There doesn't seem to be much of anything that doesn't outrage evangelicals. They are professional victims who expect to be deferred to, such is thier privileged position in our culture.
I wonder if it will ever matter that Trump has basically told the world that male MAGA can't get jobs or perform any useful task, except on a "tilted" playing field....
One in which EVERY other demographic "suppresses their rights". If every demo is able to oppress MAGA so thoroughly, AND get the jobs these uneducated white, racist men want, isn't that simply an indication of what incredible LOSERS MAGA men truly are?
But then, they seem to enjoy being made to feel like losers....at least when it comes from the LOSER-in-Chief.
Meanwhile, in reality, the cis white MAGA men have most of the power and are doing all the oppression. What makes them feel oppressed is the fact that they only have most of the power instead of all of it.
They go about the World acting like they are the only arbiters of 'appropriate behavior'. I don't recall the bible discussing the correct circumstances for 2 women to be wrestling... But, as a retired physician who taught for a while, I actually understand human sexual physiology... perhaps the better part of wisdom in this situation is for any trams individuals to declare it 'in front of god and everybody' and let their opponents decide whether to compete against them or not.
No teen should be forced to declare their sexuality in such a public way. There's a big difference between being up front and honest when it's important (that's good, yes we should expect that), and being forced into the public spotlight (bad, and unnecessary).
However it doesn't sound to me like this competitor was actively trying to deceive anyone. It sounds more like their team already knew, a number of other competitors already knew, nobody was hiding or denying it, and the competition's rules allowed it. It was simply the case that Keeler and her mom didn't know.
Which is a nothingburger, IMO. As long as the event organizers are aware that an individual meets the requirements to compete, that competitor has *no* obligation to go around informing every one of their opponents individually that they are trans.
There really is no good solution here... Think about that Moroccan wrestler who was apparently XXY and identified as female. She would have more testosterone than an XX female. The simple truth of the matter is that the world is not black and white, yes or no, male and female... and evilgelicals cannot tolerate shades of grey,
"Should this person be allowed to compete in this event" is an entirely different question from "should a legally allowed competitor be forced to out themselves to each of their opponents." Whatever one may think about the first, the answer to the second is IMO a pretty solid no.
The time and place to acknowledge one is a trans competitor is before the competition, to the organizers of it, to make sure you are following the rules as to what event you can compete in. Once that's done, and the organizers have confirmed that you are entered into the correct event (for your age, weight class, sex, skill level, whatever), it's not really much of anyone else's business.
I'm still not seeing any obligation to out ones' self to every competitor in turn. What matters for sports competitions is: are you obeying the rules. So the organizers might need to know, the same way they may need to know your age or your weight class. But once they adjudicate which event you properly belong in, I don't see why a competitor should be forced to out themselves to others.
I am still traveling, so I don’t have much time this morning. Gotta go get lost in the desert of new mexico so that my husband can collect the insurance money.
I was a wrestling coach for six years, and a pretty good one. I took my 30th place team to 15th in one year, 11th the next, 10th the next. I would always tell people who asked about gay sex and wrestling: if you have time to think about sex, you have time to lose. and I would tell others wrestling was sexy only before and after, not during a match.
So, for these people, in their fever dreams of fear, saw sexual assault going on, they were looking for it. And if what they thought they saw was pussy grabbing, let me introduce them to Grabby McPussy, the president of the united states.
Why do they hate us so much? What did we do to these people that they seem to just want us dead? It's genuinely terrifying to be trans rn and I'm so afraid that ostensibly non bigoted cis people are going to abandon us to these freaks.
Because fascism is OBSESSED with putting everything in tidy little binary boxes and destroying anyone who doesn't fit into that box. Never forget that the famous photo of the Nazi book burnings happened at Dr. Hirschfeld's gender clinic, the first of its kind in the world.
They are a minority. They just happen to be the loudest people in the room. Folks with critical thinking skills intact won’t abandon you. Hang in there!
They hate trans people because they upset their simplistic view of sex and gender. They refuse to be educated about the subtitles involved and would rather be outraged than actually LEARN something new.
They also hate trans people because they are MASSIVE consumers of trans porn and they hate THEMSELVES for it so must project their hate onto the objects of their desire. I'm not even kidding.
Okay, so you choose some random ugly behavior and apply it to your chosen group of people. Then you state it as fact. Don't like it because that's what MAGAt's and religious people do. You are mirroring their bad behavior!
It's been studied extensively and I'm only bringing it up because it's true. Also there is NOTHING wrong with liking trans porn and I am NOT kink shaming. What's wrong is how THEY make it their life's work to destroy the very objects of their desire. And btw, I'm a trans woman myself with a Psychology degree so I do know a thing or two about how this stuff works.
As Old Man Shadow says, they probably want all nonconformists dead. It's just that in this day and age, trans and gay people are the only groups they can say that about out loud.
