As if drag queens and trans people are the common perpetrators…quite the opposite. They have far more understanding of the damage of cruel treatment. We will see the churches eventually become irrelevant. I think it will happen in my lifetime. Look forward to better use for church property. All religious cult facilities. It is utterly bizarre that people still belong to these cults. Freaky.
Badly, BADLY overdue. I just have to wonder how long it will be before the media recognize that it's not just a couple bad apples, but damned near the whole barrel.
Again, I have to disagree. I still remember the pastors I grew up with when I was a kid, and particularly as a teen. They were good people, insofar as I knew, and genuinely gave a damn about their congregants. Granted that that's well over half a century ago and in a church which was about as liberal as you would find in 1960s America. I suspect that such people still exist.
It may be that they are fewer and further in between.
My parents attended a Presby church they helped build back in the 50s. And they went to that church for decades. Then they got a new pastor from the Presbyterian Pastor-Matic. Then suddenly, they left.
I never got the whole story, but there were murmurs... something about that preacher getting caught with kiddie porn. Folks didn't discuss it much beyond that.
Bingo. Maybe it is because some fruits are poisonous and not good for one’s health. Anyone that looks for guidance from those that speak for a mythical spirit suffer a type of illness endemic to humanity. It is like lead poisoning is to the body—ingestion of lead over a long period of time—slowly debilitate the body and brain and causing mental retardation—this poison over time also results in a type of retardation.
If a rehab group called God Fanatics Anonymous existed the first step in their program is to admit that humans are gods with anuses (Earnest Becker). The only species, so far, that knows they’re going to die and eventually extinct. Religion is an after life survival school.
I saw some celebrity recently citing that life is too good for there not to be anything afterwards. All I could think was, "Really? That's your reason for believing in a fairy tale?"
In this case, the donors who left in disgust is a bright note. Let's hope this becomes a trend. In the past two weeks, it seems at least 3 churches have closed down due to pastoral diddling of parishioner's kids. Yeah, they can open another church, that's true. If only there were laws preventing that... or activists willing to expose them before their new churches get rolling. Attending a new church that has people out front with signs might give people second thoughts about joining.
To be fair The Herald-Leader is the best paper left in the state. The difference between being sold to McClatchy versus Gannet (Louisville's Courier Journal) has played out pretty starkly. I wish they'd cover Louisville news so there'd be a paper I could subscribe to here.
I get a lot of telemarketer BS that involves Snapchat and whatsApp, two things I don't use. Also something similar to Paypal, can't remember the name, but if people are trying to get you to load those, it's likely a scam. One hacked account on FB was downright pushy, as they were "feeling generous" and wanted to give me free money.
I told them to give it to Planned Parenthood, then narked them off to the real owner of the account.
I regularly receive emails about a problem with my bank account and if I will be kind enough to use the link provided to connect to it. From my mother's bank, not mine 🤣
I just got a call from a guy with a heavy Indian accent, telling me he was from "garble." I said, "You're calling about what?" "Garble." Okay, I got it, he's calling from my "tv service." I got him to say it six times before he hung up on me. :D
When DM and me still used our landlines*, we received calls from telemarketers, even as we were on "liste rouge" and our phone number was not public. So, instead of hanging up, we put the phone near the computer and put some music (In Extremo or Children of Bodom). The calls decreased quickly 😁
* We didn't have the means to afford two cell phones at that time.
Closing up shop is the protestant equivalent to catholic diocese declaring bankruptcy. Both are a way to avoid accountability.
People in authority at LexCity church must have had strong suspicions that King was shady or they wouldn't have acted so quickly to offload him. Youth minister, pastor, catholic priest, scout leader, take your pick, they're all synonymous with pedophile. Kind of like Willie Horton robbing banks because that's where the money is, men with certain predilections go into ministry or youth work because that's where the kids are.
Pastor Zachery King! She was 15 and you knew it. Still a child. How many others pedophile! Go to prison. Did you become a priest just to rape children? Fking ahole. I can't say what I really feel about priests like you Zachery.
15 year olds are too young to be having sex! He raped a minor. Seems like most if not all priests indulge in sex with children these days. And the people they report to look the other way. This is on him not on her.
I think you'll find that my friend BHm just didn't put in a "/s" at the end of her statement. Little doubt but that she's as appalled as the rest of us are about what happened to that kid.
So right. Every church. Not just the mega- churches. Every church. And the higher ups look the other way. Look at Boston. I still remember 20 years ago when that came out. Still happening here and they point the fingers at parishioners.
