I would not be surprised, if it was one of his brainwashed, developmentally challenged, flock that heard that dog-whistle, I watched them weaponize their requests, with "Wanted" (dead or alive being implied)" posters of the old West style...
If Drake is so happy that George Tiller died, why isn't he miffed at his god for all the abortions Yahweh is responsible for? Consider that, according to the AMA, between 40 and 50% of all human fertilized eggs fail to implant in the uterus, and something like one in 25 pregnancies auto-abort before the end of the first trimester. This doesn't mention fetal abnormalities that can range from Rh mismatch to anencephaly, with the result being either a miscarriage or stillbirth. Worse, many such situations can threaten the mother's ability to have more children, and in severe cases, threaten her life.
Oh, but no, Drake can't be bothered with those. That's God's Will™. Uh-huh. Sure it is, Wiley.
I basically accused Yahweh of that very crime some 30 or so years ago on Jim Maxey's Event Horizon BBS. I still have the post, too, all these years later (I'm something of a pack rat as it comes to old [and sometimes not so old] writings!).
Don't forget the over four million children who die each year of disease. "In 2023, approximately 4.8 million children under the age of five died worldwide, averaging about 13,100 deaths daily. When including older children and youth (up to age 24), the total rises to nearly 7 million deaths. While child mortality has dropped by over 50% since 2000, millions still die annually from preventable causes like pneumonia, diarrhoea, and malaria, with nearly half of these deaths occurring in Sub-Saharan Africa." From UNICEF. Can't help wondering why christians believe they have a loving "god".
Obama was treasonous? I'd love to hear what his definition of treasonous is. I'm sure it's some bs about how Obama was a Satanist and a baby killer. iow - not treasonous to the US of A but to the SBC. Meanwhile our current 'President' is all about treason.
To paraphrase something I saw the other day: no matter how much or how little melanin any of us have, we're all the same color when the leopards shit us out.
Yes. Definitely to them. He approved the decision of the IRS, to go after ALL the fake 501c "charities" that exploded, after the Citizens United decision. (On all fronts), but since they were the worst offenders, and the CU decision was aimed at them gaining more power, they had the most to lose from shell companies they use to funnel their untaxable money, to the religious fanatic idiots they sponsor to make them even more rich and powerful.
It is telling that their God apparently takes decades to 'answer' a prayer for the death of a political opponent, yet is never too busy to oversee the daily reality of millions of children dying from famine and preventable disease.
If Wiley Drake’s 'prayer warriors' believe a divine hand is at work in the timing of a stroke or a heart attack, they have to reconcile that with a deity who remains silent while predators commit acts of sexual abuse across the globe with impunity. It seems their version of 'divine justice' is remarkably selective—prioritizing the silencing of a doctor or a president over the protection of the most vulnerable. To praise Drake’s legacy now isn't just whitewashing a bigot; it’s endorsing a theology that values tribal vengeance over actual human life.
Just to be clear, people like Wiley Drake are why I left the SBC and Christianity.
This is normal behavior for this group. This is who they are. The SBC is not going to condemn the man because he was exactly what they are. The SBC honestly believes Drake was in the right, and therefore sees no need to condemn his behavior; they think that outsiders 'just don't understand properly' or some similar nonsense. The racist, misogynist, bigoted behavior is completely normal and expected in their system. Don't expect it to change, either; these folks think they are the old moral majority of the Regan era.
I won't pretend I'm sad to see him gone, but I prefer not to speak ill of the dead so I'll leave it at that.
I'd say they're part of the old moral majority, but they aren't the complete package. Regan's moral majority was always about getting power into specific hands and abusing the daylights out of it anyway.
I will never understand the "praying for his family" and "grieving his death" stuff from these people. Don't they fervently believe that he IS ALREADY IN HEAVEN (so no need for prayers) and that he is ALREADY IN HEAVEN (so why should they grieve)???
What am I missing?
I wasn't raised with this irrational cant, and I never learned to speak Dopey Evangelical, so.... a little help?
Sorry to be offensive. I know I don't have a lot of sympathy for religious folks, and maybe I should, but GAH!!!!!!!!!!
