The idea a particular brand of conservative Christianity could be imposed on a country as large and diverse and the United States with a happy ending, is about as stupidly dangerous as thinking gets. The founders very wisely did not give religion any role to play in our secular government. None the less, people keep trying to change that. Of all the forms of government people have dreamed up, few are worse than theocracy. In any event, if the preachers ever attained the secular power they seem to be dreaming of, they would be killing one another in the space of a week over doctrinal errors. I will never understand why mere freedom of religion isn't enough for some people, or why they're driven to force their religion on others.
Watch the stuff they watch for a week- the innumerable ads for survival food, survival torches, survival jackets and My Pillow survival pillow.
Listen to the horror of the news people as they recount the SCARY WORLD OUT THERE. Crime, illegal people, drugs, homeless people, lions and tigers and bears!!
You can't watch it without losing brain cells, so imagine the brains of people who've been watching for years?
Notice how careful and worried those leaders are about the hostages being held-and killed. I bet they are staying up nights just worrying about them. What fucking depraved scum they are.
I find it darkly hilarious that they are so convinced that a One World Religion is capital E Evil, so they work very very very hard to prevent that by making sure the entire world only follows their one religion.
Indeed. Forget the Spanish Inquisition at your peril or any other tyrannical thirst for a monopolistic religion. History is repleat with morbid examples. The Founders knew this that is the very reason it’s #1 and that well regulated militia #2 on our list of rights. Freedom from a state mandated religion was more important than protecting one’s life.
The religious right reprsents a small minority in this country. I see no possible way they could take and maintain control over this country. People simply do not want to be ruled by the preachers.
The Shah had a few very bad strikes against him going into the revolution. He was backed by the US. He engaged in profligate spending; look up Peacock Throne, and he had a secret police force that helped him hold on to his grip on power so by the time Khomenei came along, the time was ripe for revolution to happen. What has happened to Iran all these many years later is a snapshot of what will happen to us if we ignore the ramifications of the power of the few zealots in an otherwise diverse country.
I was able to see the advanced screening of this at the Capitol on January 11. Rob Reiner and Dan Partland were there…watching with us and watching and listening to our reactions. They took our questions at the end.
It was quite surreal, watching it in the Capitol merely five days after the anniversary of January 6th, standing in very building which had been decimated by insurrectionists and speaking to with like-minded people and friends like Rob Boston, Allison Gill, Rachel Laser, and so many others. Representative Jared Hoffman of the Freethought Caucus had gotten us the Capitol to watch the screening in. Senator Jamie Raskin stopped in to say hi.
Rob Reiner had a lot to say about learning deeply of Christian nationalism, making this film about how dangerous the threat is about how much he learned from the people who spoke in the film. And how much he wants to get the message out there about how important it is to take this threat seriously. And he truly believes that if they win, it’s the end of democracy as we know it.
We French, didn't take it seriously when Hitler went from going to jail for his ideas to a major political player. We didn't even take his coup seriously. Same for the violations of 1919 Versailles treaty. We know how it ended.
While I don't know the details as well as I should, my impression is that the ham-fisted treatment of the Germans as outlined in the Treaty of Versailles was a near-open invitation to the advent of Hitler and World War II. Of course, hindsight is perennially 20/20. The US has learned from that in places and NOT learned from it in others.
I sometimes wonder if the hardest things we humans are tasked with is actually LEARNING from our mistakes.
The ham-fisted treatment didn't come from nowhere. Germany, following Prussia example was a nationalistic* and imperialist** country. WW1 was the consequence of a domino effect when allies from two different treaties came into play but there was already a resentment between France and Germany following the 1870 war and the loss of Alsace and Lorraine.
* Most European countries were. The myth our ancestors "Les Gaulois" and "le roman national" (the nation story aka propaganda) date back from then.
** Imperialist and who lost the colonialism race lead by the British Empire and France.
Remember Rob Reiner's earliest role as Michael Stiivic ('Meathead') in All in the Family--as Archie Bunker's liberal foil? How little the party of Archie Bunker has progressed in the past 50 years.
