Another pious paragon of virtue bites the dust. I will never understand why people willingly delegate an important part of their thinking to the clergy. They are as deeply flawed as every other human being, and if anything they’re bigger hypocrites.
Worse, most clergy have about as much expertise in genuine counseling as could be kept in a Lilliputian thimble, and that sure looks like the case here.
I have a cousin who is an Episcopal Priest. She has a PhD from Yale in some useless subject, and she engages in counseling. By any objective standard, she’s a nut case.
If these folks STILL haven’t gotten the message after all the arrests, they never will. They’d rather go through life with eyewear that filters out anything they don’t want to see.
Have you seen the work Rwandan President Paul Kagame has been doing? I wish it could happen here.
"Rwandan President Paul Kagame has overseen the closure of over 6,000 to 10,000 churches and mosques since roughly 2018, citing a need to regulate religious institutions, enforce health and safety standards, and stop the commercialization of faith. The crackdown targets unregistered, unregulated, and structurally unsafe places of worship, requiring leaders to have formal theological training.
...
Key Details of the Shutdowns:
Scale: Reports indicate over 6,000 to 10,000 churches and mosques have been closed, primarily in the Kigali area and nationwide, as part of a continued effort to regulate the sector.
Reasons for Closure: Authorities cited lack of operating licenses, poor physical infrastructure (hygiene, noise, safety), and, in some cases, fraudulent activities where leaders exploited followers.
Theology Degrees: President Kagame has mandated that religious leaders, particularly those heading evangelical churches, possess a theology degree to operate, stating that faith should not be a business.
Government Action: The Rwanda Governance Board, which oversees faith-based organizations, has stated that these actions are not targeting any specific religion but aiming to bring order to the religious sector."
The Rwandans learned a brutal lesson during the war; that the religious leaders on both sides were using religion to fan the fire of war. So perhaps this is a way to prevent the various religious leaders from to promoting sectarian violence! Source: Wikipedia: Religious strife in Rwanda
That is very damned extraordinary! Can you imagine the caterwauling that would happen if Kagame's strategy were employed in the US? Megapreachers would be screaming "PERSECUTION!!!" at the top of their lungs from coast to coast!
Trump would never do it, of course ... but it damned well SHOULD be done!
At the same time, the I Amendment prevents government meddling in religion (other than obvious things like crime).
Mandating things like a theology degree is the government saying who constitutes a valid religious leader, which would be unconstitutional.
Moreover, if such a law was passed here to permit such restrictions on religious organisations and people, that law would be weaponised the next day to shut down disfavoured religious organisations.
I can see such a law being used to shut down NON-religious organisations, because they "preach secularism" (fitting into the claims that "atheism is a religion").
On the other hand, "commercialisation of faith" might be a way to go after huge corporations (since capitalism acts much like a religion, such as the belief "free unregulated markets are the best markets" and cherry-picking Adam Smith's "Wealth of Nations" to uphold that. The Libertarian Party would go off the rails if you tried to hold Ayn Rand to that standard.
Can you imagine if in the USA you banned the worship of money? /s
Anyway, the I Amendment does not define how faith should be expressed. It just says "Congress shall make no law" &c.
Purity culture nonsense does not excuse the horrible acts perpetrated by Peternel's son, but it does help to explain them. Purity culture nonsense blinded Peternel to the criminality lurking within his son, and prevented him from seeking the professional help that his son may have benefited from. This aided his son in doing what he did.
It is the purity culture nonsense that also led Peternel to apologize to hos congregation for having had the audacity to make a 𝗽𝗿𝗶𝘃𝗮𝘁𝗲 recording of consensual sex with his wife, the only type of sex that same purity culture nonsense insists is acceptable.
I don't quite understand how sexy images of yourself and your wife, intended only for your personal use, violates purity culture.
They do allow sex for enjoyment as long as it's within a hetero marriage. But maybe, just maybe, they prohibit recording the act because they might masturbate while looking at it.
Do you understand the phrase: “close your eyes and think of England?”
