Beckwith. AGAIN. It's a point that will be made more than once here, I suspect, but if some Muslim said that Christian churches had no right to ring church bells or otherwise advertise their faith, Beckwith would have a shit-fit. THIS is one reason among many that the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment is there.
And it is clear that Micah simply does not get it.
“attacking Islam is “a political winner” for Republicans.”
There it is. All the other ignorant BS is secondary to this. In his state, he believes political authority can rely on sectarian bigotry and that alone.
This is nothing more than the typical Republican FEAR/ANGER play right before midterms, but Trump has taken away those "caravans of illegals" they used to scare the right with.
They started talking about sharia law back in 2010, to fear monger about Obama, THE SECRET MUSLIM. :P
And the Founders had immediate experience with the persecution the Church of England visited upon other mutually incompatible Christian sects. Can you just imagine what Beckwith would visit upon The RCC, The Episcopalians, Methodists, etc? David Barton has gotten his nonsense deep into this bigot’s psyche.
It's funny that people pine for the 1950s or the 1850s, depending on who you talk to-I was born in the 50s, I remember my childhood of measles, mumps and rubella (before vaccines), and my brother almost dying. Getting the sugar cube soaked with polio vaccine at age 3, and kids and women dying of cancer, and mothers on drugs and alcohol.
The 60s were war and death and assassination, the 70s was the first great awakening of how we were killing our planet, and fighting for women's rights.
I don't remember it being all that great.
Sure, as kids we were rather feral, but that was the fun part.
Another Christo-fascist fool who demands religious privilege for himself, while calling for faiths he disagrees with to be silenced. I doubt he is capable of getting his head around the fact his religion isn’t based on any more than the other guy’s. He stands as a classic example why no sane country hands power to the preachers.
What happens when Christians run out of other religions to suppress? If history is any indication, Christians will turn on other Christians. Yet another holy war.
(And who ever came up with the oxymoron "holy war" anyway? Nothing holy about war)
Well, I gotta disagree with you there, Nogodz. Looking at the history of the world, holiness seems to be the key element of war. At least, it’s the favorite excuse.
Your own Jesus told his followers not to be hypocrites by praying/acting in public to be seen by others. He said do it in secret. You gonna try to enforce THAT? Good luck.
Christian heritage? The Declaration of Independence, though not a document of governance, was authored by a Deist. The US Constitution, which is very much the law of the land, was authored by a Deist.
Also the law of the land, the Treaty With Tripoli was authored by Joel Barlow, yet another Deist. And as I always point out, that treaty (Article XI and all) was ratified unanimously without dissent before being proudly signed into law by President John Adams. He was...you guessed it...a Deist.
Beckwith thinks the Coach Kennedy case can be used to prohibit public Islamic calls to prayer? If anything, it sets the precedent that those calls to prayer cannot be prohibited.
Just because he has some friends, good Christian parents who raised a good Christian son, except for the pretty pervy part, you’re going all Millstone on his ass.
"The Freedom From Religion Foundation is applauding a major federal appeals court ruling affirming that religious schools accepting taxpayer funding must comply with state civil rights laws.
In a pair of decisions issued recently by the 1st U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, the court largely upheld Maine’s requirement that private religious schools participating in the state’s publicly funded tuition assistance program must comply with the Maine Human Rights Act. The court rejected arguments by Saint Dominic Academy and Bangor Christian Schools that they have a First Amendment right to receive public funds while discriminating against students based on sexual orientation, gender identity or religion."
We knew this was coming when Trump won the election in 2024. This gave the MAGAs all the ammunition they needed to push their Christian Nationalist agenda upon the entire nation. And just as Communists are the natural enemy of fascists, Muslims are the natural enemies of Christians and have been for thousands of years.
And it's not by mistake that MAGAs are now pushing Communism as an existential threat for the United States. Recall that Roy Cohn was Trump's mentor for many years. The very same Roy Cohn that stood alongside Tailgunner Joe as he destroyed many lives over the "threat" of Communism.
“So Beckwith doesn’t know what he’s talking about. It’s a pattern for him. Because he’s conservative Christian, he knows he can lie constantly and his Republican base will never call him out on it.”
Oh, he knows good and well what he’s talking about. That’s why he’s lying. He’s intentionally telling falsehoods to gin up hate and fear in the base so they keep voting against their best interests and keep him in power and money. I am no longer giving the GOP any benefit of the doubt in regards to motives surrounding lies. No longer considering the “don’t attribute malice when ignorance will do” razor in dealings with the repubelicans. Their actions always end up being intentional and malicious. This is no different. Anyone who has gained an elected position should know that the call to prayer is not death and destruction, and if they do not they aren’t qualified for the position.
