FFRF's legal bills should be paid by all the board members who chose to litigate, both the original filing and now this ham handed attempt. Too bad it will be the taxpayers who have to foot the bill. And the MAGATs on the board will coast to reelection on the persecution fantasy. "Look at all the money those evil atheists from out if town took from us!"
And yet, here we are. The Christian Nazionalists will push and push and push to do everything they can to eliminate true religious freedom. And attempts to re-litigate cases they lost are straight from Dear Leader's playbook.
These things are a win-win for the religious right. They either get to force their religion on people, or they get to play the poor persecuted victims of the goddess left.
When the Wall of Separation Between Church and State was erected with the enactment of the Constitution, the US population was 3.9 million and Megachurches were unheard of. It is, of course more Dominionist Wak-A-Mole and sooner or later one or another group of them will get one of these cases in front of the 6 corrupt MAGA Supremes. I have no great hope the Wall will stand. If we somehow survive the evil of the tRump era, we are going to need a completely new Constitution to address the gross corruption, malfeasance, and christianist nonsense.
Really. I have this vivid LOTR image of orc armies (mega churches) cutting down trees, destroying things, and gathering underground in my head and no one above has been doing a damn thing about it. These armies are gigantic now and have infiltrated all levers of power.
Christians are always eager to mark their territory by inserting their prayer where ever they can. They seem to believe this somehow makes the world a better place. I would like to see them present some historical basis for this assumption. How many prayers, do you suppose, were offered up during the Holocaust, and to what effect?
I don’t think most Christians have any interest in making the world a better place as they don’t place much (any?) value on this life. It’s just a waiting room for something better to come.
I have grown tired of them. I am coming more and more to believe in a National Divorce. They don't want to live and let live, and I don't want them imposing their will on me. I believe I see a way to pull it off legally and maybe avoid another bloody civil war.
The problem is that is 'extra-constitutional'. The path forward means having the fortitude to call a Constitutional Convention with the specific goal of dividing us into 2 separate nations.
When it actually gets done there won't be a constitution in any meaningful fashion. So do this first and THEN establish a new constitution without these maniacs poisoning the process
Absolutely! In fact, the 2 sides need to write their proposed constitutions before the national referendum calling on the various states to call the convention. They should be out there where people can see what they are voting for.
Sure the religious will put forth a constitution, just not the one that they would actually enact. The religious would lie through their teeth to put a fake constitution forward; when the people vote for “that” constitution, after the religious win then the religious would switch the constitution with the one that the religious truly want to use. I would not trust the religious to tell the truth about their objectives no farther than I could throw them!
That is the only way goddybitch (if it existed) reaches sexual orgasm is by watching humans suffer! The more the person suffers, the more aroused goddybitch gets!
It is a good thing the fucking trio of assholes don’t exist or they would be beating to an inch of their fucking miserable lives (since the trio of fuckwits are able to live forever, the trio would suffer beatings forever) which is a lot less than the hosers deserve!
The food thing really depends upon how observant the owners and/or target market are. People who don’t care about keeping kosher will happily spend money in a kosher deli. But the ones who do care won’t patronize a non-kosher deli.
I remember an anecdote in “From Beirut to Jerusalem” about a non-observant family in Israel serving pork chops at the son’s bar mitzvah dinner because that was his favorite dish. “White steak”.
God can be for whatever cause He wants; if He wants the Chino Valley school board to consider it, He only need make the meeting and ask for presentation time during the community feedback portion of the meeting.
Zealots will be zealots, I guess ... though in THIS case, their zealotry more than likely got them billed for court costs and maybe a fine or three. This repeated attempt to violate the Constitutional sanction against prayer and forced religious expression at school board meetings was old news years ago, and yet the Chino school board persists, probably because they have no financial skin in the game and the fines and court costs will come out of the city's coffers in the end.
THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE. If there were a severe PERSONAL monetary impact on those school board members, this story would likely be VERY different. I genuinely wonder if anyone in Chino would even consider such a thing ... and frankly, I'm dubious.