You’re not supposed to think about sex. As your punishment, I’m going to order you to go stand in the corner for an hour and not think about sex, not even once.
Well, it was anti-biblical, as there was only one wife involved and there was consent. Now of he had raided a near by village, took a war bride as he slaughtered her brothers and father, then shaved her head, and only then recorded fucking her, then everything would be ok.
There is so much to unpack here on my 1st cup of coffee. Hemant simply has no pity on me. But let’s start here. In my best Goofy voice: “Gorsh! Who woulda thunk that a person obsessed about sex would be obsessed about sex? It’s diabolical, I tells ya! Diabolical!”
And the debbil made him do it!
So much to say about this.
First, it’s pretty clear where Junior got his sex obsession. But the real question is where did he get the sex videos? His son, “who was high at the time“, managed to hack into his parents private account. How did he even know about the existence of this private account? How did he know what was in it? Did he know what he would find? Was it really not so private? And why were those so many of them? Not to mention, his mom and dad? I admit, dad is kind of hot in a creepy, decrepit straight boy sort of way, but still, More questions than answers.
Second, the church make sure to refer to Peter-nelly’s “adult” son. Nothing to see here. No children involved. Keep those donations cumming— erm, coming!
“Dude” is obsessed with sexuality and kids among the rest of his obsessions with sexuality and fill in the blank. And somehow, his “adult“ son didn’t manage to escape that. That’s like saying water couldn’t possibly be wet.
And there’s a kicker here to this obsession with sexuality: he has to go through a “restorative“ process. That certainly reads like reeducation to me, but I’m one of those damn leftists. But I remember another prominent pastor who went through a restorative process: Haggard Ted. He went through it if I recall three times, and was declared completely heterosexual. It only took God three times to change him. And of course, sex scandals followed Haggard Ted anyway because Haggard Ted was Haggard Ted. Finally, Ted admitted to being bisexual. Better than being trisexual I guess, because that would mean he would tri anything.
all of that leads back to my first question: a man obsessed with sex, to the point where he asks teenagers about what they’re doing when they’re making the beast with two backs, or in Christian terms, having a resurrection of the flesh… oh, wait! Girls don’t experience the resurrection of the flesh, only boys do. And he can’t ask the boys about it because that would be pervy.
This Is a man who is obsessed with sex. Sex is dirty. Sex is a sin. Sin means he gets special attention from the infinite creator of the entire infinite universe, who also is obsessed with sex, although not with war, feeding starving people, or his inability to clearly state his word for everyone and all time. And the beauty of it all is that he gets to sin and repent and re-sin and repent, and God will always assure him that he’s God‘s special little boy. Because he’s managed to convince himself that he’s god’s special little boy.
I would say, “scribes! Pharisees! Hypocrites!” but that would be too kind. Because this is not about mere hypocrisy, which I have said repeatedly would be refreshingly honest. This is about moral corruption. He was asking those questions of those girls because he was getting off on it. Which means he was looking with lust at a woman not his wife. Which means he doesn’t believe the product that he’s selling at all.
Way too much to unpack. In addition to all the above, do we really believe the sex between him and his wife is exactly “consensual”? I mean really consensual. It’s very possible she’s like Ted Bundy’s wife, who said she never saw any “strange behavior” from him.
"Better than being trisexual I guess, because that would mean he would tri anything."
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
Love it! These days, I am always grateful for any small moments of laughter and lightheartedness that cum -- erm, come my way. You definitely have a way with words!
When they are taught that the most forbidden thing they can do is sex that is not between a husband and a wife (they even forbid solo sex), the forbidden fruit desire brings about obsession.
"certain personal behaviors related to my use and retention of private digital content involving my spouse fell short of the standards expected of a credentialed minister"
It also needs a course in HUMANITY and HUMANISM, not that they want it. Again, when ideology runs headlong into reality and human beings, it ain't the ideology that gets hurt.
Could have been how the son realized there were tapes in the first place, if he overheard one of those "wearing down" sessions.
