Sniff, sniff - I detect the stench of 7 Mountains Dominionism somewhere here abouts... There is just no place in the public sphere these guys won't try to shove their religion on everyone else.
I can’t be absolutely sure, but this crap doesn’t go on in AUSTRALIA (YET!)
Your country has a serious lot of work to do to turn itself around into a sane world.
The CONSTITUTION has obviously not delivered the goods since it was put in place so many years ago.
And it really pisses me off to hear 95% of every person and institution automatically always referring to China as the ENEMY. What brainwashing have you all been subjected to. If China is an enemy of the USA, then it is wholly the fault of the USA.
Here endeth the lesson JIM 14:7
Here is an Australian article that many of you are likely to find an interesting read …
By John Menadue
For 35 years after Vietnam, we had a self-reliant defence policy. We need it again
I cannot argue with you. Our Constitution was written to try to forestall what has happened, but it has no teeth. It is utterly dependent on people of good will and wisdom adhering to norms. tRump - a NY mob boss was elected by a tiny plurality and has set about to destroy the Constitutional Republic.
Kenneth Alfred Ham is an Australian Christian fundamentalist, young Earth creationist, apologist and former science teacher, living in the United States. He is the founder, CEO, and former president of Answers in Genesis, a Christian apologetics organisation that operates the Creation Museum and the Ark Encounter. Wikipedia
Born: 20 October 1951 (age 73 years), Cairns
Title: Founder, CEO
Education: QUT Gardens Point Campus, The University of Queensland
Spouse: Marylin Ham (m. 1972)
Parents: Mervyn Ham
Comment from South Australia :
Ken Ham was not just born in our 'White Shoe Brigade' State of Queensland , but he also comes from our 'DEEP NORTH' but.
WOAH ! Very scary. They all add 'but' to the end of every one of their spoken sentences. They are all tropically affected. Well, nearly all.
Thanks for the link that was a very enlightening article. Also, below re: Ken Ham may be Aussie but he had to come to the good 'ol US of A to let his sinister "Christian" freak flag fly where he knew he could score on the hateful grift that Christianity is.
Hey, if that kid wants to put John 14:6 on their jersey, can I put Ezekiel 23:20 on mine?
This is what happens when some naif decides to open up a can of worms, whether intentionally or unintentionally, in a public setting. Collins played fast and loose because he could, and of course, it all blew up in his face.
I can just hear him say, "I didn't know this would happen." Sadly, WE WOULD KNOW.
YUCK ! I am glad that I dumped Sunday school after just three visits back in 1957 … had the following Genesis story been dumped on me, then I would have had to have asked my mum and dad what it all meant when I returned home. They were always in bed on Sunday when I got home with my little brother. I can’t ever remember seeing them in a church. Lucky me.
Genesis 19:33-36 (New International Version)
33 That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and slept with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.
34 The next day the older daughter said to the younger, “Last night I slept with my father. Let’s get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him so we can preserve our family line through our father.” 35 So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went in and slept with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.
36 So both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father.
That must have been the event what back in those ancient times that caused the name and exclamation 'jesus' to pop out of nowhere … 'JESUS, HOLY SHIT'
I once saw a podcast with some very young (Early twenty-something) girls analyzing that story. They didn’t catch my point, but they did point out he kept them in a cave, away from civilization, telling them everyone else was gone. For years! perfectly normal behavior! (even they knew that was hinky).
The only thing that kids need on their jersey is a team name and a player number.
If these religious rapists want to drop their pants and wave their shame at the world they can do it with their fellow morons in some shitty church league.
Then why did he only ask the parents, and not the people in charge of buying and managing uniforms ? Why verbal and not written consent ?
And way to deflect his responsibility on the mother of one of the kids.
If the kids can keep their jerseys, they should still be allowed to have their name on them. Unlike sponsor brands, it has nothing to do with promoting an idea or a product.
He thinks he didn't go rogue because as the coach he had authority. He deliberately neglected to use the proper channels because he knew that he would be told no, as they had power over him. Authoritarians will always maximize their power to accomplish their desires.
Imagine a satanic church sponsoring this kind of bullshit. They could use the well known verse from this season of South Park and print on the back, “Trump Fucks Satan.”
Maybe email is subversive? Verbal consent. He's not bright. You know some parents are divorced or something, no one just assumes parents speak to each other. Every team has a list for communication.
