Careful tho, the moment right wing brain rot gets ahold of this. It will all be about some illegal brown rapist criminal the demon wokes let in. And not the fact that it was all conservatives all the way down the roster. Right to "you are a woman and therefore anything you say someone did to you is a lie"
Once again we see the disconnect between religion and morality playing out on more than one level. First the church ignored the girl, then they endangered their students by keeping a rapist on their staff, and last but not least, their first instinct was to protect the abuser.
Not directly, but the now 17 year old is unable to go to school in person and has difficulty trusting people. The damage the school did will likely take decades to heal.
Teachers and administrators are mandated reporters in Colorado. The fact that the pastor's first reaction, after calling the victim a liar, was to tell the parents not to report the rape contradicts the school's claim that they followed all mandatory reporting requirements.
When are parents going to learn to call the police themselves when children report sexual assault? When are people going to learn you can't trust schools, especially religious ones, to protect children and not just themselves?
Here we have another sad, despicable example of moral cowardice where a church school not only didn't protect its underage students but schemed to hide its assets against liability. What's that adage again? "With or without religion good people will do good, evil people will do evil, but for good people to do evil, that takes religion." This is a case in point. Horrifying.
I get that, Nogodz. And I'm pretty sure that I do understand exactly what you mean, but I also understand that it's very private and personal for anyone to experience, so I'll never pry.
And had it not been for significant contention between me and both parents at times, I doubt the love would ever have been as strong.
A year ago you unwillingly became a member of one the worst clubs ever.
I wasn’t home when my bride broke the news to our then 6 year old that his favorite grandma had died; she said he broke into tears and couldn’t be consoled for a long time.
I miss her, but that is the normal chain of events. She was in her mid-90s, and had dementia (though not constantly.)
I confess, it sucks to be so absolutely alone in an empty (of people) house, but that's largely selfish. I just want to be certain that everyone here knows how much I appreciate them for being so kind and patient with someone who may be taking a bit longer than normal coming to terms.
All of you folks here are just uncommonly supportive every day, and I just can't express my appreciation adequately. (I promise it won't last forever!)
Typical of churches to discount young girls’ claims of sexual assault, typical of the USA really, but churches especially. Even if this gets traction, most of the right will just use this case as an immigration issue and not address it as a religious power problem. While both may be accurate, the main issue for this lawsuit is the church’s actions regarding the protection of the children in its care. Their decision to forego any safeguards, to ignore her claim, to pressure her to be quiet with accusations against her, to pressure her parents to not go to the police, and to then take actions that protect their financial interests in case their other choices didn’t work, all are proof that the institution was at fault.
I am really sick and tired of our society and the systemic misogyny and outright violence that ignored against women and girls. We are all watching a radical case against a woman who was accused of killing her children as though it was a foregone conclusion that she did it, reporting never used allegedly or accused, always she did it until the mistrial, while like 90% of family annihilations are perpetrated by men. Folks are ready to deny all women basic civil rights and human rights to women over this one case then make excuses for the vast majority of men who do the same damn thing without the excuse of pregnancy and childbirth.
Then we have the case out of California where a 14 year old girl gave birth to her father’s rape/incest baby on the side of the road and the media frames it as she was on the run for murdering the infant. As though she had any control over what was happening to her or the baby. It took weeks of protest to even file an amber alert for her, rather than let’s look for a 14 year old girl murderer. The sheriff is still insisting that it’s the victim that’s the monster and not her parents, father for all the rape, abuse and kidnapping and her mother for allowing it and protecting him (the mother is already in custody and charged because she was complicit in the crimes).
Then it’s constant victim blaming and this same sort of ad hominem attacks against all women who come forth with allegations. That we even entertain the arguments of false allegations against men when the statistics of what is reported show the false allegations are just not happening. This administration actively attacking women’s autonomy, not just with abortion (hello, no one cares that the maternal and infant mortality rates are skyrocketing where abortion bans are harshest) but they’re attacking access to education, work, banking and financial independence, and pretty much everything aspect of women’s lives.
