Omniscient, omnipotent God needs a state law to sell his products to children in classrooms in ruby red Arkansas! What a weak, pathetic deity to worship. Oh well, don't let that pesky detail ruin the narrative. The Jesus delusion is alive, well and living in Little Rock, AR.
Forced marriages of child brides to middle-aged men is what they should be worried about. Evangelicals want to institute the very thing for which they excoriate the FDLS.
Bienvenue en France. Despite the law forbidding marriage before 18, some 🤬 slipped a loophole. Luckily, unlike in the US, child brides are automatically emancipated before the ink is dry.
This is the religious right attempting to mark their territory in the public schools, paid for with everyone's tax dollars. There isn't a shred of evidence that posting the Ten Commandments in public buildings ever led to better people. The notion this country was somehow based on these ancient rules is rendered absurd by the fact eight of the Commandments would be unconstitutional if anyone tried writing them into law. At the end of the day, it's a win-win for the religious right. They either get to force their way into the public schools, or they get to play the poor, persecuted victims of the godless left. It's that second outcome that brings in the most money.
They view the public schools as a 'mission field'. They would go out of their tiny little minds at the mere thought of someone trying to force another religion on their children, but it's okay if they do it. They're right and everyone else is wrong. It's a measure of what can be justified in the name of faith.
That is true, oraxx. Those Xtians would disembowel anyone trying to convert a Catholic to Episcopalian, or Protestant, or Baptist. If the Xtians shoe was on the other foot, their vacuumous heads would explode.
I have maintained for a long time that the staggering number of Christian tribes should be a bigger problem for believers than it is. It speaks to a divine being who could will the universe into existence, but when it came to the most important message imaginable, . . . couldn't make himself understood.
Why would the Creator make a big splash like sending his son to die for everyone’s sins and then disappear from existence, except in the minds of those that attend uncontrollable, illogical and untaxed churches?
Just one miracle, Jeebus! Maybe an appearance? It could even be in a fountain in Vegas. Your world is crumbling, millions upon millions of animals are going through an extinction event and all you xtians can say is, “free will?”
The only way this all knowing divine being could rectify the mistake he had to know he was making when he made it, was to conduct a blood sacrifice of himself to himself? I stopped buying that story when I was a teenager.
The list of Shitler’s crimes against humanity is long and strong, Chris. Without any respectable reporting being done by the oligarch owned media, it is hard to assess the total damage.
Of course there are. That is exactly why they are constitutional. But neither being constitutional or written down in stone stops them from happening. And often legally. You can argue that Trump inaction directly leads to killings in Gaza, but he is not breaking any laws in this case by doing nothing. And judges ruling that public money can be used for religious purposes makes stealing legal, at least until the decision is overturned.
Being in the constitution reduces stealing and murder. I am sure that can be proved. Them being on a list of Biblical commandments makes no difference at all. In fact it could make them worse, if all you have to to do is say sorry and be forgiven.
Except for centuries it didn't work like this. Sure, you could confess, repent and still be delivered with a giant bow to secular authorities to be executed.
Your only legal option would be to drop the whole thing and issue an official opinion that the law is indeed unconstitutional and your office will never try to defend it in court again. Grow a spine. Show the world that Arkansas, religious and conservative as it is, refuses to leave thr United States to become part of the Republic of Gilead.
Here we go again with the "historical" context of the 10Cs. The only reason why the 10Cs have ANY historical relevance is because religious power-seekers wanted to insert them into our secular government, whether they were desired or not ... and no, WE sure didn't want 'em there! Those who cite such "history" are pretty ignorant of the fact that the US government was designed to be INDEPENDENT of ALL RELIGIONS, theirs included, with the goal of treating ALL belief systems, as well as those who hold to no religion or god, EQUALLY.
Fact is, the push to incorporate the 10Cs amounts to territory-marking, with the ultimate goal of preferential treatment for ONE religion, as well as the effective negation of the secular structure which was the intent of the founders.
Instead of fighting this illegal foray into Christian Nationalism, the weak assed elected officials of yesteryear kept throwing the Xtians a bone to shut them up. How’d that work out for us?
For the richest country in the world to have such poor and absent leadership throughout its’ history is an indelible blot on the legacy of this country. It has helped lead us into an unenviable future.
I thought the historical context of the Ten Commandments in government was a marketing campaign for a movie. Huh, I guess Hollywood has more influence than even they complain about.
I'd also like to point out that in the late 1700s the Founders were well aware of the effect of a State-sanctioned Religion on the practices of minority religions. The Quakers and Puritans fled England because of mistreatment at the hands of the Church of England. I think it would come to full-blown religious war here.
