I think it's more insidious and they are just arguing in bad faith because they know that half the voting populace is idiots who just like getting their ears tickled and this is the vibe they are into right now
I agree. I was just snarking. Redefining words is one of their MOs. I don’t think they are interested in honest discussion. If they were, they wouldn’t redefine words.
I’m also fond of pointing out that most of the secularists in the US are Christians. Baptists don’t want the government to be Catholic and vice versa.
Vance needs a lesson as to just who the 7 key founders were that had the greatest influence on our form of government. 5 Deists, 1 mostly unobservant Christian and 1 orthodox Christian. That's it.
And even if they were deeply religious, what matters far more is what they actually wrote into the constitution. Where they were very strict that there would not be an established church in the new state, that there would be no religious requirements for public office holders, that there would be a separation of church and state.
They never mention Section III of Article VI that bans religious tests for holding public office in the United States. That provision is a very strange thing to include in the foundational document of a country whose founders intended to include religion in government. Article VI also predates the Bill of Rights which says all you need to know about how the founders felt about the issue.
Christianity is not 1 religion. It is a conglomeration of related but mostly mutually-exclusive sects under a banner. JD Couchmolester is a convert to the RCC. The translation of the decalogue in their bible is substantially different from that in the KJ, NSRV, the JW translation, and the Jewish Study bible. Yet it is always the KJ which is enshrined by these halfwits.
I have long felt the staggering number of Christian tribes should be a far bigger problem for believers than it is. It speaks to a divine being who supposedly willed the universe into existence, but when it came to the most important message imaginable . . . couldn't make himself understood.
All seeing, all knowing, and all powerful and can’t even get all the many Christian tribes to sing from the same hymnal or agree to use the one and only bible…
Fun fact about the KJV: it was commissioned for the singular purpose of King James manufacturing permission to have unrestrained sex with his gay male lover.
Kinda surprised JDivan went Catholic. I guess for clout? If he bothered to read his supposed version, he'd see the difference. Also Catholics have all those books in their Bible that aren't regarded as canon by the yahoos he's sucking up to. Which are just as old as the KJV ones are.
Not that he's actually Catholic, what with hectoring Pope Chicago Bob on theology and killing Francis. We know he's serving Mammon and himself and denying his ALLEGED gayness.
I'm not religious and nobody in my family's been Catholic since the Reformation (I think), but on the whole, Leo seems like an okay guy. Out there reminding people what's actually written in the Bible, which is his job.
BUT, but. but, but, but, but the Declaration of Independence has the word Creator, and with a capital, C. That trumps all the other arguments. Trumps/trumps? Not sure. Anyway, I can't find a better argument.
JD Vance, Christian Apologist ... WANNABE. Add to that a man who clearly has no understanding of how the minority might feel about constantly being confronted with a proselytizing faith that, oh, by the way, wants to superimpose itself on our democracy. Vance's lame explanations are of the same stripe as what we saw yesterday when Clayton and Blanche were in front of Congressional committees, playing Duck, Dodge, and Hyde with their ... gad, I can hardly call them "responses" to the questions posed to them.
And a considerable chunk of me wishes that SOME interviewer, getting this same crap from some Republican, would simply say, "STOP. You are not answering the question. You are playing games because you don't want to upset Donald Trump. If you can't be bothered to give a straight answer to a straight question, WHY SHOULD I BOTHER TALKING TO YOU AT ALL?"
Would be nice, wouldn't it.
P.S.: I'm going to be outta here for a little bit, back in a couple hours. Y'all have fun!
Y'all or you all is already redundant since you can mean a single individual or a group. All y'all or all you all is doubly redundant and just pains me to read or hear.
I'm not sure where you are, but around here it'd be pointless. 'yous' is so entrenched in the vernacular, it just is.
I actually had a conversation with someone about this a while ago and we agreed that the vernacular (re)recreated a 2nd Person Plural option which (current) formal English no longer has. It is as if the speaker needs some way to distinguish between 2nd Person Singular and 2nd Person Plural ... it's actually a quirk of modern English that there is no distinction, it's all 'you'.