A planer would lessen the need for Planned Parenthood. "Planer delivers unmatched depth control and powerful stock removal for quick and precise material removal on soft or hard woods."
Doesn’t anyone normal run for school board in Chino Valley? I’ve never heard of voting biblically either. Assuming it means your pastor gets to buy your vote. 🙄
Since the board keeps losing, people should take that as a sign to vote them out next time and vote in people who actually give a shit about Chino’s schools.
I expect many normal folk do. But it sounds like the church has a bit of a lock on local elections. 8,000 voting members when the county regularly sees only 11,000 total votes in local races means they're going to win any time they put up a candidate and the congregation supports that person.
It's basically the "corporate town" problem, only the corporation here is the church.
Gov. Bob Martinez (Florida, 1987-1991) once famously declared Tallahassee a "company town" for the GOP in order to defend what was then considered flagrant nepotism by the GOP. Now, it's the christian nationalists who own the soul of city/state government.
They DO care. They care about keeping women barefoot and pregnant. They care about total control over everyone's lives. They need their church steeples up their assholes.
Waaaaaaay before this "voting biblically" shit was said out loud, there were "Christian Voting Guides" available on a table in the vestibule of our church (also published in our local newspaper). They would be mentioned in passing during the service, and anybody who wanted one was encouraged to help themselves. (This was about the time of middle school for me, so perhaps the mid to late 70's.) During my high school years I was already overhearing snippets of conversation about "stealth campaigns" (where one ran for local office without mentioning anything about one's religious agenda) to take over local school boards and town councils.
This shit has been going on in small religious towns since Jesus was a corporal. Now that it's out in the open, they don't give a damn about being coy. They think they've already been handed a victory because they don't have to hide it anymore, and "gawd is on OUR side!"
They're naming a new national Youth Pastor training facility after Charlie Kirk, funded by the Trump administration with funds from CDC budget cuts. It's called
Federal Universal-Charlie Kirk Youth Organizational University.
All the taxpayers should not be responsible. They need to show the connection to the church and make the church pay because ALL of the members of that church are complicit.
Usually I would agree, but in this case there is big overlap between the two "Getting the blessing of the giant church, which says it has 8,000 registered voters, matters in the Chino Valley school district, where the highest vote-getter in the [recent] board election received 11,341 votes"
Same thing could be said if Yahweh (or any other god) is omniscient. Omniscience obviates free will (presuming it exists at all [and that is debatable!]). Of course, there are those hotshots out there who run with the: "God knows what you are going to pray BEFORE you pray, but he wants to to pray anyway."
Hope FFRF wins. All of these board members should be personally liable. Economic pain is the only way to make zealots pay attention.
FFRF's legal bills should be paid by all the board members who chose to litigate, both the original filing and now this ham handed attempt. Too bad it will be the taxpayers who have to foot the bill. And the MAGATs on the board will coast to reelection on the persecution fantasy. "Look at all the money those evil atheists from out if town took from us!"
The taxpayers are the ones who elected those theocrats, hurt them enough financially and perhaps they'll learn to vote better.
I’m not optimistic about that.
𝑌𝑜𝑢 𝑑𝑜𝑛’𝑡 𝑔𝑒𝑡 𝑡𝑜 𝑟𝑒-𝑙𝑖𝑡𝑖𝑔𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝑎 𝑐𝑎𝑠𝑒 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑙𝑜𝑠𝑡 𝑗𝑢𝑠𝑡 𝑏𝑒𝑐𝑎𝑢𝑠𝑒 𝑦𝑜𝑢’𝑟𝑒 𝑠𝑜𝑟𝑒 𝑙𝑜𝑠𝑒𝑟𝑠.
And yet, here we are. The Christian Nazionalists will push and push and push to do everything they can to eliminate true religious freedom. And attempts to re-litigate cases they lost are straight from Dear Leader's playbook.
These things are a win-win for the religious right. They either get to force their religion on people, or they get to play the poor persecuted victims of the goddess left.
Left is my favorite goddess. Bitch, though, to be sure.
