That is exactly the strategy. These school districts in Texas and Arkansas are caught in a proverbial Catch-22: stand back and do nothing, and the posters remain; fight back, and there is a chance that it heads to the Supreme Court.
There has been a feeling on the Right since Trump was elected that they're able to do things they were prohibited from doing before. In my lifetime, I can't remember a point in history when people of a political party felt like the election of their candidate gave them carte blanche. There was a bit of that under George W., but not to this extent.
60 years. The "Southern Strategy" was the beginning of the push to gain the undeserved power they have now. The interchangeable aryan talking heads just accelerated the process.
Closest analogy I can think of is when Kennedy was assassinated in the middle of civil rights era, Johnson took over, and segregationists started fighting back harder because they figured he was a "good 'ol boy" and that if they got his attention, he'll move away from Kennedy's policies.
Unfortunately for them, Johnson seemed to have felt deeply that he needed to finish out Kennedy's term honoring Kennedy's promises and policies, regardless of what his personal position might have been. But also, it turned out that his time growing up amongst southern white racists meant that he understood them...but did not mean he agreed with them.
Anyway, your first line is exactly what's going on. All these states and districts are passing blatantly unconstitutional laws because they think if they can just grab the attention of Trump and SCOTUS, those authorities will make their rules legal. Trump would probably like to just because he loves the attention and right-wing adulation. Thomas and Alito might because they are so religiously right-wing. But I'm not sure that even on this court, there are 5 justices that would agree to 10C posters and the like.
There was another VP named Johnson that succeeded a trustworthy, Constitution loving POTUS. That was Andrew Johnson, who after Lincoln’s death, turned a Civil War loss by the South into a horrible lost opportunity for our government to improve our nation’s humanity.
If things continue as they are (oh geez) our best chance of some semblance of a democracy will be in 2026, when we banish those traitorous ingrates from the right with new House and Senate leadership. Only by the Republicons controlling all 3 branches of government can this coup survive. That’s why Shitler has ordered Wheels Abbott to gerrymander his pasty white ass off in Texas.
Our government is so far off the rails it will take a revolution to fix it.
These things are always a win-win for the religious right. They either get to force their religion into the public schools paid for with everyone's tax dollars, or they get to play the poor persecuted victims of the godless left. I suspect it's that second outcome that results in bringing in the most money. In any event, these efforts are a tacit admission on the part of organized religion that they cannot survive if they are not allowed to indoctrinate children before they reach the age of reason.
They desperately want to get one of these suits in front of this SCOTUS. They think this Court will just bulldoze down the remains of the Wall of Separation. They may be right.
“Those who would renegotiate the boundaries between church and state must therefore answer a difficult question: why would we trade a system that has served us so well for one that has served others so poorly?” -- Sandra Day O'Connor
The MAGAS believe that they are god’s chosen people and are destined to rule the world. In their (MAGAS) mind a true Christian nationalist is white (European descent), heterosexual (men/women genders only), Christian (evangelical, but other Protestant sect are acceptable), conservative (fascist), republican (Trump supporter).
The rednecks think that they and only they have Human Rights and Civil Liberties, so they should rule by default for the reasons stated above. The rest of us are considered by the rednecks as servant and/or slaves to be used, abused, or killed on a whim without any consequences.
This is the attitude/worldview that the Christian Nationalists have towards non MAGAS and the world at large!
As an Arkansawyer, I done agree with this here judge. Them commandments have contain an awful evil in them. Numbers. We ain't need no number in our here school. Numbers done lead to maths. Maths done lead to Satan. And we ain't going stand for that. I done didn't marry my cousin-sister just to have my daughter-neice fall into the grips of Satan!
What a weak, powerless deity these christers grovel to. It needs posters put up by humans instead of showing itself. You’d think an all powerful being could make its presence known.
Funny how YHVH was all over the Old Testament, barking out orders and smiting people. Then when Jesus and the New Testament came along the Big Guy suddendly became virtually mute and hasn't been heard from since.
Just an observation.
(Maybe it was a Mafia thing and Jesus decided take out his old man. "It's nuttin' poisonal, pop. It's just business")
This deity forces his adherents to believe in him by prayer. He rewards them by never showing himself, and random acts of luck that coincidentally have exactly the same probability as chance. This deity allegedly wrote a book with fables about life on planet earth.
The stronger the belief, the bigger the delusion said deity is real.
