I can dismiss people like Jim Burgen out of hand because I'm a reasonably rational human being who likes fact-based decision making. There is clearly nothing fact-based about what he has to say, and naturally he justifies it all by claiming Jesus feels the same way about things as he does. What truly horrifies me however, are the fools who willingly delegate their thinking to a man like him. Just about every problem on earth traces back to two root causes. Religion and the profit motive, and there is a high degree of overlap between the two.
Precisely. WHO is listening to this guy, and how much of their own judgment have they given over to him? I suspect the answer is none too comforting, indeed, not comforting in the slightest.
The sycophants keep it all supported. But even 30 years ago when I told people I was an atheist and talked about the impossibility of things in the bible, people would whisper to me, I don’t really believe either! We do have a high number of sick brained people in this country and religion is behind almost all of it. We need to make sure the apologists are flushed out of our legislature and never allow anyone espousing religious BS to sit on the Supreme Court. That should be an instant disqualification! They MUST be grounded in reality!
Even those who don’t believe will go along out of societal pressure to not stand out and become targets themselves. Herd behavior. Might not want to go where the flock leaders take you but resistance makes you stand out.
Oraxx- there is an extremely high correlation of religion to the root of all rot! The guilt, the lack of evidence, the demand for money, the abysmal dictatorship. Most children see through this by 13. But the deeply indoctrinated are mostly psychopaths of one sort or another.
To the flathead who delivered the sermon to Flatirons...
Why the hangup over LGBTQs? What possible effect can they have on your life or the lives any another hateful lying bigot like you? What are you all so very afraid of?
"I say you’re a traitor to your first allegiance, Jesus"
Jesus tells me you're acting like a bigoted asshole, Jim.
Jesus also tells me that if you want to warn kids about child predators, you have to discuss age-appropriate sex education with them, so they can recognize abuse and know what to do if it happens.
And he thinks megachurches are a systemic failure of white Evangelicalism in America promoting profits, power, and success over helping the needy.
Sick psychopathic minds, think alike. And this pastor who forgets that the Catholic church alone has made almost 4 billion in restitution. Restitution for…molestation & rape. How does a person become a traitor to a figment of the imagination? 😂
It is time to dismantle these welfare-queen churches and tax them out of existence. And then he should be personally charged with hate crimes and put in prison or a psych ward.
In other words, go on record as being a bigot or we're kicking you out of the club. Sound like a win to me! Being kicked out of the bigot club because you aren't a bigot is the first step toward recovering from religion.
Also, re the point about protecting kids, aren’t there a few more measures which could be enacted which would help children? Such as food stamps, increased availability of affordable housing, improved medical care and … let’s not forget gun restrictions. Remind me, please, how many children were killed via guns in the USA?
But no, they’d much rather hone in on the incredibly low low number of trans children who might want to play a sport.
Christ himself would be close to a paracetamol overdose, given the headaches he’d be having on account of his followers’ actions!!
Exactly! Providing parents with the means to raise their children comfortably, without requiring both parents to hold down multiple jobs just to make ends meet, will enable parents to be involved in their children’s lives, teach them about consent and bodily autonomy, allow children to feel comfortable with talking to the parents when something does happen, will keep the children from becoming targets of predators in the first place. The one thing a predator looks for in a target is if there is a strong parental relationship. A lot of folks confuse strong parents with being physically fit and strong, but what it is really is that the parents are involved in a nurturing manner so that they know what is happening with their kids. (That’s not to say the parents are at fault when something happens, just that their involvement helps avoid issues or helps to discover the issues sooner. The perpetrators are always at fault.) If we start working to build up our communities, provide social safety nets, set and maintain minimum standards of living, we as a society can protect children from the real predators out there. Then we won’t be worried that children are LGBTQ.
He should Google "Mugshots of pastor sex crimes" and then "Mugshots of trans sex crimes" and tell us which has more hits.
Also I challenge any one of these bigoted freaks to name a passage in the wholly babble that talks about transgender people and admonitions against them.
To coin a phrase: Holy Jumping Kimono! "A traitor to Jesus?" SERIOUSLY??? This hotshot Burgen seems to think that, the bigger the whopper he tells, the more likely his audience will buy it. At times I honestly wonder just where all this hatred comes from, especially considering that Jesus never said Word One about any element of the LGBTQ+ community and certainly not trans people.
And I wonder if Burgen himself understands where it all comes from ... and I'll bet he doesn't
Congregation won’t research their magic book themselves but let self serving assholes put their spin on it. Religion has always been the preferred method of control.
