Debatable. But once again, if God is real, They doesn't need the State to 'help' Them reach people.
This is a God who supposedly spoke the universe into existence, who did the ten plagues, who resurrected dead people, who came back from the dead themselves.
Surely, this same God can reach the hearts of a child or teen in need and encourage them without the school board's help, right?
It all depends on which one of the thousands of gods of which you speak. If you refer to the god of Abraham, indeed we do have scientific evidence that that god does not exist. Proof can be found in FFRF's reference to Paul Boyer's Nobel Prize (the fool you elected as your incoming President calls it a Noble Prize) in which he and his two co-Nobelists provided proof that in order to exist any entity (that would include a god) requires sustenance. Christiandam's self-anointed spokesman John Lennox cites the Bible as claiming multiple times that God is eternal, which means eons before the existence of the universe, during which time nothing existed except dark matter, from which no sustenance could be derived.
Alicia: "If space contained but a single entity the entity would not be there. There would be nothing for it to be there for." - Cormac McCarthy, 'Stella Maris'
Don't knock the Noble Prize. My daughter won it after her final exams in Med School. It was awarded annually by a Mr Noble, at her UK university and it was worth the princely sum of £70. She shared it with another student, so they got £35 each. Her boyfriend, a post-grad physics student, proposed that week and, announcing it on socia media, said he'd always wanted to marry a Noble prizewinner - and some congratulated him and asked when the award ceremony would be happening in Oslo.
Their concerns centered around potential legal problems, and not what could result of giving untrained 'chaplains' access to kids. When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Likewise, conservative Christians see their religion as the answer to every problem, the actual history be damned.
Nothing fails like thoughts and prayers. If their god actually existed he or she would be in a perpetual facepalm over having wasted all that time and exquisite evolutionary advance to give these hairless apes a gigantic frontal lobe only to have them mewling to him or her to solve all their problems instead of putting in the work themselves.
Count on some pe**s to get through the useless vetting of the churches. I'll bet some churches will just hand certificates out like candy on Halloween.
Rationality wouldn't be supporting this bullshit in the first place. This is just CYA because they don't give a damn what happens to other people's children.
Good for Osceola and good for the Marion counties not allowing "Christian chaplans" into their schools. I applaud their decision. And if anybody can become a " chaplan" think of all the pedophiles just waiting to get into the schools.
My psychiatrist is a Christian. He has crosses on his wall, and a display with little sheets to read the bible in 3 years. But in 12+ years he has never suggested Jesus would help with depression or being LGBT. This is what everyone should expect from people working in the mental health field. Professionalism and science-based treatment.
I was suffering from depression and suicidal ideation for 14 years before I knew I was gay. (It’s not just a river in Egypt) Bipolar is a bitch, although hypomaniac phases are fun if hard on the pocketbook.
My therapist is a Christian as well, and in 15 years seeing her she's never suggested prayer or church as a solution to my issues. On the contrary, she understands that those suggestions aren't helpful and she doesn't do anything to contradict my Atheist beliefs, although occasionally we will discuss her faith and my lack thereof, but she knows very well what her duties are as a therapist. I love her for this, and for many other reasons.
"That is not a religion. That is not qualifying to be able to participate in this."
Look again, DeSanitarium. TST is very much a religion. Don't believe me? Contact the IRS on the legal, tax-exempt status of TST. In the meantime? Shut your ignorant piehole. You do not get to decide what is and isn't a religion in this country, you arrogant prick.
I'd like to know which of over 45,000 different sects of his religion he considers to be the "true" one. They can't all be right. That makes 99.99% of Christians heretics.
We can all see where this was leading. Local news headline: "School Chaplain Accused of Sexual Assault Against Student". We've seen too many instances where predatory pastors or youth ministers abuse their positions to prey on vulnerable young people - in the name of the lawd.
It would be nice if these districts acted strictly in the interests of their student populations by recognizing and respecting the diversity of opinion in matters of religion, but if it took the threat of legal action and the financial burden that comes with it, I'll take the win.