It fascinates me that the Quakers were radical. My experience of them is that they are a middle class church in England. They sit in silence for an hour and nothing ever happens except a few people speak for a few seconds.
The most interesting thing was to watch the bloody clock.
My gran was a Quaker and my Aunt and her husband are Quakers/Buddhists. I used to go to the meeting house in Sudbury, Suffolk. I met the Prime Minister there. Well not the real one, I mean Paul Eddington of Yes Prime Minister fame.
What they cared about was social justice and the environment. Which I guess makes you a raging radical in the USA and UK these days.
I'm also curious about what specifically drove them out.
I suspect - with zero historical knowledge to back it up - that religious persecution at the time was not related to what we'd call 'antisocial' acts. It was based at least in part on doctrinal differences (as well as behavioral differences). Meaning that the quakers could sit quietly in church on Sundays, sure, but if the CoE got wind of them not recognizing the trinity or whatever it was that was different about them, their communities would still come under social pressure, legal pressure, or violence to change.
I think it is down to what I was talking about yesterday. George Fox was accused of blasphemy probably mostly because he didn't think man needed a go between, or priest, to speak to God. He also questioned Baptism and Communion. Possibly the Trinity too.
The judge in the case actually coined the word Quaker to describe them. A bit like Fred Hoyle coining the 'Big Bang'. Both were meant to be somewhat insulting but they then stuck.
Another example is neo-conservative. That was coined by liberals to describe their not quite as liberal fellows. And the neo-cons proudly adopted the term.
I reckon it happens all the time. It started when the Palaeolithic people were fed up with the young folk and their new fangled stone tools. They called them Neolithic, a huge insult in 10,000 BC.
Of course none of this was documented, so I could be making it up.
The Quakers were hot on social justice. Think of some of the major families: Rowntree, Fry, Cadbury and Fox. All names that are synonymous with social reform and, perhaps more importantly, chocolate. Fox even united the two major food groups of chocolate and biscuit.
This is not facetious; Quakers are TT, so wanted a non-alcoholic drink that could be a treat to replace beer for their employees.
Indeed. Why else would Jefferson write that famous letter to the Danbury Baptist than to reassure them of the "wall of separation between Church and State?"
In the Trumpy regime, I expect Adams' character will either undergo massive re-write and overhaul, or he will be erased from history, and documents like the Treaty of Tripoli will be either explained away or memory-holed.
If that happens, I don't think anywhere would be safe. Even where I live in Minnesota, I've noticed a marked increase in public displays (billboards and homemade come-to-jesus/endtimes signs popping up in odd corners or beside highways, etc) of religiosity in the five years I have been here. Still quite a far cry from the religion-saturated Deep South, but in an area where these used to be almost non-existent, they get noticed. Especially since the area where I live is predominantly Catholic.
I’m not surprised, my mother’s co-worker had a cross burned on her lawn when we lived in Minnesota back in the 80s. There’s still racism in the nice states. Edit, whoa her coworker didn’t have a cross burned on her. Oops
Which continued in the colonies. Massachusetts banned Quakers upon pain of death and did in fact execute a few. Various denominations fought to be the official religion of their colony and get a share of the public coffers.
Christians using a Greek ichthys (another pagan symbol stolen) to recognize each other during a time when they were allegedly being "persecuted" always struck me as being a bit cowardly on ther parts.
So proud of being Jesus' followers yet so afraid to show it. Kinda like Peter...the rock of the Christian faith...denying even knowing Jesus 3 times. What would Jesus had thought of them? "I was tortured and crucified for THESE fair weather friends?"
Exactly! Those other religions should have know that the not yet existing Christianity is the One True Religion. All they had to do was look at creation. That’s proof of Jesus.
7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
Geographic anomaly. Still plenty of them and if not a fish, a cross and a message about how humble the driver is and how they vote "with God" or are proud to a Christian/Catholic or maybe just how us "godless sinners" will get ours someday.
Every time one of these stories comes out, I marvel at how the religious landscape has seemed to change since I was a kid. Most Christians I knew in the 1970s were strongly in support of church-state separation. They did not want the government to tell them how to believe or what to believe. Today, it's become more clear that religion is being used to attack people who are 'othered' by those in power. In other words, this is not about pushing religion; it's about control. If the religious zealots were serious about ripping down the walls of separation, then they would start by paying taxes.