I'm positive on Vance giving long-form interviews like this...because I think they reduce his chance of being elected President. He's does "try to please everyone" so badly that, after events like this, nobody considers him their choice. Evangelicals will see his responses as insufficiently supportive, Catholics will see it as an obvious sell-out, and nones will see it as naive idiocy. And you know what? They're all correct.
"Vance never offered a serious defense of the Texas law. Instead, he offered Rogan a series of lies and deliberate mischaracterizations meant to make Christian supremacy sound like harmless cultural appreciation. "
Lies are all they have. Remaining in any sect of this cult is implicit endorsement of christian nationalism.
How do you know a Christian is lying? He’s talking about his religion
Virtually everything that ShayDee had to say was a lie. The reality is simple: purely theological concerns have no business in the civil law that governs all of us. If you can say with a straight face that you’re not promoting one particular flavor of Christianity when five of the 10 Commandments you cannot name deal directly with religious practice and belief, then you long ago lost the ability to distinguish between truth and lies.
"At 57:00, Vance stressed, “If I’m in a 95% Christian community and my local city council wants to put up a Nativity display on, you know, Christmas Eve, I’m okay with that.”"
The district where I live is strongly progressive. We chose this district because it has a reputation for being strongly progressive. It is amazingly diverse: pretty much the whole spectrum of religions exists, including those who practice no religion at all; we have a wide range of nationalities and races; we have gay and straight couples; we protect our trans neighbors; we actively protect our immigrant neighbors from ICE.
I put up a crèche at Christmas. Mary, Joseph, Jesus and the Magi are all dark-skinned. The reason they’re dark-skinned is because the original Mary, Joseph, Jesus and the Magi were dark-skinned Middle Easterners.
A church in our neighborhood went farther: they placed each member of the Holy Family in a separate cage, with nothing to protect them from the elements.
I love November and December in our district. I love celebrating Diwali, Thanksgiving, the first Sunday in Advent, Hanukkah, Yule, Christmas Eve and Christmas, and New Year’s (which is what my partner and I celebrate in lieu of December 25: many years ago, I realized I could no longer handle the crassness and the commercialization of Christmas, so I broke with the December 25 tradition. We treat ourselves to a really nice restaurant for Christmas dinner.). Everybody celebrates everybody else’s holiday, and we’re all cool with it.
One of our neighbors was hard-core MAGA. We came out one morning to find our crèche has been burned to the ground. Other neighbors came out to find that their Christmas lights had been cut just above the plug which went into the external outlets, so their Christmas decorations were ruined. Ring cameras showed that it was the MAGA neighbor who had done this, but the police said since they weren’t there to witness it, they couldn’t do anything about it. 🤬
Derechos and tornadoes are very common during the late spring and summer where I live. We had four derechos last summer, which knocked out power to the neighborhood. During three of these derechos, our neighbor was out of town. We called to report that our power was out, but we didn’t call in for the MAGA neighbor to report his power was out.
When he returned from his trip, the temperature was already well into the 90s and his house had no power. The food in his refrigerator had exploded. He had to have a hazmat team come in and professionally clean his kitchen and dining room.
This summer, Mr. MAGA moved away. We celebrated his leaving by having a large block party. Since I’m from the Southwest, I brought in Mexican foods which I had prepared, including mole made from scratch and served with poblanos rellenos. I also made spinach/Swiss cheese enchiladas.
No one held a gun to the head of our MAGA neighbor and told him he had to be a MAGA asshole. He chose to be an asshole on his own volition. He managed to offend just about every single person on our block; and none of us were the least bit sorry to see him move away.
We just hope we have blessed him out of our existence.
Anecdote: We went to a local Indian restaurant the other night and I ordered a curry dish. The server asked if I wanted mild, medium or hot? I selected hot. Then she asked, American hot or Indian hot? Not having dined there before, I went with American. It was plenty spicy but I think I'll try Indian hot next time.