Years ago, buying into the lies and falsehoods as told by mom's local Christian Radio station and being completely unaware of the truth behind all this nationalism crap and the reality that goes along with it, I used to get down on my knees on the bedroom floor and pray to God for this nation to be theocratic one so that life will be so much better and we won't get to see and hear bad things ever again like swear words and porn and Hollywood would be brought back to God just like the "good old days."
Today, looking back, after spending years of learning the truth about what will really happen to this nation if it becomes theocratic, I am like, "What was I thinking, doing and praying for back then?"
Years ago, I used to believe the lie perpetuated by my mom's church, Fundie TV, and radio station which claims that America was/is a Christian Nation, until I came upon a website that exposes the claim as a mythical concept made up by power hungry Christian Fundies bent on seizing all forms of the US Government themselves. Now I no longer believe such lies-- only truth, reality, and nothing more.
It does not bug me that young people with little experience of the world naively think that. It bugs me that the older people with direct empirical evidence that it isn't true on a small scale continue to preach that it will work on a large scale.
Look fundies, your uniform religion and culture in your church congregation doesn't prevent crime in your church community. And if that's the case, what makes you think it will work on a community scale?
When you have a uniform Christianity and culture on a community scale, that doesn't prevent crime. So what makes you think it will work on a district scale.
When you have near-uniform Christianity and culture in a district, that doesn't prevent crime. So what makes you think it will work on a State scale.
We historically *had* near-Uniform Christianity and culture on the state scale. It didn't stop crime. So what makes you think it will work on a national scale?
It's willful blindness to the empirical data and wishful thinking, all the way down.
Everyone is young once; we all have to trust our parents when we're children to do what's best for us. Unfortunately, not every parent makes good decisions for their kids; you're not the only one on this message board that suffered under the delusions of Christianity for a number of years. I made the same error you did with prayer for a very long time before I understood that nobody was listening and that was a good thing because what I was asking for would have been bad for everyone.
Getting out is hard, and most people never manage it. Congrats on your success.
I took my kids to church when they were young. When they became teens, they got to choose to still go or not. They chose not to go and I was fine with that as I too was never really into the church thing over the long haul.
I had a person respond to my ad posting on another website to share my home with someone. Not sure I will do it-probably won't-but I got a reply from a woman who expressed herself well and was very interested. However, her email tag was "jesusmyking". Any bets on whether I have, or will, respond to her?
"If you're doing business with a religious son of a bitch, get it in writing; his word isn't worth shit, not with the good Lord telling him how to fuck you on the deal."
-- William S. Boroughs, from "Advice for Young People" September 28th 1993
I had a business trip to Edinburgh back in 1991 and got the education of my life. From that time forward, I've kept brandy snifters in my liquor cabinet, specifically for the single malts I maintain there (and I keep a few around!).
I read "jsesusmyking" as "jesus mic'ing" and got to musing about how the original JC would do if he materialized today and were fitted out with a microphone and a TV or streaming audience. I suspect he'd be just one more voice in a sea of televangelists and probably wouldn't get higher ratings than the fire'n'brimstone guys.
Jesus would live somewhere in West Virginia or Alabama--the equivalent of the shithole in the Middle East he came from. He would be afraid to come out as gay. And he would be shamed on social media.
I don't see the problem with Christian Nationalism. As Christian how could having me in charge everything be anything but positive for me? And If I am made in the image of God and everyone else is also made in the image of God, then anything that is good for me, must be good for everyone. And I know that God agrees with me, because I am created in God's image and if God didn't agree with me then why would I believe what I believe?
A new employee is hired at the Tickle Me Elmo factory. The personnel manager explains her duties, and tells her to report to work promptly at 8:00 AM.
The next day at 8:45 AM, there's a knock at the personnel manager's door. The assembly line foreman comes in and starts ranting about this new employee. He says she's incredibly slow, and the whole line is backing up.
The foreman takes the personnel manager down to the factory floor to show him the problem. Sure enough, Elmos are backed up all over the place.
At the end of the line is the new employee. She has a roll of the material used for the Elmos and a big bag of marbles. They both watch as she cuts a little piece of fabric, wraps it around two marbles, and starts sewing the little package between Elmo's legs.
The personnel manager starts laughing hysterically. After several minutes, he pulls himself together, walks over to the woman, and says, "I'm sorry, I guess you misunderstood me yesterday. Your job is to give Elmo two test tickles."