In the 1970s there may have been a strong 𝗿𝗲𝘀𝗶𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗻𝗰𝗲 by religious zealots against attemps of breaching the wall between church and state, but now they have replaced it with a 𝗱𝗶𝗼𝗱𝗲, it still blocks all state attempts to meddle with religion while it gives religion full control over the state.
Well pushing religion is part of it, but I'm guessing the AR [edited] GOP would be perfectly happy to push something else instead if it got them as many votes as religious grievance does.
A little know fact, "Disingenuous" was Chief Justice Robert's nickname growing up. There is a cute story behind it. Apparently it was giving to him on his 57th birthday by complete strangers who read his legal opinions. He was such a little rapscallion then.
I could almost see the purpose of the law if it were the beatitudessthat were being posted, and not 10 Commandments. Almost.
But it’s not.
But the 10 Commandments are also not even foundational to Christianity. Conservative Christians are yanking them out of the old testament. Out of their other face, they will tell you that the New Testament supersedes the old testament in every way. And of course, these dates also ignore the ways in which they ignore the Old Testament. Remember the Sabbath day keep it holy? Nope. I once had a Christian explained to me that the death penalty was perfectly fine, because the real translation of “thou shall not kill” was “thou shall not murder.” And the state killing people was simply the state killing people, and not murder at all. No graven images? They don’t mean that one either. They certainly not telling the Catholics about it.
Meh. I'm not poor in spirit - that doesn't exist. And for #3 I'd rather bless people who own their life rather than blessing the doormats. I mean, sure wallflower is infinitely better than aggressive a$$hole, but some attitude in between is where people should really strive to be.
Miss overpriced lectern must be so sad. What's for lunch ? I had a cereal patty, sauteed mushrooms and a fruit yoghurt.
"Or in a French classroom, photographs of the Eiffel Tower and French greetings would be mitigating?"
Or a poster of the first article of our Constitution. The one mentioning freedom of religion and separation between church and state (not everywhere due to real historical circumstances).
Another example of religious persecution by a judge who doesn't understand that blocking this attempt by lawmakers to proselitize in public schools is infringing on the lawmakers' first amendment rights to exercize their religion. /s
The first amendment is wrong. They need to take the no religious test out. Then change religion to white fundamentalist evangelical right wing 'Christianity'.
Then the minority of the country can rule the roost for the next 1,000 years. As it should be. The rest of us will not have to put the heating on again, ever.
I'll take it as a good sign that the AG's response was lukewarm rather than being a full-throated 'we will fight on the beaches..." kowtowing to the fundie right. Hopefully AR's conservative legislators will be satisfied with the reelection campaign benefit they got from passing it, and the AR government will leave it at that.
[Edited 3h later to fix the state abbreviation. Thanks for the feedback everyone]
I have occasionally wondered if, when the 2 letter abbreviations were first assigned, there were hissy fits over the letters. Or did everyone just skip being outraged over a triviality.
I don’t mind cold weather too much after being resided on the frigid shores of Lake Eerie. Canada becomes more attractive daily. I’ve also read that Portugal has a lot to offer expats.
Canada could let it be known that it would only contemplate being part of the USA if the ten provinces and three territories became separate states. Would the present US government really want thirteen extra, left-leaning, sets of politicians? The Republicans might never form another government.
I reckon Alaskans are too chilled out to worry about being AK and not AL.
But those Connecticut folk are probably raging about being CT and not CO. Especially as they became a State of the Union 88 years before Colorado.
All UK railways stations have 3 letter codes. But everybody forgets the Great Railway War of 1906, obviously fought over this issue. Mainly because it never happened.
A poster of 10C's teaches US history about as well as that French class picture of the Eiffel tower teaches engineering.
If they want to 𝑡𝑒𝑎𝑐ℎ how the founders developed our legal basis, then do that in a unit.
But they don't actually want to teach that. Heck they might even oppose it for the same reason they might oppose 𝑡𝑒𝑎𝑐ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔 the origin of the motto. Because superficiality is their friend while depth of understanding is their enemy.
Those fuckers that allowed “In Gawd We Trust” to be printed on money and other besmirched items are to blame. Everyone knows if you give these god damn evangelicals an inch they take a fucking mile. Quickly becoming my least favorite part of the cult.
Mark my words: adultery will now run rampant among 10 year olds in Arkansas.
Human sacrifices, dogs and cats, living together, MASS HYSTERIA!!!
All in the basement of Arkansas’ finest pizza restaurant.
The one without a basement.
Well, yeah! We can’t get lost in those nagging details.
C'est demandé si gentiment.
