Assholes certainly never had an issue with the State getting up in between doctors and patients and telling people what they can and can't do with their bodies.
They're just protecting male dominance and trying to control girls before they become women and can spot their bullshit.
All these crusty old white Republican guys speaking out against a ban on child marriage. I feel pity for the women AND men who have ended up in their sick and disgusting orbits.
We must make haste. Marry her off to some abuser or loser before she’s showing that bump. That little slut should have kept her legs closed, geez. What was she wearing?
Six months? 24-25 weeks??? If they ARE born, they're in the NICU before you can blink, one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel, and NONE of 'em anywhere NEAR eight pounds (closer to a pound and change, I suspect).
Hope it won't be in the rural south (where maternal health care is already often poor or absent, and it's generally only even that good for white women.)
And I hope that when the hospital doors soon lock forever, it's as they exit, instead of as they (attempt) to enter.
My first job after receiving my degree was in a tiny south-Georgia "village", in 1981.
A young woman I worked in the accounting office with, despite being married a "proper" length of time, was too embarrassed to reveal her new pregnancy out loud at work. (Even to people she'd known all her life, w/o whispering it.) She was so ashamed of having had sex that it would have been inconceivable for her to have openly referenced it in ANY form or manner.
Imagine had she NOT been married, and/or had not acted "fully appropriately" in the eyes of her church and congregation around being pregnant. What might have happened to such a person, who knows ONLY having been controlled by men for a lifetime, and knows only the shame and guilt assigned to her by that control? How could such a woman, of any age, feel adequately empowered?
Obviously, that's (to some degree) only tangential to the laws these people(sic) in the article wish to use in their absolute control of women, but still a consideration of the damage done on the human level. There are innocent victims on both sides, and there always will be.
Obviously, these male politicians think that the victims are themselves, and those like them. But that's not where MY sympathies tend to lie....
Which blows my mind. I HAVE a daughter ... fully grown, 37 years old, married to a sharp young man and with two lovely daughters and smart enough to NEVER consider or assent to marriage at half her current age.
“We don’t need oil, we don’t need the straits, we don’t need anything but we have more oil now being produced by double, by two times than Russia and Saudi Arabia combined.”” - Trump
We should never lose sight that Trump thinks of ALL these MAGA as people that, like himself, may need to have the meaning of the word "double" clarified.
I don't know why it is ever acceptable to present things to children as fact, an educated adult would most likely dismiss out of hand if hearing it for the first time.
a) Government should never intervene (except to prevent bodily autonomy)
b) Mohammed was a pedophile (but Mary/Joseph/Yahweh was okay)
c) Minors should get married (but those who think they are a different gender are too young to make decisions regarding their care—and their parents shouldn't be allowed to provide them care either—see "a" above)
d) Socialism only counts when Liberals do it (but let's give some more money to those corporations!)
They think that pregnant children are just willingly having all kinds of sex without any contraception, thus making abortion the go to for not making babies. Forcing these pregnant children to marry their rapists would stop those abortions, because everyone knows that God wants them to force birth with a mommy and a daddy who are married to each other. Since that's God's plan, that makes it perfectly ok. Whether or not the child is able to raise a child doesn't matter. How much more abuse the child will receive doesn't matter. All that matters is forcing birth.
How many child grooms marrying adult women? Damn near zero. How many child brides? Damn near all. As much as they claim purity culture protects women, it turns them into objects for sex as soon as they are able to force a marriage.
They just want to fuck little girls and get away with it.
I don’t care what excuses they give, how they justify it, the fact is that the vast majority of the people affected are teen girls being married off to their adult rapists. There are far better ways to provide a stable home to the babies of teen mothers than forcing her to get married to her teen boyfriend, and plenty of families have managed it. What we need to stop doing is pretending the creepy men sniffing around schools for dates are just doing what comes naturally, or traditionally. It’s always been creepy and abusive. And it wasn’t actually ever the norm. Take it from an ex-teen girl with too much attention from fully adult men. The men who were 10+ years older than me pressured me into doing things I didn’t want to do faster and more than the guys my age ever did. They also treated me less human and used me in other ways as well, like financially.
What I remember about that is that African American women in the state voted against him at a rate of something like 95%. We owe those women a debt, and it'll probably never be paid back.
