They would enact a national abortion ban without a single thought given to the horrific consequences that would ensue. Just so they can act all smug and superior and pretend Jesus loves them more than he does you. Absolutely nothing ever demonstrated the disconnect between religion and morality quite like the evangelical preachers pledging their unconditional love for Donald Trump. The most corrupt, incompetent, and grotesquely immoral President in our history. The irony here is that Trump couldn't care less about the preachers, and is playing them for the fools they are. I wonder how many abortions Trump paid for?
None. Trump has a very long history of not paying his bills. Even on the campaign trail. Last weekend he paid for busses to bring his minions out to the middle of nowhere, but didn't pay the busses to bring them back. He avoided an airport because he owes them thousands of dollars.
He told Howard Stern in an interview he wanted Marla to abort Tiffany. She laughed at him and said it was the "happiest day of their lives." I'm sorry, but considering he was cheating on his wife with a pregnant mistress, that's a rather idiotic take.
Sadly, she and her mom are grifters too, they expected the hairdresser, and estheticians who they hired for Tiffany’s wedding to do their services for free. She became a lawyer (to her credit) got married, she accompanied her father on AF 1 when they left the white House for good, one hopers.
Right off the bat, the Johnson Amendment is out the window, for all intents and purposes, so that's one dead horse we don't need to beat.
As for "voting like Jesus," which Jesus do we want to consider? The one who said, "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you," or the one who said, "But mine enemies, who would not have me rule over them, bring them hither and slay them before me?" Granted that it's a moot question; Howerton is a Trumpanzi of the first water and quite willing to INVENT a Jesus that would support Trump, regardless of what the bible says. Sadly, churches like the one Howerton leads have become little more than right-wing indoctrination centers, with about as much "love your neighbor as yourself" as could fill a Lilliputian thimble.
And I will say it again: we will be dealing with people like Pastor Josh LONG after Trump is consigned to the past.
The IRS is woefully underfunded — just the way the billionaires and megacorps want it — and is furthermore burdened by having niggling little changes in the tax code constantly being imposed on them by those same vested interests. I know it's popular to say that nobody loves the taxman, but I have a good deal of sympathy for people who are just trying to do the jobs they were hired for — and which it's official government policy to say we NEED done!
If and when we Democrats ever attain enough power to impeach illegal Supreme Court justices who lied in their confirmation and are unfit as Constitutional realists— and until we get past Trump, who’s unfit to be president, then we need to make sure there are safeguards put in place to prevent another demagogue like TFG from ever getting near the White House again.
In my dreams I imagine Joe Biden being sufficiently dishonorable to use the virtually unlimited power the Subprime Court handed to the president in the landmark (and aptly named) "Donald J. Trump vs. United States of America", which granted the president blanket immunity for anything constituting an "official action". That would undoubtedly include exercising his power as commander in chief to order the military to take out Trump and some of those very justices.
Of course, Biden's too scrupulous to do it, but we all know who ISN'T, don't we?
I fantasize about Joe doing this too. A correction though to your post - there is nothing dishonorable in saving freedom and democracy, there is nothing dishonorable in saving this country that is on the verge of becoming ruled by millionaire/billionaire fascists and christain Taliban. Our founding fathers would do anything possible to preserve democracy- they would have already had tRump and his treasonous comrades in prison.
Joe doesn't have to force disappear anybody or call SEAL Team Six....... he can use executive orders to impeach corrupt scoutus, and the Congressional politicians & others involved in the January 6th terrorist attack.
The Democrats keep thinking they can play the game the way it was initially built, in a gentlemanly and professional manner..... while the Republicans show up with gasoline and matches to burn the whole thing down!
I managed to watch half of this man’s deranged rant on YouTube. Is that what passes for preaching these days? Pastoral care sounds like suppression of women to me. Please help save our country from this Christian Nationalist MADNESS. Vote 💙💙💙
I just want to say, whether you support abortion access or not, bans will kill women, even if they aren’t pregnant, even if they’re too old to get pregnant anymore. Especially the draconian way the Republicans are writing and enforcing these rules. Look at the confusion over IVF, or even the emergency care pregnant people are receiving. The laws are written too vaguely and too broadly and the consequences for not following the laws are too punitive. When doctors don’t know what will send them to prison for life, they’re being forced to risk their lives for the pregnant person’s life. So, with the knife hanging over gynecologists and other women’s health professionals, there will be fewer and fewer folks willing to study to provide that care, which means all women’s healthcare (such as it is) will be negatively impacted. Not only that but the laws could be construed to ban anything that might impede women’s reproduction, like hysterectomies, mastectomies and such. I would have probably had to endure at least 3 more years of debilitating pain, excessive bleeding and malnutrition before menopause kicked in which would only hide the fibroid. If I survived that long, I was a lot sicker than I thought I was just after 6 months. Either there wouldn’t be doctors able to perform the hysterectomy or there would be too much red tape to prove that I needed it and wasn’t going to have another baby while I was still fertile. Imagine a woman beginning adulthood with that situation. Or all the doctors who can perform these procedures are all in prison for even just simply being accused of abortion. Even healthy pregnancies will be deadly to women.
