Boston College says it had a religious right to require employees to get a COVID shot. Avenir Agaj says he had a religious right to reject the vaccine.
All they needed to do was wear masks and keep their distance. I don't understand why they couldn't cooperate except that they seem to be jerks. Where did all these selfish, whining, tantrum loving Adults come from?
Meanwhile, back in MAGA Space -- Shrieks of persecution and howls of government overreach and screams about medical privacy/bodily autonomy and rants about having to conform to somebody else's rules*
So now we get to have courts decide which religion is "real" and gets preferential treatment in the eyes of the government, the very thing the Constitution didn't want.
In my eyes everybody had to get the Covid vaccine. That was loving your neighbor as yourself a very loving and kind thing to do even if other religions said no. But I think in the light of how things were it was for the greater good to bypass certain religions laws or mandates. I never had a problem getting vaccinated. Though masks were a pain because they fogged up my glasses, it was for the greater good. And it was fine.
You raise a point that raised my hackles on the regular during covid: it was a astonishing how many so-called Jesus-loving christians did NOT, in fact, love their damned neighbors enough to even wear a mask, let alone get a vaccine to tamp down the spread of a highly communicable - and preventable - illness.
Yah and how fking easy it was to just put that mask on. There will always be jerks how say " you can't tell me what to do!" I mean I get that but a mask? Come on!
I had a discussion on that very subject with the self proclaimed right to life Christian. As far as he was concerned, he had no responsibility to anyone else, certainly not to preserving their lives through his own actions. If they didn't want to get sick, they should just stay home.
Not surprisingly, it's exactly the same arguments that religious gun nuts use. Their rights to own as many guns of whatever type as they wish supersede the rights of anyone else to remain alive. They always insist that they are law abiding gun owners, and "muh rights" must be predicated on that.
And I always respond at every law abiding gun owner is a law abiding gun owner until he or she is not. But then it's too late.
And yet, when it comes to abortion they think they no only have a responsibility to others, they think they have the right to tell them what to do with their own bodies despite it being none of their damned business. That's some selective right-to-life-ism right there.
They were more devoted to Q than Jesus, then a whole bunch of their church friends died, and now where is Q? Now that he's apparently done with his chaos, are they back in with Jesus? The one that didn't care for the poor and the stranger, I mean.
"Many in the US have turned mask- wearing into a political tool, which as an American, I find to be very embarrassing. As one internet meme put it: A mask is not a political statement. It is an I.Q. test."
Oh boy. This will be a tough one for the Reich wing judges. Do they follow their idea of religious freedom and side with the religious anti-vaxxer, or do they follow their idea of religious freedom and side with the religious employer?
As much as I dislike being on the same side as the RCC, they actually did the right thing here. Damn, saying that feels dirty.
Polio. Approximately how old are you, if I may ask?
I was in elementary school in the 1960s. I used to push an older man in his wheelchair once a week or so who had had polio. He remains the only person I’ve ever met who had it. In retrospect, I was giving the wife some relief from her providing 24/7 care but didn’t understand that at the time. If I had, I would given him longer walks.
My mom contracted polio in 1940 at age 20. Her mom and dad helped her rehab by filling an old tub with warm water and helping her work her left leg. At the time, FDR had opened Warm Springs and was advocating for water therapy for polio victims. She was eventually able to walk but her leg was significantly weakened by the disease and over time, her leg finally became sort of a prop that kept her upright just long enough to shift her weight back to her right leg. She fell often and in her later years ended up in a power chair in her nursing home. I ended up teaching the staff about polio and how to handle her. No one knew anything about the disease because everyone had been vaccinated. Therefore I have a real problem with any anti-vaxers.
There was a terrible epidemic of it in Canada, Joni Mitchell, and Neal Young both had it, and had to learn to walk again. That was why Neal was so offended byt he idiot podcaster Joe Rogaine telling everyone not to get vaccinated and to use Ivermectin. When he inevitably got Covid he lied and said he was taking Ivermectin but he neglected to mention he was really taking the monoclonal antibodies and zpack.