Yeah, I think so, too. It's a shame that common decency and respect aren't enough to prevent crap like this from being enacted into law, but if fear of financial consequences stop it, then I'm OK with that. The bottom line is that it needs to be stopped.
It's the first thing tossed in the trash once they get that permission slip from gawd to be the flaming dumpster fire assholes they always wanted to be.
““It’s clear the community wants this, so it’s clear you resist what the community wants,” he directed toward the dais he sat on for the last four years. “This program is necessary. God is not a lie.“
Some in the community want this, not the entire community. Even if there aren’t folks there to speak against the chaplains. That is a result of targeted marketing. Churches intent on getting their feet in the doors of public schools tell their congregations to rally for the program. But folks who aren’t part of those congregations aren’t even likely to know about the program or that the school board is even considering it. So no, the community doesn’t want this.
This program is not necessary. This program already exists in the myriad churches in the county and apparently those most likely to use it aren’t. So it seems that providing chaplains isn’t necessary at all. This program in the public schools is an attempt to force chaplains onto people who do not want it, and therefore violate their constitutional rights.
God is a con, which falls under the category of lie. So you’re wrong again. Please, sit down and get your nose out of other people’s business, you are out of touch and do not know what you’re doing.
I suspect that what the community of fundie Christians want is "when my kid has a problem, the school should provide them with a fully degreed and accredited counselor, top of the line, spare no expense. When your kid has a problem, he clearly needs more Jesus in his life."
The protestant sect I was born into held that psychology was a made-up science at best, and a tool of the devil at worst, cuz EVERYBODY knew that mental illness was the result of "sin in the world, and people not being right with the Lord."
Cynic time. While it's good that these schools won't have chaplains in them, this it won't stop the conservative state legislature from taking accredited counselors *out* of them. Which was likely part of the purpose of the legislation - "oh, you now have access to free volunteers, so we can cut student social services from your budget."
Unfortunately, it's not the end of story, because the people who want to force the Bible down everyone's throat are the people who will soon have unlimited governmental power.
"Former Governor Larry Hogan (R) of Maryland indignantly posted a video of what he thought was a drone swarm on Twitter and insisted that the federal government was not doing enough to protect citizens from this menace.
But his “drone swarm” was the constellation Orion, which has three stars in the hunter’s belt, conveniently in formation. "
[God is not a lie.]
Debatable. But once again, if God is real, They doesn't need the State to 'help' Them reach people.
This is a God who supposedly spoke the universe into existence, who did the ten plagues, who resurrected dead people, who came back from the dead themselves.
Surely, this same God can reach the hearts of a child or teen in need and encourage them without the school board's help, right?
Where is your faith, Christian?
"if God is real"
It all depends on which one of the thousands of gods of which you speak. If you refer to the god of Abraham, indeed we do have scientific evidence that that god does not exist. Proof can be found in FFRF's reference to Paul Boyer's Nobel Prize (the fool you elected as your incoming President calls it a Noble Prize) in which he and his two co-Nobelists provided proof that in order to exist any entity (that would include a god) requires sustenance. Christiandam's self-anointed spokesman John Lennox cites the Bible as claiming multiple times that God is eternal, which means eons before the existence of the universe, during which time nothing existed except dark matter, from which no sustenance could be derived.
Alicia: "If space contained but a single entity the entity would not be there. There would be nothing for it to be there for." - Cormac McCarthy, 'Stella Maris'
Don't knock the Noble Prize. My daughter won it after her final exams in Med School. It was awarded annually by a Mr Noble, at her UK university and it was worth the princely sum of £70. She shared it with another student, so they got £35 each. Her boyfriend, a post-grad physics student, proposed that week and, announcing it on socia media, said he'd always wanted to marry a Noble prizewinner - and some congratulated him and asked when the award ceremony would be happening in Oslo.
It's in money and power.
Their concerns centered around potential legal problems, and not what could result of giving untrained 'chaplains' access to kids. When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Likewise, conservative Christians see their religion as the answer to every problem, the actual history be damned.