The access to abortions is vital to all women, whether they’re capable of bearing children or not. This isn’t about just our daughters, though the acute situation is, it’s about all women having modern, functional, and accessible healthcare in the long run.
My first pregnancy was one I would die of, had I lived in some of the crazy banana states in US. It ended with miscarriage and help from the health care system. My third too ended as the first. I could have died if I lived in the wrong US state. Luckily I live in Norway. I have tree live kids out of at least six pregnancies and at least seven fetuses. And I am not even close to an exception.
I'm a guy, but I'm insulted FOR women over the absolutely ridiculous idea they'd go to the trouble of being pregnant for 8 months only to capriciously change their mind at the last minute. NOBODY does that, ever. That's got to be the dumbest accusation I've heard since "THEY'RE EATING THE PETS!!!"
The only thing I can come up with for guys that would be equally stupid is this hypothetical:
Guy decides he's going to win Mr. Universe title despite being a fat slob. He diets, works out, pumps iron for 8 months and gets in the best shape of his life. The night before his flight to the Mr. Universe contest leaves, he says, "Fuck it!" and goes out and buys a gram of coke, a fifth of whiskey, and a bag of greasy cheeseburgers, blowing off the contest completely.
Think about it. This is what you're accusing women of - putting in on that time and effort, then frivolously blowing off all that effort at the last minute. And you wonder why they find your accusations ridiculous and insulting?
I think the guy-equivalent to what conservatives argue is more like this:
Guy buys a robot. Robot works hard doing what it's told. Then robot starts acting independently, decides on its own to do something perfectly reasonable. Guy gets alarmed, upset, and attempts to pass laws against robot rights. Not because of the reasonable action the robot wanted to do, but because guy doesn't believe a robot he bought and controls should have any right to decide anything.
The medically necessary abortion at 7+ months might be a reasonable course of action. Heck, conservative men have certainly requested abortions for their daughters, wives, and mistresses before then! What they object to about the liberal position is that the man of the house doesn't get to decide abortion/no-abortion.
Lying liar for Jesus lies about the specific issues he wants to use to impose his brand of Christianity on everyone? Must be a day ending in "y".
How to vote like Jesus? Jesus had no concept of voting. The closest he could have been compared to today's politics woud make him a seccesionist who wants a monarchy to rule over the small breakaway patch of ground he advocated for. He just wanted to get the Romans out of his little corner of the planet, and then be left alone. Not only do the White Christian Nationalists ignore the words about treating others with kindness, they ignore the full on rabble rousing stuff, all in service to their lust for power.
I’d like to see Jesus’ voting record. Did he actually vote for Roman elites since they were the ones who could afford to run? Let’s not mention all the corruption as well. Maybe he just didn’t bother which is why we haven’t heard about it. 🙄
I vote my (liberal) conscience and the candidate who most aligns with my conscience gets my vote. I don’t listen to god-botherers, as they obviously have no conscience, which I suspect is locked up in a cage somewhere and ignored.
Their own bible tells them to obey all laws and authorities and pay their taxes or anything else they owe to the government. There IS no tax-exempt status in the bible.
former President Jimmy Carter — who recently turned 100 years old — achieved his goal of hanging on long enough to cast his Georgia ballot for Vice President Kamala Harris.
Good job. Now just make it until November 6th, so they can't claim a dead man voted.
GOOD IDEA! Jesus didn't live in a democracy. Voting for leaders was an unknown concept in most of the world. So if all the megagachurch magats refrain from voting just like Jesus did, we might have a chance of avoiding a fascist theocratic tyranny.
Josiah wanted to start a war with the King/Pharaoh of Egypt (Neco). This despite the fact that Neco said he had no quarrel with Josiah and no desire for war. Neco even said God was with him. According to 2 Chronicles 35:22, Josiah refused to listen to Neco's words, which came from God. Josiah attacked and then died in the needless war he started.