However, most normal kids, if they found out such existed, would be put off. REALLY put off. Watching one's parents having sex is NOT something they even want to think about, let alone witness.
I wouldn't say uncharitable. I would say quite likely. Probably married young before she knew what she liked and raised to be submissive to her husband, being manipulated into agreeing rather than truly consenting.
This guy is with his wife, the one person he's allowed under Christian ideology to be intimate with, and he's apologizing for it? What? The only thing left to assume at this point is that his church actually disapproves of all intimate encounters, and that babies are all supposed to be the immaculately-conceived progeny of Jesus, I guess. That attitude is it really isn't something taught by Jesus, this is from Paul; and we all remember what a nasty misogynist Paul was, right?
Frightening just how much of this tracks with what I was taught as a child forced to attend church twice every Sunday. Still crazy, of course, but it does track.
Who else might he show the recordings to, how much did he coerce his (submissive?) wife to be recorded and how could he use them to persuade her to do things she'd rather not?
If ‘the word of god is clear to all’ then why do you need a pastor/priest/parasite to “interpret’ “god’s word’? Shouldn’t you be able to do that yourself without help or without going to a church or giving money?
An idea, and I know it's crazy -- let's invent a whole series of fake "Peace Prize" pnanels who could lob a fake medal at the Vile Orange Cretin every time he starts whining about the same and/or talking about another war.
Would it work? Not sure, but it probably wouldn't hurt to try.
Another pious paragon of virtue bites the dust. I will never understand why people willingly delegate an important part of their thinking to the clergy. They are as deeply flawed as every other human being, and if anything they’re bigger hypocrites.
Worse, most clergy have about as much expertise in genuine counseling as could be kept in a Lilliputian thimble, and that sure looks like the case here.
I have a cousin who is an Episcopal Priest. She has a PhD from Yale in some useless subject, and she engages in counseling. By any objective standard, she’s a nut case.
Bloody hell. To think of the level of trust some people place in priests. The mind doth truly boggle.
If these folks STILL haven’t gotten the message after all the arrests, they never will. They’d rather go through life with eyewear that filters out anything they don’t want to see.
They are THEISTS, therefore they are seriously SICK IN THE HEAD …
I wouldn’t even denigrate the rabbit by referring to THEISTS as 'rabbits'.
FULL-STOP !
… 🦘🦘🦘
Have you seen the work Rwandan President Paul Kagame has been doing? I wish it could happen here.
"Rwandan President Paul Kagame has overseen the closure of over 6,000 to 10,000 churches and mosques since roughly 2018, citing a need to regulate religious institutions, enforce health and safety standards, and stop the commercialization of faith. The crackdown targets unregistered, unregulated, and structurally unsafe places of worship, requiring leaders to have formal theological training.
...
Key Details of the Shutdowns:
Scale: Reports indicate over 6,000 to 10,000 churches and mosques have been closed, primarily in the Kigali area and nationwide, as part of a continued effort to regulate the sector.
Reasons for Closure: Authorities cited lack of operating licenses, poor physical infrastructure (hygiene, noise, safety), and, in some cases, fraudulent activities where leaders exploited followers.
Theology Degrees: President Kagame has mandated that religious leaders, particularly those heading evangelical churches, possess a theology degree to operate, stating that faith should not be a business.
Government Action: The Rwanda Governance Board, which oversees faith-based organizations, has stated that these actions are not targeting any specific religion but aiming to bring order to the religious sector."
The Rwandans learned a brutal lesson during the war; that the religious leaders on both sides were using religion to fan the fire of war. So perhaps this is a way to prevent the various religious leaders from to promoting sectarian violence! Source: Wikipedia: Religious strife in Rwanda
That is very damned extraordinary! Can you imagine the caterwauling that would happen if Kagame's strategy were employed in the US? Megapreachers would be screaming "PERSECUTION!!!" at the top of their lungs from coast to coast!
Trump would never do it, of course ... but it damned well SHOULD be done!
At the same time, the I Amendment prevents government meddling in religion (other than obvious things like crime).
