trying to fix climate change, their efforts were sabotaged, first by a stupid US president withdrawing from the Kyoto Protocol, and then by an even stupider president withdrawing from the Paris Agreement, and then doing it again in his second term.
I just heard from my lovely daughter that I'm a grandpa for the second time. At once, I think that's both wonderful and tragic. The kids are GORGEOUS, but I can't help but wonder what kind of world they will live in.
I'm an old soak, but that don't mean I don't give one hell of a damn about all of 'em.
Congrats on being a grandpa again! 👍👍👍👍😄
Thanks a lot, John!
I am an LGBTQ person who has retired in Jonesboro, Arkansas because my only child and grandchildren live here. Congratulations! Keep fighting to make a better world for them! Before too long you can introduce them to Severence Hall.
Well, at the current time, they and the work they do are in the mythical land of The Garden State, New Jersey. It may be that, sometime or other, they will come for a visit or I'll go there.
We'll get there, sometime or other.
Congrats! I would like to be a grandpa, especially before I get too old, but that is not a thing I say to my sons.
ETA: And like you, I worry about the future. Hell, I worry about my kid’s future.
Molte grazie, bro.