The whole "conversion therapy" thing was bad enough. But soliciting a MINOR? Real charming, Chambers ... NOT. I think Dante would have reserved the 10 Level of Hell for you, if the damned place existed at all!
“ Orange County court records show that the charges against him include “solicitation of a minor via computer,” “transmission of material harmful to minors,” and “unlawful use of a two-way communication device.””
Without meaning to defend this dude in any way, I am troubled by the multitude of arcane criminal charges. I have noted this for at least 15 years. Perps are being charged with multiple crimes for what is essentially a single act. “Unlawful use of a two-way communication device.” Did anyone know that’s a crime? I don’t like government being given these overreaching authorities. (See, I really am a conservative.)
A single event can be covered by multiple laws. A robbery can involve armed robbery, aggravated assault, theft, and probably a litany of other legal terms. I suspect it's partly to ensure conviction. While historically, gay people have been prosecuted, it was often just tolerated. It was only when they crossed some other line, they would throw the gay charge into the mix. Individually they may not be much, but combined, they are a lot.
But I'm with you, I'm against government overreach and piling on bogus, spurious charges to overwhelm defendants. That's not being conservative, that's being democratic. Conservatives love an overreaching government if it means hurting people they don't like. It gives them the illusion of being guiltless while the gov't acts on their behalf, kind of like when the Jews had the Romans execute Jesus.
It's never a good idea to delegate one's thinking to the clergy under any circumstances. For one thing they speak with no consistent voice, and for another they always have their own secrets.
It's never a good idea to delegate your thinking to any authority figure lest they take advantage of you. Sad to say, a lot of ministers use religion as a cloak for evil.
I wonder – if he wasn't a Christian would he have done this? Is it the constant stress of being someone that the church disapproves of? I guess in the end it comes down to his choices, but he must've been under tremendous pressure to conform. And that must have caused huge cognitive dissonance. Doesn't excuse hitting on 14-year-olds though. I don't think anyone here would have condemned him if he'd approached a grown man.
I think if there was some other non-religious factor preventing him from being a healthy happy gay man, he'd have committed the same crime. But in this case, that factor was conservative evangelical Christianity.
I don’t know the man, so I can’t sayfor sure. I have been studying this now intensely for the last few years, and it doesn’t surprise me.
But I actually think that the answer is a bit more simultaneously direct and twisty. I think a lifetime of lies takes a toll. He feels powerless, and he knows his God is powerless. Nothing ever changed for him. So by his own perception of himself, he was weak and powerless about his attraction to males. We already know that rape and child abuse are often about power. So here was a “boy” who was at least past puberty, so not a child except legally. But chambers still had more power than he did.
But I don’t know. I think it very difficult to fathom people who are so repressed, just as I find it difficult to fathom people who truly believe in magical, immensely powerful, immortal, and invisible beings that have nothing better to do with their time than fuck around with us. That would be Q in the Star Trek universe, but nothing that makes sense in the real world.
Believing in fairytales doesn’t make you a predator of children. No one here would claim that it does,. And certainly not myself.
But as I say in my somewhat lengthy comment, the sheer sexual repression required to be both a committed conservative Christian AND a homosexual who absolutely knows what he is— that will produce a very twisted and distorted version of a barely human being. We see it all the time.
I made a answer above. And I feel sorry for that the majority of Americans believe in fairytales and lying presidents.. I think it's maybe related, hence why Drumpf became a republican after being democrate until a black man got elected president, and he dared make fun of him being racist. Americans ain't very smart. Hence Black/Latinos (LBGTQ?) for Trump..
The point was the part after about 70% of Americans believe in these fairytales, so for your kids sake, I hope it isn't so.
Again. My point answering him, is that 3/4 of Americans are christians and thereby pedophile by the logic. Was that so hard to understand or are these the "Low IQ people"?
I don't have kids. I am also LGBT. People that are taught sex is wrong (aka religious nuts) are often the ones that ending up being the perpetrators of these crimes. While there are plenty of non-christian criminals, the ones that scream the loudest about 'morality' are more likely to be kiddy rapists and there is an endless parade of sanctimonious, pedophile christians in the news.
I make it a bit more clear. I don't think blaming fairytales (maybe except the bible where incest is A ok! (Noah's daughters)) for the depravity of sick people, have any value whatsoever. Neither that pedos convictions often have priests and old religious aunts that this child molester is so humble when having prayer meetings, have any value of the persons morals and behavior.
I am confused myself, I defend people believing in the big Mickey Mouse in heaven..