Mandating things like a theology degree is the government saying who constitutes a valid religious leader, which would be unconstitutional.
Moreover, if such a law was passed here to permit such restrictions on religious organisations and people, that law would be weaponised the next day to shut down disfavoured religious organisations.
I can see such a law being used to shut down NON-religious organisations, because they "preach secularism" (fitting into the claims that "atheism is a religion").
On the other hand, "commercialisation of faith" might be a way to go after huge corporations (since capitalism acts much like a religion, such as the belief "free unregulated markets are the best markets" and cherry-picking Adam Smith's "Wealth of Nations" to uphold that. The Libertarian Party would go off the rails if you tried to hold Ayn Rand to that standard.
Can you imagine if in the USA you banned the worship of money? /s
Anyway, the I Amendment does not define how faith should be expressed. It just says "Congress shall make no law" &c.
Once got reprimanded privately by a pastor as a kid because I didn't take or sign an oath to be sexually "pure" until marriage.
I pointed to the scripture where Jesus told his followers not to take oaths at all as it was a sin. `
What was the pastor's reaction to that?
A tortured explanation for why that didn't really mean what it said.
Okay, let's move the goalposts yet again!
It’s their main form of exercise.
I think their exercise needs a little EXORCISE!
Good for you!!
I can see him using words no good Christian should ever utter. :)
What a perfectly great response you gave him. Kudos to you!
🔥🔥🔥 BURN! 🔥🔥🔥
𝑃𝑒𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑛𝑒𝑙’𝑠 𝑠𝑜𝑛 𝑑𝑖𝑑 𝑠𝑜𝑚𝑒𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑐𝑟𝑖𝑚𝑖𝑛𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑦 ℎ𝑜𝑟𝑟𝑖𝑏𝑙𝑒… 𝑏𝑢𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑎𝑝𝑜𝑙𝑜𝑔𝑦 ℎ𝑒 𝑔𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑎𝑡 𝑐ℎ𝑢𝑟𝑐ℎ 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑐𝑒𝑟𝑛𝑒𝑑 𝑜𝑛𝑙𝑦 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑟𝑖𝑣𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝑣𝑖𝑑𝑒𝑜𝑠 ℎ𝑒 𝑚𝑎𝑑𝑒 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑤𝑖𝑓𝑒, 𝑣𝑖𝑑𝑒𝑜𝑠 𝑛𝑜 𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑛𝑒𝑒𝑑𝑒𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑘𝑛𝑜𝑤 𝑎𝑏𝑜𝑢𝑡 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑣𝑖𝑑𝑒𝑜𝑠 ℎ𝑒 ℎ𝑎𝑑 𝑛𝑜 𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑠𝑜𝑛 𝑡𝑜 𝑎𝑝𝑜𝑙𝑜𝑔𝑖𝑧𝑒 𝑓𝑜𝑟.
Purity culture nonsense does not excuse the horrible acts perpetrated by Peternel's son, but it does help to explain them. Purity culture nonsense blinded Peternel to the criminality lurking within his son, and prevented him from seeking the professional help that his son may have benefited from. This aided his son in doing what he did.
It is the purity culture nonsense that also led Peternel to apologize to hos congregation for having had the audacity to make a 𝗽𝗿𝗶𝘃𝗮𝘁𝗲 recording of consensual sex with his wife, the only type of sex that same purity culture nonsense insists is acceptable.
I don't quite understand how sexy images of yourself and your wife, intended only for your personal use, violates purity culture.
Sex is for reproduction. Titillation is a sin. Sex isn't entertainment!
Do I got that right?
They do allow sex for enjoyment as long as it's within a hetero marriage. But maybe, just maybe, they prohibit recording the act because they might masturbate while looking at it.
For THEM, maybe. For us? Not so much! 😉
Do you understand the phrase: “close your eyes and think of England?”
You’re not supposed to think about sex. As your punishment, I’m going to order you to go stand in the corner for an hour and not think about sex, not even once.