I’d guarantee it! Not only has our dear NOGODZ actually read said book, he understands, and explains the context, and has far better reading comprehension. Of course, he isn’t cherry-picking a single verse to distort to excuse bad behavior, as they do.
We've seen how little Christians know the book they hit everybody else over the head with. And on a daily basis here. Let's face it, it just ain't that hard. :)
They would enact a national abortion ban without a single thought given to the horrific consequences that would ensue. Just so they can act all smug and superior and pretend Jesus loves them more than he does you. Absolutely nothing ever demonstrated the disconnect between religion and morality quite like the evangelical preachers pledging their unconditional love for Donald Trump. The most corrupt, incompetent, and grotesquely immoral President in our history. The irony here is that Trump couldn't care less about the preachers, and is playing them for the fools they are. I wonder how many abortions Trump paid for?
None. Trump has a very long history of not paying his bills. Even on the campaign trail. Last weekend he paid for busses to bring his minions out to the middle of nowhere, but didn't pay the busses to bring them back. He avoided an airport because he owes them thousands of dollars.
I suspect he paid for several as it would have been the easy way out.
In his case it would be the right thing to do the less of his dna floating around the better.
Too bad we can't excise his DNA from the gene pool as a whole.
Yes, I would feel sorry for Don Jr being an abuse victim, but he says such awful harmful things trying to get his dad to notice him.
He told Howard Stern in an interview he wanted Marla to abort Tiffany. She laughed at him and said it was the "happiest day of their lives." I'm sorry, but considering he was cheating on his wife with a pregnant mistress, that's a rather idiotic take.
Donald Trump is about as sorry an excuse for a human being as you're likely to find.
That should be the preamble to any news coverage of him!!
Whatever happened to Tiff? I never hear about her anymore.
Sadly, she and her mom are grifters too, they expected the hairdresser, and estheticians who they hired for Tiffany’s wedding to do their services for free. She became a lawyer (to her credit) got married, she accompanied her father on AF 1 when they left the white House for good, one hopers.
I guess that makes her the smart one.
Right off the bat, the Johnson Amendment is out the window, for all intents and purposes, so that's one dead horse we don't need to beat.
As for "voting like Jesus," which Jesus do we want to consider? The one who said, "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you," or the one who said, "But mine enemies, who would not have me rule over them, bring them hither and slay them before me?" Granted that it's a moot question; Howerton is a Trumpanzi of the first water and quite willing to INVENT a Jesus that would support Trump, regardless of what the bible says. Sadly, churches like the one Howerton leads have become little more than right-wing indoctrination centers, with about as much "love your neighbor as yourself" as could fill a Lilliputian thimble.
And I will say it again: we will be dealing with people like Pastor Josh LONG after Trump is consigned to the past.
I thought it was spelled "Trumpanzee" as in chimpanzee.
So I take liberties. So sue me! 🤣🤣🤣
Shuffle the letters and you’ll get Trumpnazi.
Yours is far more elegant, I concede.
If Jesus wants me to do something, let him — not you — tell me so himself.
Indeed ... just WHY IS IT that Yahweh and Jesus always need a go-between to deliver their VERY IMPORTANT MESSAGES?
NOT a bug. This is a FEATURE of imaginary deities.
And those go-betweens are always gaping assholes?
🤣
"We went through 5 Adams before we figured that one."
IRS is toothless. It will never deny any christian church a tax exemption. Sadly.
It's worse than that. They 𝘸𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥 deny tax exemption for any non-profit that 𝘪𝘴𝘯'𝘵 a christian church. Christian Fucking Privilege in action.
The IRS is woefully underfunded — just the way the billionaires and megacorps want it — and is furthermore burdened by having niggling little changes in the tax code constantly being imposed on them by those same vested interests. I know it's popular to say that nobody loves the taxman, but I have a good deal of sympathy for people who are just trying to do the jobs they were hired for — and which it's official government policy to say we NEED done!
If and when we Democrats ever attain enough power to impeach illegal Supreme Court justices who lied in their confirmation and are unfit as Constitutional realists— and until we get past Trump, who’s unfit to be president, then we need to make sure there are safeguards put in place to prevent another demagogue like TFG from ever getting near the White House again.
In my dreams I imagine Joe Biden being sufficiently dishonorable to use the virtually unlimited power the Subprime Court handed to the president in the landmark (and aptly named) "Donald J. Trump vs. United States of America", which granted the president blanket immunity for anything constituting an "official action". That would undoubtedly include exercising his power as commander in chief to order the military to take out Trump and some of those very justices.
