Mikayla Thornton says her father, a founding member of Color Me Badd, used divine authority and a “rod of correction” to make his cruelty seem righteous
I can think of very little more apropos than the Weinberg quote. This is a prima facie example of how, as Christopher Hitchens himself said, religion poisons everything.
He was all of that, and yet always a gentle man as well, when the time called to be so. Hitch was truly astonishing in who he was and what he accomplished, and I miss him as well.
Let's see what happens with people like your family members (and all of mine) when the mass graves return.
But instead of dying even with care (like even some few vaccinated, with Covid), people will die because of no healthcare at all.
And no affordable food for millions, and also millions with easily preventable childhood diseases left unvaccinated, or vaccinated too slowly. And poor nutrition. And violence, state and otherwise. And neglect, and unaffordable medicine....
But this time, people dying, not of illness but of poverty, won't have mass graves even as "nice" as those during Covid.
These will be overwhelmingly paupers graves. We have yet to know if Dems can act quickly enough, once given the chance. We can only hope.
It doesn't just sadden me. It angers me. If Hemant didn't curate the stories here, there could be at the very least three or four stories of religious abuse like this 𝘥𝘢𝘪𝘭𝘺. Not to mention several daily stories about religious bigots bigoting.
Using religion as a means to control and abuse others has been happening since the day humanity invented it.
This is a myth we have known was mythical for a very long time. It really sucks that it takes someone coming forward with their story for us to be taken seriously. Christian Fucking Privilege needs to end.
Prince, who was a role model for those seeking their sexual identities, got religion in the form of the JWs. After that, the guy who once sang "I'm not a woman. I'm not a man. I'm something you can't understand" turned on his fans for not being straight. He told them "God hates you so I have to hate you, too."
I don't care if he could play 27 instruments before he was 20. I turned him off when he let religion ruin his life.
Yes! I hate it when so called "Christ-like Christians" start every bullshit statement with, "Well, I'm a Christian...". There's your warning signs that something disgusting is about to come out their mouths.
Cruelty right from the start. The core Christian image of God sacrificing his innocent son to satisfy a debt of guilt is a form of barbaric, horrifying cruelty. Divine sadism ;)
That was Stephen Fry's go-to when he was asked about confronting Yahweh. "Bone cancer in children? What's that about?" He was positively scathing in his response and rightfully so.
"Do not provoke or irritate or exasperate your children [with demands that are trivial or unreasonable or humiliating or abusive; nor by favoritism or indifference; treat them tenderly with lovingkindness], so they will not lose heart and become discouraged or unmotivated [with their spirits broken]"
From my earliest memories, my father beat me regularly and severely with his leather belt.
It wasn't actually due to any religion other than his anger at having an unwanted second child, but it sure felt like "righteous anger".
"Righteous anger expresses itself in godly ways.
"Anger that is directed at actual sin and is God-oriented must also adorn the characteristics of the fruit of the Spirit (Gal 5:22-23) if it is to be called righteous. It must have love as its aim, be patient, exude self-control, and so on." ?
Hmm... Maybe not. (Is that the WEIRDEST thing in the Bible? "Anger is GODLY?!)
The Trump administration has issued sweeping new guidance telling schools to stop considering racial disparities when developing and evaluating discipline policies. It goes so far as to claim that a school can violate the Title VI section of the Civil Rights Act that protects against racial discrimination by evaluating the racial outcomes of its discipline system and making decisions based on those outcomes.
There is no horror that cannot be, and has not been, justified in the name of religion. I know not all religious people are evil, but there are a great many evil people claiming to be Christian in an entirely self-justifying way.
I never heard of the band and I never heard of this guy.
But I have heard of abusive parents, assholes, psychopaths, sociopaths, people using gawd to justify what they cannot justify by any other means, religious megalomaniacs, and similar tawdry responses to the divine…
Which is very unlikely to exist in any case…
Which is why they can get away with all of the nastiness.