Only because they ARE connected, at least peripherally if not more directly. It is the exact, same attitude which wants to superimpose Christianity on our secular government that motivates those who are Christian Nationalists to take more extreme actions. What it boils down to is the old story of the Arab and the Camel. Our government, thinking that religion is a benign influence on our culture, has already allowed the head and at least part of the neck into the tent, either not realizing the mistake they've made or pretending not to know.
Over 200 years ago, Thomas Jefferson asserted that the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment created "a wall of separation between Church and State." THAT is how it should be, and now, because too many people have wanted to treat religion is harmless, we have a considerable task in returning our government to a purely secular condition.
That complaint might go over better if Trump supporters didn’t have t-shirts and shit the say “In Trump We Trust” or use the IGWT as a slogan during their arguments at school boards and town councils and in state and federal legislatures. I’m going to go out on a limb and assume it was a phrase said often during the Jan. 6 riots.
So, along with the camel’s nose parable, they are interconnected because the phrase is used by folks who are Christian Nationalists.
This "Wall of Separation"-is THAT the one that Mexico paid for? Did they pay for the wrong wall? They were SMART! That wall of separation was a whole lot less expensive.
There are no maps of world equations, differing from one region to the next. You can have a state flower or bird, but there aren’t any state chemicals. You will not find an asexual astronomy, a Baptist biology, a capitalist chemistry, an Egyptian engineering, a mammalian math, or a feminist physics. There’s only one worldwide version of each, because they’re all based on FACTS, not accidents of birth or matters of opinion.
Conversely, religion is nothing BUT opinions, no facts involved, which is why anybody’s word on religion is just as good as anyone else’s (to wit, no good at all). And, since there’s no way of resolving doctrinal disputes, we have (no kidding) 45,000 different sects of Christianity, more added weekly. And each one claims to have the one and only TRUE definition of what Christianity really is. They can't all be right, but they CAN all be wrong!
Why do MAGAt Rethuglikkkans only want to "count the cost" when Democrats occupy the White House? Infringing on the rights of states? Like GQP antiabortionists attempting to infringe on the rights of states that don't demonize or criminalize abortion?
Um, she's a US Senator; by definition, she's not a "housewife."
Also, plenty of bete noires of the Right, living and dead, like Nancy Pelosi, Al Gore, George McGovern, and Ted Kennedy have/had more children than Tuberville.
Of course I’ll stream God & Country. If I can watch horror film Jesus Camp, it’s only fair that I see views from the other side. There’s a “both sides” joke here somewhere.
"it’s also the pastors who spread misinformation to their congregations week after week without the amplification of social media. The same people who want to harm women, gay people, trans people and refugees are the same people who deny science and spread lies in the form of Purity Culture. They attend the same churches. They give money to spread these beliefs in foreign lands. They refuse to criticize their pastors for perpetuating lies. They refuse to put pressure on those pastors to use their platforms to condemn the right-wing members of their congregations."
Putting it in another way, it doesn't really matter whether it's the orcs of Saruman or the orcs of Sauron that you're having a battle with. They are still orcs, Saruman remains Saruman, Sauron remains Sauron.
I try to look ahead and wonder where this could lead-and I can't. In this battle I see it as a fight between us-who are psychologically attuned to being rational and logical and compromise and them-who are focused on there being only one way-jesus" way" THOSE PEOPLE DO NOT CHANGE-THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY-JESUS" WAY.
It seems to me that there can be no negotiation with an absolutist, and many if not most of these Christian Nationalists are, indeed, absolutists. They Have The TRUTH (if you don't believe it, they'll tell you!), and they are unwilling to waver from it.
We won't mention that said "truth" is a mess of self-contradictory crap.
The idea a particular brand of conservative Christianity could be imposed on a country as large and diverse and the United States with a happy ending, is about as stupidly dangerous as thinking gets. The founders very wisely did not give religion any role to play in our secular government. None the less, people keep trying to change that. Of all the forms of government people have dreamed up, few are worse than theocracy. In any event, if the preachers ever attained the secular power they seem to be dreaming of, they would be killing one another in the space of a week over doctrinal errors. I will never understand why mere freedom of religion isn't enough for some people, or why they're driven to force their religion on others.