I don't think I said lying about being gay while being religious makes you a paedophile. I simply said that the contrast between what he was and what he believed created a great deal of stress which might have led to this behaviour. Everyone knows God makes paedophiles.
Alan Chambers, the former head of Exodus, the man who admitted that after years of claiming that gay people could change, That hundreds of thousands had changed through prayer and proper Jesusing, he admitted that no one changed, least of all himself? Remember also he’s the man that left heterosexuality behind as a goal for his organization, and decided to embrace holiness instead. Remember that the one good thing he did in his life was to finally admit that his organization and his life’s work were not merely a failure, but a lie.
Well, of course, that isn’t news. Alan Chambers was arrested Today for attempting to contact a 14-year-old boy for purposes of sex. In other words, an attempted pedophile. Turns out the pedo He wanted to phile was in fact a police officer.
all right, , everyone: WHO HAD THAT ON THEIR BINGO CARD FOR TODAY?
Who would have thought that a lifetime of lies, sexual repression, lies , and more lies would have a complete perversion of everything he claimed to believe?
Can you spell CORRUPTION?
I actually feel a little bit sorry for him, but only a little bit. He is yet another victim of religious based homophobia. But this time, he directed it at himself. When he told us that his marriage was valid and valuable to him, even though he knew he was gay, I believed he was sincere, and maybe he was. But again, he made his living by lying about innocent others, And it turns out his faith was a sham.
Oh well, another day Ending in Why?
But we know why. Lies and sexual repression will do that to you.
I don't feel sorry for this jackass in the slightest. He didn't just set about to fool people with his BS; he wanted to include HIMSELF in the bargain. Turns out, he failed at both. THEN he turns around and goes after a MINOR.
He is also a victim,as I said. A willing victim, absolutely. An architect of his own victimization—of course. A dishonest lying mofo who hurt a lot of people because he couldn’t be honest with himself, either. You betcha!
I’m not saying in any sense that he is innocent in any sense of the word. I’m pretty sure that if he got arrested for this, he’s guilty, because we see this a few times a week without fail. What I’m saying is that he reminds me of my brother, who so hated himself for so many things, but all for being gay. He hated himself so much that he didn’t even tell me, because he was afraid that I would convince him that being gay was fine.
And I would have made the effort for him. But that doesn’t mean that I am not angry about my brother, because I am angry, still, 25 years after he died. He could have told me, but he hated himself so much.
And chambers had been also carefully taught to hate. That he chose to do so is on him.
Just wow. If someone had set out to attempt to discredit and damage their community, I'm not sure they could do a better job than this.
Goes from a conservative 'I got cured, and you can too!' over to 'oh, man, I'm soooooo sorry!' all the way to 'yeah, let's go commit a crime most folks think is horrific'. I think we can be forgiven for thinking this guy's only setting is toxic. I would ask what in the heck Chambers was thinking, but it's crystal clear the answer is that he wasn't.
Here's hoping Chambers gets locked up at this point, if only so he can stop being such a hazard to everyone around him for a bit and reflect on his life choices for a while, it sure seems like he needs it.
Chambers is just a genuinely dishonest person. He pretended he was straight, pretended prayer worked and then after claiming he was sorry for the harm done to LGBT people, he decides child rape is okay. A christian through and through.
He has compounded the harm of his earlier actions. Consensual sex is fine, but not with a minor. That's rape.
It gets them hard.
The leopard didn’t actually change his spots, he just moved in a different direction.
And then ate the faces of everyone who ever trusted him.
Slurp, burp
The whole "conversion therapy" thing was bad enough. But soliciting a MINOR? Real charming, Chambers ... NOT. I think Dante would have reserved the 10 Level of Hell for you, if the damned place existed at all!
Why, indeed.
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I think it's called, "misdirection!"
Not a Drag Queen.
Definitely a Florida Man.
Quelle surprise!
NOT.
“ Orange County court records show that the charges against him include “solicitation of a minor via computer,” “transmission of material harmful to minors,” and “unlawful use of a two-way communication device.””
Without meaning to defend this dude in any way, I am troubled by the multitude of arcane criminal charges. I have noted this for at least 15 years. Perps are being charged with multiple crimes for what is essentially a single act. “Unlawful use of a two-way communication device.” Did anyone know that’s a crime? I don’t like government being given these overreaching authorities. (See, I really am a conservative.)