I’m beside myself with this case, it’s atrocious, but it’s also par for the course for centuries of oppression.
If you're talking about Clansey, she did do it. She admitted doing it. She actively planned it, sending her husband out of the house on a made-up errand in order to get the time needed to do it. And she's paralyzed now because her plan was to do a murder/suicide, and she threw herself out the window after killing her kids, leading to her paralysis.
The question before the court/jury was whether she was in her right mind or not when she did it. 11 Jurors wanted not guilty by reason of insanity. But as far as I know not her, not her lawyer, not anyone seriously suggests that she isn't the one who killed the kids. Everyone agrees on the 'what,' the case is about the 'why.'
You aren’t watching the case very closely. The commonwealth still has to prove she did do it, not guilty was still an option. Her confession was tainted from the very beginning and the defense of not guilty by reason of insanity requires an admission of sorts, but it is still not a confession. And until the conviction, assumption of innocence is still the law - media is supposed to couch their descriptions with alleged and accused, which they were not doing until the mistrial. The jury was not convinced she did do it, even the one juror who caused the mistrial had reasonable doubt she was guilty.
Everyone is saying the exact thing you say, that she confessed, that the only thing they need to decide is if she was in her right mind blah blah blah. No, the commonwealth has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that she did do it. They were unable to do so with this trial. The jurors who did watch the whole trial and said as much. She hasn’t been convicted yet, I don’t think she did it, but I am still open to the possibility that she did, and if so, it was likely the psychosis and not premeditated murder.
I hope you aren’t one of the guys that are using this as a weapon against women, “if she supports Clancy then she’s not fit to take care of children.” Or claiming because of this women aren’t capable of voting because they might get psychosis, or any other ridiculous standards they don’t want to be held to themselves. Because there is something off about this case and just because someone questions it does not mean they are incapable of being a human adult.
Also her confession is a double standard when Trump himself brags about breaking laws and sexual assault and it’s dismissed as locker room talk but the confession Patrick claimed she made while laying in the January grass soaking wet, bleeding profusely, with a broken back and neck that no one else could hear is proof all women are trash.
This is my point, women are treated like garbage their whole lives, held to impossible standards, judged harshly for the smallest mistakes, and are grouped together aligned with the worst of us, and still we can never get any justice for the crimes committed against us. This little girl’s life has been ruined because one man had an institution behind him and God himself is interfering in her getting any sort of restitution. All because she doesn’t have the right genitalia for society to respect her as a human. And this isn’t the first time, or a rare occurrence, it’s an everyday normal thing. It is exhausting to live in this world as a woman or girl. It’s terrifying and we just continue doing it every day as though nothing is wrong.
That's a voluntary television interview. He chose to give it, chose to say what he said. This is the lawyer trying to convince the public of the truth as he sees it. And the truth as he sees it is that Lindsey Clansey the physical human being did the killing, but is not guilty of the crime of murder/manslaughter because she was insane at the time she killed them.
This court case is (IMO) not some slippery slope to Gilead, it's just a murder case. One can think she's guilty without being Trump and one can think she's innocent without being an unfit mother. Me personally, I am perfectly content to let the jury (or, the next jury I guess) decide that. Guilty or innocent of the crime of murder? I can't say. Killed them? I can say: the answer seems about as solid a 'yes' as we can expect in a situation like this.
I become so enraged when I read about these rapes of children by persons in authority. The church’s response is so similar to what my church did with friends (fortunately not me) when they were sexually assaulted back in the 70s in rural Idaho. I’d hoped religious leaders had outgrown that tendency to keep families intact and a breadwinner employed instead of in prison, but I guess not. Kids were and still are treated as commodities. I hate religion
How else do you get more fetuses? They rape children to force more births, so they get more victims. And they get a lot of money for adopting out those forced-births. Right-wing orgs have pretty much taken over state adoption agencies because they are also into human trafficking.