I wonder if Trump or his MAGA followers will go after Stephen King. I sure lard ass trumpieboy will get DOJ to come up with criminal charges against Stephen King. Dictator lard ass trumpieboy doesn’t care if the charges are false so long as trump can try to intimidate Stephen King into compliance.
That is all these various criminal charges and lawsuits are about not to actually to convict or win, but to force people into complying with the Christian nationalist agenda. It also a warning to others to obey or you are next one to be charged with criminal offences or with a lawsuit.
Well, that is my non educated analysis of the lawsuits, and legal actions that Trump and Co. are doing!
Stephen King has the resources to defend himself and is secure in his beliefs. He isn’t a corporation who has to answer to shareholders. I don’t think he will easily be intimidated by threats.
King is legitimately wealthy. I'd love to see Trump try to mix it with him. A judge will smack Trump down hard, ala the NYT (especially if he's a King fan).
Gross. If he wants to include religion in his coaching, he should start a church league. The way he went about getting permission was quite manipulative, asking in person in front of everyone is using peer pressure to get your way. It also implies that anyone who might not agree or complain will not see their kid play that much. Plus, there’s something wrong with teaching the lesson of the verse before the parents approve. And it certainly isn’t some uplifting verse, it is a threat to follow the religion or else, just worded in a pretty way. “That’s a nice soul you got there, be a shame if something happens to it.”
The legal argument against this should just be focused on having children coerced into religion. The kids are there for soccer, not for religion. To reiterate, if he wants to coach soccer and preach, start a church league.
Sounds like they’re admitting a church is just a profit-minded business, if they’re likening this to putting a store logo on the shirts. What’s up with all these coaches anyway? They’re going to be slapping Charlie Kirk on the shirts if this keeps up.
Consider Miriam Adelson, she just had donate a fuckton of money for hers, and Rushbo had to get lung cancer from all the cigars he smoked. Which he denied was the reason he got cancer until he died.
For decades kids have played without any issues using plain jerseys without religionite messages. OF COURSE a churchling had to find a way to screw that up just to push his religion onto others. Now there'll be expensive legal litigation for all.
I've coached dozens of teams over the past 30 years. I should've realized I could've put the 7 Basic Tenets of Satanism on my kids' jerseys:
1) strive for compassion and empathy; 2) the struggle for justice should prevail over laws and institutions; 3) the body is inviolable, subject to one's will; 4) respect the freedoms of others; 5) beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding; 6) when one makes a mistake, one should rectify it; and 7) every tenet inspires nobility in thought and action.
When I was but a wee lad, half a century or more ago, I played city recreation league hockey, as was the custom at the time in my hometown. My team was sponsored by Bill's Variety, a small neighborhood store that sold candy & cigarettes & magazines and such. Our jerseys had Bill's Variety on the front and our number on the back. If I remember correctly, Bill - and other local businesses - paid for the jerseys and such which enabled the parks & rec department to provide basic equipment (goalie kit ain't cheap!) in a nice public-private partnership.
I grew up in a heavily Catholic town (two big churches & a good sized parochial school K-12 system), and I don't remember any churches get involved with sponsoring such programs (bar league softball was a big thing for adults, again no churches).
I can easily imagine a Little Devils team in their league; wonder how that would go over in Prince George County?
50 years ago I was playing Junior B hockey, and to date I don't ever tecall seeing uniforms used to spread any form of Iron Age fables.
IANAL, which would explain why I cannot understand how this religious crap on a kids sports uniform is comparable to a sponsor paying to put their logo on that uniform, when this is done without prior approval by the entity that paid for the uniforms,nor why the county - the owners of those uniforms - can't have those uniforms replaced tout d' suite.
"...messaging on County-purchased uniforms for a County-run program presents complex First Amendment considerations.”
This is why it makes no sense that the county can't just replace these uniforms.
Side note: our 5 year old played a similar level of soccer this summer. We bought the shorts and socks, but the jerseys had to be returned at the end of the season. They hold the player pictures "hostage" to ensure the jerseys are returned. Sounds like a similar deal here.
I see we're having another day when Christians are the reason we can't have nice things again.
Making kids backstop your religion is deplorable. Just put the kid's name on the freaking jersey and be done with it; there's really no reason to slap anything else on it anyway. Making a child into a poster for religious issues because nobody wants to attack them isn't a reasoned argument, it's an attempt at emotional blackmail based on the cowardly "Won't someone think of the children!" defense. Let the kids play soccer without all the baggage instead of making yet another try at grabby-hands toward minors.
