I can think of a much better retirement plan for him. It involves 3 meals a day, and a room all his own. He would even be allowed oustide for one hour a day! No more financial worries, he can live there for the rest of his life. Which will be shortened substantially if they put him in gen pop instead of solitary.
Ooohhhh. That's kind of you. I was going to ask how much are bullets these days? It is the lowest cost retirement plan and he gets those rewards stored up in heaven.
Yes, and this is America!!!!! The greatest nation on god's green earth. Guns can just about be had anywhere, especially flea markets next to the Nazi "memorabilia."
I agree on. Conversely, if he collects retirement it sends 2 messages:
1. Start vetting your ministers
2. They messed up, so now they have to cut him a check every month. They should be extremely bothered by that, since it's money they can't put toward not helping other people.
Certainly there are more messages, like "crime does pay" and "so does christian pedophilia."
My daughter and son in law belonged to that church briefly. Decided they didn't like it. I don't know what their reasons were, and I didn't ask. Don't really care.
Terrific. Morris can be forgiven his trespasses until the cows come home. That doesn't change the fact that HE IS GUILTY OF SEXUAL ABUSE, and REPEATED sexual abuse at that. How he figures he is due retirement pay in the face of his actions is beyond me.
This is a repeating problem with evangelicals. They think that being forgiven their sins is equivalent to being pardoned of the crime they committed.
Something else occurred to me, when I was reading the bits about 'being forgiven': The wording talks of 'the family' of the child providing forgiveness (this sentence might actually have been a blatant lie), but nowhere does the church or the pastor mention what the 'young lady' (barf!) herself thought. They do not mention her at all. They talk of his 'moral failure' (barf again!), but do not talk of what harm it might have caused her.
You don't want to guess how much that "property" crap pisses me off. You see, I have a daughter. She is a good woman, ridiculously sharp, way smarter than I am, and she's my pride and joy.
I retired in a shithole state to be near my daughter, who is associate director of international student services at a state university. She works much harder than I ever did as a United Methodist clergyperson!
Most women victims are ignored while their abusers, who are often in powerful positions, get to continue their lives as if nothing happened. See Amber Heard and her actor ex. Add to that the idea that if someone truly repents, then they are forgiven (which, as a Christian, I agree with) but that does not mean they are inured from prosecution and are subject to the justice system. As for the BS about women being the property of men - we rejected that a long time ago. Well, in certain places anyway. Sorry, my grammar is all over the place, Iβm a bit cross (which is British for βincandescent with rage).
Indeed. When you place all value on and prioritize the βafterlifeβ over actual life here on earth, you arenβt living in the present and therefore see no need to take accountability for anything or strive for personal growth.
It is one of the big arguments between the RCC and Evilgelicals - whether or not good works count toward salvation. Makes one wonder just how many of these holy Joes believe in the god they are selling.
Ironically the original protestants gave that up because of the rampant corruption of 'good works' = buying an indulgence. But they just ended replacing it with another form of rampant corruption...
Repeating problem indeed - one in which a pervert poses as a pastor. These people have no scruples , no morals, no ethics. This scumbag and others like him are in it for one reason only - fleece the flock and amass a fortune. Consider the company he keeps.
Personal observation, but people who feel free to live openly as themselves seem to have far less need of finding powerless victims that they can try to hush up than those who stuff themselves all the way in the back of the closet. (Not claiming that it never happens, of course.)
It's almost like, if you can publicly partner with a consenting adult from a gender you're attracted to, you are less likely to seek out someone more vulnerable. But surely it can't be that simple...
"... a lawsuit that four former church members had filed against Morris for misusing their tithe money and refusing to honor a money-back guarantee he made back in 2022"
Hint for these four church members: if you don't want your pastors to misuse your tithe money, don't give them any and spend your hard earned money for something usefull. Also, you will no longer need a money-back guarantee. If you are denied access to your church for not paying, nothing of value will be lost.
I think it perfectly reasonable to donate 10% of your net income to charities that actually document where the money goes. (Hypocritically, I do not meet the 10% threshold, I like my creature comforts and toys too much)
It is simply amazing to me how much money they have to play with. 600 to 800,000 a year? Wassammatta, are there not enough starving children in the world?
Itβs interesting. When one of their own molests a kid, they refer to it as a moral failure. But when a gay person, trans person, or drag queen simply exists, let alone is even near kids, with no threat at all to any child, the full weight of government and the Wrath oβ God must be brought to bear.
Oh, I see what happened. He got βfreedom ministryβ counseling. I guess that means heβs now free of sin? Wait, that doesnβt happen, heβs born with it. It must mean that maybe heβs free to do it again.