So, after Pastor Asshat lied and got caught lying, the church doubles down and lies about his lying. Demonstrating pretty conclusively that the lying for Jesus is systemic and not just a few bad actors.
This is why purity culture is harmful. The entire church leadership, regardless of the truth, sees a 13 year old child as an evil temptress who is out to get them, while an adult sexual predator is righteous and blameless, because the pastor once scolded him for inappropriate behavior.
Excellent point. It’s purity culture that has plagued us both within and outside of these churches. It’s a moral rot that is never addressed, examined, or held accountable.
The most aggravating thing for me, reading this, is thinking about how *easy* doing the right thing would've been. Principal hears the accusation, suspends the staff member while investigating. Makes a phone call to the police. Investigation comes back with findings, you fire the guy. You look into your hiring procedures to make sure they include a background check on future applicants, and....your part is done. The school would walk away almost blameless 𝑖𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑓𝑜𝑙𝑙𝑜𝑤𝑒𝑑 𝑐𝑜𝑟𝑟𝑒𝑐𝑡 𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑐𝑒𝑑𝑢𝑟𝑒 after the student's initial claim. But, like the vast majority of stupid evil s**t done by politicians and leaders, the cover-up takes a bad act and makes it horribly, horribly worse. In this case, the school actively supporting him in the face of student accusations likely contributed to his decision to sexually harass other students.
For what I can tell, "doing the right thing" when a person is up against religious dogma or doctrine is anything but easy. They have been not just told but programmed and indoctrinated into their belief system's idea of "right," and what should be obvious courses of action become anything but.
Hitchens said it well: religion poisons EVERYTHING.
I am not sure what Christian dogma states that a school's interim music director must be protected from criminal accusations at all costs.
Really, there's nothing in the gospels even about protecting priests or churches from reputational harm. If anything, Jesus was pretty negative on institutions.
When I was a kid, some of my friends who went to Regis (Catholic High School) belonged to CYA, which we were told stood for Catholic Youth Association. I've since figured out that the priests were probably sniggering that they'd put one over on everybody with their Cover Your Ass plan.
Yet again:
No drag queens or atheists involved. You know. The "immoral" ones.
No LGBTQ+ folk, either. Funny thing, that.
Me thinks a pattern is emerging. Mmmh?
Emerging? The pattern is so well established that it is used to teach what a pattern is.
Another pedophile sexpest. Another day ending in ‘Y’. This is so prevalent that States should make staff vetting and liability insurance mandatory.
Careful tho, the moment right wing brain rot gets ahold of this. It will all be about some illegal brown rapist criminal the demon wokes let in. And not the fact that it was all conservatives all the way down the roster. Right to "you are a woman and therefore anything you say someone did to you is a lie"
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Once again we see the disconnect between religion and morality playing out on more than one level. First the church ignored the girl, then they endangered their students by keeping a rapist on their staff, and last but not least, their first instinct was to protect the abuser.
You’re not being fair here. They were also protecting their assets. Will no one think of the poor innocent dollars?
All dollars matter.
At least, the school didn't punish the victim for her abortion.
They did worse. They called her a liar, protected her rapist, and made it impossible for her to trust her peers and other adults.
Not directly, but the now 17 year old is unable to go to school in person and has difficulty trusting people. The damage the school did will likely take decades to heal.
If it ever heals completely.
It didn't sound like they knew about it.
If they knew, they would have expelled and slut-shamed the child, instead of just calling her a liar.
Trump's 1:1: Grab em by the pussy. They let you when you're Christian.
Patriarchal pastors consider women and girls to be property and brood mares.
"𝑐ℎ𝑢𝑟𝑐ℎ 𝑜𝑓𝑓𝑖𝑐𝑖𝑎𝑙𝑠 𝑘𝑛𝑒𝑤 𝑀𝑎𝑟𝑟𝑜𝑞𝑢𝑖𝑛 𝑤𝑎𝑠 𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑚𝑢𝑛𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑖𝑛𝑎𝑝𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑝𝑟𝑖𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑙𝑦 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑢𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑟𝑎𝑔𝑒 𝑔𝑖𝑟𝑙𝑠"
Schoolgirls don't get pregnant from "inappropriete communications", she had been R A P E D.