That is strange you had so little exposure then? I went to elementary school in the 80's and I had a substitute teacher who had it, and my grandmother's sister also had it. Both had to wear shoes with different sole thicknesses between left and right foot and basically hobble around instead of walk. This was in Wisconsin, USA. I mention this in case there were different regional levels of exposure from where you were.
It is entirely possible that I was unobservant rather than having little exposure. That being said, I spent most of my youth in low-population rural areas in Michigan, Iowa, and Kansas. From ages 11-16, I lived 6 miles from the nearest paved road. I graduated from a high school that had fewer than 200 students in grades 9-12. It was only in ~1980ish that I began to be around lots of people. I have often learned that my early life experiences weren’t especially …. normal. I keep trying to overcome that and I’m still astounded at my own naïveté.
I'm originally from rural Michigan. My mother contracted polio when she was a teenager in the Fifties. She recovered but now is suffering from post-polio syndrome, which is taking her ability to walk.
The last case in the wild was recorded in Alma, sixteen miles from where I lived.
My wife's mother contracted polio and was confined to a wheelchair for the rest of her life. She died many years ago from post-polio syndrome.
If Agaj was going to school, whether Boston College or some tech school and attending in person, I have little doubt but that he would be similarly required to be vaccinated. Same deal with employment. If you're going to be on site, your presence should NOT pose a potential danger to other employees / students / faculty / whatever.
I did a little digging on Bogomils. Here's what I found:
"The Bogomils, a medieval Christian sect, do not exist as a distinct religious group today; they were largely eradicated in the 13th Century in Bulgaria and the Byzantine Empire, with the last remnants disappearing in Bosnia and Herzegovina when the Ottoman Empire took control in the 15th Century; only traces of their dualistic beliefs remain in some Balkan folklore."
I'm sure Mr Ahaj is counting it out in his imagination. I have never heard of the Bogomil religion before and maybe he hadn't either until the mandatory Covid vaccine. He sounds like a smart guy.
Religion's domain is spirituality. Religious privilege should end at the church door. Society has the right and political duty to use science/medicine to protect the public, whether the public likes it or not. Mandatory vaccinations, not choice, must be the lawful rule.
Totally agree, they should be treated like any business in the USA for profit or no profit. No special privileges and exemptions because of beliefs in superstitions, myths and invisible beings with no proof.
I think ALL religious people should reject this vaccine... and all other vaccines that might save their miserable little useless lives. Instead, they should --- as some Repugnuts suggest --- just drink plenty of household bleach each day and pray to Jeezus to keep themselves healthy. Oh, and make sure you drink it from a lead cup... that helps maintain its purity. Cheers!
This is the usual anti-vax woo gussied up by claiming it's a religious belief. It's astonishing that any employer, which normally has the right to set the terms and conditions of employment, are having to defend their completely reasonable vaccine policy in court at all. This guy is fully entitled to his whackadoo beliefs, but he's not entitled to employment if his beliefs put other employees or the public at risk.
Why the court is even entertaining the religious claims is incredible. This is a simple employment dispute. But, man, toss religion into the mix and suddenly we're off to the culture war races. JFC!
Read his legal complaint wherein he says his religion forbids him to pollute his body 'with filth.' But here's the kicker: Apparently, he had no problem with handling and inhaling pesticides at his previous job. https://www.nemassmosquito.org/our-staff
The court put itself in this position when they began their custom of granting just about all requests from Christianity, sometimes, with conflicting rulings. Both entities have the same obligations to community, neither should be allowed to appeal to the court, but the assault against science and medicine by the church has led the way to this conflict.
I think the RCC should countersue for all court and legal fees for having to defend themselves against this ridiculous suit. I think he's looking for a big settlement so he can retire. I suspect a countersuit would cause him second thoughts for trying this crap.
He's pitting his religious bullshit against their religious bullshit. Is the RCC's line of bullshit better because they have more bullshit artists than the gardener?
Does this mean I can sue Trump because it’s my god-given right not to be subjected to the whims of a nut job according to my sincerely held beliefs that he’s not fit for office?
Oh the irony, a Catholic school being sued because of a religious exemption!