But wishing a horrible accident on your own child so that gawd would “humble” her pretty much takes the Religious megalomania cake sounds an awful lot like projecting your own worse characteristics on your gawd.
bro lives there .....everybody 'talks' to jesus 2.5 hours daily...PLUS if your a business owner you CLOSE on sat and sunday (sat to get ready to go to choich on sunday (sigh)
After all, girls/women are just a McRib. Funny how Christianity turned actual creation: natural life-giving female vagina powers into complete submission to a singular imaginary male authority figure. What could go wrong?
My favorite part of that tale is that an omnipotent, all knowing 'god', knowing in advance that the rib clone would eat the apple, allowed it to happen so he could punish his creations and their progeny for all time, instead of picking a better plan.
The Adam and Eve story is problematic in many ways but when originally created, God was not considered to be omniscient.
From AI: "The terms omnipotent and omniscient are not found in the Hebrew Bible. Early biblical texts often portray God anthropomorphically—walking in gardens, regretting actions, and investigating events firsthand. These absolute, limitless attributes (omniscience, omnipotence) became applied to God later through contact with Greek philosophy during the Hellenistic period and formal systemic theology in the medieval era."
These later attributions of omniscience and omnipotence make the Bible stories no longer consistent with beliefs about God's powers. As a teenager, this was one of the things that led me to question the teachings I was getting at church and to eventually question the existence of a god-being at all.
This is why I would argue that the emergence of monotheistic religions (center on the belief in a single, supreme deity who is traditionally understood as omnipotent (all-powerful) and omniscient (all-knowing) was the turn for the worst. The most damaging mistake of humanity.
The sheer hypocrisy of some of the well-known 'celebrity' fundy parents that we know of,is probably just the tip of the iceberb when they've presented such a perfect image of godly parenting. The adult children of Duggars, Gosselins and the odious Steven Anderson tell horrific stories like this. Duggar-wannabe momma-blogger Jill Rodrigues' eldest and favourite son has just said his wife and 2yo have left him cos of his violence. He blames it on being beaten himself as a child. Pre-Duggar, there was a TV show with the Willis family. Dad got jailed for raping his 3 teen daughters. Asked about why they didn't report it, one chillingly said they were isolated, knew no others of their age group but as their family lived in obedience to god, they assumed all dads did this and heathen girls would be having it much worse than they were at the hands of their loving good x-tian dad. Ugh!
And none of them are aware that there are numerous religious and non-religious dads and moms out there from around the world that has never, not even for once, did to their kids what their own dad has done to them.
This really puts a major dent in all those millions of mostly embellished testimonial stories where one's life is very bad until he/she accept Jesus Christ into their lives and then things got much better afterwords as told many times through a Christian radio program called "Unshackled," doesn't it?
I know the name of the band. I know I've heard the song, but couldn't come up with a lyric or a tune. Not anything I would ever intentionally listen to.
Still know infinitely more about them than Demon Hunters.
One Christian Hate Cult falsely claims that empathy is sin (Me: "Since when?"). Never mind that the Bible is chock full of verses and passages strongly advocating empathy and love throughout the whole book along with everything else that provides perfect materials for R-rated or X-rated films in Hollywood.
Just spotted this, and I have stuff I need to do, but the following will suffice as comment:
There really is NO hatred like Christian love.
“With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.”
― Steven Weinberg, Nobel Laureate
I can think of very little more apropos than the Weinberg quote. This is a prima facie example of how, as Christopher Hitchens himself said, religion poisons everything.
Hitchens' rule that 'religion poisons everything' is as basic a law of the universe as Rick Wilson's 'Everything Trump Touches Dies.'
@Jane in NC
I was just reading, now I am laughing. Thanks.😊
@Jane in NC
Perfect reference.
Let's also not forget Christopher Hitchens "If you want to get good people to do wicked things, you need religion."
Hitch was an international treasure, and I miss him still.
He was all of that, and yet always a gentle man as well, when the time called to be so. Hitch was truly astonishing in who he was and what he accomplished, and I miss him as well.
100%
I went to look for a specific Hitchen's quote, then got sucked into more and then could not pick one. Here are 25...
https://www.azquotes.com/author/6756-Christopher_Hitchens
Okay I did pick one:
"It's called faith because it's not knowledge."