Is any conservative Christian actually happy?
None that I've seen. I think it was H.L. Mencken who described fundamentalism as, “The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.”
Watch the stuff they watch for a week- the innumerable ads for survival food, survival torches, survival jackets and My Pillow survival pillow.
Listen to the horror of the news people as they recount the SCARY WORLD OUT THERE. Crime, illegal people, drugs, homeless people, lions and tigers and bears!!
You can't watch it without losing brain cells, so imagine the brains of people who've been watching for years?
Happiness is the realm of Satan. To see if domnionisim is successful, ask instead; are conservative Christians living under it more obedient?
An obedient people is a compliant people. A compliant people will give their dictator full power over their lives.
Hubris ?
Religion has spilled more blood than any other single idea.
The purposes of most religions are:
To collect money.
To control their members through fear.
To indoctrinate their children before they reach the age of reason (grooming?).
To intimidate or kill those who are not members.
Judaism does not practice conversion.
However, the theocrats who run Israel are driving this Jew crazy with their incredible stupidity and arrogance.
Notice how careful and worried those leaders are about the hostages being held-and killed. I bet they are staying up nights just worrying about them. What fucking depraved scum they are.
Don’t forget all the rapes that have been said to have occurred. I’m to the point now where I believe nothing coming out of netanyahu’s mouth.
That's a good thing to them. Don't forget-"there's power in the blood-especially the blood of jesus"
"We have tried the government of priests and we know such governments are without mercy.
In the administration of theocracy, all forms of torture have been invented."
Robert Green Ingersoll
I don’t know…the evolution of the uterus is pretty bloody. 🖤.
I’m just saying, if blood is a power factor…women hold a lot of power…
This is why women have been oppressed for millennia.
As you should be. NOW WHERE'S MY SAMMICHES!!!!
THIS is their god's demand.
TOTAL CONTROL
They want the kind of power they are not remotely fit to exercise.
They want Trump to get his hands on the nuclear codes again. He and they are insane.
Indeed.
I find it darkly hilarious that they are so convinced that a One World Religion is capital E Evil, so they work very very very hard to prevent that by making sure the entire world only follows their one religion.
I've been reading that the Islamic Republic is rotting from within. Theocracies are inherently stagnant.
Theocracies are a hair’s breath away from a tyrannical dictatorship, and they ALL will cross any and every line to hold on to their power.
Indeed. Forget the Spanish Inquisition at your peril or any other tyrannical thirst for a monopolistic religion. History is repleat with morbid examples. The Founders knew this that is the very reason it’s #1 and that well regulated militia #2 on our list of rights. Freedom from a state mandated religion was more important than protecting one’s life.
The religious right reprsents a small minority in this country. I see no possible way they could take and maintain control over this country. People simply do not want to be ruled by the preachers.
The problem is they think they are the majority.
Even Christians don't like NatCs.
There are a lot of Christians who worship Trump like a god, even though he's really more like the Golden Calf.
Or Golden Ass, in his case.
I knew it reminded me of something
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Ass
http://tinyurl.com/yps3c8u3
The Shah had a few very bad strikes against him going into the revolution. He was backed by the US. He engaged in profligate spending; look up Peacock Throne, and he had a secret police force that helped him hold on to his grip on power so by the time Khomenei came along, the time was ripe for revolution to happen. What has happened to Iran all these many years later is a snapshot of what will happen to us if we ignore the ramifications of the power of the few zealots in an otherwise diverse country.
I was able to see the advanced screening of this at the Capitol on January 11. Rob Reiner and Dan Partland were there…watching with us and watching and listening to our reactions. They took our questions at the end.
It was quite surreal, watching it in the Capitol merely five days after the anniversary of January 6th, standing in very building which had been decimated by insurrectionists and speaking to with like-minded people and friends like Rob Boston, Allison Gill, Rachel Laser, and so many others. Representative Jared Hoffman of the Freethought Caucus had gotten us the Capitol to watch the screening in. Senator Jamie Raskin stopped in to say hi.