Indiana is ranked dead last (50th) in Natural Environment, which includes pollution that is mainly due to heavy industrial toxins, coal-fired power plants and agricultural runoff. Air quality, waterways and industrial toxins all paint a ghastly picture.
Maybe Jerkwith should concentrate on REAL perils to his state.
because “Judeo-Christian principles [are] our heritage
“Heritage” and “states rights” have for too long have been racist dog whistles for Christo-fascists.
I’ve both lived in a majority Muslim city neighborhood at one time and have visited (key visited) a Muslim majority country where the call to prayer happens 5 times day (as it does) and I can’t say that I was as bothered by it as this fellow seems to be in his imagination. In fact, it didn’t really bother me at all.
Oh those pesky Native Americans. It’s the same story around the world thanks to the expansion of colonialism and Abrahamic religions. Speaking of here’s a recent vid of the TR library (which I worked on):
1And I said, Hear, I pray you, O heads of Jacob, and ye princes of the house of Israel; Is it not for you to know judgment?
2Who hate the good, and love the evil; who pluck off their skin from off them, and their flesh from off their bones;
3Who also eat the flesh of my people, and flay their skin from off them; and they break their bones, and chop them in pieces, as for the pot, and as flesh within the caldron.
4Then shall they cry unto the LORD, but he will not hear them: he will even hide his face from them at that time, as they have behaved themselves ill in their doings.
5 Thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that make my people err, that bite with their teeth, and cry, Peace; and he that putteth not into their mouths, they even prepare war against him.
6 Therefore night shall be unto you, that ye shall not have a vision; and it shall be dark unto you, that ye shall not divine; and the sun shall go down over the prophets, and the day shall be dark over them.
7 Then shall the seers be ashamed, and the diviners confounded: yea, they shall all cover their lips; for there is no answer of God.
8 But truly I am full of power by the spirit of the LORD, and of judgment, and of might, to declare unto Jacob his transgression, and to Israel his sin.
9 Hear this, I pray you, ye heads of the house of Jacob, and princes of the house of Israel, that abhor judgment, and pervert all equity.
10 They build up Zion with blood, and Jerusalem with iniquity.
11 The heads thereof judge for reward, and the priests thereof teach for hire, and the prophets thereof divine for money: yet will they lean upon the LORD, and say, Is not the LORD among us? none evil can come upon us.
12 Therefore shall Zion for your sake be plowed as a field, and Jerusalem shall become heaps, and the mountain of the house as the high places of the forest.
Beckwith. AGAIN. It's a point that will be made more than once here, I suspect, but if some Muslim said that Christian churches had no right to ring church bells or otherwise advertise their faith, Beckwith would have a shit-fit. THIS is one reason among many that the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment is there.
And it is clear that Micah simply does not get it.
“attacking Islam is “a political winner” for Republicans.”
There it is. All the other ignorant BS is secondary to this. In his state, he believes political authority can rely on sectarian bigotry and that alone.
This is nothing more than the typical Republican FEAR/ANGER play right before midterms, but Trump has taken away those "caravans of illegals" they used to scare the right with.
They started talking about sharia law back in 2010, to fear monger about Obama, THE SECRET MUSLIM. :P
The amygdala of consewertives is enlarged, which is why they fall for such tactics.
So I've understood. Question becomes: how do we deal with that?
Teach them how to recognize it, and not to trust their knee jerk reactions.
That could be a very big ask.
Beckwith likely thinks that "religion" = "Christianity" and anything else can be prohibited.
And apparently, only certain "Christian" sects are allowed. I expect a Catholic/Protestant war to start any day...
That might not be so bad. Keep them occupied while leaving the rest of us alone
And the Founders had immediate experience with the persecution the Church of England visited upon other mutually incompatible Christian sects. Can you just imagine what Beckwith would visit upon The RCC, The Episcopalians, Methodists, etc? David Barton has gotten his nonsense deep into this bigot’s psyche.
Plus they had witnessed several hundred years of sectarian violence in Europe after the Protestant Reformation.
Hitch was right - religion poisons everything.
They called it The Dark Ages for a reason!!
But it's where these religious zealots want to take us back to
It's funny that people pine for the 1950s or the 1850s, depending on who you talk to-I was born in the 50s, I remember my childhood of measles, mumps and rubella (before vaccines), and my brother almost dying. Getting the sugar cube soaked with polio vaccine at age 3, and kids and women dying of cancer, and mothers on drugs and alcohol.