It might be more accurate to say that true believers be they secular or religious can do great evil convinced that they are doing good.
"MAGA hates the things they hate more than they love the things they love."
-Me, today, some old southerner
That's the best description of MAGA I've heard anywhere. Bravo!
You are kind to say, but I'd rather be wrong.
Thank you, Jane.
I've lost family members to the MAGA cult. You're not wrong. You're a keen observer.
Let's see what happens with people like your family members (and all of mine) when the mass graves return.
But instead of dying even with care (like even some few vaccinated, with Covid), people will die because of no healthcare at all.
And no affordable food for millions, and also millions with easily preventable childhood diseases left unvaccinated, or vaccinated too slowly. And poor nutrition. And violence, state and otherwise. And neglect, and unaffordable medicine....
But this time, people dying, not of illness but of poverty, won't have mass graves even as "nice" as those during Covid.
These will be overwhelmingly paupers graves. We have yet to know if Dems can act quickly enough, once given the chance. We can only hope.
I hope your family will return to you, Jane.
Thanks for the kind thoughts, foofaraw, but my family who went over to the Dark Side are a lost cause. I hope yours are not.
VERY well put. Succinct, to the point, and for all I can see, very damned true.
sadly....
Thank you.
𝐵𝑢𝑡, 𝑠𝑎𝑑𝑙𝑦, 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑡𝑜𝑟𝑦 𝑖𝑡𝑠𝑒𝑙𝑓 𝑖𝑠 ℎ𝑎𝑟𝑑𝑙𝑦 𝑢𝑛𝑖𝑞𝑢𝑒.
It doesn't just sadden me. It angers me. If Hemant didn't curate the stories here, there could be at the very least three or four stories of religious abuse like this 𝘥𝘢𝘪𝘭𝘺. Not to mention several daily stories about religious bigots bigoting.
Using religion as a means to control and abuse others has been happening since the day humanity invented it.
Mother and father both abusing their child in the name of a phantasm.
And yet xtians continue to insist that it is LGBTQIA+s that are unfit to be parents.
and that includes most amish groups as well..LBGT =automatically 'shunned'......(Well ,in their "Time Warp" anyway.....
𝑆ℎ𝑒’𝑠 𝑑𝑒𝑠𝑡𝑟𝑜𝑦𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑚𝑦𝑡ℎ 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑎 𝑝𝑜𝑝 𝑠𝑡𝑎𝑟 𝑤ℎ𝑜 “𝑓𝑖𝑛𝑑𝑠 𝐺𝑜𝑑” 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑏𝑒𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑒𝑠 𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑔𝑖𝑜𝑢𝑠 𝑏𝑒𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑒𝑠 𝑎𝑛 𝑖𝑛ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑙𝑦 𝑏𝑒𝑡𝑡𝑒𝑟 𝑝𝑒𝑟𝑠𝑜𝑛. 𝐼𝑓 𝑎𝑛𝑦𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔, 𝑇ℎ𝑜𝑟𝑛𝑡𝑜𝑛 𝑤𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑖𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑜𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑑𝑖𝑟𝑒𝑐𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛.
This is a myth we have known was mythical for a very long time. It really sucks that it takes someone coming forward with their story for us to be taken seriously. Christian Fucking Privilege needs to end.
Prince, who was a role model for those seeking their sexual identities, got religion in the form of the JWs. After that, the guy who once sang "I'm not a woman. I'm not a man. I'm something you can't understand" turned on his fans for not being straight. He told them "God hates you so I have to hate you, too."
I don't care if he could play 27 instruments before he was 20. I turned him off when he let religion ruin his life.
Yes! I hate it when so called "Christ-like Christians" start every bullshit statement with, "Well, I'm a Christian...". There's your warning signs that something disgusting is about to come out their mouths.
Cruelty right from the start. The core Christian image of God sacrificing his innocent son to satisfy a debt of guilt is a form of barbaric, horrifying cruelty. Divine sadism ;)
But he loves us………..
If that's god's love, I shudder to think what god's hate looks like!
Check out a pediatric cancer ward to see that.
Those poor kids. What did they do to deserve that? Answer: Not a damned thing!