Indeed. These dips are afraid to call a spade a spade here, I suspect mostly because it makes them look a LOT more culpable!
Lucky he didn’t communicate some bacteria.
Instead of moving heaven and earth to protect children, Pastor Asshat & Company simply circle the wagons
I shudder to think of how many children they have trapped inside that circle.
The Catholic Church has been doing it for centuries.
Damn near 2 millennia.
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Teachers and administrators are mandated reporters in Colorado. The fact that the pastor's first reaction, after calling the victim a liar, was to tell the parents not to report the rape contradicts the school's claim that they followed all mandatory reporting requirements.
When are parents going to learn to call the police themselves when children report sexual assault? When are people going to learn you can't trust schools, especially religious ones, to protect children and not just themselves?
Here we have another sad, despicable example of moral cowardice where a church school not only didn't protect its underage students but schemed to hide its assets against liability. What's that adage again? "With or without religion good people will do good, evil people will do evil, but for good people to do evil, that takes religion." This is a case in point. Horrifying.
That's assuming they were good to begin with.
The five stages of church behavior when confronted with abuse:
Denial
Anger (at the victim)
Pressure
Hiding (the perp and the money)
Lying
My dear friends....
Mom died a year ago, within an hour of now.
Thank you all for being so kind and caring, and providing a place.
Awful thing to lose a loving, supportive parent. My continued condolences.
Thank you, Nogodz.
She's still here, in her way.
Just seeing this.
I keep my mom and dad in my memories in both my waking hours as well as when I sleep/dream.
Hugs, me too.
Thank you!
Hugs are few and far between these days.
I had expectations of someday being the ONLY single guy my age range in the entire local area, and with ALL my hair (and then some), AND a flat belly.
And then they all turned out to be MAGA!
That's fine. I have work to do, and all of you are my new family.
"Hugs are few and far between these days."
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That we are, I followed Joan here from some comment, and I was like “These are my people!”
I get that, Nogodz. And I'm pretty sure that I do understand exactly what you mean, but I also understand that it's very private and personal for anyone to experience, so I'll never pry.
And had it not been for significant contention between me and both parents at times, I doubt the love would ever have been as strong.
Thank you deeply for your kind generosity.
Hugs, I lost mine in 2001, the price of being a late-life baby.
That does seem unfortunate, and I'm sorry that so much of your life must have been without them.
I frequently find myself turning, as if to ask Dad (or Mom) a question. Perhaps there is less of that, in time, or perhaps I'll be OK with it.
Thank you.
A year ago you unwillingly became a member of one the worst clubs ever.
I wasn’t home when my bride broke the news to our then 6 year old that his favorite grandma had died; she said he broke into tears and couldn’t be consoled for a long time.
You have a caring, feeling child, and that will build a strong heart.
He is 28 now and I’m proud of him. Whereas I wanted to beat him into next week a decade ago,
Sorry to hear this. Many hugs and deepest condolences to you.
Thank you, Whitney.
I miss her, but that is the normal chain of events. She was in her mid-90s, and had dementia (though not constantly.)
I confess, it sucks to be so absolutely alone in an empty (of people) house, but that's largely selfish. I just want to be certain that everyone here knows how much I appreciate them for being so kind and patient with someone who may be taking a bit longer than normal coming to terms.
All of you folks here are just uncommonly supportive every day, and I just can't express my appreciation adequately. (I promise it won't last forever!)
Typical of churches to discount young girls’ claims of sexual assault, typical of the USA really, but churches especially. Even if this gets traction, most of the right will just use this case as an immigration issue and not address it as a religious power problem. While both may be accurate, the main issue for this lawsuit is the church’s actions regarding the protection of the children in its care. Their decision to forego any safeguards, to ignore her claim, to pressure her to be quiet with accusations against her, to pressure her parents to not go to the police, and to then take actions that protect their financial interests in case their other choices didn’t work, all are proof that the institution was at fault.