Gods' Hell, it's about religious fanatism.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jsJVmiqf8VA&pp=0gcJCfwAo7VqN5tD
I had to watch 2 commercials to get to that hot vid.
I won't pretend I understand enough French to comprehend the lyrics, but man, those images are something else.
Well, it is a matter of time before they allow ten-year-olds to get married and get a job in Arkansas so it does follow that adultery will be a thing.
Tennessee is also making a valiant effort to turn itself into a third world country.
Omniscient, omnipotent God needs a state law to sell his products to children in classrooms in ruby red Arkansas! What a weak, pathetic deity to worship. Oh well, don't let that pesky detail ruin the narrative. The Jesus delusion is alive, well and living in Little Rock, AR.
Isn’t it just? With the sparkling leadership of the first “Lying Queen,” Sarah Huckleberry, Arkansas will quickly sink to the top of MAGATLAND.
Where the worship of God is second only to the worship of Donald J. Trump.
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Well….Arkansas…. Um, I wouldn’t say adultery amongst 10 year olds in Arkansas is beyond the pale.
Forced marriages of child brides to middle-aged men is what they should be worried about. Evangelicals want to institute the very thing for which they excoriate the FDLS.
Hypocrisy, anyone?
If it wasn't for hypocrisy, they'd have no principles at all.
Pedophilia on steroids .
That’s what these red states need, LESS REGULATIONS!
It is Arkansas. They should be married by ten, with two kids.
You mean, “more rampant,” don’t you, Boreal?
Yes, but don’t say gay in front of a child bride.
If you're old enough to marry, you should be old enough to drive and vote and drink and rent a car.
Bienvenue en France. Despite the law forbidding marriage before 18, some 🤬 slipped a loophole. Luckily, unlike in the US, child brides are automatically emancipated before the ink is dry.
𝑀𝑜𝑠𝑡 𝑙𝑖𝑘𝑒𝑙𝑦 𝑏𝑒𝑐𝑎𝑢𝑠𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑆𝑡𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝑖𝑠 𝑝𝑎𝑟𝑡 𝑜𝑓 𝑎 𝑐𝑜𝑜𝑟𝑑𝑖𝑛𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑠𝑡𝑟𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑔𝑦 𝑎𝑚𝑜𝑛𝑔 𝑠𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑎𝑙 𝑠𝑡𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑖𝑛𝑗𝑒𝑐𝑡 𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑎𝑛 𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑔𝑖𝑜𝑢𝑠 𝑑𝑜𝑐𝑡𝑟𝑖𝑛𝑒 𝑖𝑛𝑡𝑜 𝑝𝑢𝑏𝑙𝑖𝑐-𝑠𝑐ℎ𝑜𝑜𝑙 𝑐𝑙𝑎𝑠𝑠𝑟𝑜𝑜𝑚𝑠.
No shit, Sherlock. Thank you, Judge Brooks, for applying a pressure washer. Our mops needed the rest.
This is the religious right attempting to mark their territory in the public schools, paid for with everyone's tax dollars. There isn't a shred of evidence that posting the Ten Commandments in public buildings ever led to better people. The notion this country was somehow based on these ancient rules is rendered absurd by the fact eight of the Commandments would be unconstitutional if anyone tried writing them into law. At the end of the day, it's a win-win for the religious right. They either get to force their way into the public schools, or they get to play the poor, persecuted victims of the godless left. It's that second outcome that brings in the most money.
It hasn't worked in their Churches or schools - why would it work in Public Schools?
They view the public schools as a 'mission field'. They would go out of their tiny little minds at the mere thought of someone trying to force another religion on their children, but it's okay if they do it. They're right and everyone else is wrong. It's a measure of what can be justified in the name of faith.
That is true, oraxx. Those Xtians would disembowel anyone trying to convert a Catholic to Episcopalian, or Protestant, or Baptist. If the Xtians shoe was on the other foot, their vacuumous heads would explode.
Clean up on Pew 37!
I have maintained for a long time that the staggering number of Christian tribes should be a bigger problem for believers than it is. It speaks to a divine being who could will the universe into existence, but when it came to the most important message imaginable, . . . couldn't make himself understood.
Why would the Creator make a big splash like sending his son to die for everyone’s sins and then disappear from existence, except in the minds of those that attend uncontrollable, illogical and untaxed churches?
Just one miracle, Jeebus! Maybe an appearance? It could even be in a fountain in Vegas. Your world is crumbling, millions upon millions of animals are going through an extinction event and all you xtians can say is, “free will?”