βI was involvedβ¦β
βBehavior happenedβ¦.β
β The situation was brought to light β¦β
βIt was confessedβ¦β
It was repentedβ¦β
Itβs clear from the language that itβs the sort of thing that could happen to anyone just walking down the street.
kkkrister hypocrisy is alive and well. Their book calls for my murder. If anyone beats the fuck out of one, just claim "stand your ground" and self-defense. See Lev. 20:13 and paul the hateful.
The Catholic church has documentation going back centuries. No reason to expect other extant denominations not to have had the problem from inception, even if we're only learning about incidents in living generations.
Bibically-speaking, Morris caused little children to stumble (lose faith in Jesus) by sexually assaulting them.
The Christian's own savior had a solution for this. It involved having a millstone hung around the guilty party's neck and then throwing them into the sea.
Of course they are! when a body is reduced to chum, just attach a new one! I had a Physical geography prof at Michigan State point out that the granite steps will be the last remaining trace of the university campus.
I haven't even finished reading the article and I am already blowing a gasket: βinappropriate sexual behavior with a young lady.β - what utter baloney! Let's translate this, it was sexually assaulting a child!
You assaulted a child, you ..... [insert insult of choice!]!
You got away with it for a number of years, but now your behaviour is biting you in the arse and you'll pay for it!
I believe definition of the crime, at the time it happened. Minimum sentence at the time of conviction. So, if it wasn't a crime when it happened it can't be charged.
I am not disputing your view. However, there are some 'interesting' definitions of rape in some jurisdictions, hence I decided to stick with the more general term of 'sexual assault'.
OT: I didn't take the time to find out what they were peddling, but a couple of god-botherers stopped by this morning. I soon as I saw the pamphlet title 'Pure Worship', I forcefully said (maybe shouted) no and began to close the door. They seemed somewhat shocked, but they turned and left.
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I can think of a much better retirement plan for him. It involves 3 meals a day, and a room all his own. He would even be allowed oustide for one hour a day! No more financial worries, he can live there for the rest of his life. Which will be shortened substantially if they put him in gen pop instead of solitary.
The church should repent and give that retirement to the victim.
What they βshouldβ do and what they βwouldβ do are as opposite as night and day.
In my day... we used to call it "three hots and a cot". In his jail cell he would also have a pot to piss in and a window to throw it out of.
If I were president I'd have you as an advisor.
Ooohhhh. That's kind of you. I was going to ask how much are bullets these days? It is the lowest cost retirement plan and he gets those rewards stored up in heaven.
Nah man, thatβs wasteful.
A guillotine is reusable.
Exactly. No need to clean the blade, who cares about germs at that point?
True, but much more difficult to carry around.
It can be permanently displayed in the church parking lot. Just bring a basket!
Beats having a garden Gnome.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a1cb01e45220d332389baa61457a266fde73b5e3904843fcfa1079eec2c4302f.jpg
Yes, and this is America!!!!! The greatest nation on god's green earth. Guns can just about be had anywhere, especially flea markets next to the Nazi "memorabilia."
I hope he gets prison time rather than a pension. That said, I pretty well gave up on the idea of justice being done in this country.
Jail time would be BADLY OVERDUE.
Payments as long as he lives....
I agree on. Conversely, if he collects retirement it sends 2 messages:
1. Start vetting your ministers
2. They messed up, so now they have to cut him a check every month. They should be extremely bothered by that, since it's money they can't put toward not helping other people.
Certainly there are more messages, like "crime does pay" and "so does christian pedophilia."
My daughter and son in law belonged to that church briefly. Decided they didn't like it. I don't know what their reasons were, and I didn't ask. Don't really care.
πππ π‘ππ π πππππ‘ βππ ππππ ππππ πππ ππππ‘βπππβπ‘ ππππ’π‘ π πππππ πππππ’ππ βπ βππ ππ£ππ 35 π¦ππππ πππ π€βππ βπ π€ππ ππ βππ π‘π€πππ‘πππ πππ πππππ π‘π βππ π π‘πππ‘πππ πΊππ‘ππ€ππ¦ πΆβπ’ππβ.
Terrific. Morris can be forgiven his trespasses until the cows come home. That doesn't change the fact that HE IS GUILTY OF SEXUAL ABUSE, and REPEATED sexual abuse at that. How he figures he is due retirement pay in the face of his actions is beyond me.
This is a repeating problem with evangelicals. They think that being forgiven their sins is equivalent to being pardoned of the crime they committed.
WRONG!!!
But he made the Public Apology to the Ceiling! The sense of entitlement that comes with that is industrial grade.
To quote an old trope, "TELL IT TO THE JUDGE!"
But he told Ceiling Cat!