I am really sick and tired of our society and the systemic misogyny and outright violence that ignored against women and girls. We are all watching a radical case against a woman who was accused of killing her children as though it was a foregone conclusion that she did it, reporting never used allegedly or accused, always she did it until the mistrial, while like 90% of family annihilations are perpetrated by men. Folks are ready to deny all women basic civil rights and human rights to women over this one case then make excuses for the vast majority of men who do the same damn thing without the excuse of pregnancy and childbirth.
Then we have the case out of California where a 14 year old girl gave birth to her father’s rape/incest baby on the side of the road and the media frames it as she was on the run for murdering the infant. As though she had any control over what was happening to her or the baby. It took weeks of protest to even file an amber alert for her, rather than let’s look for a 14 year old girl murderer. The sheriff is still insisting that it’s the victim that’s the monster and not her parents, father for all the rape, abuse and kidnapping and her mother for allowing it and protecting him (the mother is already in custody and charged because she was complicit in the crimes).
Then it’s constant victim blaming and this same sort of ad hominem attacks against all women who come forth with allegations. That we even entertain the arguments of false allegations against men when the statistics of what is reported show the false allegations are just not happening. This administration actively attacking women’s autonomy, not just with abortion (hello, no one cares that the maternal and infant mortality rates are skyrocketing where abortion bans are harshest) but they’re attacking access to education, work, banking and financial independence, and pretty much everything aspect of women’s lives.
I’m beside myself with this case, it’s atrocious, but it’s also par for the course for centuries of oppression.
𝑊𝑒 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑎𝑙𝑙 𝑤𝑎𝑡𝑐ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑎 𝑟𝑎𝑑𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑙 𝑐𝑎𝑠𝑒 𝑎𝑔𝑎𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑡 𝑎 𝑤𝑜𝑚𝑎𝑛 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑤𝑎𝑠 𝑎𝑐𝑐𝑢𝑠𝑒𝑑 𝑜𝑓 𝑘𝑖𝑙𝑙𝑖𝑛𝑔 ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑐ℎ𝑖𝑙𝑑𝑟𝑒𝑛 𝑎𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑜𝑢𝑔ℎ 𝑖𝑡 𝑤𝑎𝑠 𝑎 𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑒𝑔𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑐𝑙𝑢𝑠𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑠ℎ𝑒 𝑑𝑖𝑑 𝑖𝑡
If you're talking about Clansey, she did do it. She admitted doing it. She actively planned it, sending her husband out of the house on a made-up errand in order to get the time needed to do it. And she's paralyzed now because her plan was to do a murder/suicide, and she threw herself out the window after killing her kids, leading to her paralysis.
The question before the court/jury was whether she was in her right mind or not when she did it. 11 Jurors wanted not guilty by reason of insanity. But as far as I know not her, not her lawyer, not anyone seriously suggests that she isn't the one who killed the kids. Everyone agrees on the 'what,' the case is about the 'why.'
You aren’t watching the case very closely. The commonwealth still has to prove she did do it, not guilty was still an option. Her confession was tainted from the very beginning and the defense of not guilty by reason of insanity requires an admission of sorts, but it is still not a confession. And until the conviction, assumption of innocence is still the law - media is supposed to couch their descriptions with alleged and accused, which they were not doing until the mistrial. The jury was not convinced she did do it, even the one juror who caused the mistrial had reasonable doubt she was guilty.
Everyone is saying the exact thing you say, that she confessed, that the only thing they need to decide is if she was in her right mind blah blah blah. No, the commonwealth has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that she did do it. They were unable to do so with this trial. The jurors who did watch the whole trial and said as much. She hasn’t been convicted yet, I don’t think she did it, but I am still open to the possibility that she did, and if so, it was likely the psychosis and not premeditated murder.