The 60s were war and death and assassination, the 70s was the first great awakening of how we were killing our planet, and fighting for women's rights.
I don't remember it being all that great.
Sure, as kids we were rather feral, but that was the fun part.
Another Christo-fascist fool who demands religious privilege for himself, while calling for faiths he disagrees with to be silenced. I doubt he is capable of getting his head around the fact his religion isn’t based on any more than the other guy’s. He stands as a classic example why no sane country hands power to the preachers.
What happens when Christians run out of other religions to suppress? If history is any indication, Christians will turn on other Christians. Yet another holy war.
(And who ever came up with the oxymoron "holy war" anyway? Nothing holy about war)
Well, I gotta disagree with you there, Nogodz. Looking at the history of the world, holiness seems to be the key element of war. At least, it’s the favorite excuse.
War is a sort of madness. Sounds like religion, all right.
Didn't YHVH start out as a war god?
He should try that Judeo-Christian lie on a rabbi or two. They'll laugh in his face.
Try That Judeo-Christian Lie On A Rabbi Or Two would be a funny name for a band.
Might not fit on the album cover. Especially in big block letters. And would people ask: "Is that the name of the band or the LP?"
LP? You just dated yourself. ;)
Vinyl made a big comeback. :)
Hey, Beckwith...
Your own Jesus told his followers not to be hypocrites by praying/acting in public to be seen by others. He said do it in secret. You gonna try to enforce THAT? Good luck.
But that's different! They're not praying to be SEEN by others, they're praying to be seen by OTHERS! See the difference?
Kinda like the poster I have, it's not A WOMAN riding a dragon, it's a woman riding A DRAGON.
Christian heritage? The Declaration of Independence, though not a document of governance, was authored by a Deist. The US Constitution, which is very much the law of the land, was authored by a Deist.
Also the law of the land, the Treaty With Tripoli was authored by Joel Barlow, yet another Deist. And as I always point out, that treaty (Article XI and all) was ratified unanimously without dissent before being proudly signed into law by President John Adams. He was...you guessed it...a Deist.
Deist all the way down.
Well, the Turtle is dead, even if the GOP is pulling a standard USSR ploy and not admitting it.
Beckwith thinks the Coach Kennedy case can be used to prohibit public Islamic calls to prayer? If anything, it sets the precedent that those calls to prayer cannot be prohibited.
We gonna stop the bells that lure children to Pastor Pervie's palaces of pedophilia as well? 🤔
Just because he has some friends, good Christian parents who raised a good Christian son, except for the pretty pervy part, you’re going all Millstone on his ass.
I thought I raised you better than that.
Freedom for me but not for thee! Perhaps we could start putting that on the money instead of "In God We Trust"
https://ibb.co/67Qnhh3q
I wish, I wish.
Don’t fear him, Donnie.
🙏 Oh please oh please oh please oh please oh please
OT:
"The Freedom From Religion Foundation is applauding a major federal appeals court ruling affirming that religious schools accepting taxpayer funding must comply with state civil rights laws.
In a pair of decisions issued recently by the 1st U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, the court largely upheld Maine’s requirement that private religious schools participating in the state’s publicly funded tuition assistance program must comply with the Maine Human Rights Act. The court rejected arguments by Saint Dominic Academy and Bangor Christian Schools that they have a First Amendment right to receive public funds while discriminating against students based on sexual orientation, gender identity or religion."
https://ffrf.org/news/releases/ffrf-welcomes-courts-rejection-of-taxpayer-funded-discrimination/
We knew this was coming when Trump won the election in 2024. This gave the MAGAs all the ammunition they needed to push their Christian Nationalist agenda upon the entire nation. And just as Communists are the natural enemy of fascists, Muslims are the natural enemies of Christians and have been for thousands of years.
And it's not by mistake that MAGAs are now pushing Communism as an existential threat for the United States. Recall that Roy Cohn was Trump's mentor for many years. The very same Roy Cohn that stood alongside Tailgunner Joe as he destroyed many lives over the "threat" of Communism.
Dialing up the threat of communism seems to be right in the fascist playbook.
“So Beckwith doesn’t know what he’s talking about. It’s a pattern for him. Because he’s conservative Christian, he knows he can lie constantly and his Republican base will never call him out on it.”