Something else occurred to me, when I was reading the bits about 'being forgiven': The wording talks of 'the family' of the child providing forgiveness (this sentence might actually have been a blatant lie), but nowhere does the church or the pastor mention what the 'young lady' (barf!) herself thought. They do not mention her at all. They talk of his 'moral failure' (barf again!), but do not talk of what harm it might have caused her.
In other words, the victim gets IGNORED, and ain't that swell?
No, not remotely.
As if she doesn't count.
She doesn't, she was her father property then.
You don't want to guess how much that "property" crap pisses me off. You see, I have a daughter. She is a good woman, ridiculously sharp, way smarter than I am, and she's my pride and joy.
Property? BULLSHIT.
DM had daughters too.
I retired in a shithole state to be near my daughter, who is associate director of international student services at a state university. She works much harder than I ever did as a United Methodist clergyperson!
Most women victims are ignored while their abusers, who are often in powerful positions, get to continue their lives as if nothing happened. See Amber Heard and her actor ex. Add to that the idea that if someone truly repents, then they are forgiven (which, as a Christian, I agree with) but that does not mean they are inured from prosecution and are subject to the justice system. As for the BS about women being the property of men - we rejected that a long time ago. Well, in certain places anyway. Sorry, my grammar is all over the place, Iβm a bit cross (which is British for βincandescent with rage).
Here in America we called it being really pissed off.
Children exist for them to abuse, in their sick minds.
Exploited. Donβt forget theyβre trying to abolish child labour laws.
They don't care. It's about the money.
Indeed. When you place all value on and prioritize the βafterlifeβ over actual life here on earth, you arenβt living in the present and therefore see no need to take accountability for anything or strive for personal growth.
It is one of the big arguments between the RCC and Evilgelicals - whether or not good works count toward salvation. Makes one wonder just how many of these holy Joes believe in the god they are selling.
Ironically the original protestants gave that up because of the rampant corruption of 'good works' = buying an indulgence. But they just ended replacing it with another form of rampant corruption...
One that continues to persist now. Capitalism actually supports it, too.
Thatβs really disturbing. I personally believe itβs all or mostly self serving.
π§ π§ββοΈ π§ββοΈ π΅
Well, he is a Trump crony and in that circle, they donβt have any issue with stuff like this.
Repeating problem indeed - one in which a pervert poses as a pastor. These people have no scruples , no morals, no ethics. This scumbag and others like him are in it for one reason only - fleece the flock and amass a fortune. Consider the company he keeps.
For the fundies in the back who haven't heard yet: π‘π’π§ π ππ₯ππ π€π¨πππ‘!!
Or anyone on the LGBTQI+ spectrum.
To be factual some male abusers abuse boys.
It happened to me at 11 to 12 years old.
But your point is well taken.
I'm sorry to hear that some (I need new words vile enough) did that to you.
I do feel I need to point out It's debated whether that is homosexuality or pedophilia/ebiphilia. Most such men have adult relationships with women.
In any case the LGBTQ2SIA+ community rejects them.
Personal observation, but people who feel free to live openly as themselves seem to have far less need of finding powerless victims that they can try to hush up than those who stuff themselves all the way in the back of the closet. (Not claiming that it never happens, of course.)
It's almost like, if you can publicly partner with a consenting adult from a gender you're attracted to, you are less likely to seek out someone more vulnerable. But surely it can't be that simple...
I am sorry to hear that.
Beyond that Iβve got no words, just sending you my best wishes.
Doesnβt seem to be a drag queen here, either. Weird.
They never are.
The Christians are ahead by bajillions. Those drag queens really need to up their game if they hope to ever catch up.
His victim should receive his pension. He should be taken to prison
Now, THERE's a concept!
In a just world.
"... a lawsuit that four former church members had filed against Morris for misusing their tithe money and refusing to honor a money-back guarantee he made back in 2022"
Hint for these four church members: if you don't want your pastors to misuse your tithe money, don't give them any and spend your hard earned money for something usefull. Also, you will no longer need a money-back guarantee. If you are denied access to your church for not paying, nothing of value will be lost.
Rule of Acquisition No. 1: "Once you have their money, you never give it back!"
I think it perfectly reasonable to donate 10% of your net income to charities that actually document where the money goes. (Hypocritically, I do not meet the 10% threshold, I like my creature comforts and toys too much)
I have no idea of how much of my net income I donate. Now you made me want to find out.
Xtian/republican=pedophile
He sure doesn't look like a drag queen.
It is simply amazing to me how much money they have to play with. 600 to 800,000 a year? Wassammatta, are there not enough starving children in the world?
Itβs interesting. When one of their own molests a kid, they refer to it as a moral failure. But when a gay person, trans person, or drag queen simply exists, let alone is even near kids, with no threat at all to any child, the full weight of government and the Wrath oβ God must be brought to bear.