It’s all for one purpose which is to impose/maintain a toxic “masculine” hierarchical power order and structure in our society. AKA push their twisted worldview onto the rest of us. Somehow the “government” is the enemy and folks are told it can’t possibly work for them, yet they wish to BE or replace said government. It makes puuurfect sense 🐈⬛
Will this church denounce Trump? They can do it this Sunday. He is more than implicated, the cover up makes it even more obvious that he’s was more than just one of the Epstein customers, that he was involved in the trafficking process if not the actual boss(though I still contend that he was the boss and Epstein the patsy).
Protect children my ass. Sports haven’t become unfair for girls because a few transgender girls have participated. They aren’t less safe because occasionally a transgender girl might be in the locker room any more than if a lesbian shares a locker room. But the only way to police these situations is for adults to sexually abuse the girls through genital inspection to ensure the other athletes are the correct gender. That is unacceptable. That is the thing we should be protecting our children from.
Irreversible transgender surgeries are not performed on children, though there are irreversible surgeries surgeries performed on cis children, often boys getting mastectomies or girls getting breast enhancements and do not get me started on the male genital mutilation they excuse for religious purposes.
The very fact that they get to offer up these ridiculous proposals proves they aren’t being denied political speech and presence in our governance. All of this is Christian supremacy and influence on our government. We don’t need these protections, we don’t need their investigations and inspections. If we are going to prosecute and punish child traffickers, then let’s do it and let’s start with the sherbet pervert occupying the White House, and all his billionaire friends that are the monsters we fear, rather than focusing our attention on vulnerable minorities who are not harming children and are just trying to live their lives. Their strange shift on transgender issues is pretty telling, the timing especially.
You mention boys’ mastectomies: Apparently this is the most commonly carried out gender-affirming operation. Translating this into blunt-speak- it’s the removal of man boobs. Boys developing large-ish breasts and want them gone, because they hinder when they play sports. Or because they’re being bullied by others.
"We became more concerned with, "Am I being fed?" "
Didn't your Jesus make a point of feeding, clothing and housing the poor, Burgen? Did he not feed 5,000 people before they heard him preach? Seems people having enough to eat was important to him.
Burgen uses the name/threat of his imaginary lord to further his political agenda.
In addition to violating the commandment about bearing false witness, he is also violating the commandment against taking the name of his "Lord" in vain.
To protect children from godless pedophiles, churchlings voted for a goddess pedophile leader of a party full of pedophiles & pedophile enablers, and take their children to churche$ full of churchly pedophiles.
How long before we see Burgen's name linked to yet another story about a pastor being arrested for sex crimes involving children?
Depends on how quickly his IT team scrubs his computers and whether or not his victims gain some courage.
It might be a relatively safe to bet an offer to “hold my breath” waiting for it as it should not be long.
It would not surprise me …
#NotADragQueen
I can dismiss people like Jim Burgen out of hand because I'm a reasonably rational human being who likes fact-based decision making. There is clearly nothing fact-based about what he has to say, and naturally he justifies it all by claiming Jesus feels the same way about things as he does. What truly horrifies me however, are the fools who willingly delegate their thinking to a man like him. Just about every problem on earth traces back to two root causes. Religion and the profit motive, and there is a high degree of overlap between the two.
Precisely. WHO is listening to this guy, and how much of their own judgment have they given over to him? I suspect the answer is none too comforting, indeed, not comforting in the slightest.
The sycophants keep it all supported. But even 30 years ago when I told people I was an atheist and talked about the impossibility of things in the bible, people would whisper to me, I don’t really believe either! We do have a high number of sick brained people in this country and religion is behind almost all of it. We need to make sure the apologists are flushed out of our legislature and never allow anyone espousing religious BS to sit on the Supreme Court. That should be an instant disqualification! They MUST be grounded in reality!
Even those who don’t believe will go along out of societal pressure to not stand out and become targets themselves. Herd behavior. Might not want to go where the flock leaders take you but resistance makes you stand out.
WHO listens to him? Churchlings, Trumplings & MAGAsses, of course.
Sad to say, but very damned true.
Oraxx- there is an extremely high correlation of religion to the root of all rot! The guilt, the lack of evidence, the demand for money, the abysmal dictatorship. Most children see through this by 13. But the deeply indoctrinated are mostly psychopaths of one sort or another.
BINGO!!!
The money flows up; the control and fake promises flow down.
Unfortunately, churchlings, Trumplings & MAGAsses are not particularly reasonable, ain't they?