Rob Reiner had a lot to say about learning deeply of Christian nationalism, making this film about how dangerous the threat is about how much he learned from the people who spoke in the film. And how much he wants to get the message out there about how important it is to take this threat seriously. And he truly believes that if they win, it’s the end of democracy as we know it.
… I think he’s right.
I lie.
I know he’s right.
We French, didn't take it seriously when Hitler went from going to jail for his ideas to a major political player. We didn't even take his coup seriously. Same for the violations of 1919 Versailles treaty. We know how it ended.
While I don't know the details as well as I should, my impression is that the ham-fisted treatment of the Germans as outlined in the Treaty of Versailles was a near-open invitation to the advent of Hitler and World War II. Of course, hindsight is perennially 20/20. The US has learned from that in places and NOT learned from it in others.
I sometimes wonder if the hardest things we humans are tasked with is actually LEARNING from our mistakes.
The ham-fisted treatment didn't come from nowhere. Germany, following Prussia example was a nationalistic* and imperialist** country. WW1 was the consequence of a domino effect when allies from two different treaties came into play but there was already a resentment between France and Germany following the 1870 war and the loss of Alsace and Lorraine.
* Most European countries were. The myth our ancestors "Les Gaulois" and "le roman national" (the nation story aka propaganda) date back from then.
** Imperialist and who lost the colonialism race lead by the British Empire and France.
Remember Rob Reiner's earliest role as Michael Stiivic ('Meathead') in All in the Family--as Archie Bunker's liberal foil? How little the party of Archie Bunker has progressed in the past 50 years.
Years ago, buying into the lies and falsehoods as told by mom's local Christian Radio station and being completely unaware of the truth behind all this nationalism crap and the reality that goes along with it, I used to get down on my knees on the bedroom floor and pray to God for this nation to be theocratic one so that life will be so much better and we won't get to see and hear bad things ever again like swear words and porn and Hollywood would be brought back to God just like the "good old days."
Today, looking back, after spending years of learning the truth about what will really happen to this nation if it becomes theocratic, I am like, "What was I thinking, doing and praying for back then?"
Hey, you got out from under it. THAT is what counts! 👍
Years ago, I used to believe the lie perpetuated by my mom's church, Fundie TV, and radio station which claims that America was/is a Christian Nation, until I came upon a website that exposes the claim as a mythical concept made up by power hungry Christian Fundies bent on seizing all forms of the US Government themselves. Now I no longer believe such lies-- only truth, reality, and nothing more.
Congratulations on breaking free.
Sadly, you’re the exception rather than the rule.
It does not bug me that young people with little experience of the world naively think that. It bugs me that the older people with direct empirical evidence that it isn't true on a small scale continue to preach that it will work on a large scale.
Look fundies, your uniform religion and culture in your church congregation doesn't prevent crime in your church community. And if that's the case, what makes you think it will work on a community scale?
When you have a uniform Christianity and culture on a community scale, that doesn't prevent crime. So what makes you think it will work on a district scale.
When you have near-uniform Christianity and culture in a district, that doesn't prevent crime. So what makes you think it will work on a State scale.
We historically *had* near-Uniform Christianity and culture on the state scale. It didn't stop crime. So what makes you think it will work on a national scale?
It's willful blindness to the empirical data and wishful thinking, all the way down.
Everyone is young once; we all have to trust our parents when we're children to do what's best for us. Unfortunately, not every parent makes good decisions for their kids; you're not the only one on this message board that suffered under the delusions of Christianity for a number of years. I made the same error you did with prayer for a very long time before I understood that nobody was listening and that was a good thing because what I was asking for would have been bad for everyone.
Getting out is hard, and most people never manage it. Congrats on your success.
I took my kids to church when they were young. When they became teens, they got to choose to still go or not. They chose not to go and I was fine with that as I too was never really into the church thing over the long haul.
Don't trust A N Y of them; they lie to themselves about Skydaddy, why would they tell the truth about faithfulness to the Constitution?
They use the Constitution like they use the Bible: as a bludgeon to beat other people with.
I had a person respond to my ad posting on another website to share my home with someone. Not sure I will do it-probably won't-but I got a reply from a woman who expressed herself well and was very interested. However, her email tag was "jesusmyking". Any bets on whether I have, or will, respond to her?