More generally, people who claim religious exemptions should have their rights respected, provided they opt out of expecting the type of life those who do not claim exemptions live. The pandemic is one example. The claimant should have offered to suspend his employment until the vaccination rule was lifted but, oh no, these people want to eat their cake and have it. Same with Catholic hospitals. If they won’t treat pregnant women according to need then their right to treat anybody should be suspended until they agree to treat everybody equally.
This shouldn't be argued as a religious rights issue. The issues here are what employers may reasonably demand of their employees and what responsibilities employees may be assigned regarding health. Both of these "rights" are (mostly) regulated by government. Agaj has the right to work for a different employer who has different demands and/or move to a different state where the rules are different.
Health reasons are the only acceptable excuses not to get vaccinated, and those being allergic to the vaccine or otherwise immunocompromised. We’ve allowed crazy to dictate our lives for far too long and look where it’s gotten us. Vaccines aren’t filth, they’re not more dangerous than the disease, they’re not microchipped nor will they cause us to become magnetic. We don’t get autism from vaccines. Or any other ridiculous claim anti-vaxxers are spewing. You can’t avoid the disease by taking horse dewormer or bleach (talk about putting dangerous substances into your body), and your sincerely held beliefs should comport with reality at some point.
We are now living in a world so utterly acid-trippy insane, I keep thinking it can't get any more surreal. And then it does. At times like this I think of a poem i heard in second grade, but I can only remember the first two lines:
"The folks who live in Backwards Town are inside out and upside down.
They wear their hats inside their heads and go to sleep beneath their beds."
Kind of simplistic, but it keeps popping into my head.
Awesome! I hadn't ever read that one before & I used to read a lot of poetry in school. I do have a hard time remembering much about early childhood, so it's technically possible that I did hear/read it at some point. I love it!
Is becoming magnetic an actual anti-vax belief? OMG Please tell me it is real. That is one of the funniest things I've read in a while. Like maybe I'll get superpowers if I get enough of them.
It was a thing. There were people going to city council meetings sticking keys to their faces to prove the vaccine made them magnetic. The keys were non-ferrous and they fell off after a moment when the tension was relieved, just like when you stick a spoon to your nose. But they insisted the vaccine was causing metal to stick to them.
As I have stated on other occasions, there is nothing that cannot be, and has not been, justified in the name of religion. Given the danger this man posed to students and employees of the university, Boston College was well within it's rights to terminate this man. Let him go back to the thirty year life expectancy of the tenth century, and he will soon come to see why people worked so hard to make things better.
I've talked to a LOT of believers who claim to have ironclad evidence that THEIR god exists. The second you challenge them to actually PRODUCE said "evidence," they either start shucking and jiving and hand-waving and excuse-making ... OR they make a beeline for the exit. The blunt fact is that if someone had hard, actual, genuine, testable, verifiable evidence of any form of deity, the world would change in that moment.
And yet it hasn't ... because no such evidence exists, to the best of my knowledge.
Sadly the dogma and indoctrination starts for many at a very young age. Until many come to realize that belief without evidence and their claims are unfounded there will be little change in the controlling fear their religions have.
With special privileges and incentives awarded to believers in superstitions and invisible beings in the USA. It will always be an uphill battle to convince other wise. Hopefully the scientific method and common sense will take hold.
Unfourtantly, with the MAGA cult in power, not going to happen anytime soon.
Lemme run Typhoid Avenir's argument through the 'ol Bullshit-to-English translator:
"𝘐 𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘦 𝘢 𝘳𝘦𝘭𝘪𝘨𝘪𝘰𝘶𝘴 𝘳𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵 𝘵𝘰 𝘱𝘶𝘵 𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘱𝘦𝘰𝘱𝘭𝘦 𝘪𝘯 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘵𝘢𝘭 𝘱𝘦𝘳𝘪𝘭 𝘣𝘦𝘤𝘢𝘶𝘴𝘦 𝘐 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘬 𝘯𝘦𝘦𝘥𝘭𝘦𝘴 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘪𝘤𝘬𝘺."
For the sixteen quadrillionth time, COVIDiots: your "right" to be a disease vector ends when you exhale in the direction of 𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘱𝘦𝘰𝘱𝘭𝘦.
