This is one of the differences between an actual conservative and a MAGA conservative. An actual conservative does not want the government telling them how to worship Jesus. A MAGA conservative not only wants to be in everyone else's business but also worships Trump. It's sad how few actual conservatives there seem to be now though. So few voted for the more conservative candidate, Kamala Harris in the last election. It's almost as if there were other factors involved in their decision to vote for the fascist. Perhaps one day real conservatives will let go of their fear of brown people, their misogyny, and their need to "own the libs".
Regular Baptists vs. Southern Baptists. Regular Baptists have always been part of the separation-of-church-and-state movement. Southern Baptists are a cult that sells franchises to sexual predators.
It was a slow process, as these things usually are. They got quieter and quieter about the separation bit, then slowly decided they deserved to be in charge, since they were the ones blessed from on high. From what I remember being a kid in Alabama back in the 80s, the process had already started then.
Maybe it’s escaped your notice, but there are NO more “actual conservatives.” It’s all MAGA = conservatives = Republicans. ALL of them need to be marginalized and any power taken away from them.
Their jesus demands they hate LGBTQ, women, liberals, empathy, caring, and anyone not white, They tolerate only Straight White Anglo Male Protestant. 1 sentence, 11 typos. +4 typos in"11.".
I never got the "own the libs" shit. It's all just, "I pissed you off, so I own you." Those shitheads get pissed all the time, so by their reasoning the libs own them.
I'm going to start countering with, "Oh, so you're pro-slavery. That explains a lot."
And make sure there's plenty of anchovies in the dressing, damnit. They always go heavy with the fresh-grated Parm, trying to cover up for their skimping on the effin' anchovies!
(We didn't do much bible study in school. Or any. The nuns who were running the school were more concerned with teaching us maths and chemistry, history, geography ..... basically everything we needed to pass the bacc)
I am reading your comment again and I am not sure what to make of it. If you wrote it because I made a reference that my school was run by nuns, then you might have a point - but only in general.
As regards my school in particular, there your comments don't apply. The nuns running the school were from an order, which had been set up to provide a true first grade education to girls and women, modelled on how Jesuits were teaching boys. There the intention was to raise boys and give them the tools to be leaders in the world, managing important organisations or countries. And the nuns wanted to offer the same to women and girls.
It's been more years than I am willing to admit to since I left school. And I've often looked back on those years and what I learned at school: I did learn lots of proper stuff (yes, I passed my bacc). And I also got steeped in liberal values (liberal in the European sense) such as respect for other people, tolerance for their idiosyncracies and care for their needs.
I grew up a passionate European, because my continent paid a very high price for the slaughter and destruction of some awful wars. I'd rather our politicians go to a three-shirt summit to find a way to solve our differences than that our young people get sent to a field in Flanders.
Growing up as a X-tian w/all the gobbledygook, no one ever really reads the book straight through, just different passages all haphazard. I don't think I ever really understood most of it till I was no longer a X-tian and my BFF had read it & told me all sorts of things that I didn't know at all. I was like no, they didn't. Oh yeah, good times.
Also the Bible Gateway website has all versions of the bible online to read for free b/c pubic domain. Don't know if they're downloadable though like the Gutenberg site.
Once again, Ryan Walters wants to waste Oklahoma citizens money, waste their teachers' time, and try OUR patience, all because he has a jones on for Donald Trump bibles. The hell of it is that all the texts he wants students to have access to are more than available on the internet.
But of course, that wouldn't cootchie-coo Donnie now, would it? 😝
Technically, that commandment is about lying under oath and only applies if it goes against another Jewish person. It’s not telling people to be honest in all interactions in life.
I think he is trying to pull this off so he can get a David Barton like grift going. It is attention-seeking behavior and a solution in search of a problem. The legislature, if they don't want to be defending the inevitable lawsuits, should find a way to make him personally liable for the defense.
That would only be a 'slightly less terrible' solution. Spending $160/book of taxpayer money on a book that is free is a horrible budgetary decision even with no lawsuits.
Ursines defecating in a sylvan environment? (I enjoy getting things like that past the WaPo censors back in the day when they still reported actual news.)
