I live in Oklahoma and this is the first I’m hearing of this, so Thank you. Also, might want to correct that Drummond is no longer running. He was defeated by Mazzei in the runoff in August. Thanks again for the update!
Of course, upholding the Establishment Clause is a perceived violation of the Free Exercise Clause. They are so desperate to have the Establishment Clause stripped down to the point that Congress is only prohibited from declaring one individual sect of conservative Protestant Christianity to be the official Church of the United States. I am only slightly surprised that it's a Reagan appointee and not one Mango Mussolini installed.
The Christian Nazionalists goal is to force ALL public schools to be religious indoctrination machines. They only want students learning what they want, regardless of the facts.
How many times have I said it? What part of: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." doesn't Judge Russell get? That means no Christian schools, no Islamic schools, and NO JEWISH SCHOOLS may be funded with public monies. Yet somehow he figures that the state is discriminating against Jewish charter schools because Oklahoma has "charter schools of disparate philosophical or educational persuasions," which supposedly opens the door to religious charter schools.
They used the Jewish charter school to try and deflect from their desire to establish a Christian theocracy. "Judeo-Christian" has become a buzzword to them as shorthand for "see, we're not 𝗿𝗲𝗮𝗹𝗹𝘆 Nazis".
I'd be dubious. Right-wing Christians, by and large, are pretty intolerant of Islam. Indeed, they're not much for any other religion other than their own specific branch of Christianity.
It's already happened via state school voucher and scholarship programs (see the Hifz Academy and Bayaan Academy, both in Tampa, FL. Combined, they've pulled in $18 million dollars over 10 years)
Forget about the religion side of this for a second. Any organization that does not participate in funding schools should not participate in getting funding for schools.
Organized religion, all across the board, is desperate to get government to backstop their religion because they know full-well they're losing the long game. I'm cautiously hopeful forcing religion into the public schools isn't going to have the outcome they're hoping for. Kids simply have access to a lot of information, and there's a good chance they're going to resent having religion forced on them.
Jews already have Jewish Day School, Yeshiva, Hebrew School (Religious/Sunday School), Cheder and Mesivta. God in Heaven, isn't that more than enough? Do they really need to put their hands on taxpayer dollars?
Jesus Christ, it shouldn't be this complex: my money should not go to support any religion unless I willingly consent to give it to them personally. Public schools should not be indoctrinating children with a specific religious viewpoint. What happened to "parent's rights for religious instruction"?
Thanks for the article. I thought that this was done already in the OC area. But after a closer look, not to this extent. Just use of a Christian based educational material.
I’m going to run this idea up the flag pole and see who salutes.
What would happen if we formed our own charter schools and forced the state to subsidize them?
I’m talking about progressive schools which teach REAL science (and not creationist psychobabble); philosophy; ethics; critical thinking; REAL history (and not sanitized, “white” US history) including the history of labor movements, women’s history, LGBT history, and the history of people of color in this country; which required students to learn two foreign languages fluently; proficiency on a musical instrument or in art; theater; and essential life skills, such as cooking, maintaining a house, personal finance, sex education (including frank discussions of sex, contraception, abortion, homo-, bi- and transsexuality).
I think it’s time we started using red states’ tactics right back on them — and making them pay for the privilege of us using their tactics right back on them.
WCNs will be thrilled at the possibility to getting money from the state to indoctrinate their kids. It just amazes me as a believer how expletive deleted up we are in our minds. There were and are good reasons to maintain the separation of church and state but we just take the money and run.
I live in Oklahoma and this is the first I’m hearing of this, so Thank you. Also, might want to correct that Drummond is no longer running. He was defeated by Mazzei in the runoff in August. Thanks again for the update!