Honestly, this should all go without saying. This discussion should never be necessary, but here we are again Christians; consider this yet another reason you folks can't keep butts in your pews.
Sniff, sniff - I detect the stench of 7 Mountains Dominionism somewhere here abouts... There is just no place in the public sphere these guys won't try to shove their religion on everyone else.
The UNTIDY STATES OF AMERICA is insane.
I can’t be absolutely sure, but this crap doesn’t go on in AUSTRALIA (YET!)
Your country has a serious lot of work to do to turn itself around into a sane world.
The CONSTITUTION has obviously not delivered the goods since it was put in place so many years ago.
And it really pisses me off to hear 95% of every person and institution automatically always referring to China as the ENEMY. What brainwashing have you all been subjected to. If China is an enemy of the USA, then it is wholly the fault of the USA.
Here endeth the lesson JIM 14:7
Here is an Australian article that many of you are likely to find an interesting read …
By John Menadue
For 35 years after Vietnam, we had a self-reliant defence policy. We need it again
https://johnmenadue.com/post/2025/08/for-thirty-five-years-after-vietnam-we-had-a-self-reliant-defence-policy-we-need-it-again/
I cannot argue with you. Our Constitution was written to try to forestall what has happened, but it has no teeth. It is utterly dependent on people of good will and wisdom adhering to norms. tRump - a NY mob boss was elected by a tiny plurality and has set about to destroy the Constitutional Republic.
Didn't you export Ken Ham to the USA ? 😋
I’ve heard of Leg Ham, that’s pretty good, not sure about Ken Ham. Is he that christian rip-off merchant something to do with jesus on the hill ?
💙 … 🦘🦘🦘
About
Kenneth Alfred Ham is an Australian Christian fundamentalist, young Earth creationist, apologist and former science teacher, living in the United States. He is the founder, CEO, and former president of Answers in Genesis, a Christian apologetics organisation that operates the Creation Museum and the Ark Encounter. Wikipedia
Born: 20 October 1951 (age 73 years), Cairns
Title: Founder, CEO
Education: QUT Gardens Point Campus, The University of Queensland
Spouse: Marylin Ham (m. 1972)
Parents: Mervyn Ham
Comment from South Australia :
Ken Ham was not just born in our 'White Shoe Brigade' State of Queensland , but he also comes from our 'DEEP NORTH' but.
WOAH ! Very scary. They all add 'but' to the end of every one of their spoken sentences. They are all tropically affected. Well, nearly all.
Thanks for the link that was a very enlightening article. Also, below re: Ken Ham may be Aussie but he had to come to the good 'ol US of A to let his sinister "Christian" freak flag fly where he knew he could score on the hateful grift that Christianity is.
💯
That’s actually such a good point. This definitely has a to be a try for education coverage
Hey, if that kid wants to put John 14:6 on their jersey, can I put Ezekiel 23:20 on mine?
This is what happens when some naif decides to open up a can of worms, whether intentionally or unintentionally, in a public setting. Collins played fast and loose because he could, and of course, it all blew up in his face.
I can just hear him say, "I didn't know this would happen." Sadly, WE WOULD KNOW.
Genesis 19:33-36. Lot and his daughters. That would cause some uproar in a youth soccer league!
What's the verse about donkeys and a shameless woman ?
Ezekiel 23:20
There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.
How poetic.
Ya THINK??? 🤪
YUCK ! I am glad that I dumped Sunday school after just three visits back in 1957 … had the following Genesis story been dumped on me, then I would have had to have asked my mum and dad what it all meant when I returned home. They were always in bed on Sunday when I got home with my little brother. I can’t ever remember seeing them in a church. Lucky me.
Genesis 19:33-36 (New International Version)
33 That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and slept with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.
34 The next day the older daughter said to the younger, “Last night I slept with my father. Let’s get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him so we can preserve our family line through our father.” 35 So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went in and slept with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.
36 So both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father.
That must have been the event what back in those ancient times that caused the name and exclamation 'jesus' to pop out of nowhere … 'JESUS, HOLY SHIT'
💙… 🦘🦘🦘
They didn't realize his dick wouldn't work if they got him blind-drunk?
Yep, another blatant lie in the buybull … of course they didn’t get him drunk.
The buybulls have nailed almost as many lies as has the latter day Arch-Criminal US President DUMOLD JESUS TRUMP.
💙 … 🦘🦘🦘
I once saw a podcast with some very young (Early twenty-something) girls analyzing that story. They didn’t catch my point, but they did point out he kept them in a cave, away from civilization, telling them everyone else was gone. For years! perfectly normal behavior! (even they knew that was hinky).