Remember Roe v. Wade? Yeah, those were better times......
When the Wall of Separation Between Church and State was erected with the enactment of the Constitution, the US population was 3.9 million and Megachurches were unheard of. It is, of course more Dominionist Wak-A-Mole and sooner or later one or another group of them will get one of these cases in front of the 6 corrupt MAGA Supremes. I have no great hope the Wall will stand. If we somehow survive the evil of the tRump era, we are going to need a completely new Constitution to address the gross corruption, malfeasance, and christianist nonsense.
Really. I have this vivid LOTR image of orc armies (mega churches) cutting down trees, destroying things, and gathering underground in my head and no one above has been doing a damn thing about it. These armies are gigantic now and have infiltrated all levers of power.
Happy Halloween 🎃
An appropriately scary message.
😂
Christians are always eager to mark their territory by inserting their prayer where ever they can. They seem to believe this somehow makes the world a better place. I would like to see them present some historical basis for this assumption. How many prayers, do you suppose, were offered up during the Holocaust, and to what effect?
I don’t think most Christians have any interest in making the world a better place as they don’t place much (any?) value on this life. It’s just a waiting room for something better to come.
Nope. They simply want to rule.
They want to rule because they don't know how to govern.
That's their problem. Unfortunately, they want to make it our problem too.
Exactly. Now it’s our problem too and that’s unacceptable.
Armageddon real sick of these Bible thumping aholes!
I have grown tired of them. I am coming more and more to believe in a National Divorce. They don't want to live and let live, and I don't want them imposing their will on me. I believe I see a way to pull it off legally and maybe avoid another bloody civil war.
Exile the magats to Texass. Evacuate non magats. Expel Texass from the union.
You're painting with a very broad brush there. Two of the five biggest cities in the country are in Texas, and they both tilt blue.
I said evacuate non magats.
The problem is that is 'extra-constitutional'. The path forward means having the fortitude to call a Constitutional Convention with the specific goal of dividing us into 2 separate nations.
When it actually gets done there won't be a constitution in any meaningful fashion. So do this first and THEN establish a new constitution without these maniacs poisoning the process
Absolutely! In fact, the 2 sides need to write their proposed constitutions before the national referendum calling on the various states to call the convention. They should be out there where people can see what they are voting for.
Sure the religious will put forth a constitution, just not the one that they would actually enact. The religious would lie through their teeth to put a fake constitution forward; when the people vote for “that” constitution, after the religious win then the religious would switch the constitution with the one that the religious truly want to use. I would not trust the religious to tell the truth about their objectives no farther than I could throw them!
Well, since when has "extra-constitutional" or even "UN-constitutional"mattered to the god-bothering crowd?
The trick is to get State Television to propagandize them into believing they are better off without us.
Then build a wall around it...
I would send them to planet Venus, they can colonize it.
School board wins the case at the supreme court.
School board opens the next meeting with a prayer.
God appears and smites them for wearing mixed fabrics.
San Bernardino High wins football championship, and takes the cheerleaders of Chino Valley as war brides.
San Bernardino High then salts the football field.
Chino Valley then wanders the desert for 40 years.
Chino Valley then regains the favor of God, by sacrificing the daughters .
Chino Valley then invades San Bernardino High and kills all the males. They offer the foreskins of the fallen enemies as a burnt offering to God.
The burnt offering opens the seals of heaven and the four horseman begin the apocalypse.
Robot Justice Roberts then claims that religious freedom has prevailed.
"takes the cheerleaders of Chino Valley as war brides."
But only those who have not known man.
That might be problematic these days.
Soooooo, maybe the one "technical virgin."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8ZF_R_j0OY
I only see one problem with this otherwise sensible and logical scenario.
"God appears". Not going to happen.
Some cheerleaders are guys, you know.
ETA:
I really should have read the next 2 comments before opening my yap.
😁
There something wrong with your list. Girls wouldn't be allowed near a school so the cheerleaders would be males 😁
In the dark, does it matter?
god will not be happy if there is no babies after the kidnappings and rapes.
god is NEVER happy unless it is causing harm to people.