When xtians tell me how loving god is, that is the first example I point out. I tell them “Please do try to justify this.”
Stephen Fry had this to say
youtu.be/-suvkwNYSQo
That was Stephen Fry's go-to when he was asked about confronting Yahweh. "Bone cancer in children? What's that about?" He was positively scathing in his response and rightfully so.
They didn't have to do anything. God punishes for several generations.
Got cancer? Blame your great grandfather for whatever sin he committed. 😵💫
I think that's found at the very top of each next page.
Or, at least how humans wish God to be hateful and cruel.....nextdoor. Much like a tornado in a trailer park.
To Mikayla's father...
"Do not provoke or irritate or exasperate your children [with demands that are trivial or unreasonable or humiliating or abusive; nor by favoritism or indifference; treat them tenderly with lovingkindness], so they will not lose heart and become discouraged or unmotivated [with their spirits broken]"
-- Colossians 3:21, Amplified Bible
I think Thornton would rather read To Train Up a Child. 🤢🤮
He and wifey most likely did.
Sick sick sick.
From my earliest memories, my father beat me regularly and severely with his leather belt.
It wasn't actually due to any religion other than his anger at having an unwanted second child, but it sure felt like "righteous anger".
"Righteous anger expresses itself in godly ways.
"Anger that is directed at actual sin and is God-oriented must also adorn the characteristics of the fruit of the Spirit (Gal 5:22-23) if it is to be called righteous. It must have love as its aim, be patient, exude self-control, and so on." ?
Hmm... Maybe not. (Is that the WEIRDEST thing in the Bible? "Anger is GODLY?!)
Anger is godly because Yahweh is angry ... a LOT. Doesn't take reading much of the OT to learn that in a hurry!
JUST came across this in my email....
The Trump administration has issued sweeping new guidance telling schools to stop considering racial disparities when developing and evaluating discipline policies. It goes so far as to claim that a school can violate the Title VI section of the Civil Rights Act that protects against racial discrimination by evaluating the racial outcomes of its discipline system and making decisions based on those outcomes.
-The Public School Strong team
Stinking jerks, the lot of 'em, and I'm going easy on the language, as it comes to that!
As close to "speechless" as I am able...
Tru DAT!
Thanks, Truthsh00ter.
"Colossians 3:21" Got to love Bible verses, proof of the hypocrisy and insanity of the death cult Christianity.
Judges 19:24 🤪
An easily ignored statement by every follower and preacher of their disgusting, abusive cult.
Further Thought:
"So when I say, as the subtitle of my book, that I think religion poisons everything... I mean to say it infects us in our most basic integrity."
-- Christopher Hitchens
Q.E.D.
There is no horror that cannot be, and has not been, justified in the name of religion. I know not all religious people are evil, but there are a great many evil people claiming to be Christian in an entirely self-justifying way.
My standard phrase....
The Children's Crusades
I never heard of the band and I never heard of this guy.
But I have heard of abusive parents, assholes, psychopaths, sociopaths, people using gawd to justify what they cannot justify by any other means, religious megalomaniacs, and similar tawdry responses to the divine…
Which is very unlikely to exist in any case…
Which is why they can get away with all of the nastiness.
But wishing a horrible accident on your own child so that gawd would “humble” her pretty much takes the Religious megalomania cake sounds an awful lot like projecting your own worse characteristics on your gawd.
Very very sick sick people.
I learned a LOT about unfamiliar music the summer I worked as a bouncer in a N Charleston, SC strip club.
Yes, I have absolutely heard "Color Me Badd". And worse....
bro lives there .....everybody 'talks' to jesus 2.5 hours daily...PLUS if your a business owner you CLOSE on sat and sunday (sat to get ready to go to choich on sunday (sigh)
After all, girls/women are just a McRib. Funny how Christianity turned actual creation: natural life-giving female vagina powers into complete submission to a singular imaginary male authority figure. What could go wrong?
I Wanna Sex You Up
My favorite part of that tale is that an omnipotent, all knowing 'god', knowing in advance that the rib clone would eat the apple, allowed it to happen so he could punish his creations and their progeny for all time, instead of picking a better plan.