There was a time when when the courts placed an injunction against something like this, it applied to all, but now the corrupt SCROTUS has made rulings that kneecap the courts and keep rulings from having any teeth. Federal court rulings only affect the state the court is in, rather than all states on a FEDERAL level. Moronic. But it is logical that when there is a challenge to the legality of a government entity doing something, and the court says don’t do this thing until the legality is determined, it would be effective across the board and not only to the few entities involved in the case. If it’s illegal, it’s illegal for everyone, not just a few. Idiotic.
I hope these district administrators and board members lose their positions here, they’re obviously incompetent.
In the past (and I'm thinking specifically of Kitzmiller), districts and states which were not part of the suit but considering a similar idea would pay attention to another district's legal result and say "oh, we're not going to bother trying that now, because it would cost a lot and our end result would likely be the same failure they experienced." IOW, the conservaties in charge of the next county over might personally dislike some ruling, but they were pragmatic about their leadership.
But now they bother, because conservatives today will happily waste taxpayer dollars on useless lawsuits just to get themselves some anger votes. Its far more about the clicks than good governance.
At a time when two branches of our government are basically either acting in a lawless or a collusional attitude, it's refreshing to see that the judiciary, at least in places, is attempting to hold up the rule of law. This is especially encouraging as regards the tenuous wall between State and Church.
I really needed some good news this morning. Thanks, Hemant!
Agree. It’s looking bad out there. It’s hard to feel like stopping these folks from “advertising” is a win when scientists and doctors are fleeing the country for greener pastures and we plunge into every kind of manmade crisis imaginable.
I think we might see in the next decade if a first world country can become a third world area.
I think it depends if the USA can stay together. If it does, things will muddle through. If not, I can see some states becoming impoverished. The irony being they are likely to be GOP dominated states.
Just like here in the UK with Brexit, individual states might find their economic power much reduced.
But the Supreme Court is compromised too. I think the founders never expected a man like Trump to get anywhere near the White House. He is picking apart all the weak points of the Constitution.
It too bad that fucking bitch Mary (Joseph wife) didn’t have a goddamm fucking abortion; we wouldn’t be dealing with all the fucking goddamm batshit Christian bullshit now! If any of these characters actually existed of course!
The 4ᵗʰ century MRGA¹ assholes would have taken another mythical figure (Mithras, Sol Invictus, or some other now forgotten name) to grab absolute power.
Mithras (a Persian god), Sol Invictus (Helios), etc, wouldn’t object to people worshipping others gods as long as you also worshiped him. The Abrahamic god seem very possessive (like a jealous boyfriend/husband) that he needs to give permission to do things or needs know everything you do.
If that were two humans acting like that; we would not call that love, but abusive behaviour. Yet, when it comes to goddybitch/jeezyboy/flying rat we are to accept it as love not abuse. If that is not a symptom of insanity, I have no idea what symptoms for insanity are!
"... wouldn’t object to people worshipping others gods as long as you also worshiped him"
The priests who created those gods will change them whenever they feel a need to do it. See also how preachers have transformed the sermon-of-the-mount jesus into republican jesus.
Constantine hesitated on what part of the empire needed reassurance. He chooses the west part. Christianity being solidly implanted in Gaule, he converted to this religion.
I actually kind of admire Mary for being able to put one over on her parents by saying "No, no, no, it wasn't Joe and me doing the dirty, it was Yahweh himself!". Hey, it worked, didn't it?
This activist judge will be personally held responsible whenever a school shooting happens in one of the districts where he ordered the removal of these 10C posters. /s
It seems strange that in these cases it is never mentioned that there are 3 different versions of the Ten Commandments in the OT and right after the first one are the rules that allow people to own, beat and pass on to their kids: SLAVES. It also has different rules for Israeli slaves, you can only keep them for 6 years.
First and foremost, no way do I believe that Sarah Huckleberry, Queen of Arkansas Fashion, would ever allow something so completely unconstitutional to ever occur. Secondly, there are actual Razorbacks that are smarter than Mike Huckleberry’s daughter.
Are you Jewish? Are any of your fellow Christians Jewish? How about the vast majority of kids in the Conway School District? No? Then the 10 Commandments don't apply to you or them.