To the flathead who delivered the sermon to Flatirons...
Why the hangup over LGBTQs? What possible effect can they have on your life or the lives any another hateful lying bigot like you? What are you all so very afraid of?
Bet I know the answer.
Burgen is in serious need of a shovel-face interaction session.
I recommend a D-handled scoop shovel.
I have a steel coal shovel I use to break up ice in my driveway. Will that do? 😁
If it works for you, go for it. 😁
I like the portability of a scoop shovel, and the D-handle gives lots of options for grip. Throw on a high-vis vest and look like sanitation crew.
D-handle on mine as well. Ages ago, I had a cast iron coal shovel, but it rusted and I wore it out!
Another one who has an unhealthy obsession with other peoples genitals.
Always obsessed with sexual anything!
A defining characteristic of conservative Christianity.
"I say you’re a traitor to your first allegiance, Jesus"
Jesus tells me you're acting like a bigoted asshole, Jim.
Jesus also tells me that if you want to warn kids about child predators, you have to discuss age-appropriate sex education with them, so they can recognize abuse and know what to do if it happens.
And he thinks megachurches are a systemic failure of white Evangelicalism in America promoting profits, power, and success over helping the needy.
Someone should tell Jim that the calls are coming from inside the house.
Absolutely, your points about teaching children the concept of consent!
Sick psychopathic minds, think alike. And this pastor who forgets that the Catholic church alone has made almost 4 billion in restitution. Restitution for…molestation & rape. How does a person become a traitor to a figment of the imagination? 😂
It is time to dismantle these welfare-queen churches and tax them out of existence. And then he should be personally charged with hate crimes and put in prison or a psych ward.
𝐼𝑓 𝑦𝑜𝑢’𝑟𝑒 𝑎 𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑎𝑛, 𝑡𝑜 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑡𝑎𝑘𝑒 𝑢𝑝 𝑦𝑜𝑢𝑟 𝑠ℎ𝑖𝑒𝑙𝑑 𝑜𝑓 𝑓𝑎𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑦𝑜𝑢𝑟 𝑠𝑤𝑜𝑟𝑑 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑝𝑖𝑟𝑖𝑡, 𝑤ℎ𝑖𝑐ℎ 𝑖𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑤𝑜𝑟𝑑 𝑜𝑓 𝐺𝑜𝑑, 𝑜𝑓 𝑡𝑟𝑢𝑡ℎ, 𝑡𝑜 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑒𝑛𝑔𝑎𝑔𝑒 𝑖𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑠𝑝𝑖𝑟𝑖𝑡𝑢𝑎𝑙 𝑏𝑎𝑡𝑡𝑙𝑒 𝑡𝑜 𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑡𝑒𝑐𝑡 𝑘𝑖𝑑𝑠, 𝑡𝑜 𝑚𝑒, 𝑖𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑒𝑞𝑢𝑖𝑣𝑎𝑙𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑜𝑓 𝑚𝑢𝑡𝑖𝑛𝑦 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑑𝑒𝑠𝑒𝑟𝑡𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑦𝑜𝑢𝑟 𝑝𝑜𝑠𝑡.
In other words, go on record as being a bigot or we're kicking you out of the club. Sound like a win to me! Being kicked out of the bigot club because you aren't a bigot is the first step toward recovering from religion.
and idiots like him can't understand why their churches are closing left and right. Younger people aren't into the hate, fire and brimstone nuttery.
Also, re the point about protecting kids, aren’t there a few more measures which could be enacted which would help children? Such as food stamps, increased availability of affordable housing, improved medical care and … let’s not forget gun restrictions. Remind me, please, how many children were killed via guns in the USA?
But no, they’d much rather hone in on the incredibly low low number of trans children who might want to play a sport.
Christ himself would be close to a paracetamol overdose, given the headaches he’d be having on account of his followers’ actions!!
Exactly! Providing parents with the means to raise their children comfortably, without requiring both parents to hold down multiple jobs just to make ends meet, will enable parents to be involved in their children’s lives, teach them about consent and bodily autonomy, allow children to feel comfortable with talking to the parents when something does happen, will keep the children from becoming targets of predators in the first place. The one thing a predator looks for in a target is if there is a strong parental relationship. A lot of folks confuse strong parents with being physically fit and strong, but what it is really is that the parents are involved in a nurturing manner so that they know what is happening with their kids. (That’s not to say the parents are at fault when something happens, just that their involvement helps avoid issues or helps to discover the issues sooner. The perpetrators are always at fault.) If we start working to build up our communities, provide social safety nets, set and maintain minimum standards of living, we as a society can protect children from the real predators out there. Then we won’t be worried that children are LGBTQ.