Nothing fails like thoughts and prayers. If their god actually existed he or she would be in a perpetual facepalm over having wasted all that time and exquisite evolutionary advance to give these hairless apes a gigantic frontal lobe only to have them mewling to him or her to solve all their problems instead of putting in the work themselves.
Nothing.
Brilliantly said. Also she'd be pissed they insist on trashing the planet, trying to get her to come back like some intergalactic house-keeper!
As if even god doesn't get out of doing housework. Nah-uh.
Oh, so THAT'S why God needs a starship.
They detest children. Always have. Just ask the Perls
Legal concerns aside a good decision to stop chaplains from coming into public schools to prey on the students.
Count on some pe**s to get through the useless vetting of the churches. I'll bet some churches will just hand certificates out like candy on Halloween.
It’s been proven that the church shuffles the pedophiles around to avoid getting caught.
So there is an extremely high chance whoever they bring through is one.
They have honed this strategy into a fine art.
That's what all those Trunk or Treats are for.
In a similar law poultry farms will be allowed to replace payed staff by volunteer foxes to guard the chickens.
^THIS ! ! !^
""You will harm our students by denying this. Here is something good for our population, and you deny it.""
Uh huh. So why am I thinking that these christian chaplains could equate to "volunteer youth minister 2.0?"
Oh, right. Because of this...
"E. The parent shall sign a waiver releasing the school district from liability for any and all actions of the School Chaplain."
It's like they already know what that "something good for our population" has potential for abuse, and are trying to cover their proactive asses!
It's a Good Thing to see a bit of rationality from school boards in Florida!
Rationality wouldn't be supporting this bullshit in the first place. This is just CYA because they don't give a damn what happens to other people's children.
Ah, but what they DO care about is lawsuits!
Good for Osceola and good for the Marion counties not allowing "Christian chaplans" into their schools. I applaud their decision. And if anybody can become a " chaplan" think of all the pedophiles just waiting to get into the schools.
My psychiatrist is a Christian. He has crosses on his wall, and a display with little sheets to read the bible in 3 years. But in 12+ years he has never suggested Jesus would help with depression or being LGBT. This is what everyone should expect from people working in the mental health field. Professionalism and science-based treatment.
Hatred from the trio of assholes drove this queer to drink, depression and suicide. Fuck 'em with barbed wire dildos.
I was suffering from depression and suicidal ideation for 14 years before I knew I was gay. (It’s not just a river in Egypt) Bipolar is a bitch, although hypomaniac phases are fun if hard on the pocketbook.
My therapist is a Christian as well, and in 15 years seeing her she's never suggested prayer or church as a solution to my issues. On the contrary, she understands that those suggestions aren't helpful and she doesn't do anything to contradict my Atheist beliefs, although occasionally we will discuss her faith and my lack thereof, but she knows very well what her duties are as a therapist. I love her for this, and for many other reasons.
"Legal concerns". Christianese for "We really want to do this but we don't want to get sued".
"That is not a religion. That is not qualifying to be able to participate in this."
Look again, DeSanitarium. TST is very much a religion. Don't believe me? Contact the IRS on the legal, tax-exempt status of TST. In the meantime? Shut your ignorant piehole. You do not get to decide what is and isn't a religion in this country, you arrogant prick.
You don't get to pick and choose, deSatan.
I'd like to know which of over 45,000 different sects of his religion he considers to be the "true" one. They can't all be right. That makes 99.99% of Christians heretics.
99,99% of all people will end up in hell
I hope not. I can’t stand at least 74 million of them.
Oh, but he does. And he gets away with it.
Oh he knows. He doesn't care about the legal fallout or local problems he causes. It's just conservative optics.
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I would pay til it hurt to see Jesus drop kick that shitty little prick through the goalposts of life.
Alas, Jesus ain't real but the little tin-plated jerkoff is.
Maybe Lachesis will do it.
Matt Gaetz wanted this chaplain gig.
I'll bet he did.
Wonder if the Stand Your Ground law would hold if he got within 20 feet of my kid and I shot his sorry ass?
Nope. Only white cis-het men who worship Republikkkan Jesus and kill the "right" kind of people get that perk.