I'm fine with folks refusing vaccines....as long as they stay out of the Commons and on their own land.
All they needed to do was wear masks and keep their distance. I don't understand why they couldn't cooperate except that they seem to be jerks. Where did all these selfish, whining, tantrum loving Adults come from?
Jesusland.
Ah, right!
Adults in age only.
Yep, they cannot participate in society.
Meanwhile, back in MAGA Space -- Shrieks of persecution and howls of government overreach and screams about medical privacy/bodily autonomy and rants about having to conform to somebody else's rules*
*All while totally oblivious to the irony.
So now we get to have courts decide which religion is "real" and gets preferential treatment in the eyes of the government, the very thing the Constitution didn't want.
Neato.
In my eyes everybody had to get the Covid vaccine. That was loving your neighbor as yourself a very loving and kind thing to do even if other religions said no. But I think in the light of how things were it was for the greater good to bypass certain religions laws or mandates. I never had a problem getting vaccinated. Though masks were a pain because they fogged up my glasses, it was for the greater good. And it was fine.
You raise a point that raised my hackles on the regular during covid: it was a astonishing how many so-called Jesus-loving christians did NOT, in fact, love their damned neighbors enough to even wear a mask, let alone get a vaccine to tamp down the spread of a highly communicable - and preventable - illness.
Yah and how fking easy it was to just put that mask on. There will always be jerks how say " you can't tell me what to do!" I mean I get that but a mask? Come on!
Yet some of the Proud Boys now wear masks to disguise their identity.
It's not to protect their identity-- have you seen magas without masks on really not the prettiest of people.
I had a discussion on that very subject with the self proclaimed right to life Christian. As far as he was concerned, he had no responsibility to anyone else, certainly not to preserving their lives through his own actions. If they didn't want to get sick, they should just stay home.
Not surprisingly, it's exactly the same arguments that religious gun nuts use. Their rights to own as many guns of whatever type as they wish supersede the rights of anyone else to remain alive. They always insist that they are law abiding gun owners, and "muh rights" must be predicated on that.
And I always respond at every law abiding gun owner is a law abiding gun owner until he or she is not. But then it's too late.
And yet, when it comes to abortion they think they no only have a responsibility to others, they think they have the right to tell them what to do with their own bodies despite it being none of their damned business. That's some selective right-to-life-ism right there.
I know. It's one of the things that tells you it's really About power.
Or gender-affirming care.
That's because they aren't, they are a death cult, they love executions war and violence.
They were more devoted to Q than Jesus, then a whole bunch of their church friends died, and now where is Q? Now that he's apparently done with his chaos, are they back in with Jesus? The one that didn't care for the poor and the stranger, I mean.
Q and Jesus are one in the same.
"Many in the US have turned mask- wearing into a political tool, which as an American, I find to be very embarrassing. As one internet meme put it: A mask is not a political statement. It is an I.Q. test."
From Bazaro
Dan Piraro
https://www.zentaur.org/memes/bulletproof_backpack.jpg
Brilliant!
Exactly 💯
"as an American" Living in North, Central, and South America. The MAGAs are here?
If you need to wear a mask again, pinch the nose tighter. No air should escape a well-fitted mask.
You have to pinch the metal piece over the bridge of your nose tightly.
𝑊ℎ𝑖𝑐ℎ 𝑚𝑒𝑎𝑛𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑜𝑛𝑔𝑜𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑐𝑎𝑠𝑒 𝑝𝑖𝑡𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑔𝑖𝑜𝑢𝑠 𝑏𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑒𝑓𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑎 𝐶𝑎𝑡ℎ𝑜𝑙𝑖𝑐 𝑠𝑐ℎ𝑜𝑜𝑙 𝑎𝑔𝑎𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑔𝑖𝑜𝑢𝑠 𝑏𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑒𝑓𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑎𝑛 𝑒𝑚𝑝𝑙𝑜𝑦𝑒𝑒.
Oh boy. This will be a tough one for the Reich wing judges. Do they follow their idea of religious freedom and side with the religious anti-vaxxer, or do they follow their idea of religious freedom and side with the religious employer?