Marty Baron reported that story of the Boston Globe, then he shared his talent with th Washington Post, back when it was still good.Once he left it went downhill. Now Bezos has hired a Murdoch UK tabloid man, a very slimy one. And all they post is "Joe's old!"
Marty Baron did the right thing putting it out there in the cold light of day. Back then Cardinal Law knew and was enabling priests by re-assigning them. Cardinal Law when he left Boston got the second biggest church at the Vatican and quite the send-off for a jerk currently in Hell.
These churches “closing” are simply a version of the old time marketing ploy of furniture stores. They close one location and open across the street with a different name. After all, this is nothing but another business conning the suckers.
Christians are told to fear their god. King raped a 15-year-old not only at at his home AND her home, but even in his god's house of worship. I'm thinking he doesn't really believe in the god he spews about. He wasn't even worried about the ministry. He took it down with him when the civil authorities finally caught up with him.
Somehow they will find a way to play the victim. They always do. Pedophiles go where the kids are, and that's never going to change. Child molesters do not fare well in prison, and I don't care what happens to this creep. Things like this would be less of a problem if people just stopped delegating an important part of their thinking to those claiming to speak for the almighty. Unfortunately, humans are natural born herd animals.
+++ It is, and I suspect it may be part of our survival strategy as a species. Our puny little ancestors survived by banding together. While cooperation is as important as it ever was, it can have some very undesireable outcomes when religion gets involved.
Absolutely! Unfortunately, there is an entire industry dedicated to taking people in the opposite direction. I call it the Christo-fascist screech machine.
The issue here is hierarchy and Milgram's 'obedience to authority' problem. The more hierarchical/authoritarian the tribe, the more abuse flows down from the top. Adding more people who don't look/act like us to our tribe does not solve this problem.
Hey, we just want to be loved. Is that so wrong? We’re headed for one tribe national order. A love hate relationship. It seems free love to all, is too expensive.
I have an associate that is a retired prison guard and he says that is wishful thinking, they fare no worse than anyone else but it is an urban legend .Unless they are Jeffrey Dahmer.
The question is: will the IRS actually DO something about it? Considering their indifference to the Johnson Amendment, I wonder if this has any more ability to stir them up.
The IRS isn't indifferent, it has been hampered by the budget of a film nor detective and legislation that shelters these SOBs. It is the number one, maybe two thing they really hate about Joe Biden--he funded the IRS.
Remember the IRS (under Obama) were investigating the mushrooming of 501c's non-profits? That coincidentally sprung up after the Citizens United decision? They screamed bloody murder, and the republicans managed to cut their funding.
Between the church being named LexCity Church and the picture of a bald guy preaching, I thought somehow DC comics universe had bled into ours and Lex Luthor was running a church.
Good! Most churches today are suffering the same issue. People aren’t buying in to their money schemes & political opinions. Make these places community centers to help all, a place for people to gather without the fantasy religious non-sense. Sexual abuse in churches seems more the rule than the exception.
Shutting down also helps them avoid paying for the crimes happening under their watch. It is good they got rid of him, but it does still seem like a pr move more than a protect the congregation from a predator move.
𝑍𝑎𝑐ℎ𝑎𝑟𝑦 𝐾𝑖𝑛𝑔, 47, 𝑖𝑠 𝑓𝑎𝑐𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑐ℎ𝑎𝑟𝑔𝑒𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑓𝑖𝑟𝑠𝑡-𝑑𝑒𝑔𝑟𝑒𝑒 𝑟𝑎𝑝𝑒, 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑟𝑑-𝑑𝑒𝑔𝑟𝑒𝑒 𝑟𝑎𝑝𝑒, 𝑓𝑖𝑟𝑠𝑡-𝑑𝑒𝑔𝑟𝑒𝑒 𝑠𝑜𝑑𝑜𝑚𝑦, 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑟𝑑-𝑑𝑒𝑔𝑟𝑒𝑒 𝑠𝑜𝑑𝑜𝑚𝑦, 𝑓𝑖𝑟𝑠𝑡-𝑑𝑒𝑔𝑟𝑒𝑒 𝑠𝑒𝑥𝑢𝑎𝑙 𝑎𝑏𝑢𝑠𝑒 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑐𝑢𝑟𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑜𝑟 𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑚𝑜𝑡𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑢𝑠𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑎 𝑚𝑖𝑛𝑜𝑟 𝑏𝑦 𝑒𝑙𝑒𝑐𝑡𝑟𝑜𝑛𝑖𝑐 𝑚𝑒𝑎𝑛𝑠, 𝑎𝑐𝑐𝑜𝑟𝑑𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡𝑜 𝑐𝑜𝑢𝑟𝑡 𝑟𝑒𝑐𝑜𝑟𝑑𝑠.