Of course, Biden's too scrupulous to do it, but we all know who ISN'T, don't we?
I fantasize about Joe doing this too. A correction though to your post - there is nothing dishonorable in saving freedom and democracy, there is nothing dishonorable in saving this country that is on the verge of becoming ruled by millionaire/billionaire fascists and christain Taliban. Our founding fathers would do anything possible to preserve democracy- they would have already had tRump and his treasonous comrades in prison.
Joe doesn't have to force disappear anybody or call SEAL Team Six....... he can use executive orders to impeach corrupt scoutus, and the Congressional politicians & others involved in the January 6th terrorist attack.
The Democrats keep thinking they can play the game the way it was initially built, in a gentlemanly and professional manner..... while the Republicans show up with gasoline and matches to burn the whole thing down!
Kamala? Or at least I wish itbis so.
I think he is talking about Trump....
Maybe we need to dream bigger in that case. Nothing ever becomes reality without somebody trying to attain it.
I managed to watch half of this man’s deranged rant on YouTube. Is that what passes for preaching these days? Pastoral care sounds like suppression of women to me. Please help save our country from this Christian Nationalist MADNESS. Vote 💙💙💙
I just want to say, whether you support abortion access or not, bans will kill women, even if they aren’t pregnant, even if they’re too old to get pregnant anymore. Especially the draconian way the Republicans are writing and enforcing these rules. Look at the confusion over IVF, or even the emergency care pregnant people are receiving. The laws are written too vaguely and too broadly and the consequences for not following the laws are too punitive. When doctors don’t know what will send them to prison for life, they’re being forced to risk their lives for the pregnant person’s life. So, with the knife hanging over gynecologists and other women’s health professionals, there will be fewer and fewer folks willing to study to provide that care, which means all women’s healthcare (such as it is) will be negatively impacted. Not only that but the laws could be construed to ban anything that might impede women’s reproduction, like hysterectomies, mastectomies and such. I would have probably had to endure at least 3 more years of debilitating pain, excessive bleeding and malnutrition before menopause kicked in which would only hide the fibroid. If I survived that long, I was a lot sicker than I thought I was just after 6 months. Either there wouldn’t be doctors able to perform the hysterectomy or there would be too much red tape to prove that I needed it and wasn’t going to have another baby while I was still fertile. Imagine a woman beginning adulthood with that situation. Or all the doctors who can perform these procedures are all in prison for even just simply being accused of abortion. Even healthy pregnancies will be deadly to women.
The access to abortions is vital to all women, whether they’re capable of bearing children or not. This isn’t about just our daughters, though the acute situation is, it’s about all women having modern, functional, and accessible healthcare in the long run.
My first pregnancy was one I would die of, had I lived in some of the crazy banana states in US. It ended with miscarriage and help from the health care system. My third too ended as the first. I could have died if I lived in the wrong US state. Luckily I live in Norway. I have tree live kids out of at least six pregnancies and at least seven fetuses. And I am not even close to an exception.
Treants?
God uses flawed leaders? hmmmm?
God used Hitler too then.
ETA, Hitler is the closest leader to Trump than anyone in the bible.
GMTA. I mentioned this myself 13 minutes ago. :)
I'm a guy, but I'm insulted FOR women over the absolutely ridiculous idea they'd go to the trouble of being pregnant for 8 months only to capriciously change their mind at the last minute. NOBODY does that, ever. That's got to be the dumbest accusation I've heard since "THEY'RE EATING THE PETS!!!"
The only thing I can come up with for guys that would be equally stupid is this hypothetical:
Guy decides he's going to win Mr. Universe title despite being a fat slob. He diets, works out, pumps iron for 8 months and gets in the best shape of his life. The night before his flight to the Mr. Universe contest leaves, he says, "Fuck it!" and goes out and buys a gram of coke, a fifth of whiskey, and a bag of greasy cheeseburgers, blowing off the contest completely.
Think about it. This is what you're accusing women of - putting in on that time and effort, then frivolously blowing off all that effort at the last minute. And you wonder why they find your accusations ridiculous and insulting?
I think the guy-equivalent to what conservatives argue is more like this:
Guy buys a robot. Robot works hard doing what it's told. Then robot starts acting independently, decides on its own to do something perfectly reasonable. Guy gets alarmed, upset, and attempts to pass laws against robot rights. Not because of the reasonable action the robot wanted to do, but because guy doesn't believe a robot he bought and controls should have any right to decide anything.