I discovered enchiladas mole poblano, courtesy of Lopez y Gonzalez, Partners in Food, some 45 years ago. The mole had serious attitude and monster flavor. I've had mole in other places, but those never measured up.
So did I. Learned the RC version by the time I was in kindergarten. (I was a proper little robot. Had the catholic prayerbook memorized by the age of 2.)
Vance has no convictions other than Power. The Powerful rule. The meek submit or else.
I mean... he literally serves a man who worships power and money, not God.
He serves a man who plasters his name and graven image everywhere he can.
He serves a man uses the name of God to promote himself while doing things to dishonor God.
He serves a man who spends more time doing literally anything else than setting foot in a church.
He serves a man who has stolen. Stolen money from his own charity. Stolen money from the people who work for him. Stolen money from the taxpayers.
He serves a man who has committed murder.
He serves a man who has dishonored his father and mother with his every word and action and that is a difficult thing to do considering his parents.
He serves a man who has committed adultery multiple times.
He serves a man whose entire being is coveting. Be it coveting attention, coveting goods, coveting wealth. Coveting land. Coveting his neighbor's wife.
Every day, good Christian Vance gets up and goes and carries out the will of a man who treats the commandments he supposedly reveres as a goddamned square of toilet paper.
So fuck you, J.D. Hypocrite.
All you're doing is trying to impose a hellish and damned hierarchy on Americans with yourself on top, and everyone else forced to bow and scrape and accept your shit. You're trying to force your beliefs in power on everyone else denying them the liberty of their faith and conscience and teaching their own children about such personal matters in the name of control.
We should put that to the test. Someone should make sure that the Seven Tenets of the Satanic Temple are prominently displayed wherever he goes. See how long before he is offended.
I can believe him when he says that he would not be offended. But he'd feel the need to play offended, because in his mind he needs to play to the base.
Trump 'collects' the base with ease (apologies, I can't think of a better phrase), but everyone else will have to work at it. Which means that you'll see all of the princelings like Vance, like Rubio, like ... maybe even one of the junior Trumps make moves which they think will play to the various influential groups of the base.
Vance has a remarkable talent for infuriating just about every group he speaks to. Liberal over-reach in Texas? You would have to be out of your mind to make that claim. Conservative Christians can NEVER stop trying to force their religion into the public schools, paid for with everyone’s tax dollars. They would go out of their tiny little minds at the mere suggestion any religion other than their own be represented. Christians know they’re losing the long game so they engage in a desperate attempt to get government to backstop their religion. It won’t work. They do, however, excel at playing the poor, persecuted victims of the Godless left.
He is the AntiCharisma. Were he to land the big chair after tRump, I could see him unintentionally hammering a wooden stake through the heart of the MAGA coalition.
“Vance stated, “I would not be offended if I sat in a classroom as a Christian, or if my kids sat in a classroom as a Christian, and saw, you know, a religious text that wasn’t Christian on the wall.””
He might not (as if I would ever believe him after he said on camera with a serious face that he will say anything to get the media to take him seriously) but plenty of other Christians have proven his point wrong. How often have we seen stories about parents flipping their shit over lessons on the five pillars of Islam, or having yoga in gym class, or being exposed to art from Islam on museum field trips or in art textbooks? I’m calling bullshit.
And all this time I thought Vance WAS dumb! Now you're telling me he's playing dumb? I thought he was trying to play smart, and failing miserably. And I just have to ask, why are Christians so enamored with the Jewish part of the bible instead of the Christian part?? What a bunch of illiterate hypocrites.
They're enamored of it because "death if you disobey our rules" aligns much better with their hard-right ideas about society than Jesus' hippy dippy help-the-poor stuff.
Been up since 2.00, can't sleep ... Rogan is a nong. Why anyone would take any notice of him has always escaped me. Besides, he is partially responsible for trump, and is now whining about him. He can fuck right off. As can Vance, who is a hypocritical slimeball. (grumpy from lack of sleep :) ).