11. Thou shall not use pineapple when preparing a pizza.
12. Thou shall never add milk or sugar or any other abomination to your coffee.
13. Thou shall never use the name football for a team sport unless it is played with a round ball.
14. Thou shall divide the scale between the melting point and the cooking point of water in hundred equal parts and make it start at zero for the melting point and make it go upward until it reaches one hundred for the cooking point.
15. Thou shall never leave your children alone under the guard of a priest.
"The Constitution doesn’t bend to their faith, and neither will the courts."
The top court might and that's really what their shooting for.
That is exactly the strategy. These school districts in Texas and Arkansas are caught in a proverbial Catch-22: stand back and do nothing, and the posters remain; fight back, and there is a chance that it heads to the Supreme Court.
Thou shalt not post the 10 Commandments.
Thou shalt not post the wrong commandments.
Thou shalt laugh uproariously at the true Ten Commandments.
Is that my cue?
I still have never seethed a kid in its mother's milk.
[Bows to tumultuous audience applause. Oh well, perhaps next time.]
Thou shalt also not fuck with the Constitution!
There has been a feeling on the Right since Trump was elected that they're able to do things they were prohibited from doing before. In my lifetime, I can't remember a point in history when people of a political party felt like the election of their candidate gave them carte blanche. There was a bit of that under George W., but not to this extent.
My daughter teaches in Conway, and I was very proud when she told me that she never put up the unconstitutional poster in the first place.
Send her our thanks!
"Lock her up! Lock her up!"
29 years of Faux Snooze telling the rethugs that they are the only people who get to govern.
60 years. The "Southern Strategy" was the beginning of the push to gain the undeserved power they have now. The interchangeable aryan talking heads just accelerated the process.
True enough!
We live in an authoritarian state now. Russia 2.0
Closest analogy I can think of is when Kennedy was assassinated in the middle of civil rights era, Johnson took over, and segregationists started fighting back harder because they figured he was a "good 'ol boy" and that if they got his attention, he'll move away from Kennedy's policies.
Unfortunately for them, Johnson seemed to have felt deeply that he needed to finish out Kennedy's term honoring Kennedy's promises and policies, regardless of what his personal position might have been. But also, it turned out that his time growing up amongst southern white racists meant that he understood them...but did not mean he agreed with them.
Anyway, your first line is exactly what's going on. All these states and districts are passing blatantly unconstitutional laws because they think if they can just grab the attention of Trump and SCOTUS, those authorities will make their rules legal. Trump would probably like to just because he loves the attention and right-wing adulation. Thomas and Alito might because they are so religiously right-wing. But I'm not sure that even on this court, there are 5 justices that would agree to 10C posters and the like.
There was another VP named Johnson that succeeded a trustworthy, Constitution loving POTUS. That was Andrew Johnson, who after Lincoln’s death, turned a Civil War loss by the South into a horrible lost opportunity for our government to improve our nation’s humanity.
If things continue as they are (oh geez) our best chance of some semblance of a democracy will be in 2026, when we banish those traitorous ingrates from the right with new House and Senate leadership. Only by the Republicons controlling all 3 branches of government can this coup survive. That’s why Shitler has ordered Wheels Abbott to gerrymander his pasty white ass off in Texas.
Our government is so far off the rails it will take a revolution to fix it.
These things are always a win-win for the religious right. They either get to force their religion into the public schools paid for with everyone's tax dollars, or they get to play the poor persecuted victims of the godless left. I suspect it's that second outcome that results in bringing in the most money. In any event, these efforts are a tacit admission on the part of organized religion that they cannot survive if they are not allowed to indoctrinate children before they reach the age of reason.
They desperately want to get one of these suits in front of this SCOTUS. They think this Court will just bulldoze down the remains of the Wall of Separation. They may be right.
“Those who would renegotiate the boundaries between church and state must therefore answer a difficult question: why would we trade a system that has served us so well for one that has served others so poorly?” -- Sandra Day O'Connor
She was a woman - this Court would just say she didn't know her place.
If that's the case, how long is it going to be before Amy Coney Barrett gets told to leave the court and get barefoot and pregnant?
If her husband told her to resign, she would have to, with they batshit rules they follow.
They have a supermajority, so really, she is irrelevant.
The MAGAS believe that they are god’s chosen people and are destined to rule the world. In their (MAGAS) mind a true Christian nationalist is white (European descent), heterosexual (men/women genders only), Christian (evangelical, but other Protestant sect are acceptable), conservative (fascist), republican (Trump supporter).