It's good to remember that Walter's massively screwed up state and its under-achieving schools are primarily the work product of Bible-believing Christians. I'm yet to understand what problem he thinks he's going to be solving by forcing his particular brand of Christianity into the public schools. As for the historical accuracy of the KJV of the Bible, how could he possibly know that? There is no independent corroboration for any part of the Jesus story, and none what so ever for the events and people of the Old Testament.
According to actual biblical historians who study translations for accuracy, it is actually one of the least accurate translations priority was on flowery prose rather than accuracy.
You could actually use it to teach maths ..... if Ryan Walters wants to buy books for each school, how does he get to a budget requirement of 3m smackeroonis, when the text is out of copyright and bulk discounts would lower the cost of printing and binding? Show your workings .....
Like how to derive the value of π from 1 Kings 7:23:
“And he [Hiram of Tyre, contractor for King Solomon] made a molten sea [washbasin], ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.”
I was thinking along same lines .... using them to teach gravity or parabolic curves .... They might also be handy for chemistry class: Describe what will happen if we apply this acid to a page .....
Every time there's a piece on Walters, I refer everyone to rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ryan_Walters and his role in the death of 16-year-old non-binary student Nex Benedict.
Something tells me that Greenwood's wife finally put her foot down and told him to unload that stockpile from the garage or she's calling in the crew from TV's Hoarders.
Most of the religious types in OK are very picky - and defensive - about which version of christianity is force fed to their kids. [Just listen to any Seth Andrews podcast about growing up as a christian kid in OK.] They don't want the gummint teaching the young-uns any of that hippy Jesus crap. It's also a sure bet those kids were given a bible before they got a bouncy chair. But regardless of all that, if Walters tries to push bibles into classrooms, he's still violating the constitution, no matter who's footing the bill for the books. And he and OK will still face the same tidal wave of [very expensive] lawsuits.
Mere words cannot begin to express just how much I loath that 'song'....and that was long before the 'singer' and Dotard the Disgraced Orange Shitegibbon became pals.
Okay, I take back everything I said about the role the Bible had in shaping our history. Walters’ tenacity, lies, and underhanded actions to force his religious tome onto schoolchildren in completely unnecessary ways, is totally historical. The contents of said book are irrelevant. The lessons he says the students should learn aren’t what is historical, but the way he’s pushing his religion, using a businessman dressed up as an artist who will profit from selling the books to the schools, it totally and unequivocally American. The fact that we can get these references for free in so many other ways is just icing on the cake.
"...honoring their role in shaping American history, law and culture."
The bible? It had ZERO to do with the founding of the United States. The Constitution nowhere recognizes Christianity. The Treaty With Tripoli explicitly states that our form of government was NOT based in Christianity in any way. 5 of the 7 key founders were Deists and knew the devastating effects of Christian rule both in Europe and here a hundered years before the time of the Constitution. They wanted no part of mixing church with state.
-- John Adams, "A Defense of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America" (1787-88), from Adrienne Koch, ed, The American Enlightenment: The Shaping of the American Experiment and a Free Society (1965), p. 258]
I was trying to repeat my cost calculation for copies of the Penguin Atlas of World History. I have only found costs for used copies - which would be suitable for private persons, but not for schools. Could anyone stateside please have a look? Thank you.
PS It's an atlas. It's full of graphs, charts and maps. Absolutely excellent if you quickly want to check something.
I've had copies since my school days. Every now and again I have to buy a new copy, because I've given mine away. But I don't mind, I can get a used copy from 'that' auction website for a couple of pounds.
Concert tickets don't generate the revenue for the artist that they used to. Streaming services don't pay anywhere near the roylaties that physical media pay. Greenwood's grift here is the equivalent of band merch from Teespring.
This is one of the differences between an actual conservative and a MAGA conservative. An actual conservative does not want the government telling them how to worship Jesus. A MAGA conservative not only wants to be in everyone else's business but also worships Trump. It's sad how few actual conservatives there seem to be now though. So few voted for the more conservative candidate, Kamala Harris in the last election. It's almost as if there were other factors involved in their decision to vote for the fascist. Perhaps one day real conservatives will let go of their fear of brown people, their misogyny, and their need to "own the libs".
Regular Baptists vs. Southern Baptists. Regular Baptists have always been part of the separation-of-church-and-state movement. Southern Baptists are a cult that sells franchises to sexual predators.