That's the proof that in their brain (that's where we think, not with the heart), they don't believe in their fairytale with the imaginary friend (which is one but also three). Otherwise they would organize death parties.
Apart from the psychological effects on the believer, I do not think prayer ever affected the outcome of anything. Thus, it seems Wiley Drake made himself feel better by praying for and then celebrating the death of Dr. Tiller. As long as a significant segment of the population continues to view faith as a virtue, horrible people, acting in the name of Jesus, will continue to be a millstone around the neck of humanity. I won't celebrate Drake's passing. He simply isn't worth the effort.
Hey RWNJ Christians! That's how it works. No god brings about anyone's death. People die all the time from accidents, disease, and sometimes just because they are old. If someone dies as a direct result of your prayers, then it's because either you or someone within earshot decided to do what god can't do, and law enforcement should get involved.
Religious people of all faiths actively avoid critical thinking. How else can they stay faithful to their deities? That is one reason religious people dislike higher education, as many young believers lose their faiths at universities.
People talk about the 'power of prayer' all the time and how it saved their lives. But we never hear from people who prayed and died anyway. Coincidence? I think not.
Real righteous anger is when you see injustice and the anger that the injustice triggers motivates you to do something. Their righteous anger is just cherry picking bible verses to justify their hate, so they don't feel guilty about hating.
I suspect few of these folks have felt any form of guilt since the Southern Strategy "authorized" hating those with darker skin (since about 1960.)
And now TRUMP has freed them from any degree of personal responsibility for the harm they've caused, the harm they still benefit from daily, and the harm they WISH to cause, simply by changing the contents of history books and ignoring the Jesus in their own bibles. (Particularly the Sermon on the Mount, including the Golden Rule.)
With a deal like this, they basically have zero reason to even consider the kindness (and even humanist logic) of receiving any form of "salvation" from Jesus. Trump answers ALL their prayers, especially those full of hate and violence.
He is their "Marmalade Messiah." I think his cult is absorbing the 'never were christians really, just liked saying so' crowd, like Marge Taylor Greene
Yes, Tiller as a Gyn performed many life-saving procedures, because he understood the necessity, of having those procedures available, and understood through his training, the surgical ramifications of his specialized field. Now we have congressional republicans who flunked biology, making up arbitrary rules, that don't account for all that can, and does, go wrong in pregnancy.
I am actually thankful for the SBC, it was an SBC pastor that convinced me to give up being an agnostic and commit to being an atheist. Spiritually, I've never felt so at peace.
I wish I had never heard of the SBC. As a child, I spent a lot of sleepless nights terrified that the Rapture was going to happen before I woke up the next morning before I woke up and I would be one of those left behind to face the Tribulation.
Fourth morning in the new house, 3rd cup of coffee, And Al is right with the world.
And Wiley Drake is still dead.” SIng psalms, that bitch is dead, Which ol’ bitch? The wiley bitch. Sing psalms the wicked bitch is dead.”
Whoops! Wrong movie
“ It’s not distasteful to pray the word of God and include somebody’s name,” he said. “I didn’t celebrate his death. I said maybe it was God’s answer to our imprecatory prayer.”
And here it is. Religious megalomania in all of its gory glory. God does exactly what I tell him to. Look at how powerful I am. God is also so stupid, because he waits for me to tell him stuff. I’m smarter than God..
The current raft of eulogies/encomiums proves when I have always known about their moral compass. It always points to some of the worst attributes of human nature. Let us not forget that this denomination was formed because of slavery. That it maintained segregation and Jim Crow. That it produced someone like Anita bryant who decided that she could use gay people as her steppingstone to power in her church, but announced that her divorce was against everything that she believed as a Christian. But she did it anyway.
This is the church of slavery, Klansmen, lynch mobs, and bigots.
They haven't changed.
There is no horror that cannot be, and has not been, justified in the name of religion.
I concur.
"I'm glad George Tiller is dead."
Christian love. Thus was it ever. And atheists are the immoral ones according to the sect built on slavery and racism.
I would not be surprised, if it was one of his brainwashed, developmentally challenged, flock that heard that dog-whistle, I watched them weaponize their requests, with "Wanted" (dead or alive being implied)" posters of the old West style...