I hope you aren’t one of the guys that are using this as a weapon against women, “if she supports Clancy then she’s not fit to take care of children.” Or claiming because of this women aren’t capable of voting because they might get psychosis, or any other ridiculous standards they don’t want to be held to themselves. Because there is something off about this case and just because someone questions it does not mean they are incapable of being a human adult.
Also her confession is a double standard when Trump himself brags about breaking laws and sexual assault and it’s dismissed as locker room talk but the confession Patrick claimed she made while laying in the January grass soaking wet, bleeding profusely, with a broken back and neck that no one else could hear is proof all women are trash.
This is my point, women are treated like garbage their whole lives, held to impossible standards, judged harshly for the smallest mistakes, and are grouped together aligned with the worst of us, and still we can never get any justice for the crimes committed against us. This little girl’s life has been ruined because one man had an institution behind him and God himself is interfering in her getting any sort of restitution. All because she doesn’t have the right genitalia for society to respect her as a human. And this isn’t the first time, or a rare occurrence, it’s an everyday normal thing. It is exhausting to live in this world as a woman or girl. It’s terrifying and we just continue doing it every day as though nothing is wrong.
Here is her own lawyer basically stating that she killed the kids: https://www.facebook.com/NBCNews/videos/i-want-my-babies-reddington-says-clancy-today-is-not-the-same-person-who-killed-/1861096254921839/
That's a voluntary television interview. He chose to give it, chose to say what he said. This is the lawyer trying to convince the public of the truth as he sees it. And the truth as he sees it is that Lindsey Clansey the physical human being did the killing, but is not guilty of the crime of murder/manslaughter because she was insane at the time she killed them.
This court case is (IMO) not some slippery slope to Gilead, it's just a murder case. One can think she's guilty without being Trump and one can think she's innocent without being an unfit mother. Me personally, I am perfectly content to let the jury (or, the next jury I guess) decide that. Guilty or innocent of the crime of murder? I can't say. Killed them? I can say: the answer seems about as solid a 'yes' as we can expect in a situation like this.
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I become so enraged when I read about these rapes of children by persons in authority. The church’s response is so similar to what my church did with friends (fortunately not me) when they were sexually assaulted back in the 70s in rural Idaho. I’d hoped religious leaders had outgrown that tendency to keep families intact and a breadwinner employed instead of in prison, but I guess not. Kids were and still are treated as commodities. I hate religion
Xtians go out of their way to protect fetuses while simultaneously doing nothing to stop sexual abuse of living breathing children.
A pox on this religion. A pox on all religions.
RFK Jr says Pox strengthen the immune system. So they're good.
At this point, if RFK Jr told me the sky is blue, I'd be looking out a window to check.
How else do you get more fetuses? They rape children to force more births, so they get more victims. And they get a lot of money for adopting out those forced-births. Right-wing orgs have pretty much taken over state adoption agencies because they are also into human trafficking.
“𝑁𝑜𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑏𝑎𝑑 ℎ𝑎𝑝𝑝𝑒𝑛𝑒𝑑,” 𝐹𝑎𝑟ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑠𝑎𝑖𝑑 𝑖𝑛 𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑚𝑒𝑠𝑠𝑎𝑔𝑒𝑠. “𝐼 𝑘𝑛𝑒𝑤 𝑖𝑡 𝑤𝑎𝑠 𝑎 𝑙𝑖𝑒 𝑠𝑜 𝐼 𝑤𝑎𝑛𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑠𝑞𝑢𝑎𝑠ℎ 𝑖𝑡 𝑟𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑡 𝑎𝑤𝑎𝑦 𝑠𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑛𝑜 𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑤𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑘 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑜𝑙𝑖𝑐𝑒 𝑛𝑒𝑒𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑏𝑒 𝑖𝑛𝑣𝑜𝑙𝑣𝑒𝑑."