My granddaughter was an OU cheerleader. ;)
𝑂𝑘𝑙𝑎ℎ𝑜𝑚𝑎 𝑊𝑒𝑠𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑛 𝐷𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑟𝑖𝑐𝑡 𝐽𝑢𝑑𝑔𝑒 𝐷𝑎𝑣𝑖𝑑 𝐿. 𝑅𝑢𝑠𝑠𝑒𝑙𝑙 (𝐴 𝑅𝑒𝑎𝑔𝑎𝑛 𝑎𝑝𝑝𝑜𝑖𝑛𝑡𝑒𝑒) 𝑟𝑢𝑙𝑒𝑑 𝑙𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝑙𝑎𝑠𝑡 𝑤𝑒𝑒𝑘 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑡𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝑣𝑖𝑜𝑙𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐹𝑖𝑟𝑠𝑡 𝐴𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑑𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑤ℎ𝑒𝑛 𝑖𝑡 𝑑𝑒𝑛𝑖𝑒𝑑 𝑎𝑝𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑣𝑎𝑙 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐽𝑒𝑤𝑖𝑠ℎ 𝑐ℎ𝑎𝑟𝑡𝑒𝑟 𝑠𝑐ℎ𝑜𝑜𝑙 𝑑𝑢𝑒 𝑡𝑜 𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑔𝑖𝑜𝑛.
Of course, upholding the Establishment Clause is a perceived violation of the Free Exercise Clause. They are so desperate to have the Establishment Clause stripped down to the point that Congress is only prohibited from declaring one individual sect of conservative Protestant Christianity to be the official Church of the United States. I am only slightly surprised that it's a Reagan appointee and not one Mango Mussolini installed.
I think Judge Russell mistook the "Free Exercise" clause for FREE MONEY for religious schools. Someone needs to tell him, that's not how this works.
𝐼𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑠𝑡𝑎𝑛𝑑𝑠, 𝑖𝑡’𝑠 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑔𝑜𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡𝑜 𝑒𝑛𝑑 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑎 𝑠𝑖𝑛𝑔𝑙𝑒 𝐽𝑒𝑤𝑖𝑠ℎ 𝑠𝑐ℎ𝑜𝑜𝑙 𝑖𝑛 𝑂𝑘𝑙𝑎ℎ𝑜𝑚𝑎.
The Christian Nazionalists goal is to force ALL public schools to be religious indoctrination machines. They only want students learning what they want, regardless of the facts.
How many times have I said it? What part of: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." doesn't Judge Russell get? That means no Christian schools, no Islamic schools, and NO JEWISH SCHOOLS may be funded with public monies. Yet somehow he figures that the state is discriminating against Jewish charter schools because Oklahoma has "charter schools of disparate philosophical or educational persuasions," which supposedly opens the door to religious charter schools.
Ummm ... flawed reasoning, anyone?
They like the Free Exercise Clause and hate the Establishment Clause.
Flawed and manipulative. As a person of Jewish heritage I find it abhorrent that this appears to be another flawed Orwellian strategy.
They used the Jewish charter school to try and deflect from their desire to establish a Christian theocracy. "Judeo-Christian" has become a buzzword to them as shorthand for "see, we're not 𝗿𝗲𝗮𝗹𝗹𝘆 Nazis".
Just wait until a Muslim religious school obtains tax payer funds. That eventuality will put an end to this effort.
I wonder. Maybe Christians will be ok with Muslims getting some public money as long as Christians get a bigger cut.
I'd be dubious. Right-wing Christians, by and large, are pretty intolerant of Islam. Indeed, they're not much for any other religion other than their own specific branch of Christianity.
No, no, no. Just wait until the Satanic Temple gets involved. Then the effort will REALLY cease.