In other words they're looking for unchanging standards, or to use a different word, ABSOLUTE. From my point of view, there are damn few absolutes in a world that shows me more relative than anything else.
What makes this the most problematic is that their behaviors and preferences appear to stem from their neurophysiology. And what do you do about that?
As I've said before, conservatism is caused by neurological defects. The part of the brain that allows us to deal with ambiguity is smaller in them, and their amygdala is larger. Which is why the "their coming to take our guns," works so well on them, even though it has never happened.
I felt the same way when J.K.Rowling suddenly tweeted hatred against asexuals like me and a bunch of her asshole followers joined in. Like you - the fuck did I ever do to anyone? Why is it such a big deal to a bunch of complete strangers that I don't experience sexual attraction or desire? Oh right because everyone must be straight and making babies. Nothing else matters! It's insanity. (EDIT: To be fair, at least nobody's calling for asexuals to be murdered. Fucking hell).
Only because in right-wing christian cults not wanting sex is normal. For the feminine ones anyway, because the men are so awful about consent. I know it is not the same thing but they don't.
It's the real slippery slope. Start out openly hating on the easiest target, until you're in a position to go after everyone else who doesn't conform. And of course this particular slope of slipperiness leads to fascism and murder.
Mediocre athlete here. Back in high school, we lost against a basketball team that had really tall people on the team. This caused me undo stress. I was also sexually assaulted by an opponent squarely placing a knee in my groinal area. To add insult to injury, I was called for a blocking foul when it clearly was a charge.
I demand that the foul be rescinded and the game results be reversed.
Was that team from Indiana, perchance? I went to college with a guy who was 7 feet tall who was from Indiana and he said they drink a LOT of hormone enhanced milk over there.
Ugh!!!! She’s clearly attacking her opponent because she is trans. Which is despicable and harms everyone involved. You can even see in the comments from the anti-trans folks that even their disdain is for more than the transgender people, it’s for women in general. The comment about having a girls wrestling sport where they don’t touch and whoever cries first loses is a big giveaway.
Boys and girls have been wrestling each other since my brothers were in wrestling back in the 80s. And boys were always crying about wrestling the girls because they didn’t want to lose to a girl, and that’s why girls got their own sport.
Anti-trans bigotry has only served to make all women less safe, trans women are attacked and cis women are attacked. I’ve seen it first hand in a public restroom where a woman started shouting about men in women’s bathrooms and the man in question was a cis woman. The restroom was overfull and everyone was standing in line and there was no way something untoward could have happened even if a cis man walked in. But the woman screaming still harassed the other woman because she was blinded by bigotry. Then there’s the cis woman working at Walmart who was assaulted by a man insisting she was trans and then Walmart fired her for the incident.
This a type of accusation only undermines actual accusations of assault. Makes women, cis and trans, seem to be not credible in a world where they’re automatically disbelieved surrounding sexual misconduct. I want to believe her that she was assaulted but when it’s presented as all about the trans status of the opponent, it’s difficult to get to the truth. When she said that the spandex was breeched, it’s hard to see that happening. At no time did the leg of her uniform go that far up to her crotch to get a finger past it, nor does she claim the seam was torn, it sounds like it was just a natural consequence of a wrestling move. Probably something she had experienced before. Most of the time during the match neither athlete even had contact below the waist, and the one time it happened it didn’t even look as though a hand even grazed the crotch, only the thigh.
This is really difficult to parse. I feel like Gaines isn’t getting the societal shift the right was hoping for, she’s a pariah outside their bubble, because just losing once to a transgender woman isn’t something anyone really cares about. So I think this is an attempt to hit a trans woman with sexual assault to get the movement they want, to vilify transgender people. They want everyone to think transgender means sexual predator but we have decades of them not being the problem. Here’s an opportunity to change that. They’ll tell the lie often enough to sway the apathetic to their side. It was only a matter of time.
Vilfying trans people is probably like third on their goal list. #1 is use the publicity to increase donations. #2 is lose the case all the way up to SCOTUS, in the hopes of getting a nationwide "no trans athletes in womens' sports" ruling.
If you're really assaulted, you likely ask for a restraining order against the individual who assaulted you, and you want it to be active all the time, everywhere. Keeler and ADF don't ask for that. Instead, they're asking for the entire class of 'trans women' to be restrained...but only from sports competition. The trans individual in question could still walk up and engage with Keeler on the street! This makes no sense if Keeler truly fears further assault from this person. So it seems to me that not even Keeler and her mom are acting as if this was a sexual assault.
I don’t think these three goals are separate, they all feed into each other. I really do believe they found the match to set the whole transgender support system on fire. I hope it doesn’t work, and with the lack of anti-trans support for this instance, I don’t think they’ll get it this time. But look out for more of these cases.
Blatant illegal discrimination. If you are assaulted by a blond person, you don't get to take out a restraining order on all blonds. And you can't make sports rules in favor of a single competitor.
The judge should throw this out because the remedy being sought is ridiculous and illegal.