Yes, we do, unfortunately too many Maga-trash women voted for him, partly to stab those noble ladies in the back, just to feel better about their own sad lives.
Absolutely fucking 𝗧𝗛𝗜𝗦. No real need to get into any other details, no philosophy, no BS about assumed maturity or the ability or lack thereof to consent. Just plain 𝗧𝗛𝗜𝗦.
Nothing stops teen boyfriend from being a good partner and dad, if that's what the couple want to do. The marriage certificate doesn't provide much in terms of family resources. Some tax breaks, yes, but that's it...and I'm not sure teen mom + teen boyfriend are going to be making enough to have that matter.
That is how it is in Norway. Now. But back when my MIL got pregnant with my husband, at 15 yo the rapist (18yo, sadly still alive now) got to choose wether to marry or pay a fine. That marriage didn't last for long. Now none get access to legal marriage whith anyone this young. And anyone f***ing a minor will be charged for rape.
A little on the nose for a group of middle-aged, balding, paunchy white republican men to rear up on their hind legs and bleat about the virtues of allowing child marriage, eh?
Also, note the framing: "Let’s take a situation where a girl was already pregnant. She’s already done that." SHE's already done that. Not THEY'VE already done that. SHE. Again, On. The. Nose.
Yeah, we have laws that protect pedophilia. The previous exceptions for allowing minors to marry being big ones.
But if he was saying that we have laws to protect against pedophilia, they are ineffective at best. And our society has been setup intentionally to keep them being enforced. Unless there’s folks we want to weaponize the laws against. *cough* people of color *cough*
I remember reading Project 1619 in public. I no longer do that.
A very young slave was purchased for sex, which she had no choice but to provide. As such, for the "sin" of being attractive to men, she remained pregnant almost constantly.
One night her "master" wanted sex, but she was just too sick. He insisted, and he ended up dead by her hand.
She was kept imprisoned until the day she gave birth, and then she wasn't....
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I broke into tears in that crowded office, but now that degree of cruelty might almost seem normal for this regime.
It may not even be legal to read Project 1619 in public for much longer. (NOT joking!) Under NSPM-7(Domestic Terrorism), I worry about the very t-shirts I wear each day.
Socialism, Mr. Humphrey, is not when the government tells you what to do, that's fascism. Socialism is when the people get together and pitch in to make things better for the lesser of us. Imagine, for one second, what it would look like if we had a little more support for teenage girls who might be contemplating marrying an older man, rather than whatever the Humphrey this is.
Socialism to them is just a word to describe people they don't agree with or like. Words are just a means to an end for people like Humphrey, definitions don't matter.
They use three terms interchangeably, socialism, Marxism and communism, which as sane people know have very distinct meanings. Once they start sputtering them as synonyms that they can never define except to say "bad", I'm done talking to them.
I've been seeing ads for Hillsdale college (private Christian university) that offers a course on the true agenda of socialism or other such nonsense. I keep labeling the ads as deceptive, but they keep showing up.
They're also an outright propaganda mill. They'll mail their "newsletter" to anyone, not just students and alumni; I have a conservative family member who gets them, but has never even been to the place. Drives me fucking nuts having to debunk another pile of their bullshit every few weeks.
The topics covered (that I've seen) range from gender-affirming care (which they oppose, because of course they do), socialism (the right-wing boogeyman version of it, anyway), abortion (you can probably guess where they come down on that), and the most recent one I saw argued that Trump trying to unilaterally rewrite the 14th Amendment is a good thing, actually. The authorship of that garbage reads like an index page for the Encyclopedia of American Loons.
Hillsdale was also heavily involved in Project 2025, if that's any clue as to just how batshit they are.
I'm actually intrigued by that - what would a private christian college teach as part of such a course?!?
Would eg Das Kapital be part of the required reading material? (Disclosure I haven't read Das Kapital, but I have read the Communist Manifesto. It was part of our reading material in school, when we studied 19th century history.)
I somehow doubt, with that course title, they'd include full-text primary sources in the course material- too much risk of somebody in class actually having an independent thought about the subject matter. More likely, they'd pull just cherry-picked excerpts that cast those works in the worst possible light, while including full-text readings of selected right-wing philosophers and commentators under the guise of "presenting both sides."