“Can I sit on the couch instead?” — JD Vance
After I put a plastic protector over it.
Only one??
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
As long as you’re not thinking either of those plump, soft cushions or the tight spaces between.
😂🤣😂🤣😂
Well, it was anti-biblical, as there was only one wife involved and there was consent. Now of he had raided a near by village, took a war bride as he slaughtered her brothers and father, then shaved her head, and only then recorded fucking her, then everything would be ok.
I want to go to your church.
There is so much to unpack here on my 1st cup of coffee. Hemant simply has no pity on me. But let’s start here. In my best Goofy voice: “Gorsh! Who woulda thunk that a person obsessed about sex would be obsessed about sex? It’s diabolical, I tells ya! Diabolical!”
And the debbil made him do it!
So much to say about this.
First, it’s pretty clear where Junior got his sex obsession. But the real question is where did he get the sex videos? His son, “who was high at the time“, managed to hack into his parents private account. How did he even know about the existence of this private account? How did he know what was in it? Did he know what he would find? Was it really not so private? And why were those so many of them? Not to mention, his mom and dad? I admit, dad is kind of hot in a creepy, decrepit straight boy sort of way, but still, More questions than answers.
Second, the church make sure to refer to Peter-nelly’s “adult” son. Nothing to see here. No children involved. Keep those donations cumming— erm, coming!
“Dude” is obsessed with sexuality and kids among the rest of his obsessions with sexuality and fill in the blank. And somehow, his “adult“ son didn’t manage to escape that. That’s like saying water couldn’t possibly be wet.
And there’s a kicker here to this obsession with sexuality: he has to go through a “restorative“ process. That certainly reads like reeducation to me, but I’m one of those damn leftists. But I remember another prominent pastor who went through a restorative process: Haggard Ted. He went through it if I recall three times, and was declared completely heterosexual. It only took God three times to change him. And of course, sex scandals followed Haggard Ted anyway because Haggard Ted was Haggard Ted. Finally, Ted admitted to being bisexual. Better than being trisexual I guess, because that would mean he would tri anything.
all of that leads back to my first question: a man obsessed with sex, to the point where he asks teenagers about what they’re doing when they’re making the beast with two backs, or in Christian terms, having a resurrection of the flesh… oh, wait! Girls don’t experience the resurrection of the flesh, only boys do. And he can’t ask the boys about it because that would be pervy.
This Is a man who is obsessed with sex. Sex is dirty. Sex is a sin. Sin means he gets special attention from the infinite creator of the entire infinite universe, who also is obsessed with sex, although not with war, feeding starving people, or his inability to clearly state his word for everyone and all time. And the beauty of it all is that he gets to sin and repent and re-sin and repent, and God will always assure him that he’s God‘s special little boy. Because he’s managed to convince himself that he’s god’s special little boy.
I would say, “scribes! Pharisees! Hypocrites!” but that would be too kind. Because this is not about mere hypocrisy, which I have said repeatedly would be refreshingly honest. This is about moral corruption. He was asking those questions of those girls because he was getting off on it. Which means he was looking with lust at a woman not his wife. Which means he doesn’t believe the product that he’s selling at all.
Way too much to unpack. In addition to all the above, do we really believe the sex between him and his wife is exactly “consensual”? I mean really consensual. It’s very possible she’s like Ted Bundy’s wife, who said she never saw any “strange behavior” from him.
"Keep those donations cumming— erm, coming!"
"Better than being trisexual I guess, because that would mean he would tri anything."
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
Love it! These days, I am always grateful for any small moments of laughter and lightheartedness that cum -- erm, come my way. You definitely have a way with words!
Thank you for the kind words. I tried to be at least a bit entertaining.
Xtians are for more passionate about S-E-X than they are about Jesus. It seems to occupy their every waking moment.
Jesus and his teachings come in a distant third, if they enter into things at all.
When they are taught that the most forbidden thing they can do is sex that is not between a husband and a wife (they even forbid solo sex), the forbidden fruit desire brings about obsession.
An utterly clear lack of understanding of the nature of human beings.