𝑁𝑜𝑡 𝑎 𝑑𝑟𝑎𝑔 𝑞𝑢𝑒𝑒𝑛.
𝑁𝑜, 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑤𝑎𝑠 𝑐𝑙𝑒𝑟𝑔𝑦.
Finally the mainstream media points out what we have been saying all along.
As if drag queens and trans people are the common perpetrators…quite the opposite. They have far more understanding of the damage of cruel treatment. We will see the churches eventually become irrelevant. I think it will happen in my lifetime. Look forward to better use for church property. All religious cult facilities. It is utterly bizarre that people still belong to these cults. Freaky.
Good slogan in there somewhere.
Who is really molesting the children?
Praying can lead to being molested
Beware of for the Holy Spirit of the molestor
Give your tithings to your local molestor
Come together in prayer for moletration
Yea though I walk through the valley of molestration
Repent to your local molestor
The way to the gates of molestration heaven
Support you local molestor
Sex is a sin unless with the churches molestor
Walk with your molestor up the stairway to heaven
Your molestor loves you
I’m sure someone can come up with something good.
I hope so.
In this day and age it is very weird.
Badly, BADLY overdue. I just have to wonder how long it will be before the media recognize that it's not just a couple bad apples, but damned near the whole barrel.
Spoiler alert: Its the whole orchard that’s rotten.
Again, I have to disagree. I still remember the pastors I grew up with when I was a kid, and particularly as a teen. They were good people, insofar as I knew, and genuinely gave a damn about their congregants. Granted that that's well over half a century ago and in a church which was about as liberal as you would find in 1960s America. I suspect that such people still exist.
It may be that they are fewer and further in between.
My parents attended a Presby church they helped build back in the 50s. And they went to that church for decades. Then they got a new pastor from the Presbyterian Pastor-Matic. Then suddenly, they left.
I never got the whole story, but there were murmurs... something about that preacher getting caught with kiddie porn. Folks didn't discuss it much beyond that.
Bingo. Maybe it is because some fruits are poisonous and not good for one’s health. Anyone that looks for guidance from those that speak for a mythical spirit suffer a type of illness endemic to humanity. It is like lead poisoning is to the body—ingestion of lead over a long period of time—slowly debilitate the body and brain and causing mental retardation—this poison over time also results in a type of retardation.
It's a manchineel orchard.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchineel
Bingo! The good non-molesters are the exception.
Also, do any of them not know how that expression goes about one bad apple?
If we can get them to take off the blinkers and the god-glasses (a VERY big "IF!"), they have a chance to apply that thought to their situation.
But it IS a big "IF."
If a rehab group called God Fanatics Anonymous existed the first step in their program is to admit that humans are gods with anuses (Earnest Becker). The only species, so far, that knows they’re going to die and eventually extinct. Religion is an after life survival school.
I saw some celebrity recently citing that life is too good for there not to be anything afterwards. All I could think was, "Really? That's your reason for believing in a fairy tale?"
Tell that to the Palestinians, the Jewish people during the Holocaust, Ukrainians, ...
...don't spoil the whole bunch, girl?
https://youtu.be/30Cxl5bVmVU?si=Hwp4Fc4gz3CzwMBa
Not even for you, Regular Joe, am I going to click onto an Osmonds link! 😜
That's what passed as "popular music" back in my youth.
(Fortunately, I found AOR - Album Oriented Rock - early and was thus saved from mediocrity. 😁)
The Osmonds were white bread America's less-talented answer to The Jackson 5.
They were from Utah, and had too many teeth!
In this case, the donors who left in disgust is a bright note. Let's hope this becomes a trend. In the past two weeks, it seems at least 3 churches have closed down due to pastoral diddling of parishioner's kids. Yeah, they can open another church, that's true. If only there were laws preventing that... or activists willing to expose them before their new churches get rolling. Attending a new church that has people out front with signs might give people second thoughts about joining.
Or they will think the church is being persecuted, which will make them want to join.
It's horrifying how badly some people want to believe they are being persecuted for their faith.
Yes, I call that "Martyrbation."
The full saying is ""One bad apple spoils the whole barrel."
These are road apples. You don't want to eat them unless you bake them into a special pie.
using a cow as a 'mixer'
A cow with a bad case of scours.
