Amazing. Indiana has anywhere between 8,700 to 11,500 xtian congregations/organizations, yet Rokita wants to ignore all those and "plant the flag" on the statehouse lawn, which is not xtian. Or any other religion.
These efforts to install the Ten Commandments in the public square are all about Christians attempting to assert their sense of privilege, and nothing more. It isn't as if this monument will ever make a bit of difference when it comes to affecting human behavior. Eight of the Commandments would be unconstitutional should anyone try writing them into law so I don't know how they can claim the country is somehow based on them.
Oh, ferchrissake! Not this again! The movie got promoted, made its pile, and now gets shown on Easter Sunday night with Edward G Robinson “Where’s your golden calf, now?”, Yul Brynner’s “Moh-ses”, and Charlton Heston’s “Let my people go!”. It’s as hoary as the Wizard of Oz, but not as good. Hey, Hoosiers! Indiana has real problems with its 1854 Constitution, and if you want something to do, try revising and updating it! This culture war stuff is as bad as the KKK types who still want it displayed on the lawn. And the next thing will be “a moment of non-sectarian silence”, or prayer, followed by daily inspirations that just happen to be Bible verses. Then the fear-of-sex education, long on genital warts and abstinence, missing contraception and labor and delivery. Then the “controversy” between evolution and “Intelligent Design.” If Intelligent Design can be taught as science, then Redaction Criticism ought to be taught as literature or religion.
There are so many new and interesting things to learn. Why is this centuries-old controversy continuing to get votes for AM radio show hosts like Mike Pence?
It blows my mind that people are okay with this. Like, doesn't your state administration have better things to do with their time? Are they happy that their tax money is paying for these theatrics? Is everything so great in Indiana that there is absolutely NOTHING more important? Are the streets paved in gold and manna falling from heaven every morning? Why are people so foolish?
Indeed. None of this makes ANY of our lives better. It is a tiresome and ridiculously repeated exercise in virtue-signaling and territory-marking, as I stated elsewhere. Yet they do it because they think it advances Christianity, when what it really does is piss people off as much as anything else.
What's the harm? Millions of taxpayer dollars wasted that could have gone to education or feeding hungry people or housing (among many other far more useful thongs that money could do).
At least they admit that it's about pandering to the base to maintain their power.
I see the possibility of a really good documentary here: "The Game of the Ten Commandments." It would document in detail all the efforts made by various religious groups to insert the 10Cs into public spaces and the action behind the scenes, such as what Hemant reports here, of the supercilious reasons and rationales behind their actions.
Only problem is that no commercial network would carry it, though PBS's Frontline could do a damned fine job with it. Maybe Alex Gibney, too!
Indiana, sometimes known as the "Mississippi of the North," wants to take another shot at putting the 10Cs on the Statehouse lawn. And once again, I have to ask: how many times do we have to go through this, how many different ways in how many different locations, before those who try these harebrained schemes get the message? Yes, yes, I know, they don't WANT to get the message, and as Hemant says, it's all a game with them.
A game that costs taxpayer money and court time that is better spent elsewhere.
There are the panderers for whom this is a stunt meant to maintain their power, and there are the true believers who hate the Establishment Clause unless they can use it to punish non-Christians. How close to a circle that Venn diagram is is left as an exercise for the reader.
"True" christers are the ones that pick and choose which scriptures to follow. Matthew 6:5-6 is not just about praying in public as a hypocritical display of virtue, it is also against wearing of crosses in the modern day and can be also against putting up the ten commandments and bible verses for everyone to see. Mythical Zombie Jesus would be especially appalled at people wearing symbols of the ancient torture device.
I know I sound like a broken record, but the Ten Commandments were meant ONLY for the Israelites and no one else. Christians didn't even exist at rhe time, let alone the United States.
Hey, Todd...
Bet you don't know what the actual 10 Commandments are. They sure aren't the ones YOU'RE thinking of.
Go ahead. Try getting THOSE 10 Commandments put up at the statehouse. Watch the reaction.
Most (if not ALL) of these rubes don't even know the other versions exist!
It makes me wonder just how the traditional set of ten-ish got the label whole the ones explicitly named the ten did not.
That is a question that is damned well worth an intelligent answer!
Wait there were 15 commandments not 10. Really, my faith is enough for me to believe it.
History proves it - watch for yourself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I48hr8HhDv0
Oy.
Nothing, I gonisht.
Amazing. Indiana has anywhere between 8,700 to 11,500 xtian congregations/organizations, yet Rokita wants to ignore all those and "plant the flag" on the statehouse lawn, which is not xtian. Or any other religion.
Put it up at YOUR house, Todd.
These efforts to install the Ten Commandments in the public square are all about Christians attempting to assert their sense of privilege, and nothing more. It isn't as if this monument will ever make a bit of difference when it comes to affecting human behavior. Eight of the Commandments would be unconstitutional should anyone try writing them into law so I don't know how they can claim the country is somehow based on them.
Virtue-signaling and territory marking. That sums it up in five words.
Someone tell Joe Kennedy that someone is peeing on their own hands again.
That man gives new meaning to the word, "clueless." He belongs in the Senate about as much as a hole in the head. 😝
He cultivates that fake "folksy" persona but he really just comes off as a moronic @$$.
Someone grab a newspaper and bop them on the nose for peeing on public property.
When you travel to Indiana, remember to set your watch back. Thirty years.
A bit more than 30. Far closer to 70, and I am being generous here.