It's already happened via state school voucher and scholarship programs (see the Hifz Academy and Bayaan Academy, both in Tampa, FL. Combined, they've pulled in $18 million dollars over 10 years)
𝑂𝑘𝑙𝑎ℎ𝑜𝑚𝑎 𝑊𝑒𝑠𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑛 𝐷𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑟𝑖𝑐𝑡 𝐽𝑢𝑑𝑔𝑒 𝐷𝑎𝑣𝑖𝑑 𝐿. 𝑅𝑢𝑠𝑠𝑒𝑙𝑙 (𝐴 𝑅𝑒𝑎𝑔𝑎𝑛 𝑎𝑝𝑝𝑜𝑖𝑛𝑡𝑒𝑒) 𝑟𝑢𝑙𝑒𝑑 𝑙𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝑙𝑎𝑠𝑡 𝑤𝑒𝑒𝑘 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑡𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝑣𝑖𝑜𝑙𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐹𝑖𝑟𝑠𝑡 𝐴𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑑𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑤ℎ𝑒𝑛 𝑖𝑡 𝑑𝑒𝑛𝑖𝑒𝑑 𝑎𝑝𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑣𝑎𝑙 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑂𝑘𝑙𝑎ℎ𝑜𝑚𝑎’𝑠 𝐴𝑡𝑡𝑜𝑟𝑛𝑒𝑦 𝐺𝑒𝑛𝑒𝑟𝑎𝑙 𝐺𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑛𝑒𝑟 𝐷𝑟𝑢𝑚𝑚𝑜𝑛𝑑 (𝑤ℎ𝑜’𝑠 𝑐𝑢𝑟𝑟𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑙𝑦 𝑟𝑢𝑛𝑛𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑔𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑛𝑜𝑟) 𝑠𝑢𝑒𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑖𝑡, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑡𝑎𝑡𝑒’𝑠 ℎ𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑒𝑠𝑡 𝑐𝑜𝑢𝑟𝑡 𝑠𝑡𝑜𝑝𝑝𝑒𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑚.
A Republican in Oklahoma who remembered what the Establishment Clause means. It's either impressive or the guy is an antisemite.
Forget about the religion side of this for a second. Any organization that does not participate in funding schools should not participate in getting funding for schools.
Tax the churches!
Organized religion, all across the board, is desperate to get government to backstop their religion because they know full-well they're losing the long game. I'm cautiously hopeful forcing religion into the public schools isn't going to have the outcome they're hoping for. Kids simply have access to a lot of information, and there's a good chance they're going to resent having religion forced on them.
The Law of Unintend Consequences.
Jews already have Jewish Day School, Yeshiva, Hebrew School (Religious/Sunday School), Cheder and Mesivta. God in Heaven, isn't that more than enough? Do they really need to put their hands on taxpayer dollars?
The state of Oklahoma is also funding the school's football team. After all, you know why Jews like to play football?
They like to get the quarterback.
Bi-dum-DUM.
Jesus Christ, it shouldn't be this complex: my money should not go to support any religion unless I willingly consent to give it to them personally. Public schools should not be indoctrinating children with a specific religious viewpoint. What happened to "parent's rights for religious instruction"?
Why can’t AIPAC pay for that school? They seem to have plenty of money for other illustrious causes.
Thanks for the article. I thought that this was done already in the OC area. But after a closer look, not to this extent. Just use of a Christian based educational material.
Obvious violation of the First Amendment's Freedom of Religion clause!
I’m going to run this idea up the flag pole and see who salutes.
What would happen if we formed our own charter schools and forced the state to subsidize them?
I’m talking about progressive schools which teach REAL science (and not creationist psychobabble); philosophy; ethics; critical thinking; REAL history (and not sanitized, “white” US history) including the history of labor movements, women’s history, LGBT history, and the history of people of color in this country; which required students to learn two foreign languages fluently; proficiency on a musical instrument or in art; theater; and essential life skills, such as cooking, maintaining a house, personal finance, sex education (including frank discussions of sex, contraception, abortion, homo-, bi- and transsexuality).
I think it’s time we started using red states’ tactics right back on them — and making them pay for the privilege of us using their tactics right back on them.
WCNs will be thrilled at the possibility to getting money from the state to indoctrinate their kids. It just amazes me as a believer how expletive deleted up we are in our minds. There were and are good reasons to maintain the separation of church and state but we just take the money and run.
Idiocracy 3: The Nation of Trump.