I think you might be right. I'd just see it as a challenge, enrol in the course and then see what they're teaching. I'd have to revise a bit beforehand, maybe not actually read Das Kapital (by all accounts it is rather tedious) but I could certainly dig out my copy of the manifesto.
And visit Karl Marx' birthhouse. Again. I've been before and found the exhibition really really interesting. I can really recommend the place to anyone who might be visiting the area.
The house itself is nothing special. His father sold it a short while after his birth and the family moved elsewhere. Which means that there are very few exhibits of his life there, but what is there is a really good exhibition of the workers movement, of how it started, of the Manchester capitalism, which was a major catalyst, of the various strands of the workers movement and so on. It's an interesting place to visit!
(PS I also found the Reagan library an interesting place to visit)
They'd utterly fall apart if they had to define socialism!
Here's the definition from Wiki:
"Socialism is an economic and political philosophy encompassing diverse economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production, as opposed to private ownership"
Great minds think alike, I just said the same upthread, it is so obvious, the more obsessed the are about pedophilia the more you know they practice it.
I will bet any amount of money I don't have that every single one of the Republicans who voted against banning child marriage also voted in favor of banning gender-affirming care for minors. Any takers?
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I see - it's the government's job to make sure the government doesn't government too much. And the fundamental misrepresentation of Socialism is a nice touch. Very Reagan-esque.
[heavy sigh] Okay, I got THAT off my chest. Why is it that grown men think they have the right to dictate exactly WHAT and WHEN is the age of consent for girls / women? But at least the bill is now law ... WHEW! The whole dirty-old-man meme frankly jumps into my head before I can think of anything else.
At least Tyrone F. Horni went after Gladys and not some 14-year-old (look it up!).
Perhaps child marriages made a degree of sense at a time when life expectancy was less than half of what it is today. As for the Bible, there is no independent corroboration for any of it, and there is no definitive evidence either Jesus or his mother ever existed. No where does it say Mary (or what ever her name actually was) gave her consent. Evidently, rape is okay if God does it.
I know it’s been said many times here, but I’ll say it again. The life expectancy is an average, and it takes into consideration infant mortality in a time when about half of babies didn’t make it past 1 year. So, humans lived about the same length of time, if they made it out of childhood. So, making children birth babies wasn’t as necessary as we think it was, and as it is today, is more dangerous for both mother and infant than waiting for adulthood to bear children. People knew this and it wasn’t that common for older men to marry children/teens. It wasn’t only common with nobility to secure their positions and wealth. Common folks actually stayed with similar aged spouses.
Furthermore, the age at which young women reach childbearing age has been falling. I seem to recall reading¹ that menarche took place at about 16 in the middle ages. Now it's fallen to about 12 or 13. That meant that hundreds or thousands of years ago, a child bride could be married well before she was able to even have children. So youthful fertility wasn't the factor we might think it is.
¹ I first came across this information in the 1960s, so my source, a book titled Growth (parte of the Life Magazine Science Library) isn't readily available these days.
Assholes certainly never had an issue with the State getting up in between doctors and patients and telling people what they can and can't do with their bodies.
They're just protecting male dominance and trying to control girls before they become women and can spot their bullshit.
They are protecting their interests, because they see nothing wrong with raping children.
The Epstein Party.
👆🎯That is what binds them together.
The irony is off the scales. Again, I mean.
All these crusty old white Republican guys speaking out against a ban on child marriage. I feel pity for the women AND men who have ended up in their sick and disgusting orbits.
One wonders if ANY of them have daughters and can think sufficiently outside the box to consider them as potential child brides.
NAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
But 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘪𝘳 daughters are all good girls who are going to be virgins on their wedding night.
We must make haste. Marry her off to some abuser or loser before she’s showing that bump. That little slut should have kept her legs closed, geez. What was she wearing?
I wonder how many 8 pound babies are born in Oklahoma after only 6 months gestation?
Six months? 24-25 weeks??? If they ARE born, they're in the NICU before you can blink, one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel, and NONE of 'em anywhere NEAR eight pounds (closer to a pound and change, I suspect).
But you knew that.
Those RWNJs are real good at denying reality.
Hope it won't be in the rural south (where maternal health care is already often poor or absent, and it's generally only even that good for white women.)
And I hope that when the hospital doors soon lock forever, it's as they exit, instead of as they (attempt) to enter.