To be fair The Herald-Leader is the best paper left in the state. The difference between being sold to McClatchy versus Gannet (Louisville's Courier Journal) has played out pretty starkly. I wish they'd cover Louisville news so there'd be a paper I could subscribe to here.
Should have also included 'Not trans', but otherwise agree with your point, Joe.
Baby steps.
Indeed. I'm actually shocked a mainstream news outlet called it like it is. A good start.
Is it possible that someone in the news media has been reading us or something like us? That would be truly far out!
That would be awesome, but perhaps it's that the weight of the evidence has finally broken through. Whatever it is, I'm glad to see this.
"what lessons are they really going to learn"
To use burner phones, with innocuous text messages and stay away from Snapchat and WhatsApp.
My suspicion is that King will also shortly learn not to drop the soap in the prison shower.
And to keep his back against a wall all the time.
Holy Soap Flakes, Batman!
Why? Maybe that is his secret desire.
I get a lot of telemarketer BS that involves Snapchat and whatsApp, two things I don't use. Also something similar to Paypal, can't remember the name, but if people are trying to get you to load those, it's likely a scam. One hacked account on FB was downright pushy, as they were "feeling generous" and wanted to give me free money.
I told them to give it to Planned Parenthood, then narked them off to the real owner of the account.
I regularly receive emails about a problem with my bank account and if I will be kind enough to use the link provided to connect to it. From my mother's bank, not mine 🤣
Falling for those phishing emails makes about as much sense as joining a church.
I just got a call from a guy with a heavy Indian accent, telling me he was from "garble." I said, "You're calling about what?" "Garble." Okay, I got it, he's calling from my "tv service." I got him to say it six times before he hung up on me. :D
When DM and me still used our landlines*, we received calls from telemarketers, even as we were on "liste rouge" and our phone number was not public. So, instead of hanging up, we put the phone near the computer and put some music (In Extremo or Children of Bodom). The calls decreased quickly 😁
* We didn't have the means to afford two cell phones at that time.
Venmo?
The Matt Gaetz preferred underage sex payment company. He didn't know to make his account private.
Yes, I remember that now. Such a dumb ass.
I’ve never had any problems with Venmo and I use pretty regularly.
Yep, that's it!
Of course. Evil always adapts.
Closing up shop is the protestant equivalent to catholic diocese declaring bankruptcy. Both are a way to avoid accountability.
People in authority at LexCity church must have had strong suspicions that King was shady or they wouldn't have acted so quickly to offload him. Youth minister, pastor, catholic priest, scout leader, take your pick, they're all synonymous with pedophile. Kind of like Willie Horton robbing banks because that's where the money is, men with certain predilections go into ministry or youth work because that's where the kids are.
And the added benefit of trust the sheep have for Men of Gawwwwd...
Nicely done.
But they're all 'gay' men. So all gay men are pedophiles. Or so the propaganda goes.
I was with you until you mentioned Willie Horton.....
Pastor Zachery King! She was 15 and you knew it. Still a child. How many others pedophile! Go to prison. Did you become a priest just to rape children? Fking ahole. I can't say what I really feel about priests like you Zachery.
She is a Jezabel who wronged an honest man !
(USA futur if the republicons party get its dreamed theocracy).
15 year olds are too young to be having sex! He raped a minor. Seems like most if not all priests indulge in sex with children these days. And the people they report to look the other way. This is on him not on her.
I think you'll find that my friend BHm just didn't put in a "/s" at the end of her statement. Little doubt but that she's as appalled as the rest of us are about what happened to that kid.
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Thanks for clarifying! I'm wicked sarcastic too but sometimes on comments it's harder to tell. 👍 Don't stop the sarcasm!
Il faudra me passer sur le corps.
(Just in case of a literal translation, it doesn't mean what it seems to mean😁)
The Devil made him do it.
So right. Every church. Not just the mega- churches. Every church. And the higher ups look the other way. Look at Boston. I still remember 20 years ago when that came out. Still happening here and they point the fingers at parishioners.
Marty Baron reported that story of the Boston Globe, then he shared his talent with th Washington Post, back when it was still good.Once he left it went downhill. Now Bezos has hired a Murdoch UK tabloid man, a very slimy one. And all they post is "Joe's old!"
Marty Baron did the right thing putting it out there in the cold light of day. Back then Cardinal Law knew and was enabling priests by re-assigning them. Cardinal Law when he left Boston got the second biggest church at the Vatican and quite the send-off for a jerk currently in Hell.
Was he on vacation from Amityville ?