The only way this all knowing divine being could rectify the mistake he had to know he was making when he made it, was to conduct a blood sacrifice of himself to himself? I stopped buying that story when I was a teenager.
And the two that are constitutional are still happening every day. In fact using public money for religious icons is breaking one of them already.
And the inaction of the President is leading to people being killed in Gaza every day. Not to mention cutting back Medicare.
The list of Shitler’s crimes against humanity is long and strong, Chris. Without any respectable reporting being done by the oligarch owned media, it is hard to assess the total damage.
Oh yeah. Gaza is just one of a list longer then Epstein's.
There are perfectly good secular justifications for outlawing murder and robbbery.
Of course there are. That is exactly why they are constitutional. But neither being constitutional or written down in stone stops them from happening. And often legally. You can argue that Trump inaction directly leads to killings in Gaza, but he is not breaking any laws in this case by doing nothing. And judges ruling that public money can be used for religious purposes makes stealing legal, at least until the decision is overturned.
Being in the constitution reduces stealing and murder. I am sure that can be proved. Them being on a list of Biblical commandments makes no difference at all. In fact it could make them worse, if all you have to to do is say sorry and be forgiven.
Except for centuries it didn't work like this. Sure, you could confess, repent and still be delivered with a giant bow to secular authorities to be executed.
Watch “The Last Kingdom,” (one of my all time favorites) for some fine examples of xtianity that has run amok. You can thank me later.
Done. Vikings and Vikings : Valhalla too.
That depends on how much money you had.
C'est pas faux.
Sigh. I hope I don't get seriously ill anytime in the near future. I will be SOL.
𝐴𝑟𝑘𝑎𝑛𝑠𝑎𝑠 𝐴𝑡𝑡𝑜𝑟𝑛𝑒𝑦 𝐺𝑒𝑛𝑒𝑟𝑎𝑙 𝑇𝑖𝑚 𝐺𝑟𝑖𝑓𝑓𝑖𝑛’𝑠 𝑜𝑓𝑓𝑖𝑐𝑒 𝑠ℎ𝑎𝑟𝑒𝑑 𝑎 𝑠𝑡𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑀𝑜𝑛𝑑𝑎𝑦 𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑛𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑎𝑓𝑡𝑒𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑟𝑢𝑙𝑖𝑛𝑔.
“𝐼 𝑎𝑚 𝑟𝑒𝑣𝑖𝑒𝑤𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑐𝑜𝑢𝑟𝑡’𝑠 𝑜𝑟𝑑𝑒𝑟 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑎𝑠𝑠𝑒𝑠𝑠𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑜𝑢𝑟 𝑙𝑒𝑔𝑎𝑙 𝑜𝑝𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛𝑠,” 𝐺𝑟𝑖𝑓𝑓𝑖𝑛 𝑠𝑎𝑖𝑑.
Mr Griffin:
Your only legal option would be to drop the whole thing and issue an official opinion that the law is indeed unconstitutional and your office will never try to defend it in court again. Grow a spine. Show the world that Arkansas, religious and conservative as it is, refuses to leave thr United States to become part of the Republic of Gilead.
Arkansas, Joe? The same state ruled by Sarah Huckleberry-Sandpants…Queen of Arkansas fashion? In a leadership role? Shirley, you jest!
I'm not saying he will DO the right thing, I'm just telling him what it is. Since he so obviously failed Constitution 101 in law school.
Gotta admit I stopped reading after, “Arkansas Attorney General.” Nothing good can come after that.
Here we go again with the "historical" context of the 10Cs. The only reason why the 10Cs have ANY historical relevance is because religious power-seekers wanted to insert them into our secular government, whether they were desired or not ... and no, WE sure didn't want 'em there! Those who cite such "history" are pretty ignorant of the fact that the US government was designed to be INDEPENDENT of ALL RELIGIONS, theirs included, with the goal of treating ALL belief systems, as well as those who hold to no religion or god, EQUALLY.
Fact is, the push to incorporate the 10Cs amounts to territory-marking, with the ultimate goal of preferential treatment for ONE religion, as well as the effective negation of the secular structure which was the intent of the founders.
And the 10Cs, plain and simple, DO NOT BELONG.
Instead of fighting this illegal foray into Christian Nationalism, the weak assed elected officials of yesteryear kept throwing the Xtians a bone to shut them up. How’d that work out for us?
For the richest country in the world to have such poor and absent leadership throughout its’ history is an indelible blot on the legacy of this country. It has helped lead us into an unenviable future.