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𝑂𝑛 𝑆𝑎𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑑𝑎𝑦, 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑐ℎ𝑢𝑟𝑐ℎ 𝑠𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑎 𝑙𝑒𝑡𝑡𝑒𝑟 𝑡𝑜 𝑚𝑒𝑚𝑏𝑒𝑟 𝑓𝑎𝑚𝑖𝑙𝑖𝑒𝑠 𝑠𝑎𝑦𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑒𝑔𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛𝑠 𝑖𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑙𝑎𝑤𝑠𝑢𝑖𝑡 𝑤𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑢𝑛𝑡𝑟𝑢𝑒, 𝑠𝑝𝑒𝑐𝑖𝑓𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑦 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑎𝑟𝑡𝑠 𝑤ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝐹𝑎𝑟ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑠𝑎𝑖𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑣𝑖𝑐𝑡𝑖𝑚 𝑤𝑎𝑠 𝑙𝑦𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑜𝑟 𝑑𝑖𝑑𝑛’𝑡 𝑡𝑎𝑘𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑒𝑔𝑒𝑑 𝑎𝑏𝑢𝑠𝑒 𝑠𝑒𝑟𝑖𝑜𝑢𝑠𝑙𝑦.
So, after Pastor Asshat lied and got caught lying, the church doubles down and lies about his lying. Demonstrating pretty conclusively that the lying for Jesus is systemic and not just a few bad actors.
This is why purity culture is harmful. The entire church leadership, regardless of the truth, sees a 13 year old child as an evil temptress who is out to get them, while an adult sexual predator is righteous and blameless, because the pastor once scolded him for inappropriate behavior.
And then they tried to hide / move their assets because they knew - they knew - it was going to be bad for them.
Excellent point. It’s purity culture that has plagued us both within and outside of these churches. It’s a moral rot that is never addressed, examined, or held accountable.
The most aggravating thing for me, reading this, is thinking about how *easy* doing the right thing would've been. Principal hears the accusation, suspends the staff member while investigating. Makes a phone call to the police. Investigation comes back with findings, you fire the guy. You look into your hiring procedures to make sure they include a background check on future applicants, and....your part is done. The school would walk away almost blameless 𝑖𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑓𝑜𝑙𝑙𝑜𝑤𝑒𝑑 𝑐𝑜𝑟𝑟𝑒𝑐𝑡 𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑐𝑒𝑑𝑢𝑟𝑒 after the student's initial claim. But, like the vast majority of stupid evil s**t done by politicians and leaders, the cover-up takes a bad act and makes it horribly, horribly worse. In this case, the school actively supporting him in the face of student accusations likely contributed to his decision to sexually harass other students.
For what I can tell, "doing the right thing" when a person is up against religious dogma or doctrine is anything but easy. They have been not just told but programmed and indoctrinated into their belief system's idea of "right," and what should be obvious courses of action become anything but.
Hitchens said it well: religion poisons EVERYTHING.
I am not sure what Christian dogma states that a school's interim music director must be protected from criminal accusations at all costs.
Really, there's nothing in the gospels even about protecting priests or churches from reputational harm. If anything, Jesus was pretty negative on institutions.
What did you expect the church to do? Repent for their sins? Come on, get serious.
What happened to millstones and being tossed into the sea awaiting those who cause children to “stumble?”
Lack of granite and lack of salvage teams to reuse the ones that are on the bottom already.
Let’s
Get
Serious
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I promise you, to some people the fact he wasn't legal to work here will matter more than how he abused kids.
Those MAGAts sure do hate the immigrants (except when they can exploit them for less than minimum wage).
Do xtian schools have the 10 Commandments posted in their hallways and classrooms?
Since xtian adults in authority over children lie frequently and with ease, maybe the commandment about bearing false witness should be highlighted.
Ah, so that's why they want the 10C's posted in all schools. Clearly it wasn't his fault as they weren't posted. How could he know?
When I was a kid, some of my friends who went to Regis (Catholic High School) belonged to CYA, which we were told stood for Catholic Youth Association. I've since figured out that the priests were probably sniggering that they'd put one over on everybody with their Cover Your Ass plan.