These churches “closing” are simply a version of the old time marketing ploy of furniture stores. They close one location and open across the street with a different name. After all, this is nothing but another business conning the suckers.
Christian version of the shell game.
🎯And they excell at it.
Christians are told to fear their god. King raped a 15-year-old not only at at his home AND her home, but even in his god's house of worship. I'm thinking he doesn't really believe in the god he spews about. He wasn't even worried about the ministry. He took it down with him when the civil authorities finally caught up with him.
Many of them do not. See "Caught in the Pulpit" by Daniel Dennett.
Considering the god we're talking about, he was probably spectating with a beer and a bucket of popcorn, and taking notes for his next book.
Got it in his search history and watches it over and over.
Somehow they will find a way to play the victim. They always do. Pedophiles go where the kids are, and that's never going to change. Child molesters do not fare well in prison, and I don't care what happens to this creep. Things like this would be less of a problem if people just stopped delegating an important part of their thinking to those claiming to speak for the almighty. Unfortunately, humans are natural born herd animals.
Tribalism is one hell of a drug.
♫♪ When you're a Jet, let them do what they can. / You got brothers around; you're a family man! ♪♫
It's one of the oldest tropes out there, and that's why it's such a bear to overcome.
+++ It is, and I suspect it may be part of our survival strategy as a species. Our puny little ancestors survived by banding together. While cooperation is as important as it ever was, it can have some very undesireable outcomes when religion gets involved.
The trick we have to learn now as a species is to expand who we count as our tribe to include many more of those who are not exactly like us.
Absolutely! Unfortunately, there is an entire industry dedicated to taking people in the opposite direction. I call it the Christo-fascist screech machine.
That's a great name, very evocative.
The issue here is hierarchy and Milgram's 'obedience to authority' problem. The more hierarchical/authoritarian the tribe, the more abuse flows down from the top. Adding more people who don't look/act like us to our tribe does not solve this problem.
Hey, we just want to be loved. Is that so wrong? We’re headed for one tribe national order. A love hate relationship. It seems free love to all, is too expensive.
That's why they are "sheep," and the unchurched are wolves. Yeah, wolves run in packs, but they don't behave the way herd animals do.
Humans are natural born predators that can form giant packs that collectively hunt.
I have an associate that is a retired prison guard and he says that is wishful thinking, they fare no worse than anyone else but it is an urban legend .Unless they are Jeffrey Dahmer.
“we have lost the ability to remain financially viable.”
Thoughts and prayers.
Tots and pears
👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Once again demonstrating, that it never is a drag queen in a library.
It was, however, Mr. Green in the Hall with the Revolver.
Miss Scarlet in the conservatory with a dildo.. wait, wrong game.
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
No. It was Mrs. Peacock in the Study with the Revolver.
Oh come on, Mustard is all over the place.
Hmmm. "Student and teaching pastor."
I guess "youth minister" now has pedophilic nuance these days. Gosh, we sure wouldn't want that now, would we?
Project 2025 in tax trouble according to Farron.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y8yP2EaM0Y
The question is: will the IRS actually DO something about it? Considering their indifference to the Johnson Amendment, I wonder if this has any more ability to stir them up.
The IRS isn't indifferent, it has been hampered by the budget of a film nor detective and legislation that shelters these SOBs. It is the number one, maybe two thing they really hate about Joe Biden--he funded the IRS.
Remember the IRS (under Obama) were investigating the mushrooming of 501c's non-profits? That coincidentally sprung up after the Citizens United decision? They screamed bloody murder, and the republicans managed to cut their funding.
Between the church being named LexCity Church and the picture of a bald guy preaching, I thought somehow DC comics universe had bled into ours and Lex Luthor was running a church.
Y'know, our current reality sure as hell 𝘴𝘦𝘦𝘮𝘴 like one of the DC AUs where Lex won.
Luthor knows real evil when he sees it.
Good! Most churches today are suffering the same issue. People aren’t buying in to their money schemes & political opinions. Make these places community centers to help all, a place for people to gather without the fantasy religious non-sense. Sexual abuse in churches seems more the rule than the exception.
"Sexual abuse in churches seems more the rule than the exception"
so true !!
Pretty much every major sector has a dog in that race.
Shutting down also helps them avoid paying for the crimes happening under their watch. It is good they got rid of him, but it does still seem like a pr move more than a protect the congregation from a predator move.
Student and Teaching Pastor? Check for underage skeletons in that closet.
Student and Teaching Pastor is to Youth pastor like Custodial engineer is to Janitor?
King was grooming children. That thing Christians falsely accuse others of doing.