I avoid doing business with a person who right out of the gate says they are religious. It’s the go to manipulation tactic for sociopaths.
"If you're doing business with a religious son of a bitch, get it in writing; his word isn't worth shit, not with the good Lord telling him how to fuck you on the deal."
-- William S. Boroughs, from "Advice for Young People" September 28th 1993
As I'm sure you know-writing means nothing. They are usually incompetent sons of bitches. Never use the cocksuckers.
Yeah-this "Have a Blessed Day" fucking turns me off.
Wonder how the goddies would react to being told to "Have a Rational Day."
Good one-let's try.
Translation: Let me piss on your leg and say mine.
The more they advertise about it, the bigger the red flag.
Your sincerely held beliefs forbid you to have any kind of bible* in your home.
* Your choice between the modern definition or the original Greek one.
You respond with Odin 5-ever!!
Or maybe 𝐴𝑣𝑒 𝑆𝑎𝑡𝑎𝑛𝑖𝑠!
Starting at 5:50 pm one of the French version would be Ave Saint Pastis*.
*Alcool made of anise. To dilute with water or for unsuspecting Dutches bars, several fingers in a large glass like whisky.
I think I'll stick with a good single-malt! 😁
Happened to my parents in the 80's. They demonstrated the correct way to drink it.
I had a business trip to Edinburgh back in 1991 and got the education of my life. From that time forward, I've kept brandy snifters in my liquor cabinet, specifically for the single malts I maintain there (and I keep a few around!).
I read "jsesusmyking" as "jesus mic'ing" and got to musing about how the original JC would do if he materialized today and were fitted out with a microphone and a TV or streaming audience. I suspect he'd be just one more voice in a sea of televangelists and probably wouldn't get higher ratings than the fire'n'brimstone guys.
Jesus would live somewhere in West Virginia or Alabama--the equivalent of the shithole in the Middle East he came from. He would be afraid to come out as gay. And he would be shamed on social media.
I don't see the problem with Christian Nationalism. As Christian how could having me in charge everything be anything but positive for me? And If I am made in the image of God and everyone else is also made in the image of God, then anything that is good for me, must be good for everyone. And I know that God agrees with me, because I am created in God's image and if God didn't agree with me then why would I believe what I believe?
"I am created in God's image."
Why does god have a bellybutton?
Never mind a penis, scrotum, and a pair of testes!
And a sphincter. Not to mention nipples and the remnants of a tail.
Lighting a fart was the Big Bang. I saw a documentary.
Only a pair?
Well, last I knew, two testes was standard issue. Is Yahweh special or something? 🤔
A new employee is hired at the Tickle Me Elmo factory. The personnel manager explains her duties, and tells her to report to work promptly at 8:00 AM.
The next day at 8:45 AM, there's a knock at the personnel manager's door. The assembly line foreman comes in and starts ranting about this new employee. He says she's incredibly slow, and the whole line is backing up.
The foreman takes the personnel manager down to the factory floor to show him the problem. Sure enough, Elmos are backed up all over the place.
At the end of the line is the new employee. She has a roll of the material used for the Elmos and a big bag of marbles. They both watch as she cuts a little piece of fabric, wraps it around two marbles, and starts sewing the little package between Elmo's legs.
The personnel manager starts laughing hysterically. After several minutes, he pulls himself together, walks over to the woman, and says, "I'm sorry, I guess you misunderstood me yesterday. Your job is to give Elmo two test tickles."
That one just went to my friends at Atheist Universe! 🤣🤣🤣
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Heeeeyyyyy...that's me too! I guess we will have to knife fight for it, the way Jesus intended.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6ca119ffc634b8c092e5848874d01cbd9b49ef2b96504f628c020acc93ace7f5.jpg
https://youtu.be/kVSKiCtA3Bo
𝐺𝑜𝑑 & 𝐶𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑡𝑟𝑦 𝑙𝑒𝑎𝑣𝑒𝑠 𝑣𝑖𝑒𝑤𝑒𝑟𝑠 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑖𝑚𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑠𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑙𝑜𝑔𝑎𝑛 “𝐼𝑛 𝐺𝑜𝑑 𝑊𝑒 𝑇𝑟𝑢𝑠𝑡” 𝑜𝑛 𝑜𝑢𝑟 𝑐𝑢𝑟𝑟𝑒𝑛𝑐𝑦 𝑜𝑟 “𝑢𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑟 𝐺𝑜𝑑” 𝑖𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑃𝑙𝑒𝑑𝑔𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝐴𝑙𝑙𝑒𝑔𝑖𝑎𝑛𝑐𝑒 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑠𝑜𝑚𝑒ℎ𝑜𝑤 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑛𝑒𝑐𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑤ℎ𝑎𝑡 ℎ𝑎𝑝𝑝𝑒𝑛𝑒𝑑 𝑜𝑛 𝐽𝑎𝑛𝑢𝑎𝑟𝑦 6𝑡ℎ.