Oh, I see what happened. He got βfreedom ministryβ counseling. I guess that means heβs now free of sin? Wait, that doesnβt happen, heβs born with it. It must mean that maybe heβs free to do it again.
βI was involvedβ¦β
βBehavior happenedβ¦.β
β The situation was brought to light β¦β
βIt was confessedβ¦β
It was repentedβ¦β
Itβs clear from the language that itβs the sort of thing that could happen to anyone just walking down the street.
Yes, the language is very revealing. Dontcha luuuurrvve passive grammar constructions?
Lessons will be learned .....
Itβs vitally necessary to put distance between the self and what the selfdoes.
Weasel words is what it all boils down to.
kkkrister hypocrisy is alive and well. Their book calls for my murder. If anyone beats the fuck out of one, just claim "stand your ground" and self-defense. See Lev. 20:13 and paul the hateful.
I wonder what the preachers of the days of yor would have to say about this.
Would they "convict his heart"? Or envy him and take notes?
The Catholic church has documentation going back centuries. No reason to expect other extant denominations not to have had the problem from inception, even if we're only learning about incidents in living generations.
They would do whatever is necessary to get whatever they want.
Noticed that no apologies were offered and no reparations made.
Typical of those scum.
When you apologize to Jesus, what else do you need?
A few million dollars.
It rarely hurts.
Of course, not when jebus has forgiven you, your victim becomes irrelevant.
Bibically-speaking, Morris caused little children to stumble (lose faith in Jesus) by sexually assaulting them.
The Christian's own savior had a solution for this. It involved having a millstone hung around the guilty party's neck and then throwing them into the sea.
Won't work. The earth has an insufficient supply of granite.
Made me laugh.
Made me also think of - could the granite be reused?
Of course they are! when a body is reduced to chum, just attach a new one! I had a Physical geography prof at Michigan State point out that the granite steps will be the last remaining trace of the university campus.
No. You don't want that many floating corpses.
Where do you find a millstone these days. Compost.
Biblical punishment for the win!
I haven't even finished reading the article and I am already blowing a gasket: βinappropriate sexual behavior with a young lady.β - what utter baloney! Let's translate this, it was sexually assaulting a child!
You assaulted a child, you ..... [insert insult of choice!]!
You got away with it for a number of years, but now your behaviour is biting you in the arse and you'll pay for it!
I call it rape. That's what it is since the child cannot give consent.
He literally penetrated her with his finger! That is literally rape!
Yup. And here some males has been found guilty of rape based on that.
Which law would apply in a civil trial ? The one when it was filed or the one when the rape happened ?
I believe definition of the crime, at the time it happened. Minimum sentence at the time of conviction. So, if it wasn't a crime when it happened it can't be charged.
I am not disputing your view. However, there are some 'interesting' definitions of rape in some jurisdictions, hence I decided to stick with the more general term of 'sexual assault'.
Cf E Jean Carroll.
Now heβs just a βfinger rapistβ. I was definitely taking notes when that went down. I was unaware of these suspicious narrow definitions myself.
They donβt like the word rape because it makes them feel icky inside, so we softened the language for them.
I donβt soften it for them. Itβs rape.
Yes,
Salopard de pedo, prends-toi un manche Γ balai dabs ls troufion.
Fucking pedo prick, shove a broomstick up your asshole (the bottom one).
Frank Castle (Punisher) has a more pragmatic solution: https://mediachomp.com/the-punisher-widowmaker-comic-book-excerpt/
A retired pedophile is still a pedophile.
I doubt he ever retired from that.
OT: I didn't take the time to find out what they were peddling, but a couple of god-botherers stopped by this morning. I soon as I saw the pamphlet title 'Pure Worship', I forcefully said (maybe shouted) no and began to close the door. They seemed somewhat shocked, but they turned and left.
JWs.
https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/pure-worship/
I would have looked them straight in the eye and asked them, "Why should I worship something that cannot be bothered to show itself?"
I gots LOTS more questions, too, anytime they wanna show up!
Iβm supposed to be working.
I'm retired, and sometimes, I enjoy sparring with them.
I used to warn them about the dog next door that bit people β then I got tired of it and stopped. Haven't seen one for years now.
Shouting is so much fun. Telling religious pukers where to shove their hate mongering god is so much fun.
He sinned against her again, he bared False witness against her and her father.
He'd know this if he preaches......to others
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"Rules for thee, not for me."
https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2011-05-03
βAll we did was claim to speak for God and suddenly weβre held to a higher standard?β
Once AGAIN, yet ANOTHER pedophile is caught (and he still wants his pension, tax exempt of course). Is the pedophile ___?
A- RELIGIOU$
B- REPUBLIKAN
C- BOTH
Hint: Only 1 answer is correct, all others half correct.
Are you sure this isnβt a trick question?
That money should be payed to his victim.