The rednecks think that they and only they have Human Rights and Civil Liberties, so they should rule by default for the reasons stated above. The rest of us are considered by the rednecks as servant and/or slaves to be used, abused, or killed on a whim without any consequences.
This is the attitude/worldview that the Christian Nationalists have towards non MAGAS and the world at large!
Because we would do it right.
Not just yeah but HELL YEAH!!!
“Indoctrinate” being the operative word.
Their God is fake.
But their collective delusion is real.
As an Arkansawyer, I done agree with this here judge. Them commandments have contain an awful evil in them. Numbers. We ain't need no number in our here school. Numbers done lead to maths. Maths done lead to Satan. And we ain't going stand for that. I done didn't marry my cousin-sister just to have my daughter-neice fall into the grips of Satan!
The only good numbers are those in GOP voters bank accounts.
G卐P 𝘥𝘰𝘯𝘰𝘳𝘴 bank accounts.
FIFY
👍👍
And, don't forget. those are Arabic numbers or worse, Roman numbers not good, Biblical, American numbers.
Sorry, I can't do the accent.
What a weak, powerless deity these christers grovel to. It needs posters put up by humans instead of showing itself. You’d think an all powerful being could make its presence known.
Miracles, how do they work? I’d say it’s about time ol’ Jeebus threw a few our way, no?
https://preview.redd.it/seriously-though-does-anyone-actually-know-can-you-do-v0-2x3q8da225mc1.png?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=c723f4cfe5639fda279e60aacd404ed3bad3e49b
Magnets are Satan's playground.
What are you taking about? Fifteen Major League baseball teams won their games this week.
Funny how YHVH was all over the Old Testament, barking out orders and smiting people. Then when Jesus and the New Testament came along the Big Guy suddendly became virtually mute and hasn't been heard from since.
Just an observation.
(Maybe it was a Mafia thing and Jesus decided take out his old man. "It's nuttin' poisonal, pop. It's just business")
Don't tell that to Benjamin Netanyahoo.
The war criminal? He's damn lucky he isn't sitting in prison.
If he's ever booted, he can expect a long stay at a big grey hotel. Preferably for the rest of his miserable existence.
He'll have plenty of time to talk with all the gods: Yahweh, Allah and Jeezis.
It'll be a rather one-sided chat.
This deity forces his adherents to believe in him by prayer. He rewards them by never showing himself, and random acts of luck that coincidentally have exactly the same probability as chance. This deity allegedly wrote a book with fables about life on planet earth.
The stronger the belief, the bigger the delusion said deity is real.
They tell us that these laws are written on our conscience. Obviously they don't believe it.
It's obviously written in a language no one understands.
Ten Commandments have no place in public schools 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
Or even in churches. They are rules meant only for the ancient Israelites and not for Gentiles.
There was a time when when the courts placed an injunction against something like this, it applied to all, but now the corrupt SCROTUS has made rulings that kneecap the courts and keep rulings from having any teeth. Federal court rulings only affect the state the court is in, rather than all states on a FEDERAL level. Moronic. But it is logical that when there is a challenge to the legality of a government entity doing something, and the court says don’t do this thing until the legality is determined, it would be effective across the board and not only to the few entities involved in the case. If it’s illegal, it’s illegal for everyone, not just a few. Idiotic.
I hope these district administrators and board members lose their positions here, they’re obviously incompetent.
Not quite correct, I think.
In the past (and I'm thinking specifically of Kitzmiller), districts and states which were not part of the suit but considering a similar idea would pay attention to another district's legal result and say "oh, we're not going to bother trying that now, because it would cost a lot and our end result would likely be the same failure they experienced." IOW, the conservaties in charge of the next county over might personally dislike some ruling, but they were pragmatic about their leadership.
But now they bother, because conservatives today will happily waste taxpayer dollars on useless lawsuits just to get themselves some anger votes. Its far more about the clicks than good governance.
At a time when two branches of our government are basically either acting in a lawless or a collusional attitude, it's refreshing to see that the judiciary, at least in places, is attempting to hold up the rule of law. This is especially encouraging as regards the tenuous wall between State and Church.
I really needed some good news this morning. Thanks, Hemant!
Agree. It’s looking bad out there. It’s hard to feel like stopping these folks from “advertising” is a win when scientists and doctors are fleeing the country for greener pastures and we plunge into every kind of manmade crisis imaginable.