As much as I dislike being on the same side as the RCC, they actually did the right thing here. Damn, saying that feels dirty.
> "...they actually did the right thing here."
Right thing, wrong justification.
I.e., " The Pope told us this is what God wants."
I'm not taking sides. Of course the church will win.
When I entered first grade elementary school we were required to have an up to date vaccination record.
We had one schoolmate who had already contracted polio. One was more than enough.
It is a shame that religion is allowed to play any role in medicine.
Polio. Approximately how old are you, if I may ask?
I was in elementary school in the 1960s. I used to push an older man in his wheelchair once a week or so who had had polio. He remains the only person I’ve ever met who had it. In retrospect, I was giving the wife some relief from her providing 24/7 care but didn’t understand that at the time. If I had, I would given him longer walks.
My mom contracted polio in 1940 at age 20. Her mom and dad helped her rehab by filling an old tub with warm water and helping her work her left leg. At the time, FDR had opened Warm Springs and was advocating for water therapy for polio victims. She was eventually able to walk but her leg was significantly weakened by the disease and over time, her leg finally became sort of a prop that kept her upright just long enough to shift her weight back to her right leg. She fell often and in her later years ended up in a power chair in her nursing home. I ended up teaching the staff about polio and how to handle her. No one knew anything about the disease because everyone had been vaccinated. Therefore I have a real problem with any anti-vaxers.
From my childhood I remember that two of my grandmother's siblings had caught polio in the 1920-ies.
There was a terrible epidemic of it in Canada, Joni Mitchell, and Neal Young both had it, and had to learn to walk again. That was why Neal was so offended byt he idiot podcaster Joe Rogaine telling everyone not to get vaccinated and to use Ivermectin. When he inevitably got Covid he lied and said he was taking Ivermectin but he neglected to mention he was really taking the monoclonal antibodies and zpack.
https://www.npr.org/2021/09/01/1033485152/joe-rogan-covid-ivermectin
That is strange you had so little exposure then? I went to elementary school in the 80's and I had a substitute teacher who had it, and my grandmother's sister also had it. Both had to wear shoes with different sole thicknesses between left and right foot and basically hobble around instead of walk. This was in Wisconsin, USA. I mention this in case there were different regional levels of exposure from where you were.
It is entirely possible that I was unobservant rather than having little exposure. That being said, I spent most of my youth in low-population rural areas in Michigan, Iowa, and Kansas. From ages 11-16, I lived 6 miles from the nearest paved road. I graduated from a high school that had fewer than 200 students in grades 9-12. It was only in ~1980ish that I began to be around lots of people. I have often learned that my early life experiences weren’t especially …. normal. I keep trying to overcome that and I’m still astounded at my own naïveté.
I'm originally from rural Michigan. My mother contracted polio when she was a teenager in the Fifties. She recovered but now is suffering from post-polio syndrome, which is taking her ability to walk.
The last case in the wild was recorded in Alma, sixteen miles from where I lived.
My wife's mother contracted polio and was confined to a wheelchair for the rest of her life. She died many years ago from post-polio syndrome.
If Agaj was going to school, whether Boston College or some tech school and attending in person, I have little doubt but that he would be similarly required to be vaccinated. Same deal with employment. If you're going to be on site, your presence should NOT pose a potential danger to other employees / students / faculty / whatever.
I'll say it again: the horse is on HIM.
Even a blind pig finds an acorn now and then.
I feel the same.
I did a little digging on Bogomils. Here's what I found:
"The Bogomils, a medieval Christian sect, do not exist as a distinct religious group today; they were largely eradicated in the 13th Century in Bulgaria and the Byzantine Empire, with the last remnants disappearing in Bosnia and Herzegovina when the Ottoman Empire took control in the 15th Century; only traces of their dualistic beliefs remain in some Balkan folklore."
Care to comment, Mr. Agaj?
I’m sure he hunted around the intertubes until he found something archaic enough to put in his lawsuit
👆🎯Did his own research.
Mr Agaj at the moment is too busy counting his pay out from Boston College to comment.
He's not won his case yet.