Furniture connoisseur Vance "played" dumb? Oh, he's not playing at all.
𝑌𝑜𝑢’𝑟𝑒 𝑗𝑢𝑠𝑡 𝑡𝑎𝑘𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑔𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑟𝑒𝑝𝑙𝑎𝑐𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑖𝑡 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑠𝑒𝑐𝑢𝑙𝑎𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑚.
Mr Vance:
"Secular" means neutrality towards religion, not absence of religion.
It’s almost like English isn’t their native tongue.
I think it's more insidious and they are just arguing in bad faith because they know that half the voting populace is idiots who just like getting their ears tickled and this is the vibe they are into right now
I agree. I was just snarking. Redefining words is one of their MOs. I don’t think they are interested in honest discussion. If they were, they wouldn’t redefine words.
I’m also fond of pointing out that most of the secularists in the US are Christians. Baptists don’t want the government to be Catholic and vice versa.
Generations of Christian homeschooling will do that.
He is a typical word niggler. Most demons are.
Don’t insult demons by grouping him with them.
Vance needs a lesson as to just who the 7 key founders were that had the greatest influence on our form of government. 5 Deists, 1 mostly unobservant Christian and 1 orthodox Christian. That's it.
Not exactly overwhelming Christian numbers.
And even if they were deeply religious, what matters far more is what they actually wrote into the constitution. Where they were very strict that there would not be an established church in the new state, that there would be no religious requirements for public office holders, that there would be a separation of church and state.
They never mention Section III of Article VI that bans religious tests for holding public office in the United States. That provision is a very strange thing to include in the foundational document of a country whose founders intended to include religion in government. Article VI also predates the Bill of Rights which says all you need to know about how the founders felt about the issue.
And they stay as far as they can from Article XI in the Treaty With Tripoli. That one has them shouting I CAN’T HEAR YOU! LALALALA!
They also see a blank space in every bible where Matthew 6:5 and Leviticus 19:33 are.
Christianity is not 1 religion. It is a conglomeration of related but mostly mutually-exclusive sects under a banner. JD Couchmolester is a convert to the RCC. The translation of the decalogue in their bible is substantially different from that in the KJ, NSRV, the JW translation, and the Jewish Study bible. Yet it is always the KJ which is enshrined by these halfwits.
I have long felt the staggering number of Christian tribes should be a far bigger problem for believers than it is. It speaks to a divine being who supposedly willed the universe into existence, but when it came to the most important message imaginable . . . couldn't make himself understood.
All seeing, all knowing, and all powerful and can’t even get all the many Christian tribes to sing from the same hymnal or agree to use the one and only bible…
Give him a break. He has to wade through 45,000 different xtians sects. He's not as young as he used to be and can't remember them all.
And there's iron chariots everywhere he turns now.
Fun fact about the KJV: it was commissioned for the singular purpose of King James manufacturing permission to have unrestrained sex with his gay male lover.
https://bemusedlybespectacled.tumblr.com/post/163905777629/witchedybitchedy-rubywednesday-thecharge
Now, you’ll just make their heads explode.
That never happens. I am always disappointed.
https://youtu.be/4w7TOzYu5V4
Kinda surprised JDivan went Catholic. I guess for clout? If he bothered to read his supposed version, he'd see the difference. Also Catholics have all those books in their Bible that aren't regarded as canon by the yahoos he's sucking up to. Which are just as old as the KJV ones are.
Not that he's actually Catholic, what with hectoring Pope Chicago Bob on theology and killing Francis. We know he's serving Mammon and himself and denying his ALLEGED gayness.
I'm not religious and nobody in my family's been Catholic since the Reformation (I think), but on the whole, Leo seems like an okay guy. Out there reminding people what's actually written in the Bible, which is his job.
He was Peter Thiel's rentboy for a while... may still be and I believe he is the one who got the JD FurnitureFornicator to convert.
That is so. Common knowledge amongst non-magats. Funny that they went with a famously anti-gay church... but if you think about it, well yeah.