If ADF wants to sue to overturn the state's laws about transgender athletes, that would at least be a legal question the judge could consider. But I can't see how any judge would award the specific things this lawsuit asks for.
Oh, I'm sure she does want to quit- but only if she can trade up in favor of a lucrative career as a right-wing talking head, just like Riley Gaines did.
I suspect they may be attempting something Trump often does, as in, ask for something completely insane in the suit, and when you're 'willing to compromise' later and settle for something marginally less nuts, it'll seem reasonable and the other side will accept it.
Think about that 10B suit he slapped on the IRS earlier this year. After asking for that amount of money in damages, does the whole thing about the IRS not being able to pursue Trump family members seem quite as crazy as it actually is?
IANAL, but I think if I were I'd be laughing at their requests. Just consider what a nonsequitur it is to assert you were sexually assaulted by a guy from another team in a match, and the remedy you demand from the courts is "no guys be allowed to compete 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑜𝑛 𝑦𝑜𝑢𝑟 𝑡𝑒𝑎𝑚."
I don't see how it's a bargaining chip, it's so out there its much more likely to just be tossed out.
I just notice that Trump has done this and gotten away with it several times, and his cases don't appear to be sound, either. There may be other considerations driving how it works, but it does seem to work for him entirely too often. Maybe it's a function of there not being consequences to speak of for slapping lawsuits around like Easter candy or something.
Echoes of that dipshit fencer who pitched a tantrum over having to face a trans woman even though she'd participated in a mixed tourney competing against cis men... what was it, the previous bloody 𝘸𝘦𝘦𝘬? I can't even with these people. They have no shame at all.
-- Ted Koppel, to Sean Hannity, on why he (Hannity) is bad for America
Not just more important than facts, but more important than PEOPLE and their sensibilities. Add that to an utter lack of empathy, and you have the current situation.
What’s truly incredible is how transphobic cis women can’t see that all the hatred pointed towards trans women is also hate for them. It’s all rooted in misogyny.
I have a very racist BIL. He will be celebrating his 85th birthday this month, so I know that even if he lives to 100 like his mother, I only have to put up with him for another 15 years.
But it makes me despair that there is another generation just like him coming along behind me.
I keep telling the dummies that, trans-persons are our natural allies against the patriarchy which is the real enemy. All we have to do is welcome them, and respect their rights! It's such an easy thing to do!
This may be blatantly obvious, but since this was a match for THIRD place, that means the trans girl had already lost at least a couple of matches... to UNtrans real girly girls!
And apparently none of them complained of sexual assault.
The fact that the girl exists angers and outrages these people. They don't want her to exist. They want her to either conform to their expectations or they want her to vanish.
They are the modern descendants of inquisitors. They will hunt out all "deviance" and exterminate it.
Apparently we have a Karen out there who knows NOTHING about wrestling, who sees something she wants to interpret as a sexual assault on her daughter and screams bloody about it ... when EVERYONE ELSE sees the SAME THING, shrugs and responds, "That's wrestling. What's the big deal?"
It's a fact: some people are DETERMINED to be victims, either directly or by proximate association. They need to be called on it, bluntly if necessary, because they spoil the event for everyone else.
I love how even the other fucking transphobes are all like "nah fam, that's just how you do that sport." That's the cherry on top of this latest shit-sundae.
So, when did they find out that Keeler's opponent was trans? If Hemant had not pointed out that Keeler was in blue, I would not have known which was which. It appears to me that the mother found out after the match, and her sense of entitlement pushed her to file the lawsuit. Of course, she went to the lying liars for Jesus to lie for her about the gender of her child's opponent.
It also sounds like Keeler herself may not have known. In fact, you probably don’t get to the last match of the tournament without having wrestled a few times earlier in the tournament and it seems like no one else had an issue or knew.
And it's pretty obvious that Keeler's parents (because let's be frank here, this is probably coming from her parents) want to jump on that Right Wing Grievance Gravy Train and ride it all the way into the sunset like Riley Gaines did.
For those who wonder why Mr. Omnipotent needs his minion's protection: It is because they do believe that their god is weak even though they won't admit it.
Some take aways from the following article.
The strong are vulnerable and need to be protected, while the weak are not as vulnerable and don't need much protection.
Liberals want to protect the weak, conservatives want to protect the strong.
People with the most power need to be protected, while the people with the least power don't need to be.
The weak are strong, and the strong are weak.
From the article itself:
“Those on the left view the marginalized and the environment as more vulnerable to harm, victimization, and mistreatment. Those on the right view the powerful and the divine as more vulnerable.”
Gods, the Musk's, the Bezos's, and the Ellison's are actually weak according to conservatives. Minorities of all stripes aren't.
I think that's the basic problem, conservatives are completely delusional. Their brains really are defective.
I would LOVE to hear how to justify that someone richer, more powerful and influential is MORE vulnerable than someone for whom those qualities are a stranger to them.