We can all see where this was leading. Local news headline: "School Chaplain Accused of Sexual Assault Against Student". We've seen too many instances where predatory pastors or youth ministers abuse their positions to prey on vulnerable young people - in the name of the lawd.
It would be nice if these districts acted strictly in the interests of their student populations by recognizing and respecting the diversity of opinion in matters of religion, but if it took the threat of legal action and the financial burden that comes with it, I'll take the win.
I’m afraid it’s always going to come down to the threat of getting sued as the catalyst until religion goes by the wayside.
Yeah, I think so, too. It's a shame that common decency and respect aren't enough to prevent crap like this from being enacted into law, but if fear of financial consequences stop it, then I'm OK with that. The bottom line is that it needs to be stopped.
Yes, you can't make them care about the harm they do in the name of religion
Hitch was right when he said religion ruins everything - including basic human decency.
It's the first thing tossed in the trash once they get that permission slip from gawd to be the flaming dumpster fire assholes they always wanted to be.
Just goes to show the 'depth' of their deeply-held convictions, eh?
““It’s clear the community wants this, so it’s clear you resist what the community wants,” he directed toward the dais he sat on for the last four years. “This program is necessary. God is not a lie.“
Some in the community want this, not the entire community. Even if there aren’t folks there to speak against the chaplains. That is a result of targeted marketing. Churches intent on getting their feet in the doors of public schools tell their congregations to rally for the program. But folks who aren’t part of those congregations aren’t even likely to know about the program or that the school board is even considering it. So no, the community doesn’t want this.
This program is not necessary. This program already exists in the myriad churches in the county and apparently those most likely to use it aren’t. So it seems that providing chaplains isn’t necessary at all. This program in the public schools is an attempt to force chaplains onto people who do not want it, and therefore violate their constitutional rights.
God is a con, which falls under the category of lie. So you’re wrong again. Please, sit down and get your nose out of other people’s business, you are out of touch and do not know what you’re doing.
I suspect that what the community of fundie Christians want is "when my kid has a problem, the school should provide them with a fully degreed and accredited counselor, top of the line, spare no expense. When your kid has a problem, he clearly needs more Jesus in his life."
The protestant sect I was born into held that psychology was a made-up science at best, and a tool of the devil at worst, cuz EVERYBODY knew that mental illness was the result of "sin in the world, and people not being right with the Lord."
That is not just a quote, that is their motto.
Their gods are lies. NO god has ever been proved. Thousands have been claimed to exist, but none proven.
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Cynic time. While it's good that these schools won't have chaplains in them, this it won't stop the conservative state legislature from taking accredited counselors *out* of them. Which was likely part of the purpose of the legislation - "oh, you now have access to free volunteers, so we can cut student social services from your budget."
"Free volunteers." Are any of those volunteers going to be vetted and background checked before they get anywhere near children?
I think we all know the answer to that one.
Rligious superstition vs women.
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As long as the person reading that story to kids isn’t a drag queen, it’s all good.
Public schools are not your church. If you want your kid to learn the Bible, then take them to Sunday school.
End of story.
Unfortunately, it's not the end of story, because the people who want to force the Bible down everyone's throat are the people who will soon have unlimited governmental power.
"Former Governor Larry Hogan (R) of Maryland indignantly posted a video of what he thought was a drone swarm on Twitter and insisted that the federal government was not doing enough to protect citizens from this menace.
But his “drone swarm” was the constellation Orion, which has three stars in the hunter’s belt, conveniently in formation. "
Republican of course.
ICOs.
Identified Celestial Objects.
I've seen the same three drones in Iowa*. They must be fast.
*Not today, it's foggy.
Go to his wikipage and scroll down to Issues. Pretty much what you'd expect.
And before issues, there seemed to be some repeated financial shenanigans of one sort or another. Also typical.
So glad he lost his Senate race.
He needs either a prison cell or a padded cell.
Or both.
Maybe his brother, Hulk, can challenge him to a wrestling match./s
Dude has as much knowledge of astronomy as hair on his head.