When I was growing up in Texas in a Southern Baptist church separation of church and state was taught as a core principle. When did this change?
When the SB church decided to abandon the gospel of Jesus and instead embrace the gospel of MAGA.
When it became apparent to the higher-ups that they couldn't sell their faith on it's merits any more.
When they realized exactly how feeble their god is.
It was a slow process, as these things usually are. They got quieter and quieter about the separation bit, then slowly decided they deserved to be in charge, since they were the ones blessed from on high. From what I remember being a kid in Alabama back in the 80s, the process had already started then.
And of course we all know why they're SOUTHERN Baptists, don't we?
But they lack vatican's trillion dollar pedo defense fund. 6 typos
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Maybe it’s escaped your notice, but there are NO more “actual conservatives.” It’s all MAGA = conservatives = Republicans. ALL of them need to be marginalized and any power taken away from them.
Their jesus demands they hate LGBTQ, women, liberals, empathy, caring, and anyone not white, They tolerate only Straight White Anglo Male Protestant. 1 sentence, 11 typos. +4 typos in"11.".
I never got the "own the libs" shit. It's all just, "I pissed you off, so I own you." Those shitheads get pissed all the time, so by their reasoning the libs own them.
I'm going to start countering with, "Oh, so you're pro-slavery. That explains a lot."
Greenwood and Walters must not read the bibles they tout so much. The New Testament tells believers to obey all earthly laws and authorities and WHY.
Reading comprehension issues?
To be fair, they 𝗮𝗿𝗲 desperate to take the #50 in education slot....
Lol….
Too true.
Sycophant issues, more likely.
Gríma Wormtongue Is strong in Walters and Greenwood.
Yep, give Cesar what is Cesar's.
(For anyone expecting the actual location, sorry, no can do, apologies. We didn't study the bible that closely.)
And make sure there's plenty of anchovies in the dressing, damnit. They always go heavy with the fresh-grated Parm, trying to cover up for their skimping on the effin' anchovies!
Anchovies with Caesar dressing! YUM!!!
Gotta be fresh grated Pecorino Romano and anchovies, parm's too mild, myself, I just use the whole can...
Render unto Caesar? That'd be Matthew 22:21, Mark 12:17 and Luke 20:25.
The scripture I was referring to was Romans 13:1-7. :)
Thank you.
(We didn't do much bible study in school. Or any. The nuns who were running the school were more concerned with teaching us maths and chemistry, history, geography ..... basically everything we needed to pass the bacc)
And hatred of other faiths, dixcrimination against others, black inferiority, you get the drift.
I am reading your comment again and I am not sure what to make of it. If you wrote it because I made a reference that my school was run by nuns, then you might have a point - but only in general.
As regards my school in particular, there your comments don't apply. The nuns running the school were from an order, which had been set up to provide a true first grade education to girls and women, modelled on how Jesuits were teaching boys. There the intention was to raise boys and give them the tools to be leaders in the world, managing important organisations or countries. And the nuns wanted to offer the same to women and girls.
It's been more years than I am willing to admit to since I left school. And I've often looked back on those years and what I learned at school: I did learn lots of proper stuff (yes, I passed my bacc). And I also got steeped in liberal values (liberal in the European sense) such as respect for other people, tolerance for their idiosyncracies and care for their needs.
I grew up a passionate European, because my continent paid a very high price for the slaughter and destruction of some awful wars. I'd rather our politicians go to a three-shirt summit to find a way to solve our differences than that our young people get sent to a field in Flanders.
https://www.bonappetit.com/recipe/easy-homemade-caesar-dressing
Homemade? I prefer classic Caesar
youtu.be/BFe15-rBk-w
Their bable tells them they wilol end up in a lake of fire if they allow anyasin. They caslol this a "just" god.
Growing up as a X-tian w/all the gobbledygook, no one ever really reads the book straight through, just different passages all haphazard. I don't think I ever really understood most of it till I was no longer a X-tian and my BFF had read it & told me all sorts of things that I didn't know at all. I was like no, they didn't. Oh yeah, good times.