If Drake is so happy that George Tiller died, why isn't he miffed at his god for all the abortions Yahweh is responsible for? Consider that, according to the AMA, between 40 and 50% of all human fertilized eggs fail to implant in the uterus, and something like one in 25 pregnancies auto-abort before the end of the first trimester. This doesn't mention fetal abnormalities that can range from Rh mismatch to anencephaly, with the result being either a miscarriage or stillbirth. Worse, many such situations can threaten the mother's ability to have more children, and in severe cases, threaten her life.
Oh, but no, Drake can't be bothered with those. That's God's Will™. Uh-huh. Sure it is, Wiley.
God is undoubtedly the #1 greatest abortionist of ALL time!
(Not to mention 1,000,000 global miscarriages/spontaneous abortions annually from the very air we breath, courtesy of Big Oil.)
I basically accused Yahweh of that very crime some 30 or so years ago on Jim Maxey's Event Horizon BBS. I still have the post, too, all these years later (I'm something of a pack rat as it comes to old [and sometimes not so old] writings!).
BBS...
"Sure there's a cost to increasing the growth of technology, but that's the price of growth."
We never dreamed that one major cost of such ubiquitous social media would be named "Trump".
Don't forget the over four million children who die each year of disease. "In 2023, approximately 4.8 million children under the age of five died worldwide, averaging about 13,100 deaths daily. When including older children and youth (up to age 24), the total rises to nearly 7 million deaths. While child mortality has dropped by over 50% since 2000, millions still die annually from preventable causes like pneumonia, diarrhoea, and malaria, with nearly half of these deaths occurring in Sub-Saharan Africa." From UNICEF. Can't help wondering why christians believe they have a loving "god".
https://data.unicef.org/resources/sowc-2025/
Tragically, Larry, MAGA has forgotten that Jesus was not white...
And in fact, there are NO white folks in the bible...at all.
So why do only white deaths matter to these poor , sad fools?
Always speak good of the dead. He's dead. Good.
Praying to God for someone to die? He's dead. God must have listened to somebody's prayer, then.
See how that twisted thinking works out?
...𝑜𝑛𝑙𝑦 𝑡𝑜 𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑖𝑠𝑡 𝑖𝑡 𝑤𝑎𝑠 𝑏𝑒𝑐𝑎𝑢𝑠𝑒 ℎ𝑒 𝑤𝑎𝑛𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑠𝑒𝑒 𝑂𝑏𝑎𝑚𝑎 𝑙𝑖𝑣𝑒 𝑙𝑜𝑛𝑔 𝑒𝑛𝑜𝑢𝑔ℎ 𝑡𝑜 𝑏𝑒 𝑡𝑟𝑖𝑒𝑑 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑡𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑠𝑜𝑛 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑒𝑥𝑒𝑐𝑢𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑏𝑦 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑡𝑎𝑡𝑒.
Obama was treasonous? I'd love to hear what his definition of treasonous is. I'm sure it's some bs about how Obama was a Satanist and a baby killer. iow - not treasonous to the US of A but to the SBC. Meanwhile our current 'President' is all about treason.
His definition of treasonous probably had something to do with Obama having power while also having an abundance of melanin.
To paraphrase something I saw the other day: no matter how much or how little melanin any of us have, we're all the same color when the leopards shit us out.
It was either the tan suit or mustard on a hot dog.
Yes. Definitely to them. He approved the decision of the IRS, to go after ALL the fake 501c "charities" that exploded, after the Citizens United decision. (On all fronts), but since they were the worst offenders, and the CU decision was aimed at them gaining more power, they had the most to lose from shell companies they use to funnel their untaxable money, to the religious fanatic idiots they sponsor to make them even more rich and powerful.
It is telling that their God apparently takes decades to 'answer' a prayer for the death of a political opponent, yet is never too busy to oversee the daily reality of millions of children dying from famine and preventable disease.
If Wiley Drake’s 'prayer warriors' believe a divine hand is at work in the timing of a stroke or a heart attack, they have to reconcile that with a deity who remains silent while predators commit acts of sexual abuse across the globe with impunity. It seems their version of 'divine justice' is remarkably selective—prioritizing the silencing of a doctor or a president over the protection of the most vulnerable. To praise Drake’s legacy now isn't just whitewashing a bigot; it’s endorsing a theology that values tribal vengeance over actual human life.
