Once people become convinced they’re operating under divine sanction, they’re capable of rationalizing an excuse for absolutely anything. Right wing politics and conservative religion are a symbiotic relationship that has dealt the human race nothing but misery. I’m sick to death of performative prayer. Apart from the psychological effects on the believer, prayer never affected the outcome of anything.
“Neither federal nor state constitutions allow the legislature to punish its mayor for showing up and listening to whatever political or religious views are being discussed in our community, whether the mayor agrees with those views or not. That is the mayor’s job,"
The mayor is the government, and therefore the mayor’s speech and actions aren’t protected by the first amendment, they are, in fact, limited by the first amendment. Get this through your thick skulls. The constitution is written to limit what the people in the government can do and provides protection for the people they govern. She was at the rally in her role as mayor, her speech is the government’s speech and therefore is inherently restricted by the constitution. If she were there as realtor, or private citizen, then she is free to say whatever she likes without government interference. But still, what she says will still be subject to other people not being appreciative of it and hold it against her as a candidate for election.
And, as she is claiming she was doing her job, the constitution certainly does allow for the people holding her accountable for poor performance, even if it is religious based bad behavior. She failed as mayor, got reprimanded for it, and is now upset she can’t keep being mayor.
Umm, how, exactly, is calling out an elected official for violating the First Amendment an attack on the First Amendment? And I am pretty sure the only reason she called it an attempt to interfere with the election was 𝗯𝗲𝗰𝗮𝘂𝘀𝗲 she lost, taking a page from her lord and savior's playbook.
𝑆ℎ𝑒’𝑠 𝑢𝑝𝑠𝑒𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑠𝑒𝑞𝑢𝑒𝑛𝑐𝑒𝑠 𝑡𝑜 ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑎𝑐𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛𝑠. And she refuses to accept them.
Her ignorance of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment is simply staggering. She'll need to have her nose rubbed in this one until she gets the message.
That will take a very long time. She will just run to the people who will reaffirm her (probable) view that the Establishment Clause means that Congress is only prohibited from declaring one specific sect the official Church of the United States.
Ask them if that also means that Congress could declare Hinduism the official religion as long as they don't declare on particular sect as the official Temple. I bet they would either understand the Establishment Clause then or double down on the "but we're Christian nation" special pleading nonsense.
The question becomes: will any fines levied in this matter be borne by HER or the city? I suspect you already know my preference. Public government officials need to take personal responsibility for public actions!
I'm not even certain I can begin to count all the ways this is wrong. Right off the top, the event should never have been allowed to happen. Public prayer with government support positively SCREAMS violation of State / Church separation. Mayor Woodward damned well should have known better than to bring apparent government approval to the event by her presence. Sean Feucht has been trouble since he first appeared on the pages of the Friendly Atheist, and Woodward and/or her subordinates should have vetted him LONG before the event happened. I could go on and on.
This was no-doubt-about-it governmental endorsement of ONE SPECIFIC RELIGION ... and it was wrong-Wrong-WRONG.
Sean Feucht was trouble long before he appeared on these pages. There are so many of them, and not enough time to report on all of them. Hemant does need to sleep occasionally...
The only thing they assert she did was "actions that associated her with..." That's it. Everything else is on her. And it's noticeable that she isn't suing them for libel.
Christians will never get the message. Consequences don't happen to them, because they NEVER make poor choices 🙄🙄🙄 cuz jezus.
Only the poor, the sick, and the homeless suffer the consequences of their own poor choices that caused their condition. They just need to find jezus, get a job and get right with the Lord.
You want the almighty dollah, Nadine? Then pray for it like you're supposed to. Isn't that what your savior told you to do when you needed something? Get together with others and pray for it in Jesus' name and his pops will come through? Why so little faith?
“All day yesterday not one fire victim or first responder asked me about my political views. But they did ask us to pray for them.”
I call BS. I bet you dollars to donuts that the fire victims and first responders told her exactly what they needed to stop the fires and/or recover, which isn’t her political views but is political and her fucking job. While it is possible that a little comforting prayer was included in their requests, it most certainly was not a request to spend a large amount of time away from doing the work to help them and publicly express her own inability to govern by asking an imaginary god to do it for her.
If she gets $10 million, I’m going to emulate her. I’ll run for office and be grossly inappropriate until someone criticizes me and then I’ll sue them for criticizing me.
Helpful hints for politicians seeking to avoid criticism for associating with white nationalists: Don't associate with white nationalists. But, if you do, blame those who exposed your behavior. This lawsuit will go nowhere.