𝑖𝑡 𝑢𝑟𝑔𝑒𝑠 𝑝𝑒𝑜𝑝𝑙𝑒 𝑡𝑜 𝑣𝑖𝑠𝑖𝑡 𝐵𝑖𝑏𝑙𝑒𝑠𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑂𝑘𝑙𝑎ℎ𝑜𝑚𝑎.𝑐𝑜𝑚—𝑤ℎ𝑖𝑐ℎ 𝑟𝑒𝑑𝑖𝑟𝑒𝑐𝑡𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝐺𝑟𝑒𝑒𝑛𝑤𝑜𝑜𝑑’𝑠 𝑤𝑒𝑏𝑠𝑖𝑡𝑒—𝑠𝑜 𝑎𝑛𝑦𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑐𝑎𝑛 𝑚𝑎𝑘𝑒 𝑎 𝑝𝑢𝑟𝑐ℎ𝑎𝑠𝑒
Y'know, the site could just redirect people to Project Gutenberg's free downloadable KJV. But...
(a) where would be the grift in that?
(b) you can't force nonChristian teachers and kids to have bibles unless you require them to take a physical version as part of their job or class.
I did a thing.
bibleforoklahoma.com
EXCELLENT! 👍👍👍
That's wonderful! Well Done!
Cheers!
🤣
You sent bibles?
Bibles for Oklahoma redirects to Greenwood's grift. Bible for Oklahoma redirects to Project Gutenberg's free KJV ebook.
How's traffic been?
Not sure yet.
Woo hoo! 🙌🏼
Awesome! Well done!
Love Project Gutenberg!
The point isn't reading the bibles - we've got preachers to tell us exactly what the bible says, why bother with all of that difficult reading?
The point is the object, the focus, the fetish.
And it's way harder to virtue-signal when you have to keep inviting people over to a monitor to see you've the The Very Best Bible around.
Also the Bible Gateway website has all versions of the bible online to read for free b/c pubic domain. Don't know if they're downloadable though like the Gutenberg site.
Once again, Ryan Walters wants to waste Oklahoma citizens money, waste their teachers' time, and try OUR patience, all because he has a jones on for Donald Trump bibles. The hell of it is that all the texts he wants students to have access to are more than available on the internet.
But of course, that wouldn't cootchie-coo Donnie now, would it? 😝
or couche donnie?
𝐻𝑖𝑠 𝑎𝑛𝑛𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑐𝑒𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑓𝑎𝑙𝑠𝑒𝑙𝑦 𝑠𝑎𝑦𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑂𝑘𝑙𝑎ℎ𝑜𝑚𝑎 𝐿𝑒𝑔𝑖𝑠𝑙𝑎𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑒 “𝑠𝑡𝑟𝑖𝑝𝑝𝑒𝑑 𝑎𝑙𝑙 𝑓𝑢𝑛𝑑𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑎𝑤𝑎𝑦 𝑓𝑟𝑜𝑚 𝑔𝑒𝑡𝑡𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝐵𝑖𝑏𝑙𝑒𝑠 𝑏𝑎𝑐𝑘 𝑖𝑛𝑡𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑐𝑙𝑎𝑠𝑠𝑟𝑜𝑜𝑚” 𝑤ℎ𝑒𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑡𝑟𝑢𝑡ℎ 𝑖𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑗𝑢𝑠𝑡 𝑛𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑎𝑔𝑟𝑒𝑒𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑔𝑖𝑣𝑒 𝑊𝑎𝑙𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑚𝑜𝑛𝑒𝑦.
Liar for Jesus lying for Jesus? In other news, Pope still Catholic, and bears spotted shitting in the woods.
Does the pope shit in the woods?
If he really has to go.
They'll probably get him a bedpan .... he's a bit shoogly these days.
.....And wipes his ass with the rabbit.
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(Apologies to Eddie Murphy)
Clearly they need a nice, big poster with the 10 commandments .... is 'thou shall not lie' still part of the list?
Technically, that commandment is about lying under oath and only applies if it goes against another Jewish person. It’s not telling people to be honest in all interactions in life.
Snark!!!
I didn't know that.
See, I've now learned something from the bible, it's proof that it's a really valuable educational tool: It'll be money well spent!
Last I checked, it was. But those only apply to underlings, not to the ruling class.
I think he is trying to pull this off so he can get a David Barton like grift going. It is attention-seeking behavior and a solution in search of a problem. The legislature, if they don't want to be defending the inevitable lawsuits, should find a way to make him personally liable for the defense.