I don't know why Couchfuck McGee is so robotic though. We all remember the donut shop where he was confused by our hooman ways.
Just like his amoral boss, facts are nothing more than an inconvenience. Rogan should have asked Vance why his boss has broken so many of the TCs.
Rogan would never ask a real question like that. It would confuse the manosphere.
Yes, he's not there to make them think! Quite the opposite.
The only time that man asks a "serious" question, it's to spark a new culture war conspiracy theory.
BUT, but. but, but, but, but the Declaration of Independence has the word Creator, and with a capital, C. That trumps all the other arguments. Trumps/trumps? Not sure. Anyway, I can't find a better argument.
JD Vance, Christian Apologist ... WANNABE. Add to that a man who clearly has no understanding of how the minority might feel about constantly being confronted with a proselytizing faith that, oh, by the way, wants to superimpose itself on our democracy. Vance's lame explanations are of the same stripe as what we saw yesterday when Clayton and Blanche were in front of Congressional committees, playing Duck, Dodge, and Hyde with their ... gad, I can hardly call them "responses" to the questions posed to them.
And a considerable chunk of me wishes that SOME interviewer, getting this same crap from some Republican, would simply say, "STOP. You are not answering the question. You are playing games because you don't want to upset Donald Trump. If you can't be bothered to give a straight answer to a straight question, WHY SHOULD I BOTHER TALKING TO YOU AT ALL?"
Would be nice, wouldn't it.
P.S.: I'm going to be outta here for a little bit, back in a couple hours. Y'all have fun!
Ossoff pretty much did say that.
GOOD. Someone needed to do that. I'm glad it was Jon. The man has bearing.
Y'all? Y'all??
At least it wasn't 'guys' .....
:-)
At least it wasn't "all y'all".
as in Y’all Quaeda?
I enjoy the wordplay on that one.
Thank you. I will modestly confess to stealing it. But that’s because I wasn’t raised as a Christian
Seth Andrews has been known to go there, and I can't bring myself to object.
Y'all or you all is already redundant since you can mean a single individual or a group. All y'all or all you all is doubly redundant and just pains me to read or hear.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/you
“doubly redundant”
In other words redundantly redundant.
Call the Department of Redundancy Department! I hear they're currently hiring and recruiting right now. ;)
Is that like the 5 d's of dodgeball?
Dodge, duck, dip, dive, and dodge.
What about “yous” that one triggers me.
"Yous guys". Usually used by low-class NYC characters. A favorite of Damon Runyon.
I'm not sure where you are, but around here it'd be pointless. 'yous' is so entrenched in the vernacular, it just is.
I actually had a conversation with someone about this a while ago and we agreed that the vernacular (re)recreated a 2nd Person Plural option which (current) formal English no longer has. It is as if the speaker needs some way to distinguish between 2nd Person Singular and 2nd Person Plural ... it's actually a quirk of modern English that there is no distinction, it's all 'you'.
One that I hate reading is “here! Here!”
I always respond with “where, where?”
https://youtu.be/9Gt3QY2Aa2I
There! There!
Probably "Hear, hear": as used in parliamentary reports as a form of agreement by Members.
What's your stance on "you folks"?
I'm positive on Vance giving long-form interviews like this...because I think they reduce his chance of being elected President. He's does "try to please everyone" so badly that, after events like this, nobody considers him their choice. Evangelicals will see his responses as insufficiently supportive, Catholics will see it as an obvious sell-out, and nones will see it as naive idiocy. And you know what? They're all correct.
Trump named Vance as the heir apparent of MAGA. MAGA is NOGO on Vance. They hate him.
When Trump is gone, his cult goes with him.
We can only hope.
Vance doesn’t have a shot in hell of being elected!
The only way he can be wanted is on a poster.
"Vance never offered a serious defense of the Texas law. Instead, he offered Rogan a series of lies and deliberate mischaracterizations meant to make Christian supremacy sound like harmless cultural appreciation. "
Lies are all they have. Remaining in any sect of this cult is implicit endorsement of christian nationalism.