That is the only way goddybitch (if it existed) reaches sexual orgasm is by watching humans suffer! The more the person suffers, the more aroused goddybitch gets!
It is a good thing the fucking trio of assholes don’t exist or they would be beating to an inch of their fucking miserable lives (since the trio of fuckwits are able to live forever, the trio would suffer beatings forever) which is a lot less than the hosers deserve!
And Eunuchs.
"VOTE BIBLICALLY"
I'm unaware of any democracy in the bible.
"GOD IS FOR NATURAL MARRIAGE"
When did Adam and Eve get married?
"GOD IS FOR THE PRE-BORN BABY"
Ever actually read your bible, Hibbs? Nowhere in the bible is abortion forbidden. Indeed, it is practiced by its god, his soldiers and his priests.
"GOD IS FOR ISRAEL"
How many times did your god turn his back on the Israelites in your bible, Hibbs?
And last time I checked Israel and USA were 2 different countries. I wonder if eating a cheeseburger* is possible in Israel.
* The two times I ate in a Jewish restaurant, only soy or other plant based milk were available.
I’d also like to point out to Hibbs that his Jesus came to save the Chosen People, not Gentiles like him. To Jesus, Hibbs is a dog.
It's ok, Saul the tardigrade rectified Jesus' mistake.
One fictional character “correcting” another fictional character.
The bible takes place in Wackyland.
Hey ! How can you prove there wasn't a tardigrade named Saul at that time ?
Gentiles = infidels. Same shit, different book.
The food thing really depends upon how observant the owners and/or target market are. People who don’t care about keeping kosher will happily spend money in a kosher deli. But the ones who do care won’t patronize a non-kosher deli.
I remember an anecdote in “From Beirut to Jerusalem” about a non-observant family in Israel serving pork chops at the son’s bar mitzvah dinner because that was his favorite dish. “White steak”.
https://www.amazon.com/Beirut-Jerusalem-Thomas-L-Friedman/dp/1250034418
Anybody want to mention Numbers, 5:11-31 to Hibbsy? Hell of it is, he probably knows about it but wants to dismiss it as an anachronism or some such.
Not just Numbers, but Hosea 13:16. YHVHs soldiers going Old Testament on pregnant women.
A major branch of Christian theology is unapologetically called "Apologetics". He would come up with some kind of excuse.
God can be for whatever cause He wants; if He wants the Chino Valley school board to consider it, He only need make the meeting and ask for presentation time during the community feedback portion of the meeting.
No matter how many times this point is hammered home, they still don't get it. Or dismiss it as an inconvenience.
BTW, is Seattle experiencing Mariner mania?
Well, I had answer here, but it vanished. Let's try again
I see jerseys, hats, t-shirts etc. everywhere I go. 😃⚾
Jack Hibbs is also the guy who kept holding church services during COVID and demanding attendees remove their masks, so you know he's very pro-life.
He's not the first "holy" man who sold out long ago for power and his own little fiefdom, but he is a particularly obnoxious one.
Zealots will be zealots, I guess ... though in THIS case, their zealotry more than likely got them billed for court costs and maybe a fine or three. This repeated attempt to violate the Constitutional sanction against prayer and forced religious expression at school board meetings was old news years ago, and yet the Chino school board persists, probably because they have no financial skin in the game and the fines and court costs will come out of the city's coffers in the end.
THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE. If there were a severe PERSONAL monetary impact on those school board members, this story would likely be VERY different. I genuinely wonder if anyone in Chino would even consider such a thing ... and frankly, I'm dubious.
OT-ish
As someone who makes a great deal of typos every day, I feel guilty pointing out that Hemant typed "Planed Parenthoood."
Hope he doesn't ban me for bringing it up. :)
Maybe he is referencing a type of parenthood where the children and parents live in two different dimensions.
Bi-plane, mono-plane, or just plane silly? 😁
Or maybe like planed wood, using a planar. Like keeping the belly flat. If that is what the pregnant person chooses.