I think it's more like Zorg said and I commented on elsewhere here: they want EVERYTHING to STAY THE SAME. They don't like change, they don't like gray scales, variability or nuance. They are far more comfortable with BLACK and WHITE and precious little in between.
And, of course, reality not only won't cater to them; it simply does not care. It just does its thing, to their ongoing consternation.
There doesn't seem to be much of anything that doesn't outrage evangelicals. They are professional victims who expect to be deferred to, such is thier privileged position in our culture.
If you're used to privilege then equality can feel like persecution
I wonder if it will ever matter that Trump has basically told the world that male MAGA can't get jobs or perform any useful task, except on a "tilted" playing field....
One in which EVERY other demographic "suppresses their rights". If every demo is able to oppress MAGA so thoroughly, AND get the jobs these uneducated white, racist men want, isn't that simply an indication of what incredible LOSERS MAGA men truly are?
But then, they seem to enjoy being made to feel like losers....at least when it comes from the LOSER-in-Chief.
Meanwhile, in reality, the cis white MAGA men have most of the power and are doing all the oppression. What makes them feel oppressed is the fact that they only have most of the power instead of all of it.
"MOMMY! They want to treat me EQUALLY! I want my advantage back! I want my unearned privilege! I want it MY WAY!"
You misspelled evilgeliacal.
They go about the World acting like they are the only arbiters of 'appropriate behavior'. I don't recall the bible discussing the correct circumstances for 2 women to be wrestling... But, as a retired physician who taught for a while, I actually understand human sexual physiology... perhaps the better part of wisdom in this situation is for any trams individuals to declare it 'in front of god and everybody' and let their opponents decide whether to compete against them or not.
No teen should be forced to declare their sexuality in such a public way. There's a big difference between being up front and honest when it's important (that's good, yes we should expect that), and being forced into the public spotlight (bad, and unnecessary).
However it doesn't sound to me like this competitor was actively trying to deceive anyone. It sounds more like their team already knew, a number of other competitors already knew, nobody was hiding or denying it, and the competition's rules allowed it. It was simply the case that Keeler and her mom didn't know.
Which is a nothingburger, IMO. As long as the event organizers are aware that an individual meets the requirements to compete, that competitor has *no* obligation to go around informing every one of their opponents individually that they are trans.
There really is no good solution here... Think about that Moroccan wrestler who was apparently XXY and identified as female. She would have more testosterone than an XX female. The simple truth of the matter is that the world is not black and white, yes or no, male and female... and evilgelicals cannot tolerate shades of grey,
"Should this person be allowed to compete in this event" is an entirely different question from "should a legally allowed competitor be forced to out themselves to each of their opponents." Whatever one may think about the first, the answer to the second is IMO a pretty solid no.
The time and place to acknowledge one is a trans competitor is before the competition, to the organizers of it, to make sure you are following the rules as to what event you can compete in. Once that's done, and the organizers have confirmed that you are entered into the correct event (for your age, weight class, sex, skill level, whatever), it's not really much of anyone else's business.
She was already out - a coach on an opposing team knew. This is the contact point of athletics, medicine, and ethics.
I'm still not seeing any obligation to out ones' self to every competitor in turn. What matters for sports competitions is: are you obeying the rules. So the organizers might need to know, the same way they may need to know your age or your weight class. But once they adjudicate which event you properly belong in, I don't see why a competitor should be forced to out themselves to others.
Theists never stop trying to shoehorn the universe into their magic books.
Let their opponents decide whether to forfeit or not. FIFY.
I am still traveling, so I don’t have much time this morning. Gotta go get lost in the desert of new mexico so that my husband can collect the insurance money.
I was a wrestling coach for six years, and a pretty good one. I took my 30th place team to 15th in one year, 11th the next, 10th the next. I would always tell people who asked about gay sex and wrestling: if you have time to think about sex, you have time to lose. and I would tell others wrestling was sexy only before and after, not during a match.
So, for these people, in their fever dreams of fear, saw sexual assault going on, they were looking for it. And if what they thought they saw was pussy grabbing, let me introduce them to Grabby McPussy, the president of the united states.
He’s famous, you know.
I think you mean "Infamous" ... or "Notorious."
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9z0e1Wm64M&pp=ygUJbm90b3Jpb3Vz
The exact quote is “when you’re famous, they let you do it.”
Not when you are notorious
Well, Trump is nothing if not notorious, and so far, he's getting away with everything BUT murder ... and his term is not even half-over.
Isn't that state now called New America?
And if not, why not?
Alliance Defending ̶F̶r̶e̶e̶d̶o̶m̶ Fascism.
FIFY
Assholes Demanding Fascism.
This is now my preferred nomenclature for them!
Shhh! You said the quiet part out loud!
Do we really have any "quiet part" that we don't want voiced out loud? I tend to think not.