The GOP has become the Party of LIES, of deflection, obfuscation, misdirection. Anything but the truth.
And it saddens me to type those words.
How do you know a Christian is lying? He’s talking about his religion
Virtually everything that ShayDee had to say was a lie. The reality is simple: purely theological concerns have no business in the civil law that governs all of us. If you can say with a straight face that you’re not promoting one particular flavor of Christianity when five of the 10 Commandments you cannot name deal directly with religious practice and belief, then you long ago lost the ability to distinguish between truth and lies.
Couchmolester can distinguish between truth and lies: truth is what he hides and lies are what he spreads.
Shady Vance Pants
"At 57:00, Vance stressed, “If I’m in a 95% Christian community and my local city council wants to put up a Nativity display on, you know, Christmas Eve, I’m okay with that.”"
The district where I live is strongly progressive. We chose this district because it has a reputation for being strongly progressive. It is amazingly diverse: pretty much the whole spectrum of religions exists, including those who practice no religion at all; we have a wide range of nationalities and races; we have gay and straight couples; we protect our trans neighbors; we actively protect our immigrant neighbors from ICE.
I put up a crèche at Christmas. Mary, Joseph, Jesus and the Magi are all dark-skinned. The reason they’re dark-skinned is because the original Mary, Joseph, Jesus and the Magi were dark-skinned Middle Easterners.
A church in our neighborhood went farther: they placed each member of the Holy Family in a separate cage, with nothing to protect them from the elements.
I love November and December in our district. I love celebrating Diwali, Thanksgiving, the first Sunday in Advent, Hanukkah, Yule, Christmas Eve and Christmas, and New Year’s (which is what my partner and I celebrate in lieu of December 25: many years ago, I realized I could no longer handle the crassness and the commercialization of Christmas, so I broke with the December 25 tradition. We treat ourselves to a really nice restaurant for Christmas dinner.). Everybody celebrates everybody else’s holiday, and we’re all cool with it.
One of our neighbors was hard-core MAGA. We came out one morning to find our crèche has been burned to the ground. Other neighbors came out to find that their Christmas lights had been cut just above the plug which went into the external outlets, so their Christmas decorations were ruined. Ring cameras showed that it was the MAGA neighbor who had done this, but the police said since they weren’t there to witness it, they couldn’t do anything about it. 🤬
Derechos and tornadoes are very common during the late spring and summer where I live. We had four derechos last summer, which knocked out power to the neighborhood. During three of these derechos, our neighbor was out of town. We called to report that our power was out, but we didn’t call in for the MAGA neighbor to report his power was out.
When he returned from his trip, the temperature was already well into the 90s and his house had no power. The food in his refrigerator had exploded. He had to have a hazmat team come in and professionally clean his kitchen and dining room.
This summer, Mr. MAGA moved away. We celebrated his leaving by having a large block party. Since I’m from the Southwest, I brought in Mexican foods which I had prepared, including mole made from scratch and served with poblanos rellenos. I also made spinach/Swiss cheese enchiladas.
No one held a gun to the head of our MAGA neighbor and told him he had to be a MAGA asshole. He chose to be an asshole on his own volition. He managed to offend just about every single person on our block; and none of us were the least bit sorry to see him move away.
We just hope we have blessed him out of our existence.
Wait, there was video of them committing crimes but since the cops themselves didn't see it, they chose to do nothing? Where was this, Texas?
Almost as bad: Indissippi.
(Indiana, also known as “The Middle Finger Of The South”)
Mole made from scratch?!? [DROOL!!!]
But there's not much eating on a mole surely?
You need to make a mountain of moles for a meal.
🤣
I presume that you meant something like mole poblano. I love that stuff on chicken enchiladas, among other applications!
Mole poblano is the GOAT.
I judge Mexican restaurants on how good their mole poblano is, and how potent their hot sauce is.