All part of their "god's amazing plan."
https://ibb.co/xKXcX4pr
Doesn't get a whole lot blunter than that.
Sometimes you have to be blunt when talking to Christians, because nuance and complexity goes right over their heads!
I've cited this one a few times, mostly because 1) it is very true and 2) I LIKE IT:
... 𝑎 𝑑𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑛𝑔𝑢𝑖𝑠ℎ𝑒𝑑 𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑑𝑒𝑐𝑒𝑠𝑠𝑜𝑟 𝑜𝑛𝑐𝑒 𝑠𝑎𝑖𝑑, 𝑖𝑛 𝑑𝑒𝑎𝑙𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑐𝑒𝑟𝑡𝑎𝑖𝑛 𝑡𝑦𝑝𝑒𝑠 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑚𝑢𝑠𝑡 𝑠𝑡𝑒𝑝 𝑜𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑟 𝑡𝑜𝑒𝑠 𝑢𝑛𝑡𝑖𝑙 𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒚 𝑎𝑝𝑜𝑙𝑜𝑔𝑖𝑧𝑒.
-- Robert A. Heinlein, The Star Beast
A clue by four will come in handy.
I'm putting that in my "things to say to theists" mental file.
I am sooo stealing that!
Who could have imagined that a cult, formed to support and justify owning other human beings, would be mired in hate, bigotry and lies?
🤔
Yeah, I know...shocking, isn't it?
Just to be clear, people like Wiley Drake are why I left the SBC and Christianity.
This is normal behavior for this group. This is who they are. The SBC is not going to condemn the man because he was exactly what they are. The SBC honestly believes Drake was in the right, and therefore sees no need to condemn his behavior; they think that outsiders 'just don't understand properly' or some similar nonsense. The racist, misogynist, bigoted behavior is completely normal and expected in their system. Don't expect it to change, either; these folks think they are the old moral majority of the Regan era.
I won't pretend I'm sad to see him gone, but I prefer not to speak ill of the dead so I'll leave it at that.
They are the "moral" "majority" from the Reagan era. They are just more open with the racism, misogyny, and anti-lgbtq hate now.
I'd say they're part of the old moral majority, but they aren't the complete package. Regan's moral majority was always about getting power into specific hands and abusing the daylights out of it anyway.
People like Drake are why I went from atheist to anti-theist.
Glad you made it out of there! I’m sure it wasn’t easy.
I absolutely will, he caused harm to so many, him being dead doesn't change that.
"Instead of being honest, Southern Baptists…"
When were Southern Baptists ever honest?
When they came out in support of slavery?
👆🎯
I will never understand the "praying for his family" and "grieving his death" stuff from these people. Don't they fervently believe that he IS ALREADY IN HEAVEN (so no need for prayers) and that he is ALREADY IN HEAVEN (so why should they grieve)???
What am I missing?
I wasn't raised with this irrational cant, and I never learned to speak Dopey Evangelical, so.... a little help?
Sorry to be offensive. I know I don't have a lot of sympathy for religious folks, and maybe I should, but GAH!!!!!!!!!!
You're not wrong.
That's the proof that in their brain (that's where we think, not with the heart), they don't believe in their fairytale with the imaginary friend (which is one but also three). Otherwise they would organize death parties.
Yes! I think that is exactly correct.
Apart from the psychological effects on the believer, I do not think prayer ever affected the outcome of anything. Thus, it seems Wiley Drake made himself feel better by praying for and then celebrating the death of Dr. Tiller. As long as a significant segment of the population continues to view faith as a virtue, horrible people, acting in the name of Jesus, will continue to be a millstone around the neck of humanity. I won't celebrate Drake's passing. He simply isn't worth the effort.
He is one effluent, among many.
𝑁𝑜 𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑝𝑟𝑎𝑦𝑒𝑑 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑖𝑡; ℎ𝑒 𝑤𝑎𝑠 𝑗𝑢𝑠𝑡 𝑜𝑙𝑑.
Hey RWNJ Christians! That's how it works. No god brings about anyone's death. People die all the time from accidents, disease, and sometimes just because they are old. If someone dies as a direct result of your prayers, then it's because either you or someone within earshot decided to do what god can't do, and law enforcement should get involved.