Oh, ferchrissake! Not this again! The movie got promoted, made its pile, and now gets shown on Easter Sunday night with Edward G Robinson “Where’s your golden calf, now?”, Yul Brynner’s “Moh-ses”, and Charlton Heston’s “Let my people go!”. It’s as hoary as the Wizard of Oz, but not as good. Hey, Hoosiers! Indiana has real problems with its 1854 Constitution, and if you want something to do, try revising and updating it! This culture war stuff is as bad as the KKK types who still want it displayed on the lawn. And the next thing will be “a moment of non-sectarian silence”, or prayer, followed by daily inspirations that just happen to be Bible verses. Then the fear-of-sex education, long on genital warts and abstinence, missing contraception and labor and delivery. Then the “controversy” between evolution and “Intelligent Design.” If Intelligent Design can be taught as science, then Redaction Criticism ought to be taught as literature or religion.
There are so many new and interesting things to learn. Why is this centuries-old controversy continuing to get votes for AM radio show hosts like Mike Pence?
It blows my mind that people are okay with this. Like, doesn't your state administration have better things to do with their time? Are they happy that their tax money is paying for these theatrics? Is everything so great in Indiana that there is absolutely NOTHING more important? Are the streets paved in gold and manna falling from heaven every morning? Why are people so foolish?
They will continue until the ACLU gets tired of playing https://youtube.com/watch?v=59R9cICSEjg
The last sentence says it all, doesn’t it? 🤦♀️
Indeed. None of this makes ANY of our lives better. It is a tiresome and ridiculously repeated exercise in virtue-signaling and territory-marking, as I stated elsewhere. Yet they do it because they think it advances Christianity, when what it really does is piss people off as much as anything else.
It’s almost like someone opened up the gates to Toontown and the loony tunes keep pouring out 🤣
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M78sYaGjvv8&ra=m
Why not place the monument with the Bill of Rights and the Indiana Constitution’s Preamble on the front and the 10 Suggestions* on the back?
* As long as it's the real 10, not the Charlton Heston film 10 that usually get put up on public property.
Even the Heston set is in proto-Hebrew and not English. :)
Its ironic that both documents are on the same plaque to begin with.
“𝑇ℎ𝑎𝑡’𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑤𝑎𝑦 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑔𝑎𝑚𝑒 𝑖𝑠 𝑝𝑙𝑎𝑦𝑒𝑑, 𝑖𝑠𝑛’𝑡 𝑖𝑡?” ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑎𝑖𝑑. “𝑊𝑒 𝑎𝑣𝑜𝑖𝑑 𝑡𝑎𝑘𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑎 ℎ𝑖𝑡 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑢𝑚𝑝𝑒𝑟𝑠”—𝐵𝑖𝑏𝑙𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑢𝑚𝑝𝑒𝑟𝑠, ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑚 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑔𝑖𝑜𝑢𝑠 𝑟𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑡—“𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑐𝑜𝑢𝑟𝑡𝑠 𝑐𝑙𝑒𝑎𝑛 𝑢𝑝 𝑎𝑓𝑡𝑒𝑟 𝑢𝑠.”
𝐻𝑒 𝑠ℎ𝑟𝑢𝑔𝑔𝑒𝑑 ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑠ℎ𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑𝑒𝑟𝑠, 𝑎𝑠 𝑖𝑓 𝑡𝑜 𝑎𝑠𝑘, “𝑤ℎ𝑎𝑡’𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒 ℎ𝑎𝑟𝑚?”
What's the harm? Millions of taxpayer dollars wasted that could have gone to education or feeding hungry people or housing (among many other far more useful thongs that money could do).
At least they admit that it's about pandering to the base to maintain their power.
I see the possibility of a really good documentary here: "The Game of the Ten Commandments." It would document in detail all the efforts made by various religious groups to insert the 10Cs into public spaces and the action behind the scenes, such as what Hemant reports here, of the supercilious reasons and rationales behind their actions.
Only problem is that no commercial network would carry it, though PBS's Frontline could do a damned fine job with it. Maybe Alex Gibney, too!
Straight to YouTube. Mr Beat, The Cynical Historian, and other history YouTubers out there might like the challenge.
HA! That's something I hadn't thought of! Thanks!
Indiana (Mike Pence country) has the worst pollution of any state in the US. Where's Rokita's attention on THAT?
But-but-but ... We're a Christian Nashun!!! 🤦♂️
What, AGAIN???
Indiana, sometimes known as the "Mississippi of the North," wants to take another shot at putting the 10Cs on the Statehouse lawn. And once again, I have to ask: how many times do we have to go through this, how many different ways in how many different locations, before those who try these harebrained schemes get the message? Yes, yes, I know, they don't WANT to get the message, and as Hemant says, it's all a game with them.
A game that costs taxpayer money and court time that is better spent elsewhere.
There are the panderers for whom this is a stunt meant to maintain their power, and there are the true believers who hate the Establishment Clause unless they can use it to punish non-Christians. How close to a circle that Venn diagram is is left as an exercise for the reader.
"True" christers are the ones that pick and choose which scriptures to follow. Matthew 6:5-6 is not just about praying in public as a hypocritical display of virtue, it is also against wearing of crosses in the modern day and can be also against putting up the ten commandments and bible verses for everyone to see. Mythical Zombie Jesus would be especially appalled at people wearing symbols of the ancient torture device.
People who WEAR crosses have no idea what it is to be ON a cross!
Jesus was a lich.
https://img.getfn.io/images/0f5265ab004763ecc3276f0877670aa61b3ed286f1614a03a61cc71ae1662fea_1.jpg
I know I sound like a broken record, but the Ten Commandments were meant ONLY for the Israelites and no one else. Christians didn't even exist at rhe time, let alone the United States.
But the immortals in Highlander would "feel a pull to a faraway land...to fight for the Prize"