I’ve never heard the word HINKY before. … DISHONEST or SUSPECT.
75 years and I’m still expanding my vocab. Thanks EfN.
Trump 1:1: Grab 'em by the pussy. They let you do that when you're famous. And get that fat horse, Rosie O'Donnell, outa my face.
The only thing that kids need on their jersey is a team name and a player number.
If these religious rapists want to drop their pants and wave their shame at the world they can do it with their fellow morons in some shitty church league.
"the coach said he didn’t go rogue at all"
Then why did he only ask the parents, and not the people in charge of buying and managing uniforms ? Why verbal and not written consent ?
And way to deflect his responsibility on the mother of one of the kids.
If the kids can keep their jerseys, they should still be allowed to have their name on them. Unlike sponsor brands, it has nothing to do with promoting an idea or a product.
He thinks he didn't go rogue because as the coach he had authority. He deliberately neglected to use the proper channels because he knew that he would be told no, as they had power over him. Authoritarians will always maximize their power to accomplish their desires.
Imagine a satanic church sponsoring this kind of bullshit. They could use the well known verse from this season of South Park and print on the back, “Trump Fucks Satan.”
I thought Satan had better taste. How silly of me 🤣
South Park has an episode of Trump impregnating Satan.
Satan's previous boyfriend was Sadam Hussein.
"Trump is Fucking Satan". I laughed so hard.
I disagree. It has EVERYTHING to do with promoting an idea or a product. :P
Maybe email is subversive? Verbal consent. He's not bright. You know some parents are divorced or something, no one just assumes parents speak to each other. Every team has a list for communication.
Now picture the histrionics from this insufferable putz if another team showed up with pride flag jerseys.
Plenty of kids are born LGBTQ... exactly 𝘻𝘦𝘳𝘰 are born Christian.
Two people you should never trust: A religious leader who tells you how to vote and a politician who tells you how to pray.
I’m busy being rebellious today and making art that no one asked for ✨
Cheers
Any religious person, any politician*.
*Some are ok to trust but always verify.
The best kind of art IMO
OT
Happy 78th Birthday to Stephen King
Feliz cumpleaños to a great man who stand up for his ideas.
I wonder if Trump or his MAGA followers will go after Stephen King. I sure lard ass trumpieboy will get DOJ to come up with criminal charges against Stephen King. Dictator lard ass trumpieboy doesn’t care if the charges are false so long as trump can try to intimidate Stephen King into compliance.
That is all these various criminal charges and lawsuits are about not to actually to convict or win, but to force people into complying with the Christian nationalist agenda. It also a warning to others to obey or you are next one to be charged with criminal offences or with a lawsuit.
Well, that is my non educated analysis of the lawsuits, and legal actions that Trump and Co. are doing!
Stephen King has the resources to defend himself and is secure in his beliefs. He isn’t a corporation who has to answer to shareholders. I don’t think he will easily be intimidated by threats.
King is legitimately wealthy. I'd love to see Trump try to mix it with him. A judge will smack Trump down hard, ala the NYT (especially if he's a King fan).
Gross. If he wants to include religion in his coaching, he should start a church league. The way he went about getting permission was quite manipulative, asking in person in front of everyone is using peer pressure to get your way. It also implies that anyone who might not agree or complain will not see their kid play that much. Plus, there’s something wrong with teaching the lesson of the verse before the parents approve. And it certainly isn’t some uplifting verse, it is a threat to follow the religion or else, just worded in a pretty way. “That’s a nice soul you got there, be a shame if something happens to it.”
The legal argument against this should just be focused on having children coerced into religion. The kids are there for soccer, not for religion. To reiterate, if he wants to coach soccer and preach, start a church league.
“That’s a nice soul you got there, be a shame if something happens to it.”
Excellent.
Sounds like they’re admitting a church is just a profit-minded business, if they’re likening this to putting a store logo on the shirts. What’s up with all these coaches anyway? They’re going to be slapping Charlie Kirk on the shirts if this keeps up.
I fully expect for Charlie Kirk to be nominated for MAGA sainthood before the year is out. 🤢🤮
He's still a public toilet.
And that’s his good qualities!
They did that before the corpse was cold.
Necrophilia, just another republican value.