He should Google "Mugshots of pastor sex crimes" and then "Mugshots of trans sex crimes" and tell us which has more hits.
Also I challenge any one of these bigoted freaks to name a passage in the wholly babble that talks about transgender people and admonitions against them.
To coin a phrase: Holy Jumping Kimono! "A traitor to Jesus?" SERIOUSLY??? This hotshot Burgen seems to think that, the bigger the whopper he tells, the more likely his audience will buy it. At times I honestly wonder just where all this hatred comes from, especially considering that Jesus never said Word One about any element of the LGBTQ+ community and certainly not trans people.
And I wonder if Burgen himself understands where it all comes from ... and I'll bet he doesn't
Congregation won’t research their magic book themselves but let self serving assholes put their spin on it. Religion has always been the preferred method of control.
It’s all for one purpose which is to impose/maintain a toxic “masculine” hierarchical power order and structure in our society. AKA push their twisted worldview onto the rest of us. Somehow the “government” is the enemy and folks are told it can’t possibly work for them, yet they wish to BE or replace said government. It makes puuurfect sense 🐈⬛
Hardly "puuurfect." No self-respecting cat would have anything to do with it! 😸
Every devilish cat I know has yet to forgive Christians for the mass cat killings of the Middle Ages.
The cats were already revenged by the uncontrolled increase of rats carrying the flees transferring the bubonic plague.
That’s what they get! 😹
Lying liar lies, violating the commandment against bearing false witness. He's a traitor to his religion.
Will this church denounce Trump? They can do it this Sunday. He is more than implicated, the cover up makes it even more obvious that he’s was more than just one of the Epstein customers, that he was involved in the trafficking process if not the actual boss(though I still contend that he was the boss and Epstein the patsy).
Protect children my ass. Sports haven’t become unfair for girls because a few transgender girls have participated. They aren’t less safe because occasionally a transgender girl might be in the locker room any more than if a lesbian shares a locker room. But the only way to police these situations is for adults to sexually abuse the girls through genital inspection to ensure the other athletes are the correct gender. That is unacceptable. That is the thing we should be protecting our children from.
Irreversible transgender surgeries are not performed on children, though there are irreversible surgeries surgeries performed on cis children, often boys getting mastectomies or girls getting breast enhancements and do not get me started on the male genital mutilation they excuse for religious purposes.
The very fact that they get to offer up these ridiculous proposals proves they aren’t being denied political speech and presence in our governance. All of this is Christian supremacy and influence on our government. We don’t need these protections, we don’t need their investigations and inspections. If we are going to prosecute and punish child traffickers, then let’s do it and let’s start with the sherbet pervert occupying the White House, and all his billionaire friends that are the monsters we fear, rather than focusing our attention on vulnerable minorities who are not harming children and are just trying to live their lives. Their strange shift on transgender issues is pretty telling, the timing especially.
You mention boys’ mastectomies: Apparently this is the most commonly carried out gender-affirming operation. Translating this into blunt-speak- it’s the removal of man boobs. Boys developing large-ish breasts and want them gone, because they hinder when they play sports. Or because they’re being bullied by others.
Amen. We already know they don’t care. I don’t have any fucks left to give to these people.
Really, we do need to talk more about this male genital mutilation at birth. I’ve been pissed off for them for ages now…
"We became more concerned with, "Am I being fed?" "
Didn't your Jesus make a point of feeding, clothing and housing the poor, Burgen? Did he not feed 5,000 people before they heard him preach? Seems people having enough to eat was important to him.
2 Thesselonians 3:10 "No work, no eats"
That's Paul territory, not Jeebus. :)
Amen 🙌
Burgen uses the name/threat of his imaginary lord to further his political agenda.
In addition to violating the commandment about bearing false witness, he is also violating the commandment against taking the name of his "Lord" in vain.
Predictions From the Infinite:
Very soon, in the daily news, we shall see Rev. Burgen's name linked with kiddie porn or pedophile sexual abuse. GUARANTEED.
And I shall also then express my disdain in the usual way --
" Once AGAIN, yet ANOTHER pedophile is caught. Is the pedophile ___?
A- Religiou$
B- REPUBLIKAN
C-Both".
To protect children from godless pedophiles, churchlings voted for a goddess pedophile leader of a party full of pedophiles & pedophile enablers, and take their children to churche$ full of churchly pedophiles.