Linda, you are absolutely correct, darn it!
My first job after receiving my degree was in a tiny south-Georgia "village", in 1981.
A young woman I worked in the accounting office with, despite being married a "proper" length of time, was too embarrassed to reveal her new pregnancy out loud at work. (Even to people she'd known all her life, w/o whispering it.) She was so ashamed of having had sex that it would have been inconceivable for her to have openly referenced it in ANY form or manner.
Imagine had she NOT been married, and/or had not acted "fully appropriately" in the eyes of her church and congregation around being pregnant. What might have happened to such a person, who knows ONLY having been controlled by men for a lifetime, and knows only the shame and guilt assigned to her by that control? How could such a woman, of any age, feel adequately empowered?
Obviously, that's (to some degree) only tangential to the laws these people(sic) in the article wish to use in their absolute control of women, but still a consideration of the damage done on the human level. There are innocent victims on both sides, and there always will be.
Obviously, these male politicians think that the victims are themselves, and those like them. But that's not where MY sympathies tend to lie....
And if you believe THAT one... 🤪
Bwaaahhh!
Seriously, man, warning label next time. I just about sprained my eyes, I rolled 'em so hard.
I think they all WOULD consider their young daughters as potential child brides.
Which blows my mind. I HAVE a daughter ... fully grown, 37 years old, married to a sharp young man and with two lovely daughters and smart enough to NEVER consider or assent to marriage at half her current age.
Once they themselves have broken them in.
Or their best friends, Tucker was eyeing his teen daughter's best friends on more than one occasion.
Trump was eyeing his own daughter.
I‘m sure “uncle” Epstein was too.
for the right $$$$$
“We don’t need oil, we don’t need the straits, we don’t need anything but we have more oil now being produced by double, by two times than Russia and Saudi Arabia combined.”” - Trump
We should never lose sight that Trump thinks of ALL these MAGA as people that, like himself, may need to have the meaning of the word "double" clarified.
Donnie Dumb-Ass understands the word, "double" about the same way as he understands the implications of a 1,200 to 1,500% discount on drugs.
The man goes beyond ignorant and into whole new territory.
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If that idiot had to live like the rest of us, I suspect he'd last about 10 seconds before crying for his mommy!
When it comes to not-knowing, MAGA gained it from the master....
Crusty? Well that brings up some unpleasant images.
Frankly, I'm of the opinion that religion...especially Christianity...should be 21-and-over.
I don't know why it is ever acceptable to present things to children as fact, an educated adult would most likely dismiss out of hand if hearing it for the first time.
That is why it is told as a fact to kids. Grown ups that has never been forced into religion don't buy it.
Christianity is BS, all religions are
Let's call child marriage what it truly is: CHILD TRAFFICKING.
And that is what those 36 Republicans support.
👆👆👆🎯They should check their hard drives.
Oh, the hypocrisy, let us count the ways....
a) Government should never intervene (except to prevent bodily autonomy)
b) Mohammed was a pedophile (but Mary/Joseph/Yahweh was okay)
c) Minors should get married (but those who think they are a different gender are too young to make decisions regarding their care—and their parents shouldn't be allowed to provide them care either—see "a" above)
d) Socialism only counts when Liberals do it (but let's give some more money to those corporations!)
Ah, hypocrisy, thy name is Republicans. 🙄
That's a good point about trans rights.
Try them as adults, marry them as adults, but they're waaay too young to decide what they want to be called.
They have no awareness when they say things like this. They're just interested in owning the libs!
^^^^Exactly!^^^^
𝐴𝑙𝑠𝑜, 𝑤ℎ𝑦 𝑡ℎ𝑒 ℎ𝑒𝑙𝑙 𝑤𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑙𝑒𝑡𝑡𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑐ℎ𝑖𝑙𝑑𝑟𝑒𝑛 𝑚𝑎𝑟𝑟𝑦 𝑙𝑒𝑎𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑚𝑜𝑟𝑒 𝑎𝑏𝑜𝑟𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛𝑠?
They think that pregnant children are just willingly having all kinds of sex without any contraception, thus making abortion the go to for not making babies. Forcing these pregnant children to marry their rapists would stop those abortions, because everyone knows that God wants them to force birth with a mommy and a daddy who are married to each other. Since that's God's plan, that makes it perfectly ok. Whether or not the child is able to raise a child doesn't matter. How much more abuse the child will receive doesn't matter. All that matters is forcing birth.