"All three women received prayers on stage from Feucht and former state lawmaker Matt Shea."
What those three women...indeed, ANYONE at that super-spreader event...should have received was a dose of COVID. Then they'd be left to wonder why their god didn't protect them. Or maybe even wonder if it wasn't their god's will that they become infected.
Performative MAGA christianity is, first and last, a grift, and everyone connected to it are grifters of the highest order. Taxpayers don't owe this Karen a dime of their hard-earned money because the city council rightfully passed a resolution condemning the ACTIONS of a public official, not her speech.
Once people become convinced they’re operating under divine sanction, they’re capable of rationalizing an excuse for absolutely anything. Right wing politics and conservative religion are a symbiotic relationship that has dealt the human race nothing but misery. I’m sick to death of performative prayer. Apart from the psychological effects on the believer, prayer never affected the outcome of anything.
𝐼 𝑑𝑜𝑛’𝑡 𝑠𝑎𝑦 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑜𝑓𝑡𝑒𝑛, 𝑏𝑢𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑎𝑛 𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑟𝑜𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡 𝑤𝑎𝑠 𝑟𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑡.
** checks sky for airborne hogs **
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then.
“Neither federal nor state constitutions allow the legislature to punish its mayor for showing up and listening to whatever political or religious views are being discussed in our community, whether the mayor agrees with those views or not. That is the mayor’s job,"
The mayor is the government, and therefore the mayor’s speech and actions aren’t protected by the first amendment, they are, in fact, limited by the first amendment. Get this through your thick skulls. The constitution is written to limit what the people in the government can do and provides protection for the people they govern. She was at the rally in her role as mayor, her speech is the government’s speech and therefore is inherently restricted by the constitution. If she were there as realtor, or private citizen, then she is free to say whatever she likes without government interference. But still, what she says will still be subject to other people not being appreciative of it and hold it against her as a candidate for election.
And, as she is claiming she was doing her job, the constitution certainly does allow for the people holding her accountable for poor performance, even if it is religious based bad behavior. She failed as mayor, got reprimanded for it, and is now upset she can’t keep being mayor.
Indeed. Woodward wasn't a bystander. She was an ACTIVE PARTICIPANT in a totally inappropriate public event.
She FAed and now she'll FO.
"showing up and listening"
That's not what she did. She actively participated in the klan rally.
𝑊𝑒𝑙𝑙, 𝑖𝑛 𝑚𝑖𝑑-2024, 𝑠ℎ𝑒 𝑓𝑖𝑙𝑒𝑑 𝑎 𝑐𝑙𝑎𝑖𝑚—𝑎 𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑑𝑒𝑐𝑒𝑠𝑠𝑜𝑟 𝑡𝑜 𝑎 𝑙𝑎𝑤𝑠𝑢𝑖𝑡—𝑎𝑔𝑎𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑐𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑜𝑙𝑢𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛, 𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑖𝑡 𝑤𝑎𝑠 𝑎𝑛 𝑖𝑙𝑙𝑒𝑔𝑎𝑙 𝑎𝑡𝑡𝑎𝑐𝑘 𝑜𝑛 ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑓𝑟𝑒𝑒 𝑠𝑝𝑒𝑒𝑐ℎ 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑎𝑛 𝑎𝑡𝑡𝑒𝑚𝑝𝑡 𝑡𝑜 𝑖𝑛𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑓𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑒𝑙𝑒𝑐𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑠ℎ𝑒 𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑢𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑦 𝑙𝑜𝑠𝑡.
Umm, how, exactly, is calling out an elected official for violating the First Amendment an attack on the First Amendment? And I am pretty sure the only reason she called it an attempt to interfere with the election was 𝗯𝗲𝗰𝗮𝘂𝘀𝗲 she lost, taking a page from her lord and savior's playbook.
𝑆ℎ𝑒’𝑠 𝑢𝑝𝑠𝑒𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑠𝑒𝑞𝑢𝑒𝑛𝑐𝑒𝑠 𝑡𝑜 ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑎𝑐𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛𝑠. And she refuses to accept them.
Her ignorance of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment is simply staggering. She'll need to have her nose rubbed in this one until she gets the message.
That will take a very long time. She will just run to the people who will reaffirm her (probable) view that the Establishment Clause means that Congress is only prohibited from declaring one specific sect the official Church of the United States.
This is it. I’ve directly heard it through the mouths of fundamentalist family members.
Ask them if that also means that Congress could declare Hinduism the official religion as long as they don't declare on particular sect as the official Temple. I bet they would either understand the Establishment Clause then or double down on the "but we're Christian nation" special pleading nonsense.