Beat ya to it. Sort of. :)
Why do they hate us so much? What did we do to these people that they seem to just want us dead? It's genuinely terrifying to be trans rn and I'm so afraid that ostensibly non bigoted cis people are going to abandon us to these freaks.
I’ll stand by transgender people. The folks against them are all the aggressors and I’m not stupid.
Because fascism is OBSESSED with putting everything in tidy little binary boxes and destroying anyone who doesn't fit into that box. Never forget that the famous photo of the Nazi book burnings happened at Dr. Hirschfeld's gender clinic, the first of its kind in the world.
They are a minority. They just happen to be the loudest people in the room. Folks with critical thinking skills intact won’t abandon you. Hang in there!
They hate trans people because they upset their simplistic view of sex and gender. They refuse to be educated about the subtitles involved and would rather be outraged than actually LEARN something new.
It's tragic and hurtful, but there it is.
They also hate trans people because they are MASSIVE consumers of trans porn and they hate THEMSELVES for it so must project their hate onto the objects of their desire. I'm not even kidding.
Yes, remember the North Carolina "black nazi?" He said he loved that kind of porn.
Okay, so you choose some random ugly behavior and apply it to your chosen group of people. Then you state it as fact. Don't like it because that's what MAGAt's and religious people do. You are mirroring their bad behavior!
It's been studied extensively and I'm only bringing it up because it's true. Also there is NOTHING wrong with liking trans porn and I am NOT kink shaming. What's wrong is how THEY make it their life's work to destroy the very objects of their desire. And btw, I'm a trans woman myself with a Psychology degree so I do know a thing or two about how this stuff works.
https://www.intomore.com/impact/breaking/study-finds-anti-trans-republicans-love-trans-porn/
https://medium.com/the-transamorous-network/the-lovely-hypocrisy-of-conservative-transphobes-9e80617bbf10
https://www.unclosetedmedia.com/p/why-are-so-many-anti-lgbtq-republicans
https://lawsuit.org/general-law/republicans-have-an-obsession-with-transgender-pornography/
https://fordhamobserver.com/78283/opinions/republicans-are-just-bisexual/
Hmm. good stuff. Thanks!
As Old Man Shadow says, they probably want all nonconformists dead. It's just that in this day and age, trans and gay people are the only groups they can say that about out loud.
They don't deal with differences worth a good damn and aren't interested in adapting to a change in their world view.
Honestly, it stuns me that people WANT to live this way ... but they do.
𝐂𝐨𝐧𝐬𝐞𝐫𝐯𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐯𝐞𝐬 𝐭𝐞𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐨 𝐩𝐫𝐢𝐨𝐫𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐳𝐞 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐛𝐢𝐥𝐢𝐭𝐲, 𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐞𝐫, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐬𝐞𝐜𝐮𝐫𝐢𝐭𝐲, 𝐬𝐡𝐨𝐰𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐝𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐜𝐭 𝐜𝐨𝐠𝐧𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐯𝐞, 𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐚𝐥, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐚𝐥 𝐩𝐚𝐭𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐧𝐬 𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐩𝐚𝐫𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐨 𝐥𝐢𝐛𝐞𝐫𝐚𝐥𝐬.
Personality and Cognitive Traits
• Conservatives generally value 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐛𝐢𝐥𝐢𝐭𝐲, 𝐭𝐫𝐚𝐝𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐦𝐢𝐭𝐲, and they are more uncomfortable with ambiguity and uncertainty than liberals
Psychology Today +1
• They often exhibit a 𝐡𝐢𝐠𝐡 𝐧𝐞𝐞𝐝 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐜𝐥𝐨𝐬𝐮𝐫𝐞, preferring predictable environments and clear rules, and may resist rapid social or cultural change
analysisforge.com
•Personality research indicates that conservatives score higher on conscientiousness and 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐦𝐢𝐭𝐲, while being less open to new experiences
Psychology Today
• They also show heightened sensitivity to 𝐩𝐮𝐫𝐢𝐭𝐲 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐝𝐢𝐬𝐠𝐮𝐬𝐭, which can influence moral judgments and social attitudes
Psychology Today
From Copilot
IOW they are morally stunted.
In other words they're looking for unchanging standards, or to use a different word, ABSOLUTE. From my point of view, there are damn few absolutes in a world that shows me more relative than anything else.
What makes this the most problematic is that their behaviors and preferences appear to stem from their neurophysiology. And what do you do about that?
As I've said before, conservatism is caused by neurological defects. The part of the brain that allows us to deal with ambiguity is smaller in them, and their amygdala is larger. Which is why the "their coming to take our guns," works so well on them, even though it has never happened.
As for purity:
https://youtu.be/493pL_Vbtnc?t=20
I knew I should have scrolled down.
They also have huge Amygdala, the part of the brain anatomy known as the "Lizard brain" the "fear center" or "the fight, or flight center."
For now.