I'm sure Mr Ahaj is counting it out in his imagination. I have never heard of the Bogomil religion before and maybe he hadn't either until the mandatory Covid vaccine. He sounds like a smart guy.
That's what I thought. They were heretics and got eliminated like the Cathars.
When the Imperial Inquisitor of the Trump Empire comes to inquire as to my religion, I'm claiming I'm a Cathar.
Careful. They might think being a Cathy is like being a Karen.
https://www.gocomics.com/cathy/2024/12/09
If they think I'm a Karen then I will fit right in.
Doesn’t mean it isn’t the one true Christianity!!!
Over 45,000 sects to choose from. Your guess is as good as theirs.
Religion's domain is spirituality. Religious privilege should end at the church door. Society has the right and political duty to use science/medicine to protect the public, whether the public likes it or not. Mandatory vaccinations, not choice, must be the lawful rule.
Tax the churches! Frank Zappa -1980
Yes. This. Our political system seems to be "Pay to play." If the churches want to push politics, they must pay taxes.
Totally agree, they should be treated like any business in the USA for profit or no profit. No special privileges and exemptions because of beliefs in superstitions, myths and invisible beings with no proof.
Thanks
I think ALL religious people should reject this vaccine... and all other vaccines that might save their miserable little useless lives. Instead, they should --- as some Repugnuts suggest --- just drink plenty of household bleach each day and pray to Jeezus to keep themselves healthy. Oh, and make sure you drink it from a lead cup... that helps maintain its purity. Cheers!
When the trump told us to drink bleach? That was it for me. What a useless senseless bustard he is.
I've had enough of this "my religion says I should be allowed to hurt people and put them at risk" reasoning.
This is the usual anti-vax woo gussied up by claiming it's a religious belief. It's astonishing that any employer, which normally has the right to set the terms and conditions of employment, are having to defend their completely reasonable vaccine policy in court at all. This guy is fully entitled to his whackadoo beliefs, but he's not entitled to employment if his beliefs put other employees or the public at risk.
Why the court is even entertaining the religious claims is incredible. This is a simple employment dispute. But, man, toss religion into the mix and suddenly we're off to the culture war races. JFC!
Read his legal complaint wherein he says his religion forbids him to pollute his body 'with filth.' But here's the kicker: Apparently, he had no problem with handling and inhaling pesticides at his previous job. https://www.nemassmosquito.org/our-staff
The court put itself in this position when they began their custom of granting just about all requests from Christianity, sometimes, with conflicting rulings. Both entities have the same obligations to community, neither should be allowed to appeal to the court, but the assault against science and medicine by the church has led the way to this conflict.
Hear! Hear!
The church has been assaulting science since before Galileo.
I think the RCC should countersue for all court and legal fees for having to defend themselves against this ridiculous suit. I think he's looking for a big settlement so he can retire. I suspect a countersuit would cause him second thoughts for trying this crap.
He's pitting his religious bullshit against their religious bullshit. Is the RCC's line of bullshit better because they have more bullshit artists than the gardener?
They have a crew dedicated to bullshit, so they'll win by experience.
Precisely! He's suing because BC and the RCC have deep pockets.
Good job Jane with the research!
Excellent point about the pesticides pollution vs the vaccine pollution and his oh so pure body. 😄
Precious bodily fluids.
I WILL ALSO PROVE:
BOSTON COLLEGE STOLE HALF OF MY SOCKS.
BOSTON COLLEGE HID THE CAPSLOCK KEY ON MY KEYBORAD.
BOSTON COLLEGE MIRCOWAVED FISH IN THE BREAK ROOM.
BOSTON COLLEGE TOOK MY HIGHSCHOOL GIRLFRIEND.
BOSTON COLLEGE RIPPED THE TAG OFF MY MATTRESS.
BOSTON COLLEGE FORGOT MY BIRTHDAY.
ROFL! :-))
Does this mean I can sue Trump because it’s my god-given right not to be subjected to the whims of a nut job according to my sincerely held beliefs that he’s not fit for office?
Claim a god. Any god. That is key. Or my beloved Oingo Boingo god of all gods. Ruler of all rulers. Highest of the most high.