No shit. Why do you suppose I'm a member of the Freedom From Religion Foundation, American Atheists, and the ACLU? 😁
I thought the historical context of the Ten Commandments in government was a marketing campaign for a movie. Huh, I guess Hollywood has more influence than even they complain about.
I'd also like to point out that in the late 1700s the Founders were well aware of the effect of a State-sanctioned Religion on the practices of minority religions. The Quakers and Puritans fled England because of mistreatment at the hands of the Church of England. I think it would come to full-blown religious war here.
It fascinates me that the Quakers were radical. My experience of them is that they are a middle class church in England. They sit in silence for an hour and nothing ever happens except a few people speak for a few seconds.
The most interesting thing was to watch the bloody clock.
My gran was a Quaker and my Aunt and her husband are Quakers/Buddhists. I used to go to the meeting house in Sudbury, Suffolk. I met the Prime Minister there. Well not the real one, I mean Paul Eddington of Yes Prime Minister fame.
What they cared about was social justice and the environment. Which I guess makes you a raging radical in the USA and UK these days.
I'm also curious about what specifically drove them out.
I suspect - with zero historical knowledge to back it up - that religious persecution at the time was not related to what we'd call 'antisocial' acts. It was based at least in part on doctrinal differences (as well as behavioral differences). Meaning that the quakers could sit quietly in church on Sundays, sure, but if the CoE got wind of them not recognizing the trinity or whatever it was that was different about them, their communities would still come under social pressure, legal pressure, or violence to change.
I think it is down to what I was talking about yesterday. George Fox was accused of blasphemy probably mostly because he didn't think man needed a go between, or priest, to speak to God. He also questioned Baptism and Communion. Possibly the Trinity too.
The judge in the case actually coined the word Quaker to describe them. A bit like Fred Hoyle coining the 'Big Bang'. Both were meant to be somewhat insulting but they then stuck.
Another example is neo-conservative. That was coined by liberals to describe their not quite as liberal fellows. And the neo-cons proudly adopted the term.
I reckon it happens all the time. It started when the Palaeolithic people were fed up with the young folk and their new fangled stone tools. They called them Neolithic, a huge insult in 10,000 BC.
Of course none of this was documented, so I could be making it up.
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Quaker/Buddhists? Interesting combination.
I asked my dad. He says my aunt is a Quaker and her husband is the Buddhist. But there is definitely a lot of overlap there.
Just want to say I love Yes Prime Minister!
And yes, caring about not setting the planet on fire is considered downright Anti-American these days. Drill, baby, drill!
The Quakers were hot on social justice. Think of some of the major families: Rowntree, Fry, Cadbury and Fox. All names that are synonymous with social reform and, perhaps more importantly, chocolate. Fox even united the two major food groups of chocolate and biscuit.
This is not facetious; Quakers are TT, so wanted a non-alcoholic drink that could be a treat to replace beer for their employees.
Does "TT" = Tea Totalers?
The 7 key founders also saw the religious wars in Europe and the devastating effects they had.
Lots of Deists there.
5 out of 7.
Indeed. Why else would Jefferson write that famous letter to the Danbury Baptist than to reassure them of the "wall of separation between Church and State?"
The Treaty of Tripoli went out of its way to specifically state that our government is NOT based on the Christian religion.
That treaty was ratified unanimously without dissent and signed into law by John Adams. A Deist.
Treaty of Tripoli? I need to research that, for I am not knowing.
When you find it, look speciifically at Article XI.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli#Article_11
I guess Adams must have been one of those Muslim sympathisers then. Like all the LGBTQ+ people and their connections to Hamas.
In the Trumpy regime, I expect Adams' character will either undergo massive re-write and overhaul, or he will be erased from history, and documents like the Treaty of Tripoli will be either explained away or memory-holed.
If that happens, I don't think anywhere would be safe. Even where I live in Minnesota, I've noticed a marked increase in public displays (billboards and homemade come-to-jesus/endtimes signs popping up in odd corners or beside highways, etc) of religiosity in the five years I have been here. Still quite a far cry from the religion-saturated Deep South, but in an area where these used to be almost non-existent, they get noticed. Especially since the area where I live is predominantly Catholic.
I’m not surprised, my mother’s co-worker had a cross burned on her lawn when we lived in Minnesota back in the 80s. There’s still racism in the nice states. Edit, whoa her coworker didn’t have a cross burned on her. Oops
Which continued in the colonies. Massachusetts banned Quakers upon pain of death and did in fact execute a few. Various denominations fought to be the official religion of their colony and get a share of the public coffers.
What they fled, they brought with them it seems. Behavior doesn't change with geography.