"certain personal behaviors related to my use and retention of private digital content involving my spouse fell short of the standards expected of a credentialed minister"
Yer darn tootin'. There was no pool boy involved.
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Re porn: "That presumably refers to people who watch it or are addicted to it."
As far as they are concerned, if you watch so much as one porn video, you are addicted to porn.
So much porn in their holy book. They must be addicted to porn.
And not even good porn! You can tell it's an addiction because they've just gotta have that fix, no matter how poor the quality.
Christians desperately need a secular course in sex education. The church is letting them down and doing them a grave disservice.
It also needs a course in HUMANITY and HUMANISM, not that they want it. Again, when ideology runs headlong into reality and human beings, it ain't the ideology that gets hurt.
The very first lesson in that course should be that women, children, and POCs are all actually people.
We see that. If they don't, it's because they've been taught NOT TO.
I mean, that sentiment is valid over the last 3500 years or so.
That’s just bizarre, but then, so is their whole attitude to sex and relationships. SMDH
My first (uncharitable) thought was: did the wife consent to being filmed?
And how much cajoling did it take if she did? Years of wearing her down to finally agree to the tapings.
Could have been how the son realized there were tapes in the first place, if he overheard one of those "wearing down" sessions.
However, most normal kids, if they found out such existed, would be put off. REALLY put off. Watching one's parents having sex is NOT something they even want to think about, let alone witness.
A reasonable concern to raise, considering.
I wouldn't say uncharitable. I would say quite likely. Probably married young before she knew what she liked and raised to be submissive to her husband, being manipulated into agreeing rather than truly consenting.
You know who asks young girls about their sexual habits? Sexual predators. I know as I was once a young girl.
" apparently hacked into the system " - Bible is a terrible password.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6iW-8xPw3k
Bet the password was "Lot."
Even in a Christian paradigm, this is just crazy.
This guy is with his wife, the one person he's allowed under Christian ideology to be intimate with, and he's apologizing for it? What? The only thing left to assume at this point is that his church actually disapproves of all intimate encounters, and that babies are all supposed to be the immaculately-conceived progeny of Jesus, I guess. That attitude is it really isn't something taught by Jesus, this is from Paul; and we all remember what a nasty misogynist Paul was, right?
Frightening just how much of this tracks with what I was taught as a child forced to attend church twice every Sunday. Still crazy, of course, but it does track.
Who else might he show the recordings to, how much did he coerce his (submissive?) wife to be recorded and how could he use them to persuade her to do things she'd rather not?
OT - Too true
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I was honestly surprised when I read that given how the strip is a bit right-wing.
If "Shoe" is a right-wing strip, it's at least a FUNNY right-wing strip!
Where did you get that?
And after that, Secretary of War! 😝
Spot on!
If ‘the word of god is clear to all’ then why do you need a pastor/priest/parasite to “interpret’ “god’s word’? Shouldn’t you be able to do that yourself without help or without going to a church or giving money?
Sh. Do you want to be the victim of a crusade?
OT- Will Congress finally grow a spine? https://apnews.com/article/congress-war-powers-trump-iran-constitution-37ec6685d9ded1d467a719f91e537487
*𝘴𝘩𝘢𝘬𝘦𝘴 𝘔𝘢𝘨𝘪𝘤 8-𝘉𝘢𝘭𝘭*
"...ask again later."
I guess Cheetolini is Bored of Peace.
Still butthurt over not getting that Nobel...
An idea, and I know it's crazy -- let's invent a whole series of fake "Peace Prize" pnanels who could lob a fake medal at the Vile Orange Cretin every time he starts whining about the same and/or talking about another war.
Would it work? Not sure, but it probably wouldn't hurt to try.
Cheap at least. :)
I wonder if FIFA will recede their peace prize?
Will wossname 2025 recipient claim hers back now?
ISWYDT :)
Your magic 8-ball might need a tuneup. Mine said 'hahaha'.
Short answer: NO!
Long answer: SEE ABOVE!