Love me some Danny Elfman
Oh the irony, a Catholic school being sued because of a religious exemption!
More generally, people who claim religious exemptions should have their rights respected, provided they opt out of expecting the type of life those who do not claim exemptions live. The pandemic is one example. The claimant should have offered to suspend his employment until the vaccination rule was lifted but, oh no, these people want to eat their cake and have it. Same with Catholic hospitals. If they won’t treat pregnant women according to need then their right to treat anybody should be suspended until they agree to treat everybody equally.
This shouldn't be argued as a religious rights issue. The issues here are what employers may reasonably demand of their employees and what responsibilities employees may be assigned regarding health. Both of these "rights" are (mostly) regulated by government. Agaj has the right to work for a different employer who has different demands and/or move to a different state where the rules are different.
Health reasons are the only acceptable excuses not to get vaccinated, and those being allergic to the vaccine or otherwise immunocompromised. We’ve allowed crazy to dictate our lives for far too long and look where it’s gotten us. Vaccines aren’t filth, they’re not more dangerous than the disease, they’re not microchipped nor will they cause us to become magnetic. We don’t get autism from vaccines. Or any other ridiculous claim anti-vaxxers are spewing. You can’t avoid the disease by taking horse dewormer or bleach (talk about putting dangerous substances into your body), and your sincerely held beliefs should comport with reality at some point.
We are now living in a world so utterly acid-trippy insane, I keep thinking it can't get any more surreal. And then it does. At times like this I think of a poem i heard in second grade, but I can only remember the first two lines:
"The folks who live in Backwards Town are inside out and upside down.
They wear their hats inside their heads and go to sleep beneath their beds."
Kind of simplistic, but it keeps popping into my head.
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/46988/the-folk-who-live-in-backward-town
That’s it! You found it! Thanks!
Awesome! I hadn't ever read that one before & I used to read a lot of poetry in school. I do have a hard time remembering much about early childhood, so it's technically possible that I did hear/read it at some point. I love it!
I quite like it!
Is becoming magnetic an actual anti-vax belief? OMG Please tell me it is real. That is one of the funniest things I've read in a while. Like maybe I'll get superpowers if I get enough of them.
Yeah, I think they watched X-Men while tripping, one time too many.
It was a thing. There were people going to city council meetings sticking keys to their faces to prove the vaccine made them magnetic. The keys were non-ferrous and they fell off after a moment when the tension was relieved, just like when you stick a spoon to your nose. But they insisted the vaccine was causing metal to stick to them.
ROFL What in the world?! So glad I didn't have coffee in my mouth when I read that. It's really hard to type while laughing.
As I have stated on other occasions, there is nothing that cannot be, and has not been, justified in the name of religion. Given the danger this man posed to students and employees of the university, Boston College was well within it's rights to terminate this man. Let him go back to the thirty year life expectancy of the tenth century, and he will soon come to see why people worked so hard to make things better.
Like this.
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In the court of opinion, apparently God is NOT always right.
God is never right. Ask three clerics the will if God and you get five answers, none in agreement.
The REAL question is: is god EVER right?
Is there any evidence or proof of a God?
Evidence? Of ANY god??? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Please, is there evidence of a God? Many would like to know.
Hindus have some looking Gods, maybe pick one of them.
MAGA?
I've talked to a LOT of believers who claim to have ironclad evidence that THEIR god exists. The second you challenge them to actually PRODUCE said "evidence," they either start shucking and jiving and hand-waving and excuse-making ... OR they make a beeline for the exit. The blunt fact is that if someone had hard, actual, genuine, testable, verifiable evidence of any form of deity, the world would change in that moment.
And yet it hasn't ... because no such evidence exists, to the best of my knowledge.
Sadly the dogma and indoctrination starts for many at a very young age. Until many come to realize that belief without evidence and their claims are unfounded there will be little change in the controlling fear their religions have.
With special privileges and incentives awarded to believers in superstitions and invisible beings in the USA. It will always be an uphill battle to convince other wise. Hopefully the scientific method and common sense will take hold.
Unfourtantly, with the MAGA cult in power, not going to happen anytime soon.
Thanks