The medically necessary abortion at 7+ months might be a reasonable course of action. Heck, conservative men have certainly requested abortions for their daughters, wives, and mistresses before then! What they object to about the liberal position is that the man of the house doesn't get to decide abortion/no-abortion.
That make sense.
North, Central, and South Americans. "Tax the churches" Frank Zappa -1980
Lying liar for Jesus lies about the specific issues he wants to use to impose his brand of Christianity on everyone? Must be a day ending in "y".
How to vote like Jesus? Jesus had no concept of voting. The closest he could have been compared to today's politics woud make him a seccesionist who wants a monarchy to rule over the small breakaway patch of ground he advocated for. He just wanted to get the Romans out of his little corner of the planet, and then be left alone. Not only do the White Christian Nationalists ignore the words about treating others with kindness, they ignore the full on rabble rousing stuff, all in service to their lust for power.
I’d like to see Jesus’ voting record. Did he actually vote for Roman elites since they were the ones who could afford to run? Let’s not mention all the corruption as well. Maybe he just didn’t bother which is why we haven’t heard about it. 🙄
I vote my (liberal) conscience and the candidate who most aligns with my conscience gets my vote. I don’t listen to god-botherers, as they obviously have no conscience, which I suspect is locked up in a cage somewhere and ignored.
Their conscience isn’t ignored, it’s beaten regularly.
Jesus voted straight ticket for the Judean People's Front.
Splitter!
People's Front of Judea!
Always look at the bright siide of life, du dubti do.
Are you *sure* it was'nt the People's Front of Judea?
Why these evil clowns have tax exempt status is beyond me
Their own bible tells them to obey all laws and authorities and pay their taxes or anything else they owe to the government. There IS no tax-exempt status in the bible.
To keep them from claiming some right to tell gummint how it must run under jesus. We see here just how well that works.
Law makes the assumption church == charity despite all the evidence to the contrary.
Vote like Jesus? Jesus is described as "The King of Kings." There is no voting under divine rule.
Jesus demands you slave youself to him or face eternal torment. Where's the fucking democracy in that?
I mean, that is exactly what they want.
https://www.alternet.org/huge-defeat-trump-georgia/
Good news.
former President Jimmy Carter — who recently turned 100 years old — achieved his goal of hanging on long enough to cast his Georgia ballot for Vice President Kamala Harris.
Good job. Now just make it until November 6th, so they can't claim a dead man voted.
January 20th to see, I hope, the first woman POTUS.
And Trump in an orange jumpsuit.
A coffin, it would be less of a strain on US budget.
Both have their merits. But please, first I want to see him in a jumpsuit and in a prison cell. He can't can't just croak and get out of it.
And YES.
https://www.zentaur.org/memes/Fantasy/May_it_be_so.png
Yes.
HOOBOY! I like the sound of THAT!
Much applause from my corner.
"Vote like Jesus."
GOOD IDEA! Jesus didn't live in a democracy. Voting for leaders was an unknown concept in most of the world. So if all the megagachurch magats refrain from voting just like Jesus did, we might have a chance of avoiding a fascist theocratic tyranny.
Jesus* didn't live. (STFY, (shortened that for you): )
*as portrayed in the bible
"*as portrayed in the bible."
Or at all, come to it.
So....vote like the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Or the Invisible Pink Unicorn. Or Marvin the Martian.
Makes about as much sense as voting like the jeez.
Josiah, huh? Might want to pick another example.
Josiah wanted to start a war with the King/Pharaoh of Egypt (Neco). This despite the fact that Neco said he had no quarrel with Josiah and no desire for war. Neco even said God was with him. According to 2 Chronicles 35:22, Josiah refused to listen to Neco's words, which came from God. Josiah attacked and then died in the needless war he started.
That's the best you can come up with, Howerton?
I would love to see you debate the asshole.
I bet NOGODZ know and understand the babble better than dear passtor.
I’d guarantee it! Not only has our dear NOGODZ actually read said book, he understands, and explains the context, and has far better reading comprehension. Of course, he isn’t cherry-picking a single verse to distort to excuse bad behavior, as they do.
Christians, both celrgy and laity, should be ashamed that we know their book far better than them.
I’m thinking everyone here knows and understands the bible better than most pastors.
Are you willing to bet on it ? 😁
We've seen how little Christians know the book they hit everybody else over the head with. And on a daily basis here. Let's face it, it just ain't that hard. :)
I never read it.
Now, where is my no prize ?
Save me a seat!
Will do!
I’d love to read all the passages he and his religion like to skim over. :)