A single event can be covered by multiple laws. A robbery can involve armed robbery, aggravated assault, theft, and probably a litany of other legal terms. I suspect it's partly to ensure conviction. While historically, gay people have been prosecuted, it was often just tolerated. It was only when they crossed some other line, they would throw the gay charge into the mix. Individually they may not be much, but combined, they are a lot.
But I'm with you, I'm against government overreach and piling on bogus, spurious charges to overwhelm defendants. That's not being conservative, that's being democratic. Conservatives love an overreaching government if it means hurting people they don't like. It gives them the illusion of being guiltless while the gov't acts on their behalf, kind of like when the Jews had the Romans execute Jesus.
Overreach conservatives love:
banning abortion
banning same-sex marriage
banning homosexuality
banning drag queen reading time
banning stem cell research
banning HRT
banning vaccines
banning divorce
banning marital rape as rape
banning books
What they don't want the gov't to do is:
ban conversion therapy
ban super-spreader events
ban posting the 10 commandments
ban teaching the bible in school
prosecute pedophile priests
protect children in homeschooling
These lists are far from exhaustive.
Not prosecuting pedophile priests
It seems to me that they over charge people in order to get them to accept a plea deal for a lesser charge or charges.
Agreed. Some — a lot — of these “crimes” seem to have been invented for that very purpose. And that’s what I object to.
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Way to miss the point by landing on it, Couchfucker. Yes, you 𝘥𝘰 deserve to be in prison for defrauding the American people. We completely agree.
It seems like he's saying raising prices is committing fraud. Does he not know how capitalism works?
He doesn't know how to buy donuts, so I suppose not.
When was that? A few minutes ago?
It's never a good idea to delegate one's thinking to the clergy under any circumstances. For one thing they speak with no consistent voice, and for another they always have their own secrets.
It's never a good idea to delegate your thinking to any authority figure lest they take advantage of you. Sad to say, a lot of ministers use religion as a cloak for evil.
I wonder – if he wasn't a Christian would he have done this? Is it the constant stress of being someone that the church disapproves of? I guess in the end it comes down to his choices, but he must've been under tremendous pressure to conform. And that must have caused huge cognitive dissonance. Doesn't excuse hitting on 14-year-olds though. I don't think anyone here would have condemned him if he'd approached a grown man.
Sorta.
I think if there was some other non-religious factor preventing him from being a healthy happy gay man, he'd have committed the same crime. But in this case, that factor was conservative evangelical Christianity.
He might not have.
I don’t know the man, so I can’t sayfor sure. I have been studying this now intensely for the last few years, and it doesn’t surprise me.
But I actually think that the answer is a bit more simultaneously direct and twisty. I think a lifetime of lies takes a toll. He feels powerless, and he knows his God is powerless. Nothing ever changed for him. So by his own perception of himself, he was weak and powerless about his attraction to males. We already know that rape and child abuse are often about power. So here was a “boy” who was at least past puberty, so not a child except legally. But chambers still had more power than he did.
But I don’t know. I think it very difficult to fathom people who are so repressed, just as I find it difficult to fathom people who truly believe in magical, immensely powerful, immortal, and invisible beings that have nothing better to do with their time than fuck around with us. That would be Q in the Star Trek universe, but nothing that makes sense in the real world.
Not sure what you implied here.
Lying about being gay while being religious make you a pedophile?
I don't think believing in fairytales making you a predator of children.
If so, the US have a big problem with like 70 -80% of population are religious.. (maybe Christianity have 70% alone?)..
Believing in fairytales doesn’t make you a predator of children. No one here would claim that it does,. And certainly not myself.
But as I say in my somewhat lengthy comment, the sheer sexual repression required to be both a committed conservative Christian AND a homosexual who absolutely knows what he is— that will produce a very twisted and distorted version of a barely human being. We see it all the time.
I made a answer above. And I feel sorry for that the majority of Americans believe in fairytales and lying presidents.. I think it's maybe related, hence why Drumpf became a republican after being democrate until a black man got elected president, and he dared make fun of him being racist. Americans ain't very smart. Hence Black/Latinos (LBGTQ?) for Trump..
"I don't think believing in fairytales making you a predator of children."
Is this your first time reading about something like this here? It's a daily parade of the christians molesting children.
The point was the part after about 70% of Americans believe in these fairytales, so for your kids sake, I hope it isn't so.
Again. My point answering him, is that 3/4 of Americans are christians and thereby pedophile by the logic. Was that so hard to understand or are these the "Low IQ people"?
Did you read the comment I responded too?