*Not the "right" commandments.
*Never called the Ten Commandments in the bible.
*Not written in Aramaic,
*Not read right to left.
*Not applicable to Christians.
Technically speaking, this poster is an image of the 10 C. That makes it graven, a clear violation of the "Ten Commandents."
Violating this commandment is a christian tradition since the first time a fish was graven/drawn on a wall.
Yep. They lie in order to get "thou shalt not lie" posted. Without any sense of irony.
Christians using a Greek ichthys (another pagan symbol stolen) to recognize each other during a time when they were allegedly being "persecuted" always struck me as being a bit cowardly on ther parts.
So proud of being Jesus' followers yet so afraid to show it. Kinda like Peter...the rock of the Christian faith...denying even knowing Jesus 3 times. What would Jesus had thought of them? "I was tortured and crucified for THESE fair weather friends?"
It isn’t a fish, it’s a vagina and they’re doing it all wrong.
christains didn't steal anything, it's the other religions who dared to use religious symbols before them.
Exactly! Those other religions should have know that the not yet existing Christianity is the One True Religion. All they had to do was look at creation. That’s proof of Jesus.
I heard something like that when I was a kid in an IFB church. (Not NIFB, the humanity hadn't completely been distilled out of them)
Why, His Majesty is Written in the Stars!* How could they have missed it? Oh right, they allowed themselves to be blinded by Satan.
* Could swear that was a Christian song I heard at one point in my long-ago youth, but I haven't been able to find it.
But as a Christian and a man, he gets to be forgiven, rehabbed, and resurrected as a saint. See, his failing was all a part of God's Divine Plan.
KKKristers, this sniveling coward along with that raging misogynist and homophobic hermit Paul are the linchpins of your faith. You must be so proud.
Misanthropic, unempathetic and possibly asexual.
And yet in 1 Corinthians 13 we have a wonderful description of love. None of which applies to Yahweh.
If indeed Paul wrote it.
Verses 7 and 8 are not so wonderful:
7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
Love be a doormat. Ignorance is bliss.
I've glad those stupid fish symbols on cars in the 90's seems to have faded. Really irked me when one of those assholes would cut me off in traffic.
What did you expect ? They warned you that fish tailing was part of their credo.
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Geographic anomaly. Still plenty of them and if not a fish, a cross and a message about how humble the driver is and how they vote "with God" or are proud to a Christian/Catholic or maybe just how us "godless sinners" will get ours someday.
Every time one of these stories comes out, I marvel at how the religious landscape has seemed to change since I was a kid. Most Christians I knew in the 1970s were strongly in support of church-state separation. They did not want the government to tell them how to believe or what to believe. Today, it's become more clear that religion is being used to attack people who are 'othered' by those in power. In other words, this is not about pushing religion; it's about control. If the religious zealots were serious about ripping down the walls of separation, then they would start by paying taxes.
In the 1970s there may have been a strong 𝗿𝗲𝘀𝗶𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗻𝗰𝗲 by religious zealots against attemps of breaching the wall between church and state, but now they have replaced it with a 𝗱𝗶𝗼𝗱𝗲, it still blocks all state attempts to meddle with religion while it gives religion full control over the state.
So these should be going to circuit courts?
Ones that make quick decisions and are run by dwarves. Short circuit courts.
Or Mother boards, at the very least.
Should I build the wall?
Mother, did it need to be so high?
They discovered that they can try and have all the pros and none of the cons.
A bit like the fact that they think that if everyone has guns there will be a lot less mass shootings.
Once they linked up with the fascists of the Republicon Party, they got POWER…and ooo, it felt SO GOOD.
Well pushing religion is part of it, but I'm guessing the AR [edited] GOP would be perfectly happy to push something else instead if it got them as many votes as religious grievance does.
A little know fact, "Disingenuous" was Chief Justice Robert's nickname growing up. There is a cute story behind it. Apparently it was giving to him on his 57th birthday by complete strangers who read his legal opinions. He was such a little rapscallion then.
https://ibb.co/q38zYyty
Beats the snot out of the ones in that stupid holey book. 😝
This should be put in a prominent place in every politician's office.
YES!!!! 👏👏👏
I'll give it a 9 out of 10. #5 assumes a god.
Pinaillage 😋
I'm a stickler.
Marrant, j't'aurais pas cru du genre collant.
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Now there is a list I can get behind.
I with you on that. This is a list that be posted in libraries and other places!
I could almost see the purpose of the law if it were the beatitudessthat were being posted, and not 10 Commandments. Almost.