Oh, he knows good and well what he’s talking about. That’s why he’s lying. He’s intentionally telling falsehoods to gin up hate and fear in the base so they keep voting against their best interests and keep him in power and money. I am no longer giving the GOP any benefit of the doubt in regards to motives surrounding lies. No longer considering the “don’t attribute malice when ignorance will do” razor in dealings with the repubelicans. Their actions always end up being intentional and malicious. This is no different. Anyone who has gained an elected position should know that the call to prayer is not death and destruction, and if they do not they aren’t qualified for the position.
Indiana is ranked dead last (50th) in Natural Environment, which includes pollution that is mainly due to heavy industrial toxins, coal-fired power plants and agricultural runoff. Air quality, waterways and industrial toxins all paint a ghastly picture.
Maybe Jerkwith should concentrate on REAL perils to his state.
because “Judeo-Christian principles [are] our heritage
“Heritage” and “states rights” have for too long have been racist dog whistles for Christo-fascists.
I’ve both lived in a majority Muslim city neighborhood at one time and have visited (key visited) a Muslim majority country where the call to prayer happens 5 times day (as it does) and I can’t say that I was as bothered by it as this fellow seems to be in his imagination. In fact, it didn’t really bother me at all.
"Our culture should hold sway because we were here first, dammit!"
"What about the native Americans?"
"Second! Our culture should hold sway because we were here second!"
"What about the French fur trappers?"
"Third! Our culture should be followed by everyone because we were third! But certainly less recent than you!"
Oh those pesky Native Americans. It’s the same story around the world thanks to the expansion of colonialism and Abrahamic religions. Speaking of here’s a recent vid of the TR library (which I worked on):
https://www.instagram.com/p/DaiQDY3lY66/?img_index=10&igsh=dm01eHZ2cnV0Nmhh
Oh strange it doesn’t seem to link directly to the video, but you can see all the different groups of people celebrating and/or protesting
Only a bigoted asshole would think these words are a call for death and destruction:
Allahu Akbar (God is the Greatest)
Ash-hadu an la ilaha illallah (I bear witness that there is no god but God)
Ash-hadu anna Muhammadan Rasoolallah (I bear witness that Muhammad is the messenger of God)
Hayya ‘alas-Salah (Rush to prayer)
Hayya ‘alal-Falah (Rush to success)
Allahu Akbar (God is the Greatest)
La ilaha illallah (There is no god but God)
Makes me laugh when xtians call others violent.
While Micah says:
1And I said, Hear, I pray you, O heads of Jacob, and ye princes of the house of Israel; Is it not for you to know judgment?
2Who hate the good, and love the evil; who pluck off their skin from off them, and their flesh from off their bones;
3Who also eat the flesh of my people, and flay their skin from off them; and they break their bones, and chop them in pieces, as for the pot, and as flesh within the caldron.
4Then shall they cry unto the LORD, but he will not hear them: he will even hide his face from them at that time, as they have behaved themselves ill in their doings.
5 Thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that make my people err, that bite with their teeth, and cry, Peace; and he that putteth not into their mouths, they even prepare war against him.
6 Therefore night shall be unto you, that ye shall not have a vision; and it shall be dark unto you, that ye shall not divine; and the sun shall go down over the prophets, and the day shall be dark over them.
7 Then shall the seers be ashamed, and the diviners confounded: yea, they shall all cover their lips; for there is no answer of God.
8 But truly I am full of power by the spirit of the LORD, and of judgment, and of might, to declare unto Jacob his transgression, and to Israel his sin.
9 Hear this, I pray you, ye heads of the house of Jacob, and princes of the house of Israel, that abhor judgment, and pervert all equity.
10 They build up Zion with blood, and Jerusalem with iniquity.
11 The heads thereof judge for reward, and the priests thereof teach for hire, and the prophets thereof divine for money: yet will they lean upon the LORD, and say, Is not the LORD among us? none evil can come upon us.
12 Therefore shall Zion for your sake be plowed as a field, and Jerusalem shall become heaps, and the mountain of the house as the high places of the forest.
𝑆𝑜 𝐵𝑒𝑐𝑘𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑑𝑜𝑒𝑠𝑛’𝑡 𝑘𝑛𝑜𝑤 𝑤ℎ𝑎𝑡 ℎ𝑒’𝑠 𝑡𝑎𝑙𝑘𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑎𝑏𝑜𝑢𝑡. 𝐼𝑡’𝑠 𝑎 𝑝𝑎𝑡𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑛 𝑓𝑜𝑟 ℎ𝑖𝑚. 𝐵𝑒𝑐𝑎𝑢𝑠𝑒 ℎ𝑒’𝑠 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑠𝑒𝑟𝑣𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑣𝑒 𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑎𝑛
You can just put the period there.