That would only be a 'slightly less terrible' solution. Spending $160/book of taxpayer money on a book that is free is a horrible budgetary decision even with no lawsuits.
Ursines defecating in a sylvan environment? (I enjoy getting things like that past the WaPo censors back in the day when they still reported actual news.)
It's good to remember that Walter's massively screwed up state and its under-achieving schools are primarily the work product of Bible-believing Christians. I'm yet to understand what problem he thinks he's going to be solving by forcing his particular brand of Christianity into the public schools. As for the historical accuracy of the KJV of the Bible, how could he possibly know that? There is no independent corroboration for any part of the Jesus story, and none what so ever for the events and people of the Old Testament.
The Bible is true fact! It says so in the Bible.
Christian apologists excel at circular arguments. ;)
But grifters gotta grift…..disgusting!!
According to actual biblical historians who study translations for accuracy, it is actually one of the least accurate translations priority was on flowery prose rather than accuracy.
https://kjbhistory.com/the-not-so-exact-king-james-bible/
“Crafted in stunning detail and backed by authenticity…”
Backed by authenticity.
It’s hard to tell what that might mean. It’s the sort of thing a grifter would say to his marks.
Talking of grifters:
Have you - or anyone else around here - ever come across a British TV series called 'Hustle'? If you can find it - it's really really entertaining!
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0379632/
I’ll see if I can find it. Thanks for the referral
I remember watching the first couple seasons, then either moved or the cable company we were with got rid of the channel. It was a great show.
Re Grifters - found a little snippet of 'Hustle': Here Mickey explains it absolutely beautifully ....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XB5OY_qhd0I
(PS It helps that he is also rather dishy!)
"the historical and secular significance of the Bible in all areas of education."
Then you need to provide students with babbles in Aramaic and Greek, they are the most traditional. Not 17th century English.
You could actually use it to teach maths ..... if Ryan Walters wants to buy books for each school, how does he get to a budget requirement of 3m smackeroonis, when the text is out of copyright and bulk discounts would lower the cost of printing and binding? Show your workings .....
Like how to derive the value of π from 1 Kings 7:23:
“And he [Hiram of Tyre, contractor for King Solomon] made a molten sea [washbasin], ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.”
Vade retro, mathanas !
*Invoke Clio for protection.
Secular? The bible? It’s a religious screed, nothing more.
Not even an original screed at that.
It can have a secular use in education. Like in sports or sciences.
Why not? Let's teach kids how many lashes to give slaves.
After all, children get physically punished by parents who own them like property. The young'uns should be able to relate.
I meant throwing them or calculating their aerodynamic.
I was just being snarky. :)
No ?! Since when ?
I was thinking along same lines .... using them to teach gravity or parabolic curves .... They might also be handy for chemistry class: Describe what will happen if we apply this acid to a page .....
Fire is a chemical reaction, right? Let the kids calculate the joules of released energy when you burn a pile of x number of bibles.
But the KJV is fabulous!
Full of fables.
Every time there's a piece on Walters, I refer everyone to rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ryan_Walters and his role in the death of 16-year-old non-binary student Nex Benedict.
Walters has blood on his hands.
Thanks for educating me about the Nex story. Shocking.
Walters is absolutely reprehensible. Proof yet again that Christianity does not equate to morality,
"Backed by authenticity" - Words, how do they work?
Your brilliant mind and my brilliant mind were thinking alike. Unless you were time traveling again and stealing brilliance.
Time traveling was yesterday. I lost an hour somewhere.
Not lost, gone into hiding. Like the groundhog, it saw its shadow and went to hibernate until November 2nd. You will find it again, I promise.
"We'll see." - Trump
You can't steal brilliance, but you can reflect it.
I think we found some of that government waste, fraud, and abuse. Where's Elmo Skum and his incel accountants when we need them?
Oh, but that's government waste, fraud, and abuse that benefits DONNIE! That's DIFFERENT! 🤦♂️
Something tells me that Greenwood's wife finally put her foot down and told him to unload that stockpile from the garage or she's calling in the crew from TV's Hoarders.