I felt the same way when J.K.Rowling suddenly tweeted hatred against asexuals like me and a bunch of her asshole followers joined in. Like you - the fuck did I ever do to anyone? Why is it such a big deal to a bunch of complete strangers that I don't experience sexual attraction or desire? Oh right because everyone must be straight and making babies. Nothing else matters! It's insanity. (EDIT: To be fair, at least nobody's calling for asexuals to be murdered. Fucking hell).
Only because in right-wing christian cults not wanting sex is normal. For the feminine ones anyway, because the men are so awful about consent. I know it is not the same thing but they don't.
Bigotry is subject to crank magnetism- collect one brand, and others are sure to follow.
It's the real slippery slope. Start out openly hating on the easiest target, until you're in a position to go after everyone else who doesn't conform. And of course this particular slope of slipperiness leads to fascism and murder.
Good people will not. Bad people always will. The people in the middle are reachable.
Mediocre athlete here. Back in high school, we lost against a basketball team that had really tall people on the team. This caused me undo stress. I was also sexually assaulted by an opponent squarely placing a knee in my groinal area. To add insult to injury, I was called for a blocking foul when it clearly was a charge.
I demand that the foul be rescinded and the game results be reversed.
"Unwanted penetration" is basically the entire sport of fencing.
If only you had Greg Brady there for the photographic evidence.
Was that team from Indiana, perchance? I went to college with a guy who was 7 feet tall who was from Indiana and he said they drink a LOT of hormone enhanced milk over there.
Small school Iowa. 6'2" was the tallest on our team.
Ugh!!!! She’s clearly attacking her opponent because she is trans. Which is despicable and harms everyone involved. You can even see in the comments from the anti-trans folks that even their disdain is for more than the transgender people, it’s for women in general. The comment about having a girls wrestling sport where they don’t touch and whoever cries first loses is a big giveaway.
Boys and girls have been wrestling each other since my brothers were in wrestling back in the 80s. And boys were always crying about wrestling the girls because they didn’t want to lose to a girl, and that’s why girls got their own sport.
Anti-trans bigotry has only served to make all women less safe, trans women are attacked and cis women are attacked. I’ve seen it first hand in a public restroom where a woman started shouting about men in women’s bathrooms and the man in question was a cis woman. The restroom was overfull and everyone was standing in line and there was no way something untoward could have happened even if a cis man walked in. But the woman screaming still harassed the other woman because she was blinded by bigotry. Then there’s the cis woman working at Walmart who was assaulted by a man insisting she was trans and then Walmart fired her for the incident.
This a type of accusation only undermines actual accusations of assault. Makes women, cis and trans, seem to be not credible in a world where they’re automatically disbelieved surrounding sexual misconduct. I want to believe her that she was assaulted but when it’s presented as all about the trans status of the opponent, it’s difficult to get to the truth. When she said that the spandex was breeched, it’s hard to see that happening. At no time did the leg of her uniform go that far up to her crotch to get a finger past it, nor does she claim the seam was torn, it sounds like it was just a natural consequence of a wrestling move. Probably something she had experienced before. Most of the time during the match neither athlete even had contact below the waist, and the one time it happened it didn’t even look as though a hand even grazed the crotch, only the thigh.
This is really difficult to parse. I feel like Gaines isn’t getting the societal shift the right was hoping for, she’s a pariah outside their bubble, because just losing once to a transgender woman isn’t something anyone really cares about. So I think this is an attempt to hit a trans woman with sexual assault to get the movement they want, to vilify transgender people. They want everyone to think transgender means sexual predator but we have decades of them not being the problem. Here’s an opportunity to change that. They’ll tell the lie often enough to sway the apathetic to their side. It was only a matter of time.
Vilfying trans people is probably like third on their goal list. #1 is use the publicity to increase donations. #2 is lose the case all the way up to SCOTUS, in the hopes of getting a nationwide "no trans athletes in womens' sports" ruling.
If you're really assaulted, you likely ask for a restraining order against the individual who assaulted you, and you want it to be active all the time, everywhere. Keeler and ADF don't ask for that. Instead, they're asking for the entire class of 'trans women' to be restrained...but only from sports competition. The trans individual in question could still walk up and engage with Keeler on the street! This makes no sense if Keeler truly fears further assault from this person. So it seems to me that not even Keeler and her mom are acting as if this was a sexual assault.
I don’t think these three goals are separate, they all feed into each other. I really do believe they found the match to set the whole transgender support system on fire. I hope it doesn’t work, and with the lack of anti-trans support for this instance, I don’t think they’ll get it this time. But look out for more of these cases.
Can you post your theater link again? I hope I'm not too late.
Bstonline.org
You should be able to get tickets for the livestream today. But do it early.
Got it.
𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝑙𝑎𝑤𝑠𝑢𝑖𝑡 𝑠𝑒𝑒𝑘𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑐𝑙𝑢𝑑𝑒 𝑡𝑟𝑎𝑛𝑠𝑔𝑒𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑟 𝑎𝑡ℎ𝑙𝑒𝑡𝑒𝑠 𝑓𝑟𝑜𝑚 𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑝𝑒𝑡𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑜𝑟 𝑎𝑔𝑎𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑡 𝐾𝑒𝑒𝑙𝑒𝑟 𝑖𝑛 𝑠𝑝𝑜𝑟𝑡𝑠
Blatant illegal discrimination. If you are assaulted by a blond person, you don't get to take out a restraining order on all blonds. And you can't make sports rules in favor of a single competitor.
The judge should throw this out because the remedy being sought is ridiculous and illegal.
If ADF wants to sue to overturn the state's laws about transgender athletes, that would at least be a legal question the judge could consider. But I can't see how any judge would award the specific things this lawsuit asks for.
If she doesn't want to compete against trans people she can just QUIT or take up basket weaving. It's a simple solution.
Oh, I'm sure she does want to quit- but only if she can trade up in favor of a lucrative career as a right-wing talking head, just like Riley Gaines did.
I suspect they may be attempting something Trump often does, as in, ask for something completely insane in the suit, and when you're 'willing to compromise' later and settle for something marginally less nuts, it'll seem reasonable and the other side will accept it.
Think about that 10B suit he slapped on the IRS earlier this year. After asking for that amount of money in damages, does the whole thing about the IRS not being able to pursue Trump family members seem quite as crazy as it actually is?
IANAL, but I think if I were I'd be laughing at their requests. Just consider what a nonsequitur it is to assert you were sexually assaulted by a guy from another team in a match, and the remedy you demand from the courts is "no guys be allowed to compete 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑜𝑛 𝑦𝑜𝑢𝑟 𝑡𝑒𝑎𝑚."
I don't see how it's a bargaining chip, it's so out there its much more likely to just be tossed out.
Yeah, I'm not a lawyer, either.
I just notice that Trump has done this and gotten away with it several times, and his cases don't appear to be sound, either. There may be other considerations driving how it works, but it does seem to work for him entirely too often. Maybe it's a function of there not being consequences to speak of for slapping lawsuits around like Easter candy or something.
And LOL at all those people saying they've wrestled girls before and that co-ed wrestling is actually VERY NORMAL.
But OH MY GOD a trans girl wrestled a cis girl and it's the end of the fucking world!
These fucking people. JFC.
These people are a LOT of things. "Rational" is NOT one of them!
Echoes of that dipshit fencer who pitched a tantrum over having to face a trans woman even though she'd participated in a mixed tourney competing against cis men... what was it, the previous bloody 𝘸𝘦𝘦𝘬? I can't even with these people. They have no shame at all.
https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.248ed6267a32b502b238b6c16aec789b?rik=3AWR5Kak1%2bhSnw&pid=ImgRaw&r=0
This is one of the main reasons MAGA is identified as a cult. their viciousness in service of their ideology knows no bounds.
𝑌𝑜𝑢 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑎𝑡𝑡𝑟𝑎𝑐𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑝𝑒𝑜𝑝𝑙𝑒 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑑𝑒𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑚𝑖𝑛𝑒𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑖𝑑𝑒𝑜𝑙𝑜𝑔𝑦 𝑖𝑠 𝑚𝑜𝑟𝑒 𝑖𝑚𝑝𝑜𝑟𝑡𝑎𝑛𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑛 𝑓𝑎𝑐𝑡𝑠.
-- Ted Koppel, to Sean Hannity, on why he (Hannity) is bad for America
Not just more important than facts, but more important than PEOPLE and their sensibilities. Add that to an utter lack of empathy, and you have the current situation.
What’s truly incredible is how transphobic cis women can’t see that all the hatred pointed towards trans women is also hate for them. It’s all rooted in misogyny.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DZeKP4ssr9f/?igsh=Z202enhiY290MWd2
Damn. To listen to those women deny themselves their agency and their right to express a political opinion at the voting booth.
Stepford Wives, anyone? 😝
It was a TP 🧻 USA event so to be expected.
And they lionize Charlie Kirk as though he were the Second Coming ... mostly because Charlie reinforced their own biases and bigotries.
[sigh] Un-f*cking all of this is going to take FOREVER.
I have a very racist BIL. He will be celebrating his 85th birthday this month, so I know that even if he lives to 100 like his mother, I only have to put up with him for another 15 years.
But it makes me despair that there is another generation just like him coming along behind me.
I keep telling the dummies that, trans-persons are our natural allies against the patriarchy which is the real enemy. All we have to do is welcome them, and respect their rights! It's such an easy thing to do!
💯
This may be blatantly obvious, but since this was a match for THIRD place, that means the trans girl had already lost at least a couple of matches... to UNtrans real girly girls!
And apparently none of them complained of sexual assault.
No surprise there- it's Riley "Tied for 5th" Gaines all over again, but with an extra edge of malice by flinging SA allegations around.
I was going to say the same thing.
I bet they were pitched to say so, though.
The fact that the girl exists angers and outrages these people. They don't want her to exist. They want her to either conform to their expectations or they want her to vanish.