Only because they ARE connected, at least peripherally if not more directly. It is the exact, same attitude which wants to superimpose Christianity on our secular government that motivates those who are Christian Nationalists to take more extreme actions. What it boils down to is the old story of the Arab and the Camel. Our government, thinking that religion is a benign influence on our culture, has already allowed the head and at least part of the neck into the tent, either not realizing the mistake they've made or pretending not to know.
Over 200 years ago, Thomas Jefferson asserted that the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment created "a wall of separation between Church and State." THAT is how it should be, and now, because too many people have wanted to treat religion is harmless, we have a considerable task in returning our government to a purely secular condition.
That complaint might go over better if Trump supporters didn’t have t-shirts and shit the say “In Trump We Trust” or use the IGWT as a slogan during their arguments at school boards and town councils and in state and federal legislatures. I’m going to go out on a limb and assume it was a phrase said often during the Jan. 6 riots.
So, along with the camel’s nose parable, they are interconnected because the phrase is used by folks who are Christian Nationalists.
This "Wall of Separation"-is THAT the one that Mexico paid for? Did they pay for the wrong wall? They were SMART! That wall of separation was a whole lot less expensive.
And here I thought they were talking about Walla Walla, Washington! 🤪
What's the Wakonda has to do with it ?
I dunno. Maybe T'Challa likes Washington state! 😁
I have a joke but it's a spoiler for Black Panther 2.
Wakanda Forever!
In the trailer, the question is asked, "Is Christian Nationalism Christian?" and the answer given is "No, it isn't."
But, like, ISN'T it? It may not be the version of Christianity she prefers, but it is Christian, right?
There are no maps of world equations, differing from one region to the next. You can have a state flower or bird, but there aren’t any state chemicals. You will not find an asexual astronomy, a Baptist biology, a capitalist chemistry, an Egyptian engineering, a mammalian math, or a feminist physics. There’s only one worldwide version of each, because they’re all based on FACTS, not accidents of birth or matters of opinion.
Conversely, religion is nothing BUT opinions, no facts involved, which is why anybody’s word on religion is just as good as anyone else’s (to wit, no good at all). And, since there’s no way of resolving doctrinal disputes, we have (no kidding) 45,000 different sects of Christianity, more added weekly. And each one claims to have the one and only TRUE definition of what Christianity really is. They can't all be right, but they CAN all be wrong!
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No, and the Vatican is not a theocracy 😇
Does a bear shit in the Vatican?
In frankie's chalices of hatred.
🤣
According to the bibble, almost anything can be xtian.
gawd loved genocide so Hitler was a good kkkrister doing god's work, eliminating undesirables
Christians have time machines ? Zorg will not be happy.
Vortex energy refuses to work with religionistas.
Christian time machines don't function because the "history" found in the bible isn't real.
The title God & Country itself is a dead giveaway. The Big Sky Faerie uber alles, while "Country" ranks (a distant) 2nd.
The Key Founders saw the dangers of mixing religion and governance centuries ago. NatCs are to be fought, everywhere and always.
OT : https://www.meidastouch.com/news/tuberville-britt-was-chosen-because-shes-a-housewife-dems-hate-families
IVF.