Most of the religious types in OK are very picky - and defensive - about which version of christianity is force fed to their kids. [Just listen to any Seth Andrews podcast about growing up as a christian kid in OK.] They don't want the gummint teaching the young-uns any of that hippy Jesus crap. It's also a sure bet those kids were given a bible before they got a bouncy chair. But regardless of all that, if Walters tries to push bibles into classrooms, he's still violating the constitution, no matter who's footing the bill for the books. And he and OK will still face the same tidal wave of [very expensive] lawsuits.
Your first sentence made me laugh! Thank you.
😜
You are fabulous, thank you for this insight!
You're too kind, Natalie!
I enjoy your comments immensely!
Mere words cannot begin to express just how much I loath that 'song'....and that was long before the 'singer' and Dotard the Disgraced Orange Shitegibbon became pals.
His Canadian version is even worse.
A point that should be brought up every time that dreck of a faux-patriot jingoistic drivel is mentioned.
He throw a bunch of ill-placed "eh" mumblings in there, maybe references to The Great One and Elsinore Beer.....
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Beauty, eh.
Okay, I take back everything I said about the role the Bible had in shaping our history. Walters’ tenacity, lies, and underhanded actions to force his religious tome onto schoolchildren in completely unnecessary ways, is totally historical. The contents of said book are irrelevant. The lessons he says the students should learn aren’t what is historical, but the way he’s pushing his religion, using a businessman dressed up as an artist who will profit from selling the books to the schools, it totally and unequivocally American. The fact that we can get these references for free in so many other ways is just icing on the cake.
Ummm ... "totally historical" or "totally hysterical?!?" 😉
Totally mansclerical.
I thought it was testerical. Or a mantrum.
"...honoring their role in shaping American history, law and culture."
The bible? It had ZERO to do with the founding of the United States. The Constitution nowhere recognizes Christianity. The Treaty With Tripoli explicitly states that our form of government was NOT based in Christianity in any way. 5 of the 7 key founders were Deists and knew the devastating effects of Christian rule both in Europe and here a hundered years before the time of the Constitution. They wanted no part of mixing church with state.
No wonder Oklahoma is flunking education.
Just 'cuz I want to, I'm gonna cite the following again:
𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝑈𝑛𝑖𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑆𝑡𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝐴𝑚𝑒𝑟𝑖𝑐𝑎 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑒𝑥ℎ𝑖𝑏𝑖𝑡𝑒𝑑, 𝑝𝑒𝑟ℎ𝑎𝑝𝑠, 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑓𝑖𝑟𝑠𝑡 𝑒𝑥𝑎𝑚𝑝𝑙𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑔𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑛𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑠 𝑒𝑟𝑒𝑐𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑜𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑖𝑚𝑝𝑙𝑒 𝑝𝑟𝑖𝑛𝑐𝑖𝑝𝑙𝑒𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑛𝑎𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑒; 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑖𝑓 𝑚𝑒𝑛 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑛𝑜𝑤 𝑠𝑢𝑓𝑓𝑖𝑐𝑖𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑙𝑦 𝑒𝑛𝑙𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑡𝑒𝑛𝑒𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑑𝑖𝑠𝑎𝑏𝑢𝑠𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑚𝑠𝑒𝑙𝑣𝑒𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑎𝑟𝑡𝑖𝑓𝑖𝑐𝑒, 𝑖𝑚𝑝𝑜𝑠𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑒, ℎ𝑦𝑝𝑜𝑐𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑦, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑠𝑢𝑝𝑒𝑟𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛, 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑠𝑖𝑑𝑒𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑎𝑠 𝑎𝑛 𝑒𝑟𝑎 𝑖𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑟 ℎ𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑜𝑟𝑦. 