Are you just plane around here? 😁😉
This thread has gone flat.
A planer would lessen the need for Planned Parenthood. "Planer delivers unmatched depth control and powerful stock removal for quick and precise material removal on soft or hard woods."
Hoo-Dat?
Given the way they have treated me in the past? Fuck the assholes. A razor wire dildo up the ass is all they deserve.
Doesn’t anyone normal run for school board in Chino Valley? I’ve never heard of voting biblically either. Assuming it means your pastor gets to buy your vote. 🙄
Since the board keeps losing, people should take that as a sign to vote them out next time and vote in people who actually give a shit about Chino’s schools.
I expect many normal folk do. But it sounds like the church has a bit of a lock on local elections. 8,000 voting members when the county regularly sees only 11,000 total votes in local races means they're going to win any time they put up a candidate and the congregation supports that person.
It's basically the "corporate town" problem, only the corporation here is the church.
Ah, yes. Instead of the company store owning their souls, it’s the church.
And that's a hell of a lot worse.
Gov. Bob Martinez (Florida, 1987-1991) once famously declared Tallahassee a "company town" for the GOP in order to defend what was then considered flagrant nepotism by the GOP. Now, it's the christian nationalists who own the soul of city/state government.
They DO care. They care about keeping women barefoot and pregnant. They care about total control over everyone's lives. They need their church steeples up their assholes.
Waaaaaaay before this "voting biblically" shit was said out loud, there were "Christian Voting Guides" available on a table in the vestibule of our church (also published in our local newspaper). They would be mentioned in passing during the service, and anybody who wanted one was encouraged to help themselves. (This was about the time of middle school for me, so perhaps the mid to late 70's.) During my high school years I was already overhearing snippets of conversation about "stealth campaigns" (where one ran for local office without mentioning anything about one's religious agenda) to take over local school boards and town councils.
This shit has been going on in small religious towns since Jesus was a corporal. Now that it's out in the open, they don't give a damn about being coy. They think they've already been handed a victory because they don't have to hide it anymore, and "gawd is on OUR side!"
I shouldn’t be surprised but it’s galling to think there’s a “Christian way” to vote. Fuck those guys.
I would say OT but xtians are the most immoral people ever.
One of Charlie Kirk’s buddies.
Former Elkins Pastor Facing Felony Child Porn Charge
https://www.theintelligencer.net/news/community/2025/10/former-elkins-pastor-facing-felony-child-porn-charge/
They're naming a new national Youth Pastor training facility after Charlie Kirk, funded by the Trump administration with funds from CDC budget cuts. It's called
Federal Universal-Charlie Kirk Youth Organizational University.
A training facility for pedophiles.
Or Trump’ youth corp, with Kyle Rittenhouse as a trainer and role model. I really felt sick typing that!
Please tell me you made at least part of that up.
FUCK YOU? MAGA do acronyms, but they don't do humor.
The Chino Board should stomp their feet and hold their breath until they get their way.
They are. They’re just doing it through the legal system (and failing miserably at it).
I'm talking literal not figurative.
Me too. :)
Gays Against Groomers
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gays_Against_Groomers
GAG. How appropriate. And we are aware of who the real groomers are. It's not LGBTQs (unless they are self-hating ones).
All the taxpayers should not be responsible. They need to show the connection to the church and make the church pay because ALL of the members of that church are complicit.
Usually I would agree, but in this case there is big overlap between the two "Getting the blessing of the giant church, which says it has 8,000 registered voters, matters in the Chino Valley school district, where the highest vote-getter in the [recent] board election received 11,341 votes"
https://ibb.co/P2c06pw
St. George (Carlin) illustrated this in his "You Are All Diseased" routine.
Same thing could be said if Yahweh (or any other god) is omniscient. Omniscience obviates free will (presuming it exists at all [and that is debatable!]). Of course, there are those hotshots out there who run with the: "God knows what you are going to pray BEFORE you pray, but he wants to to pray anyway."
In other words, boot-licking. 😝