But it’s not.
But the 10 Commandments are also not even foundational to Christianity. Conservative Christians are yanking them out of the old testament. Out of their other face, they will tell you that the New Testament supersedes the old testament in every way. And of course, these dates also ignore the ways in which they ignore the Old Testament. Remember the Sabbath day keep it holy? Nope. I once had a Christian explained to me that the death penalty was perfectly fine, because the real translation of “thou shall not kill” was “thou shall not murder.” And the state killing people was simply the state killing people, and not murder at all. No graven images? They don’t mean that one either. They certainly not telling the Catholics about it.
The purpose is transparent.
Meh. I'm not poor in spirit - that doesn't exist. And for #3 I'd rather bless people who own their life rather than blessing the doormats. I mean, sure wallflower is infinitely better than aggressive a$$hole, but some attitude in between is where people should really strive to be.
Miss overpriced lectern must be so sad. What's for lunch ? I had a cereal patty, sauteed mushrooms and a fruit yoghurt.
"Or in a French classroom, photographs of the Eiffel Tower and French greetings would be mitigating?"
Or a poster of the first article of our Constitution. The one mentioning freedom of religion and separation between church and state (not everywhere due to real historical circumstances).
Lunch? I haven't had breakfast yet, although the coffee is brewing.
And then there's second breakfast...
Are you sure it's a good hobbit to have ?
It's never too soon to think about lunch.
Another example of religious persecution by a judge who doesn't understand that blocking this attempt by lawmakers to proselitize in public schools is infringing on the lawmakers' first amendment rights to exercize their religion. /s
The first amendment is wrong. They need to take the no religious test out. Then change religion to white fundamentalist evangelical right wing 'Christianity'.
Then the minority of the country can rule the roost for the next 1,000 years. As it should be. The rest of us will not have to put the heating on again, ever.
It was just the “First Amendment.” They probably got better as they moved on.
Give ‘em an inch…
I'll take it as a good sign that the AG's response was lukewarm rather than being a full-throated 'we will fight on the beaches..." kowtowing to the fundie right. Hopefully AR's conservative legislators will be satisfied with the reelection campaign benefit they got from passing it, and the AR government will leave it at that.
[Edited 3h later to fix the state abbreviation. Thanks for the feedback everyone]
Excuse my pedantry, but AK is Alaska. The shit hole state I hang my hat in is AR.
I know, I know, but Arizona is AZ
I have occasionally wondered if, when the 2 letter abbreviations were first assigned, there were hissy fits over the letters. Or did everyone just skip being outraged over a triviality.
It was all decided on PBS. Now what are we gonna do when Canada becomes a state?
I would like to be able to move to Canada. Of course, with MY rotten luck, the minute I do, it will be overrun and annexed.
I don’t mind cold weather too much after being resided on the frigid shores of Lake Eerie. Canada becomes more attractive daily. I’ve also read that Portugal has a lot to offer expats.
Canada could let it be known that it would only contemplate being part of the USA if the ten provinces and three territories became separate states. Would the present US government really want thirteen extra, left-leaning, sets of politicians? The Republicans might never form another government.
Well, CA is already taken so … CN?
I reckon Alaskans are too chilled out to worry about being AK and not AL.
But those Connecticut folk are probably raging about being CT and not CO. Especially as they became a State of the Union 88 years before Colorado.
All UK railways stations have 3 letter codes. But everybody forgets the Great Railway War of 1906, obviously fought over this issue. Mainly because it never happened.
And WW3 will be fought over airport 4 letter codes.
So, PDXX?
It is 3 letter codes, brain fade there.
I’m in Maryland (MD) and I’m chuffed that Massachusetts got MA.
Not really.
Gotta wonder how Lynyrd Skynyrd felt about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL3eK4nsmyE
So, Bamalama is BA?
Talibama is TB or teubé (stupid).
AK is Alaska. I think you are looking for AR.
A poster of 10C's teaches US history about as well as that French class picture of the Eiffel tower teaches engineering.
If they want to 𝑡𝑒𝑎𝑐ℎ how the founders developed our legal basis, then do that in a unit.
But they don't actually want to teach that. Heck they might even oppose it for the same reason they might oppose 𝑡𝑒𝑎𝑐ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔 the origin of the motto. Because superficiality is their friend while depth of understanding is their enemy.
Those fuckers that allowed “In Gawd We Trust” to be printed on money and other besmirched items are to blame. Everyone knows if you give these god damn evangelicals an inch they take a fucking mile. Quickly becoming my least favorite part of the cult.