𝐴𝑙𝑡ℎ𝑜𝑢𝑔ℎ 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑑𝑒𝑡𝑎𝑖𝑙 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑚𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐴𝑚𝑒𝑟𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑛 𝑔𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑛𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑠 𝑖𝑠 𝑎𝑡 𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑙𝑖𝑡𝑡𝑙𝑒 𝑘𝑛𝑜𝑤𝑛 𝑜𝑟 𝑟𝑒𝑔𝑎𝑟𝑑𝑒𝑑 𝑒𝑖𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑖𝑛 𝐸𝑢𝑟𝑜𝑝𝑒 𝑜𝑟 𝑖𝑛 𝐴𝑚𝑒𝑟𝑖𝑐𝑎, 𝑖𝑡 𝑚𝑎𝑦 ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑓𝑡𝑒𝑟 𝑏𝑒𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑒 𝑎𝑛 𝑜𝑏𝑗𝑒𝑐𝑡 𝑜𝑓 𝑐𝑢𝑟𝑖𝑜𝑠𝑖𝑡𝑦. 𝐼𝑡 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑛𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑏𝑒 𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑡𝑒𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑎𝑛𝑦 𝑝𝑒𝑟𝑠𝑜𝑛𝑠 𝑒𝑚𝑝𝑙𝑜𝑦𝑒𝑑 𝑖𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑠𝑒𝑟𝑣𝑖𝑐𝑒 ℎ𝑎𝑑 𝑖𝑛𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑣𝑖𝑒𝑤𝑠 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑔𝑜𝑑𝑠, 𝑜𝑟 𝑤𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑖𝑛 𝑎𝑛𝑦 𝑑𝑒𝑔𝑟𝑒𝑒 𝑢𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑖𝑛𝑓𝑙𝑢𝑒𝑛𝑐𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝐻𝑒𝑎𝑣𝑒𝑛, 𝑚𝑜𝑟𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑜𝑠𝑒 𝑎𝑡 𝑤𝑜𝑟𝑘 𝑢𝑝𝑜𝑛 𝑠ℎ𝑖𝑝𝑠 𝑜𝑟 ℎ𝑜𝑢𝑠𝑒𝑠, 𝑜𝑟 𝑙𝑎𝑏𝑜𝑟𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑖𝑛 𝑚𝑒𝑟𝑐ℎ𝑎𝑛𝑑𝑖𝑠𝑒 𝑜𝑟 𝑎𝑔𝑟𝑖𝑐𝑢𝑙𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑒; 𝑖𝑡 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑏𝑒 𝑎𝑐𝑘𝑛𝑜𝑤𝑙𝑒𝑑𝑔𝑒𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑠𝑒 𝑔𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑛𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑠 𝑤𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑡𝑟𝑖𝑣𝑒𝑑 𝑚𝑒𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑦 𝑏𝑦 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑢𝑠𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑠𝑜𝑛 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑒𝑛𝑠𝑒𝑠.
-- John Adams, "A Defense of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America" (1787-88), from Adrienne Koch, ed, The American Enlightenment: The Shaping of the American Experiment and a Free Society (1965), p. 258]
I was trying to repeat my cost calculation for copies of the Penguin Atlas of World History. I have only found costs for used copies - which would be suitable for private persons, but not for schools. Could anyone stateside please have a look? Thank you.
How can Penguins write a world history when they only live in a tiny part of it?
Made me laugh. A right proper laugh!
Thank you.
You should look up Major General Sir Nils Olav III
:-)
Except for the English ones who live on top of tellys.
But look out...sometimes they explode!
PS It's an atlas. It's full of graphs, charts and maps. Absolutely excellent if you quickly want to check something.
I've had copies since my school days. Every now and again I have to buy a new copy, because I've given mine away. But I don't mind, I can get a used copy from 'that' auction website for a couple of pounds.
𝑊ℎ𝑎𝑡 ℎ𝑎𝑝𝑝𝑒𝑛𝑠 𝑖𝑓 𝑊𝑎𝑙𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑠 𝑟𝑎𝑖𝑠𝑒𝑠 $3 𝑚𝑖𝑙𝑙𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑏𝑢𝑡 𝑐𝑎𝑛’𝑡 𝑔𝑒𝑡 𝑎𝑝𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑣𝑎𝑙 𝑡𝑜 𝑔𝑒𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑏𝑜𝑜𝑘𝑠 𝑖𝑛 𝑐𝑙𝑎𝑠𝑠𝑟𝑜𝑜𝑚𝑠? 𝑊ℎ𝑜 𝑘𝑛𝑜𝑤𝑠. 𝐼 𝑓𝑒𝑒𝑙 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑓𝑖𝑑𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑚𝑜𝑛𝑒𝑦 𝑤𝑜𝑛’𝑡 𝑏𝑒 𝑔𝑜𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡𝑜 𝑐ℎ𝑎𝑟𝑖𝑡𝑦.
Concert tickets don't generate the revenue for the artist that they used to. Streaming services don't pay anywhere near the roylaties that physical media pay. Greenwood's grift here is the equivalent of band merch from Teespring.