I'm good to about 300,000 Scoville units.
Anecdote: We went to a local Indian restaurant the other night and I ordered a curry dish. The server asked if I wanted mild, medium or hot? I selected hot. Then she asked, American hot or Indian hot? Not having dined there before, I went with American. It was plenty spicy but I think I'll try Indian hot next time.
It's spicy and chocolate, what more can you ask for in a sauce?
I discovered enchiladas mole poblano, courtesy of Lopez y Gonzalez, Partners in Food, some 45 years ago. The mole had serious attitude and monster flavor. I've had mole in other places, but those never measured up.
Would love to try yours! 😁
Do you think Vance realizes that when he became Roman Catholic his 10 commandments changed?
Maltnothops and I learned a different numbering from what Texas has proposed.
He put a Protestant church on the cover of his book about his conversion. So, no.
So did I. Learned the RC version by the time I was in kindergarten. (I was a proper little robot. Had the catholic prayerbook memorized by the age of 2.)
Vance has no convictions other than Power. The Powerful rule. The meek submit or else.
I mean... he literally serves a man who worships power and money, not God.
He serves a man who plasters his name and graven image everywhere he can.
He serves a man uses the name of God to promote himself while doing things to dishonor God.
He serves a man who spends more time doing literally anything else than setting foot in a church.
He serves a man who has stolen. Stolen money from his own charity. Stolen money from the people who work for him. Stolen money from the taxpayers.
He serves a man who has committed murder.
He serves a man who has dishonored his father and mother with his every word and action and that is a difficult thing to do considering his parents.
He serves a man who has committed adultery multiple times.
He serves a man whose entire being is coveting. Be it coveting attention, coveting goods, coveting wealth. Coveting land. Coveting his neighbor's wife.
Every day, good Christian Vance gets up and goes and carries out the will of a man who treats the commandments he supposedly reveres as a goddamned square of toilet paper.
So fuck you, J.D. Hypocrite.
All you're doing is trying to impose a hellish and damned hierarchy on Americans with yourself on top, and everyone else forced to bow and scrape and accept your shit. You're trying to force your beliefs in power on everyone else denying them the liberty of their faith and conscience and teaching their own children about such personal matters in the name of control.
Fuck you.
Coveting his own daughter.
"𝘏𝘦 𝘴𝘦𝘳𝘷𝘦𝘴 𝘢 𝘮𝘢𝘯 𝘸𝘩𝘰𝘴𝘦 𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘪𝘳𝘦 𝘣𝘦𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘪𝘴 𝘤𝘰𝘷𝘦𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨. 𝘉𝘦 𝘪𝘵 𝘤𝘰𝘷𝘦𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘢𝘵𝘵𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯, 𝘤𝘰𝘷𝘦𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘨𝘰𝘰𝘥𝘴, 𝘤𝘰𝘷𝘦𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘸𝘦𝘢𝘭𝘵𝘩. 𝘊𝘰𝘷𝘦𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘭𝘢𝘯𝘥. 𝘊𝘰𝘷𝘦𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘯𝘦𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘣𝘰𝘳'𝘴 𝘸𝘪𝘧𝘦."
Coveting his neighbor's Saltsjöbaden... ;)
I don't want to be a grammar Nazi, but you mispelled the word "stollen" several times.😁
For a minute there I thought you were referencing Mike Pence.
“𝐼 𝑤𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑏𝑒 𝑜𝑓𝑓𝑒𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑑 𝑖𝑓 𝐼 𝑠𝑎𝑡 𝑖𝑛 𝑎 𝑐𝑙𝑎𝑠𝑠𝑟𝑜𝑜𝑚 𝑎𝑠 𝑎 𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑎𝑛, 𝑜𝑟 𝑖𝑓 𝑚𝑦 𝑘𝑖𝑑𝑠 𝑠𝑎𝑡 𝑖𝑛 𝑎 𝑐𝑙𝑎𝑠𝑠𝑟𝑜𝑜𝑚 𝑎𝑠 𝑎 𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑎𝑛, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑠𝑎𝑤, 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑘𝑛𝑜𝑤, 𝑎 𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑔𝑖𝑜𝑢𝑠 𝑡𝑒𝑥𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑤𝑎𝑠𝑛’𝑡 𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑎𝑛 𝑜𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑤𝑎𝑙𝑙.”