What a loving god.
The Adam and Eve story is problematic in many ways but when originally created, God was not considered to be omniscient.
From AI: "The terms omnipotent and omniscient are not found in the Hebrew Bible. Early biblical texts often portray God anthropomorphically—walking in gardens, regretting actions, and investigating events firsthand. These absolute, limitless attributes (omniscience, omnipotence) became applied to God later through contact with Greek philosophy during the Hellenistic period and formal systemic theology in the medieval era."
These later attributions of omniscience and omnipotence make the Bible stories no longer consistent with beliefs about God's powers. As a teenager, this was one of the things that led me to question the teachings I was getting at church and to eventually question the existence of a god-being at all.
Lacking those attributes, why call him god?
I don't think any of the Bronze or Iron Age gods were considered omnipotent. Yet they were still considered to be gods.
Maybe an acronym?
They wanted him to be a "good ol' dude"!
("You lose! Try again....")
This is why I would argue that the emergence of monotheistic religions (center on the belief in a single, supreme deity who is traditionally understood as omnipotent (all-powerful) and omniscient (all-knowing) was the turn for the worst. The most damaging mistake of humanity.
IOW gawd evolved.
😅
a 'BETTER PLAN' might include 24/7 Mental health counselling for gawd and his followers......
If they weren’t at the point of no return! Ha
Too bad Lilith was erased from their bullshit book. We/they could have learned a lot from her defiance to the evil, misogynistic presence from above.
The sheer hypocrisy of some of the well-known 'celebrity' fundy parents that we know of,is probably just the tip of the iceberb when they've presented such a perfect image of godly parenting. The adult children of Duggars, Gosselins and the odious Steven Anderson tell horrific stories like this. Duggar-wannabe momma-blogger Jill Rodrigues' eldest and favourite son has just said his wife and 2yo have left him cos of his violence. He blames it on being beaten himself as a child. Pre-Duggar, there was a TV show with the Willis family. Dad got jailed for raping his 3 teen daughters. Asked about why they didn't report it, one chillingly said they were isolated, knew no others of their age group but as their family lived in obedience to god, they assumed all dads did this and heathen girls would be having it much worse than they were at the hands of their loving good x-tian dad. Ugh!
And none of them are aware that there are numerous religious and non-religious dads and moms out there from around the world that has never, not even for once, did to their kids what their own dad has done to them.
This really puts a major dent in all those millions of mostly embellished testimonial stories where one's life is very bad until he/she accept Jesus Christ into their lives and then things got much better afterwords as told many times through a Christian radio program called "Unshackled," doesn't it?
Too bad it doesn't shut it down from within. Gullible stupidity and IGNORance is what keeps it going.
OT: The best thing I saw today was a video of Spider-man punching Nazi Jake Lang.
I just saw that. Insanity
Superman took on Hitler, Stalin, and Hirohito as early as 1940.
Captain America had the famous cover of him punching out Hitler; he served in WWII till he was frozen.
So it's a time-honored tradition.
What a shame he can't give the same treatment to Charlie Kirk! 😝
https://i.redd.it/01jyayzbptdh1.jpeg
NOT "too soon!"
"R&B band Color Me Badd"
Um, who?
I listened to WMMS in Cleveland, one of the top rock-'n'-roll stations in the US, during the 80s and 90s. Never once heard anything from them.
Just as well. 😝
They wouldn't get airplay on a rock station. They're pop/R&B.
https://youtu.be/Oxu3pq319r0?is=wY9mfHFr5B3ILrDV
I know the name of the band. I know I've heard the song, but couldn't come up with a lyric or a tune. Not anything I would ever intentionally listen to.
Still know infinitely more about them than Demon Hunters.
https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.575706514.2516/fposter,small,wall_texture,square_product,600x600.u2.jpg
One Christian Hate Cult falsely claims that empathy is sin (Me: "Since when?"). Never mind that the Bible is chock full of verses and passages strongly advocating empathy and love throughout the whole book along with everything else that provides perfect materials for R-rated or X-rated films in Hollywood.