How many child grooms marrying adult women? Damn near zero. How many child brides? Damn near all. As much as they claim purity culture protects women, it turns them into objects for sex as soon as they are able to force a marriage.
Well said, sir.
Statistics say two children who marry rarely stay married and an older man having sex with a minor is probably already married...
In religious circles, marriage = consent.
Pardon me, I have an urgent need to bring my last meal back up.
Sometime I'm not sure when you're Joe King, and when you're not Joe King.
Not this time....
Thank you, Joe.
That is why most of them are republicans.
They don't want teens of either sex to know anything about contraception.
They just want to fuck little girls and get away with it.
I don’t care what excuses they give, how they justify it, the fact is that the vast majority of the people affected are teen girls being married off to their adult rapists. There are far better ways to provide a stable home to the babies of teen mothers than forcing her to get married to her teen boyfriend, and plenty of families have managed it. What we need to stop doing is pretending the creepy men sniffing around schools for dates are just doing what comes naturally, or traditionally. It’s always been creepy and abusive. And it wasn’t actually ever the norm. Take it from an ex-teen girl with too much attention from fully adult men. The men who were 10+ years older than me pressured me into doing things I didn’t want to do faster and more than the guys my age ever did. They also treated me less human and used me in other ways as well, like financially.
Bingo! That is the bottom line. Remember when Alabama had to be shamed into not voting for Roy "I cruise the mall looking for preteen dates" Moore?
What I remember about that is that African American women in the state voted against him at a rate of something like 95%. We owe those women a debt, and it'll probably never be paid back.
Yes, we do, unfortunately too many Maga-trash women voted for him, partly to stab those noble ladies in the back, just to feel better about their own sad lives.
𝑇ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑗𝑢𝑠𝑡 𝑤𝑎𝑛𝑡 𝑡𝑜 𝑓𝑢𝑐𝑘 𝑙𝑖𝑡𝑡𝑙𝑒 𝑔𝑖𝑟𝑙𝑠 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑔𝑒𝑡 𝑎𝑤𝑎𝑦 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑖𝑡.
Absolutely fucking 𝗧𝗛𝗜𝗦. No real need to get into any other details, no philosophy, no BS about assumed maturity or the ability or lack thereof to consent. Just plain 𝗧𝗛𝗜𝗦.
𝑇ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑓𝑎𝑟 𝑏𝑒𝑡𝑡𝑒𝑟 𝑤𝑎𝑦𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑣𝑖𝑑𝑒 𝑎 𝑠𝑡𝑎𝑏𝑙𝑒 ℎ𝑜𝑚𝑒 𝑡𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑏𝑎𝑏𝑖𝑒𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑡𝑒𝑒𝑛 𝑚𝑜𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑛 𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑐𝑖𝑛𝑔 ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑡𝑜 𝑔𝑒𝑡 𝑚𝑎𝑟𝑟𝑖𝑒𝑑 𝑡𝑜 ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑡𝑒𝑒𝑛 𝑏𝑜𝑦𝑓𝑟𝑖𝑒𝑛𝑑
Nothing stops teen boyfriend from being a good partner and dad, if that's what the couple want to do. The marriage certificate doesn't provide much in terms of family resources. Some tax breaks, yes, but that's it...and I'm not sure teen mom + teen boyfriend are going to be making enough to have that matter.
And if teen mom and teen dad want to husband and wife, they can still get married. There's nothing stopping them. When they've turned 18.
That is how it is in Norway. Now. But back when my MIL got pregnant with my husband, at 15 yo the rapist (18yo, sadly still alive now) got to choose wether to marry or pay a fine. That marriage didn't last for long. Now none get access to legal marriage whith anyone this young. And anyone f***ing a minor will be charged for rape.
A little on the nose for a group of middle-aged, balding, paunchy white republican men to rear up on their hind legs and bleat about the virtues of allowing child marriage, eh?
Also, note the framing: "Let’s take a situation where a girl was already pregnant. She’s already done that." SHE's already done that. Not THEY'VE already done that. SHE. Again, On. The. Nose.
Just me, or are the lights flashing red?