We should put that to the test. Someone should make sure that the Seven Tenets of the Satanic Temple are prominently displayed wherever he goes. See how long before he is offended.
Vance would LOSE ... HIS ... SHIT!!!
𝘚𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘴𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘱𝘢𝘪𝘥 𝘢𝘨𝘪𝘵𝘢𝘵𝘰𝘳𝘴, 𝘴𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘴𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘳𝘢𝘥𝘪𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯, 𝘴𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘴𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘦𝘯𝘥𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘟𝘪𝘢𝘯𝘴, 𝘴𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘴𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘚𝘢𝘵𝘢𝘯𝘪𝘤 𝘗𝘢𝘯𝘪𝘤...
Something something grow a pair, JD...
I can believe him when he says that he would not be offended. But he'd feel the need to play offended, because in his mind he needs to play to the base.
Trump 'collects' the base with ease (apologies, I can't think of a better phrase), but everyone else will have to work at it. Which means that you'll see all of the princelings like Vance, like Rubio, like ... maybe even one of the junior Trumps make moves which they think will play to the various influential groups of the base.
Vance has a remarkable talent for infuriating just about every group he speaks to. Liberal over-reach in Texas? You would have to be out of your mind to make that claim. Conservative Christians can NEVER stop trying to force their religion into the public schools, paid for with everyone’s tax dollars. They would go out of their tiny little minds at the mere suggestion any religion other than their own be represented. Christians know they’re losing the long game so they engage in a desperate attempt to get government to backstop their religion. It won’t work. They do, however, excel at playing the poor, persecuted victims of the Godless left.
He is the AntiCharisma. Were he to land the big chair after tRump, I could see him unintentionally hammering a wooden stake through the heart of the MAGA coalition.
That chair is simply a small couch, and you know about him and couches.
If it comes down to Harris vs. Vance, Asteroid-hits-the-Earth wins the election.
If the Democratic party is stupid enough to run Kamala Harris again I'm moving to Ireland.
Just remember Limerick hurling is the one true faith over here.
There once was a man from Nantucket...
Well, don't leave us hanging...
“Vance stated, “I would not be offended if I sat in a classroom as a Christian, or if my kids sat in a classroom as a Christian, and saw, you know, a religious text that wasn’t Christian on the wall.””
He might not (as if I would ever believe him after he said on camera with a serious face that he will say anything to get the media to take him seriously) but plenty of other Christians have proven his point wrong. How often have we seen stories about parents flipping their shit over lessons on the five pillars of Islam, or having yoga in gym class, or being exposed to art from Islam on museum field trips or in art textbooks? I’m calling bullshit.
Everything he says is bullshit including him telling you his name.
Which name?
Well he is a Catholic, which according to protestants means he goes to hell when he dies - so there is that. :)
I think genuine Catholics think he's going there anyway.
And all this time I thought Vance WAS dumb! Now you're telling me he's playing dumb? I thought he was trying to play smart, and failing miserably. And I just have to ask, why are Christians so enamored with the Jewish part of the bible instead of the Christian part?? What a bunch of illiterate hypocrites.
They're enamored of it because "death if you disobey our rules" aligns much better with their hard-right ideas about society than Jesus' hippy dippy help-the-poor stuff.
Yep, methinks you hit that nail directly on the head!!!
Been up since 2.00, can't sleep ... Rogan is a nong. Why anyone would take any notice of him has always escaped me. Besides, he is partially responsible for trump, and is now whining about him. He can fuck right off. As can Vance, who is a hypocritical slimeball. (grumpy from lack of sleep :) ).
Worried about clowns eating you?
Take a nap! You earned it.
Are you sure he was playing dumb?
I demand evidence that he was just playing.