I don't have kids. I am also LGBT. People that are taught sex is wrong (aka religious nuts) are often the ones that ending up being the perpetrators of these crimes. While there are plenty of non-christian criminals, the ones that scream the loudest about 'morality' are more likely to be kiddy rapists and there is an endless parade of sanctimonious, pedophile christians in the news.
I did read the comment and I agree with GS.
I make it a bit more clear. I don't think blaming fairytales (maybe except the bible where incest is A ok! (Noah's daughters)) for the depravity of sick people, have any value whatsoever. Neither that pedos convictions often have priests and old religious aunts that this child molester is so humble when having prayer meetings, have any value of the persons morals and behavior.
I am confused myself, I defend people believing in the big Mickey Mouse in heaven..
I don't think I said lying about being gay while being religious makes you a paedophile. I simply said that the contrast between what he was and what he believed created a great deal of stress which might have led to this behaviour. Everyone knows God makes paedophiles.
Everyone knows that Santa Claus goes down the chimney even if you don't have a fireplace too...
WTF, noone take the point?
There is so much that I could say about this.
Alan Chambers, the former head of Exodus, the man who admitted that after years of claiming that gay people could change, That hundreds of thousands had changed through prayer and proper Jesusing, he admitted that no one changed, least of all himself? Remember also he’s the man that left heterosexuality behind as a goal for his organization, and decided to embrace holiness instead. Remember that the one good thing he did in his life was to finally admit that his organization and his life’s work were not merely a failure, but a lie.
Well, of course, that isn’t news. Alan Chambers was arrested Today for attempting to contact a 14-year-old boy for purposes of sex. In other words, an attempted pedophile. Turns out the pedo He wanted to phile was in fact a police officer.
all right, , everyone: WHO HAD THAT ON THEIR BINGO CARD FOR TODAY?
Who would have thought that a lifetime of lies, sexual repression, lies , and more lies would have a complete perversion of everything he claimed to believe?
Can you spell CORRUPTION?
I actually feel a little bit sorry for him, but only a little bit. He is yet another victim of religious based homophobia. But this time, he directed it at himself. When he told us that his marriage was valid and valuable to him, even though he knew he was gay, I believed he was sincere, and maybe he was. But again, he made his living by lying about innocent others, And it turns out his faith was a sham.
Oh well, another day Ending in Why?
But we know why. Lies and sexual repression will do that to you.
I don't feel sorry for this jackass in the slightest. He didn't just set about to fool people with his BS; he wanted to include HIMSELF in the bargain. Turns out, he failed at both. THEN he turns around and goes after a MINOR.
I hope the judge throws the book at him!
I agree, yet…
He is also a victim,as I said. A willing victim, absolutely. An architect of his own victimization—of course. A dishonest lying mofo who hurt a lot of people because he couldn’t be honest with himself, either. You betcha!
I’m not saying in any sense that he is innocent in any sense of the word. I’m pretty sure that if he got arrested for this, he’s guilty, because we see this a few times a week without fail. What I’m saying is that he reminds me of my brother, who so hated himself for so many things, but all for being gay. He hated himself so much that he didn’t even tell me, because he was afraid that I would convince him that being gay was fine.
And I would have made the effort for him. But that doesn’t mean that I am not angry about my brother, because I am angry, still, 25 years after he died. He could have told me, but he hated himself so much.
And chambers had been also carefully taught to hate. That he chose to do so is on him.
So in other words he's still preying on kids, but has merely changed tack.
Business as usual.
Predators don't change.
Just wow. If someone had set out to attempt to discredit and damage their community, I'm not sure they could do a better job than this.
Goes from a conservative 'I got cured, and you can too!' over to 'oh, man, I'm soooooo sorry!' all the way to 'yeah, let's go commit a crime most folks think is horrific'. I think we can be forgiven for thinking this guy's only setting is toxic. I would ask what in the heck Chambers was thinking, but it's crystal clear the answer is that he wasn't.
Here's hoping Chambers gets locked up at this point, if only so he can stop being such a hazard to everyone around him for a bit and reflect on his life choices for a while, it sure seems like he needs it.
*𝘚𝘪𝘪𝘪𝘪𝘪𝘨𝘩*
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Nah. The beard would be a combover.
Chambers is just a genuinely dishonest person. He pretended he was straight, pretended prayer worked and then after claiming he was sorry for the harm done to LGBT people, he decides child rape is okay. A christian through and through.
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I don’t think you ever pretended to be straight. He just claimed how he was living heterosexual lifestyle.