More like "we've already raped her, so spoiled milk and all that."
But notice that even if it was a boy her own age, the blame lands squarely on her, what she's done. No mention of him.
"This bill has nothing to do with pedophilia! This bill has absolutely nothing to do… because we have… we have bills that protect that."
Paging Dr. Freud. Dr. Freud to the white courtesy phone. Somebody's slip is showing.
Yeah, we have laws that protect pedophilia. The previous exceptions for allowing minors to marry being big ones.
But if he was saying that we have laws to protect against pedophilia, they are ineffective at best. And our society has been setup intentionally to keep them being enforced. Unless there’s folks we want to weaponize the laws against. *cough* people of color *cough*
Val,
I remember reading Project 1619 in public. I no longer do that.
A very young slave was purchased for sex, which she had no choice but to provide. As such, for the "sin" of being attractive to men, she remained pregnant almost constantly.
One night her "master" wanted sex, but she was just too sick. He insisted, and he ended up dead by her hand.
She was kept imprisoned until the day she gave birth, and then she wasn't....
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I broke into tears in that crowded office, but now that degree of cruelty might almost seem normal for this regime.
It may not even be legal to read Project 1619 in public for much longer. (NOT joking!) Under NSPM-7(Domestic Terrorism), I worry about the very t-shirts I wear each day.
And they like it that way.
"Heck, we have a PRESIDENT who protects that!"
Too easy?
We have a president who's lucky if he knows which side of the bread the butter goes... 🤦♂️
He'd better know, since that's likely how he lubricates his shoes each morning.
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Someone hasn't looked up "pedophilia" in the dictionary, I suspect.
"Something about bicycles...I think."
I noticed that too!
Socialism, Mr. Humphrey, is not when the government tells you what to do, that's fascism. Socialism is when the people get together and pitch in to make things better for the lesser of us. Imagine, for one second, what it would look like if we had a little more support for teenage girls who might be contemplating marrying an older man, rather than whatever the Humphrey this is.
Humpy, like so many others of his ilk, has no idea what socialism is or how many different types of socialism there are.
Socialism to them is just a word to describe people they don't agree with or like. Words are just a means to an end for people like Humphrey, definitions don't matter.
I suspect that, to a lot of right wingers, SOCIALISM = COMMUNISM.
They use three terms interchangeably, socialism, Marxism and communism, which as sane people know have very distinct meanings. Once they start sputtering them as synonyms that they can never define except to say "bad", I'm done talking to them.
I've been seeing ads for Hillsdale college (private Christian university) that offers a course on the true agenda of socialism or other such nonsense. I keep labeling the ads as deceptive, but they keep showing up.
They're also an outright propaganda mill. They'll mail their "newsletter" to anyone, not just students and alumni; I have a conservative family member who gets them, but has never even been to the place. Drives me fucking nuts having to debunk another pile of their bullshit every few weeks.
I get that newsletter. I don’t read it.
What does it say? What kind of stuff do they write?
I won't link it directly, but here's the publication's wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imprimis
The topics covered (that I've seen) range from gender-affirming care (which they oppose, because of course they do), socialism (the right-wing boogeyman version of it, anyway), abortion (you can probably guess where they come down on that), and the most recent one I saw argued that Trump trying to unilaterally rewrite the 14th Amendment is a good thing, actually. The authorship of that garbage reads like an index page for the Encyclopedia of American Loons.
Hillsdale was also heavily involved in Project 2025, if that's any clue as to just how batshit they are.
I'm actually intrigued by that - what would a private christian college teach as part of such a course?!?
Would eg Das Kapital be part of the required reading material? (Disclosure I haven't read Das Kapital, but I have read the Communist Manifesto. It was part of our reading material in school, when we studied 19th century history.)
I somehow doubt, with that course title, they'd include full-text primary sources in the course material- too much risk of somebody in class actually having an independent thought about the subject matter. More likely, they'd pull just cherry-picked excerpts that cast those works in the worst possible light, while including full-text readings of selected right-wing philosophers and commentators under the guise of "presenting both sides."
I think you might be right. I'd just see it as a challenge, enrol in the course and then see what they're teaching. I'd have to revise a bit beforehand, maybe not actually read Das Kapital (by all accounts it is rather tedious) but I could certainly dig out my copy of the manifesto.