I think we might see in the next decade if a first world country can become a third world area.
I think it depends if the USA can stay together. If it does, things will muddle through. If not, I can see some states becoming impoverished. The irony being they are likely to be GOP dominated states.
Just like here in the UK with Brexit, individual states might find their economic power much reduced.
But the Supreme Court is compromised too. I think the founders never expected a man like Trump to get anywhere near the White House. He is picking apart all the weak points of the Constitution.
Doesn't stop this being good news.
FAFO.
Good for the judge.
Now post something more important...the Beatitudes. Aside from making Jesus a Socialist, they are just plain good advice.
Only Republican Jesus is allowed in the US of A-holes now. Someone nail up that damn hippy they call Socialist Jesus!
It too bad that fucking bitch Mary (Joseph wife) didn’t have a goddamm fucking abortion; we wouldn’t be dealing with all the fucking goddamm batshit Christian bullshit now! If any of these characters actually existed of course!
The 4ᵗʰ century MRGA¹ assholes would have taken another mythical figure (Mithras, Sol Invictus, or some other now forgotten name) to grab absolute power.
1. Make Rome Great Again.
Mithras (a Persian god), Sol Invictus (Helios), etc, wouldn’t object to people worshipping others gods as long as you also worshiped him. The Abrahamic god seem very possessive (like a jealous boyfriend/husband) that he needs to give permission to do things or needs know everything you do.
If that were two humans acting like that; we would not call that love, but abusive behaviour. Yet, when it comes to goddybitch/jeezyboy/flying rat we are to accept it as love not abuse. If that is not a symptom of insanity, I have no idea what symptoms for insanity are!
"... wouldn’t object to people worshipping others gods as long as you also worshiped him"
The priests who created those gods will change them whenever they feel a need to do it. See also how preachers have transformed the sermon-of-the-mount jesus into republican jesus.
Constantine hesitated on what part of the empire needed reassurance. He chooses the west part. Christianity being solidly implanted in Gaule, he converted to this religion.
I actually kind of admire Mary for being able to put one over on her parents by saying "No, no, no, it wasn't Joe and me doing the dirty, it was Yahweh himself!". Hey, it worked, didn't it?
That’s the Jesus who wears a MAGA hat, crossed bandoliers, and carries an AR-15.
Murika!
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/df2fe321da4fa6e013aaec82d9bdd510acb553439ec552c0b9b034ea71bbc556.jpg
Banal drivel.
Yeah, it’s just bloviating by politicians. Playing to their base.
This activist judge will be personally held responsible whenever a school shooting happens in one of the districts where he ordered the removal of these 10C posters. /s
It seems strange that in these cases it is never mentioned that there are 3 different versions of the Ten Commandments in the OT and right after the first one are the rules that allow people to own, beat and pass on to their kids: SLAVES. It also has different rules for Israeli slaves, you can only keep them for 6 years.
First and foremost, no way do I believe that Sarah Huckleberry, Queen of Arkansas Fashion, would ever allow something so completely unconstitutional to ever occur. Secondly, there are actual Razorbacks that are smarter than Mike Huckleberry’s daughter.
Slanders Sanders.
The Fugly Guv.
The Huckabeast
It would be hilarious if the judge ordered that the 10 commandments can go up, but only in Arabic.
Or the original Aramaic.
To Trip Leech...er, Leach...
Are you Jewish? Are any of your fellow Christians Jewish? How about the vast majority of kids in the Conway School District? No? Then the 10 Commandments don't apply to you or them.
Yeah, the Ten Commandments are more Don Rickles than Billy Graham! *smiles*
https://youtu.be/I48hr8HhDv0
Would be interested to know what those other 5 commandments were 😂
11. Thou shall not use pineapple when preparing a pizza.
12. Thou shall never add milk or sugar or any other abomination to your coffee.
13. Thou shall never use the name football for a team sport unless it is played with a round ball.
14. Thou shall divide the scale between the melting point and the cooking point of water in hundred equal parts and make it start at zero for the melting point and make it go upward until it reaches one hundred for the cooking point.
15. Thou shall never leave your children alone under the guard of a priest.
Heretic !
11 is Thou shall always put pineapple on a pizza 😋
Ah, the voice of the great Orson Welles. His payment request for doing the narration from Mel Brooks was a box of cigars (seriously).