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The question becomes: will any fines levied in this matter be borne by HER or the city? I suspect you already know my preference. Public government officials need to take personal responsibility for public actions!
I'm not even certain I can begin to count all the ways this is wrong. Right off the top, the event should never have been allowed to happen. Public prayer with government support positively SCREAMS violation of State / Church separation. Mayor Woodward damned well should have known better than to bring apparent government approval to the event by her presence. Sean Feucht has been trouble since he first appeared on the pages of the Friendly Atheist, and Woodward and/or her subordinates should have vetted him LONG before the event happened. I could go on and on.
This was no-doubt-about-it governmental endorsement of ONE SPECIFIC RELIGION ... and it was wrong-Wrong-WRONG.
Sean Feucht was trouble long before he appeared on these pages. There are so many of them, and not enough time to report on all of them. Hemant does need to sleep occasionally...
Not blaming Hemant at all. Just saying that Woodward should have been way more pro-active.
"they just filed an amended claim demanding $10 million from the city because those council members supposedly destroyed her reputation"
No, Karen. You destroyed your reputation. The council just pointed out what an asshole you are.
She needs to take in multiple viewings of the original version of "I Just Fucking Shot Myself! -The Musical."
The only thing they assert she did was "actions that associated her with..." That's it. Everything else is on her. And it's noticeable that she isn't suing them for libel.
Dishonesty, bigotry, lying for jesus, blaming everyone else for the consequences of your own poor chocies: all traits of xtian scumbags.
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Christians will never get the message. Consequences don't happen to them, because they NEVER make poor choices 🙄🙄🙄 cuz jezus.
Only the poor, the sick, and the homeless suffer the consequences of their own poor choices that caused their condition. They just need to find jezus, get a job and get right with the Lord.
Is she in training for the Self-Butt Kicking Championship in my state? She's certainly in contention for it.
Anyone who knowingly files a frivolous lawsuit should not simply be slapped down but fined for the attempt.
Well, Spokane is more west Idaho than eastern Washington.
Yep yep. Jesusland, through and through.
It is difficult to decipher where Coeur d’Alene ends and Spokane begins and Coeur d’Alene is a right wing hotbed of lunatics with a pretty lake.
ETA, I forgot to mention the military base on the other side of the city, so religious fanaticism is surrounding the city for sure.
You want the almighty dollah, Nadine? Then pray for it like you're supposed to. Isn't that what your savior told you to do when you needed something? Get together with others and pray for it in Jesus' name and his pops will come through? Why so little faith?
If she had faith like a grain of mustard seed...
“All day yesterday not one fire victim or first responder asked me about my political views. But they did ask us to pray for them.”
I call BS. I bet you dollars to donuts that the fire victims and first responders told her exactly what they needed to stop the fires and/or recover, which isn’t her political views but is political and her fucking job. While it is possible that a little comforting prayer was included in their requests, it most certainly was not a request to spend a large amount of time away from doing the work to help them and publicly express her own inability to govern by asking an imaginary god to do it for her.
"The claim says Woodward “continues to suffer ongoing injury, including vitriol, backlash..."
NOBODY expects the City Council! Our chief weapon is vitriol...vitriol and backlash. Our two weapons...
If I had a nickel for every time someone vitrioled me ...
It's even worse than being asperityed.
Intelligent design my ass.
If she gets $10 million, I’m going to emulate her. I’ll run for office and be grossly inappropriate until someone criticizes me and then I’ll sue them for criticizing me.
You'll lose (in a sane world*) but your lawyer will still want to get paid.
*Does anyone have a spare one laying around?
Just grab one of the lawyers Drumpf hasn't paid yet.
Helpful hints for politicians seeking to avoid criticism for associating with white nationalists: Don't associate with white nationalists. But, if you do, blame those who exposed your behavior. This lawsuit will go nowhere.
"All three women received prayers on stage from Feucht and former state lawmaker Matt Shea."
What those three women...indeed, ANYONE at that super-spreader event...should have received was a dose of COVID. Then they'd be left to wonder why their god didn't protect them. Or maybe even wonder if it wasn't their god's will that they become infected.
Performative MAGA christianity is, first and last, a grift, and everyone connected to it are grifters of the highest order. Taxpayers don't owe this Karen a dime of their hard-earned money because the city council rightfully passed a resolution condemning the ACTIONS of a public official, not her speech.
This is the exact type of person who is unfit to serve in our democratic republic. They have a one-track mind, and it's not on the right track.