And visit Karl Marx' birthhouse. Again. I've been before and found the exhibition really really interesting. I can really recommend the place to anyone who might be visiting the area.
The house itself is nothing special. His father sold it a short while after his birth and the family moved elsewhere. Which means that there are very few exhibits of his life there, but what is there is a really good exhibition of the workers movement, of how it started, of the Manchester capitalism, which was a major catalyst, of the various strands of the workers movement and so on. It's an interesting place to visit!
(PS I also found the Reagan library an interesting place to visit)
They'd utterly fall apart if they had to define socialism!
Here's the definition from Wiki:
"Socialism is an economic and political philosophy encompassing diverse economic and social systems characterised by social ownership of the means of production, as opposed to private ownership"
Won't they be surprised that there's such a thing as Christian Socialism.
(A Christian Socialist concocted the Pledge of Allegiance, Ironically, he made no mention of "Under God." That was added on much later)
Great minds think alike, I just said the same upthread, it is so obvious, the more obsessed the are about pedophilia the more you know they practice it.
You might summarize socialism as establishing a compact to promote the general welfare of we the people.
Hmmm, where have I heard that before?
I will bet any amount of money I don't have that every single one of the Republicans who voted against banning child marriage also voted in favor of banning gender-affirming care for minors. Any takers?
No bet. That one is what you call, "intuitively obvious!"
OT --- Hi guys, husband and I are headed out to Nevada to see his youngest daughter graduate from high school. Leaving for the airport in Tallahassee in an hour. Take care, will be back hopefully by Saturday. :)
Bon voyage! Have a wonderful time!
36 Oklahoman Rethuglikkkans demonstrating why Education in the Sooner State ranks near the bottom.
"...government can’t come in and tell me what I can and cannot do with my family."
"Now buckle your seatbelts kids, or we can't head out to Cracker Barrel!"
"Esther, would you please put Lil' Moses in the gummint required child seat, looking backward to warn us as Satan approaches (or libs.)"
I see - it's the government's job to make sure the government doesn't government too much. And the fundamental misrepresentation of Socialism is a nice touch. Very Reagan-esque.
And "too much" is when it inconveniences the elite and not when law enforcement decides just being a minority is enough to justify harassment.
"How old was Mary?" 𝗡𝗢𝗕𝗢𝗗𝗬 𝗞𝗡𝗢𝗪𝗦, 𝗗𝗜𝗣-𝗦𝗛𝗜𝗧!!!
[heavy sigh] Okay, I got THAT off my chest. Why is it that grown men think they have the right to dictate exactly WHAT and WHEN is the age of consent for girls / women? But at least the bill is now law ... WHEW! The whole dirty-old-man meme frankly jumps into my head before I can think of anything else.
At least Tyrone F. Horni went after Gladys and not some 14-year-old (look it up!).
I’m finally getting to be old enough to be a dirty old man.
Perhaps child marriages made a degree of sense at a time when life expectancy was less than half of what it is today. As for the Bible, there is no independent corroboration for any of it, and there is no definitive evidence either Jesus or his mother ever existed. No where does it say Mary (or what ever her name actually was) gave her consent. Evidently, rape is okay if God does it.
I know it’s been said many times here, but I’ll say it again. The life expectancy is an average, and it takes into consideration infant mortality in a time when about half of babies didn’t make it past 1 year. So, humans lived about the same length of time, if they made it out of childhood. So, making children birth babies wasn’t as necessary as we think it was, and as it is today, is more dangerous for both mother and infant than waiting for adulthood to bear children. People knew this and it wasn’t that common for older men to marry children/teens. It wasn’t only common with nobility to secure their positions and wealth. Common folks actually stayed with similar aged spouses.
Furthermore, the age at which young women reach childbearing age has been falling. I seem to recall reading¹ that menarche took place at about 16 in the middle ages. Now it's fallen to about 12 or 13. That meant that hundreds or thousands of years ago, a child bride could be married well before she was able to even have children. So youthful fertility wasn't the factor we might think it is.
¹ I first came across this information in the 1960s, so my source, a book titled Growth (parte of the Life Magazine Science Library) isn't readily available these days.
It’s closer to 9-11 nowadays.
I know that the youngest birth on record was to a 9-year-old girl.
Apparently war makes it OK also.