They have never bothered to notice that Yahweh answers their prayers at roughly the same rate as random chance would. Funny thing, that.
Religious people of all faiths actively avoid critical thinking. How else can they stay faithful to their deities? That is one reason religious people dislike higher education, as many young believers lose their faiths at universities.
Yes, they get exposed to people of different cultures and realize they were lied to.
People talk about the 'power of prayer' all the time and how it saved their lives. But we never hear from people who prayed and died anyway. Coincidence? I think not.
https://youtu.be/vM5n8jESUEk?si=BYqjwknQHG1CEn_U
Like the Tiller murder.
I don't know about the rest of the country, but in the deep south we have something these Christians(sic) call "righteous anger".
Basically, a means to call on hate in the name of Jesus.
Even among atheists, that's gotta be really bad optics.
Real righteous anger is when you see injustice and the anger that the injustice triggers motivates you to do something. Their righteous anger is just cherry picking bible verses to justify their hate, so they don't feel guilty about hating.
I suspect few of these folks have felt any form of guilt since the Southern Strategy "authorized" hating those with darker skin (since about 1960.)
And now TRUMP has freed them from any degree of personal responsibility for the harm they've caused, the harm they still benefit from daily, and the harm they WISH to cause, simply by changing the contents of history books and ignoring the Jesus in their own bibles. (Particularly the Sermon on the Mount, including the Golden Rule.)
With a deal like this, they basically have zero reason to even consider the kindness (and even humanist logic) of receiving any form of "salvation" from Jesus. Trump answers ALL their prayers, especially those full of hate and violence.
He is their "Marmalade Messiah." I think his cult is absorbing the 'never were christians really, just liked saying so' crowd, like Marge Taylor Greene
“This man, George Tiller, was far greater in his atrocities than Adolf Hitler,” Drake said.
Enough said to know that he is the ultimate douche bag.
I'm kinda shocked to find out that Wiley Drake dissed Hitler.
Yes, Tiller as a Gyn performed many life-saving procedures, because he understood the necessity, of having those procedures available, and understood through his training, the surgical ramifications of his specialized field. Now we have congressional republicans who flunked biology, making up arbitrary rules, that don't account for all that can, and does, go wrong in pregnancy.
Mike Johnson, DO (Do Over)
I am actually thankful for the SBC, it was an SBC pastor that convinced me to give up being an agnostic and commit to being an atheist. Spiritually, I've never felt so at peace.
Welcome to the atheist club. It's liberating!
Yes, it was such a relief to get rid of all of the cognitive dissonance.
I wish I had never heard of the SBC. As a child, I spent a lot of sleepless nights terrified that the Rapture was going to happen before I woke up the next morning before I woke up and I would be one of those left behind to face the Tribulation.
Fourth morning in the new house, 3rd cup of coffee, And Al is right with the world.
And Wiley Drake is still dead.” SIng psalms, that bitch is dead, Which ol’ bitch? The wiley bitch. Sing psalms the wicked bitch is dead.”
Whoops! Wrong movie
“ It’s not distasteful to pray the word of God and include somebody’s name,” he said. “I didn’t celebrate his death. I said maybe it was God’s answer to our imprecatory prayer.”
And here it is. Religious megalomania in all of its gory glory. God does exactly what I tell him to. Look at how powerful I am. God is also so stupid, because he waits for me to tell him stuff. I’m smarter than God..
The current raft of eulogies/encomiums proves when I have always known about their moral compass. It always points to some of the worst attributes of human nature. Let us not forget that this denomination was formed because of slavery. That it maintained segregation and Jim Crow. That it produced someone like Anita bryant who decided that she could use gay people as her steppingstone to power in her church, but announced that her divorce was against everything that she believed as a Christian. But she did it anyway.
Convenience is such a harsh mistress.
Do you have your wi-fi set up yet? ; )
I do. It’s included with the house rent.
I believe he is fully vaccinated.
And hypocrisy is a Christian virtue, that is not even to bat an eye at!
As jesus said repeatedly: “Scribes. PHarisees! And…and…and…other people I don’t like!”
Sadducees. 😉
Much worse than the happy ones