They are the modern descendants of inquisitors. They will hunt out all "deviance" and exterminate it.
Yep, conservatives.
Apparently we have a Karen out there who knows NOTHING about wrestling, who sees something she wants to interpret as a sexual assault on her daughter and screams bloody about it ... when EVERYONE ELSE sees the SAME THING, shrugs and responds, "That's wrestling. What's the big deal?"
It's a fact: some people are DETERMINED to be victims, either directly or by proximate association. They need to be called on it, bluntly if necessary, because they spoil the event for everyone else.
I love how even the other fucking transphobes are all like "nah fam, that's just how you do that sport." That's the cherry on top of this latest shit-sundae.
𝑁𝑜𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑠𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑑𝑠 𝑎𝑠 𝑑𝑒𝑠𝑝𝑒𝑟𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝑎𝑠 𝑎 𝑙𝑎𝑤𝑠𝑢𝑖𝑡 𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑠𝑜𝑚𝑒𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑒𝑙𝑠𝑒 𝑡𝑜𝑜𝑘 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑁𝑜𝑡 𝐸𝑣𝑒𝑛 𝑆𝑒𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑑 𝑃𝑙𝑎𝑐𝑒 𝑀𝑒𝑑𝑎𝑙 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑤𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑜𝑤𝑒𝑑. (𝐴𝑝𝑝𝑎𝑟𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑙𝑦, 𝑛𝑜 𝑜𝑛𝑒’𝑠 𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑛 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑠𝑖𝑑𝑒𝑟𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑜𝑠𝑠𝑖𝑏𝑖𝑙𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑎 𝑐𝑖𝑠𝑔𝑒𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑟 𝑤𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑡𝑙𝑒𝑟 𝑐𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝑎𝑙𝑠𝑜 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑏𝑒𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑛 𝐾𝑒𝑒𝑙𝑒𝑟.)
So, when did they find out that Keeler's opponent was trans? If Hemant had not pointed out that Keeler was in blue, I would not have known which was which. It appears to me that the mother found out after the match, and her sense of entitlement pushed her to file the lawsuit. Of course, she went to the lying liars for Jesus to lie for her about the gender of her child's opponent.
It also sounds like Keeler herself may not have known. In fact, you probably don’t get to the last match of the tournament without having wrestled a few times earlier in the tournament and it seems like no one else had an issue or knew.
And it's pretty obvious that Keeler's parents (because let's be frank here, this is probably coming from her parents) want to jump on that Right Wing Grievance Gravy Train and ride it all the way into the sunset like Riley Gaines did.
Wingnut welfare gravy train is very lucrative.
For those who wonder why Mr. Omnipotent needs his minion's protection: It is because they do believe that their god is weak even though they won't admit it.
Some take aways from the following article.
The strong are vulnerable and need to be protected, while the weak are not as vulnerable and don't need much protection.
Liberals want to protect the weak, conservatives want to protect the strong.
People with the most power need to be protected, while the people with the least power don't need to be.
The weak are strong, and the strong are weak.
From the article itself:
“Those on the left view the marginalized and the environment as more vulnerable to harm, victimization, and mistreatment. Those on the right view the powerful and the divine as more vulnerable.”
Gods, the Musk's, the Bezos's, and the Ellison's are actually weak according to conservatives. Minorities of all stripes aren't.
I think that's the basic problem, conservatives are completely delusional. Their brains really are defective.
𝐍𝐞𝐰 𝐩𝐬𝐲𝐜𝐡𝐨𝐥𝐨𝐠𝐲 𝐫𝐞𝐬𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐜𝐡 𝐩𝐢𝐧𝐩𝐨𝐢𝐧𝐭𝐬 𝐚 𝐤𝐞𝐲 𝐟𝐚𝐜𝐭𝐨𝐫 𝐬𝐞𝐩𝐚𝐫𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐥𝐢𝐛𝐞𝐫𝐚𝐥 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐬𝐞𝐫𝐯𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐯𝐞 𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐚𝐥𝐢𝐭𝐲
https://www.psypost.org/new-psychology-research-pinpoints-a-key-factor-separating-liberal-and-conservative-morality/
I would LOVE to hear how to justify that someone richer, more powerful and influential is MORE vulnerable than someone for whom those qualities are a stranger to them.
Pre-CISE-lee!!!
Conservatives are outraged by reality.
I think it's more like Zorg said and I commented on elsewhere here: they want EVERYTHING to STAY THE SAME. They don't like change, they don't like gray scales, variability or nuance. They are far more comfortable with BLACK and WHITE and precious little in between.
And, of course, reality not only won't cater to them; it simply does not care. It just does its thing, to their ongoing consternation.
They want things to stay the same... based on a mental image of the way things were that never really was in the first place.
Yup. Those that are old enough think back to Father Knows Best and Ozzie & Harriet and think they're documentaries! 😖
That is because they are allergic to it, like a vampire to sunlight.
How dare the known universe not bend itself to their wishes.
I know, right?