OT - So much for being pro-life
𝐌𝐀𝐆𝐀 𝐊𝐚𝐧𝐬𝐚𝐬 𝐀𝐆 𝐀𝐭𝐭𝐚𝐜𝐤𝐬 𝐁𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐧 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐖𝐚𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐓𝐨 𝐑𝐞𝐩𝐥𝐚𝐜𝐞 𝐋𝐞𝐚𝐝 𝐏𝐢𝐩𝐞𝐬
https://www.meidastouch.com/news/maga-kansas-ag-attacks-biden-for-wanting-to-replace-lead-pipes
Most of Kobach's criticisms could also apply to Trump's pet "border wall" proposal.
I have an idea, if it's not dangerous why don't his family and him drink water laced with lead for a couple of months ?
Bet Kobach and his family drink bottled water.
Why do MAGAt Rethuglikkkans only want to "count the cost" when Democrats occupy the White House? Infringing on the rights of states? Like GQP antiabortionists attempting to infringe on the rights of states that don't demonize or criminalize abortion?
She hasn't touched a vac in years if ever.☺️
Worse, as a lawmaker in a way she orders men.
Um, she's a US Senator; by definition, she's not a "housewife."
Also, plenty of bete noires of the Right, living and dead, like Nancy Pelosi, Al Gore, George McGovern, and Ted Kennedy have/had more children than Tuberville.
My bride came across a meme recently about “evangenitals”. I tried googling it but all I found was a band by that name.
Most evangelicals would say that kind of meme really hits below the belt.
They can just zip-per it.
Keep it brief.
Christian idiocy gets me out of shorts.
Especially xtian MAGAts. They're the Fruit of the Loon.
A bunch of tighty whities.
Hanes down.
Here's one...
https://ifunny.co/tags/evangenitals
Or was this it?
https://br.ifunny.co/picture/new-word-evangenitals-fundamentalist-christians-who-are-constantly-interested-in-Y79Ij9iFB
This one, I think. Good google-fu!
https://www.evangenitals.com/
TRY THESE
https://www.facebook.com/search/top?q=evaangenitals
"This page isn't available."
Of course I’ll stream God & Country. If I can watch horror film Jesus Camp, it’s only fair that I see views from the other side. There’s a “both sides” joke here somewhere.
"it’s also the pastors who spread misinformation to their congregations week after week without the amplification of social media. The same people who want to harm women, gay people, trans people and refugees are the same people who deny science and spread lies in the form of Purity Culture. They attend the same churches. They give money to spread these beliefs in foreign lands. They refuse to criticize their pastors for perpetuating lies. They refuse to put pressure on those pastors to use their platforms to condemn the right-wing members of their congregations."
Putting it in another way, it doesn't really matter whether it's the orcs of Saruman or the orcs of Sauron that you're having a battle with. They are still orcs, Saruman remains Saruman, Sauron remains Sauron.
ALL gods are equally fictitious.
As I like to say, Jesus, Allah and Yahweh have one thing in common: none of them exists in reality.
You're not being fair here. Some are even more fictitious than the fictitious others.
"But there are multiple places in God & Country... where the storytelling conflates politically active evangelicalism with Christian nationalism.
Has a very 1945-ish "Hey! Not all German nationalists are Nazis!!!!" vibe to it.
I try to look ahead and wonder where this could lead-and I can't. In this battle I see it as a fight between us-who are psychologically attuned to being rational and logical and compromise and them-who are focused on there being only one way-jesus" way" THOSE PEOPLE DO NOT CHANGE-THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY-JESUS" WAY.
It seems to me that there can be no negotiation with an absolutist, and many if not most of these Christian Nationalists are, indeed, absolutists. They Have The TRUTH (if you don't believe it, they'll tell you!), and they are unwilling to waver from it.
We won't mention that said "truth" is a mess of self-contradictory crap.
Okay. From now, everyone commenting here will eat only a staple of French schools lunches, boiled beets and corn kernels.
If you are not happy, at least I want to force something substantial down your throats.
May I have pickled beets instead of just plain boiled beets, please?
The law forbid to pickle any vegetable other than onions and cucumbers.
The recipe I know for pickled beets is really for pickled beets and onions together...
Say that to the proponents to L'exception culturelke française.
I will refer them to the proponents of L'exception culturelke polonaise
Ssshhh !!! Do you want me dead ?! I have a jar of polish cucumber pickles hidden at home !
Better boiled beets than the body or blood (or other innerds) of Jesus.