MAGA is really hurting for heroes if that jackalope is their Saint 😇
Consider Miriam Adelson, she just had donate a fuckton of money for hers, and Rushbo had to get lung cancer from all the cigars he smoked. Which he denied was the reason he got cancer until he died.
That's 𝒔𝒐𝒐𝒐𝒐 last week's news¹:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-says-will-posthumously-award-charlie-kirk-presidential-medal-fre-rcna230581
(¹ Literally, and not just in the virtually sense of the word.)
There are already Charlie Kirk t-shirts for sale.
They’re good for lining bird cages. And each time you wash them, the image fades a little more.
The dude had a shrinking face, in an enlarged head, very freaky looking.
Further evidence of my thesis that religion is just marketing.
Nothing says desperation (that your cult is declining) like draping children in its nonsensical verses.
For decades kids have played without any issues using plain jerseys without religionite messages. OF COURSE a churchling had to find a way to screw that up just to push his religion onto others. Now there'll be expensive legal litigation for all.
I've coached dozens of teams over the past 30 years. I should've realized I could've put the 7 Basic Tenets of Satanism on my kids' jerseys:
1) strive for compassion and empathy; 2) the struggle for justice should prevail over laws and institutions; 3) the body is inviolable, subject to one's will; 4) respect the freedoms of others; 5) beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding; 6) when one makes a mistake, one should rectify it; and 7) every tenet inspires nobility in thought and action.
We're going to need a bigger jersey. : )
Smaller font.
MUCH smaller ... how about 1/4-point Arial?
And in superscript.
Or Aramaic.
I've got a New one I can sell you cheap.
Pass. Don't even want to visit.
Pig gets a lesson in the Christian religion
gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2025/09/20
(click on comic to enlarge and enhance)
How long do you think it'll be before either Trump or Christian Nationalists go after Stephan Pastis?
Is he published in any venue their ilk might stumble across it? Daily Stormer, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, Iowa Standard.....
Or Wiley Miller (have you seen this morning’s Non Sequitur?). And how about Doonesbury’s Garry Trudeau? Especially him.
You can as well go for the short version "anyone who doesn't worship him and kiss his ass".
Purdy much ... 😝
I like "All the Pretty Horses". 😉
When I was but a wee lad, half a century or more ago, I played city recreation league hockey, as was the custom at the time in my hometown. My team was sponsored by Bill's Variety, a small neighborhood store that sold candy & cigarettes & magazines and such. Our jerseys had Bill's Variety on the front and our number on the back. If I remember correctly, Bill - and other local businesses - paid for the jerseys and such which enabled the parks & rec department to provide basic equipment (goalie kit ain't cheap!) in a nice public-private partnership.
I grew up in a heavily Catholic town (two big churches & a good sized parochial school K-12 system), and I don't remember any churches get involved with sponsoring such programs (bar league softball was a big thing for adults, again no churches).
I can easily imagine a Little Devils team in their league; wonder how that would go over in Prince George County?
https://lite987.com/bills-variety-shop-rome-new-york/
50 years ago I was playing Junior B hockey, and to date I don't ever tecall seeing uniforms used to spread any form of Iron Age fables.
IANAL, which would explain why I cannot understand how this religious crap on a kids sports uniform is comparable to a sponsor paying to put their logo on that uniform, when this is done without prior approval by the entity that paid for the uniforms,nor why the county - the owners of those uniforms - can't have those uniforms replaced tout d' suite.
The parents probably shelled out the money for the unis.
Nope. From one of the county press releases:
"...messaging on County-purchased uniforms for a County-run program presents complex First Amendment considerations.”
This is why it makes no sense that the county can't just replace these uniforms.
Side note: our 5 year old played a similar level of soccer this summer. We bought the shorts and socks, but the jerseys had to be returned at the end of the season. They hold the player pictures "hostage" to ensure the jerseys are returned. Sounds like a similar deal here.
At this point, I honestly find it more instructive what local churches won't (or just don't) support than anything else.
I see we're having another day when Christians are the reason we can't have nice things again.
Making kids backstop your religion is deplorable. Just put the kid's name on the freaking jersey and be done with it; there's really no reason to slap anything else on it anyway. Making a child into a poster for religious issues because nobody wants to attack them isn't a reasoned argument, it's an attempt at emotional blackmail based on the cowardly "Won't someone think of the children!" defense. Let the kids play soccer without all the baggage instead of making yet another try at grabby-hands toward minors.
Honestly, this should all go without saying. This discussion should never be necessary, but here we are again Christians; consider this yet another reason you folks can't keep butts in your pews.