Wilberforce Academy would be a taxpayer-funded Christian charter school. Church/state separation groups now want to be directly involved in the legal battle.
It isn’t limited to Christianity. The overwhelming desire to indoctrinate children before they’ve reached the age of reason all across the religious spectrum speaks directly to just how little confidence religious leaders have in the ideas they’re pushing. Why is it ever okay to present ideas to children as facts, an educated adult would almost certainly reject if hearing them for the first time? There is the additional issue of there being no consistency what-so-ever in the messages those children are being taught. Nothing divides people more effectively and unnecessarily than religion. I hope this school never sees a penny of public money.
I was questioning individual parents' rights to inflict religion on their kids, which is arguably more effective than schooling on transferring faith to new generations.
This is a topic on which the regulars here have been around and around on for ages. Religious indoctrination is a generational thing, passed down from parent to child, for centuries. The only thing that breaks the chain is when someone wakes up to the truth: that religion has more problems than can be enumerated here.
It's a very old and very sad situation, but slowly but surely, it's being broken.
For the most part, the religions are breaking them themselves. How I was able to get away was my parents believed, went to church, trusted the church and then were let down, the church became demanding and so my parents pulled away. They didn’t stop believing, but they did stop prioritizing attending services, moving from the weekly services to all the holiday services, then to only the two main holidays to whenever they were around my grandparents. Despite not attending church in over a decade they wanted me to get married in a Catholic Church. I refused but they didn’t argue. I never grew up in the habit of attending so when my kids came along they never went. I realized my atheism when my kids were old enough to understand what it was, but I don’t actually talk to them too much about it. I don’t even know if they call themselves atheist now, one is 22 and the other 17, but I do know that when religion does come up they aren’t all that impressed with its claims.
So what I’m saying is, it took a church to let down my parents and in less than two generations, we have completely left religion. Nowadays my mother is even reconsidering her own belief, even in the face of her own demise. The internet is helping. Sunlight is a great disinfectant, what we see religions doing in real time on the internet is actually doing a lot of the work. But it’s their actions, we just get to see them.
It's being broken, one realization at a time. It's being broken by people who research religion on the internet and who come to realize the absurdities that religion promotes and depends upon. The evidence is in the decrease of church attendance and people who represent themselves as religious and by the increase in that category of people known as the nones.
I know that book! They don't want their students to read the whole thing, just the bits they cherry pick. Ezekiel 23:20 certainly won't be covered in class...
I'd still like to know how a person can have a "personal relationship" with either
a) A figment of the imagination
b) A man who has been dead for 2 millennia
If the former, we're into Harvey the Rabbit territory. If the latter, then such a being is long past engaging in a personal relationship with anyone or anything.
“National secularist groups like the Freedom from Religion Foundation, Americans United for the Separation of Church and State, and the American Civil Liberties Union are committed to bringing legals challenges to any religious charter school that gets approved or opens its doors. When Oklahoma approved a religious charter school, for instance, these organizations sued the following month alleging violations of the Establishment Clause… Without judicial confirmation of its rights, no religious charter school can safely apply, open, or operate without an inevitable lawsuit by outside groups or a cutoff of funding by the State.”
So, you didn’t learn the lesson from Oklahoma. That religious charter schools are unconstitutional. There’s no legal right for you to do what you are doing. You can’t safely apply, open, or operate your school as a public school. And if you cannot learn this simple lesson, then how will you be able to teach children? Especially since you want to focus on civics. (Don’t think I don’t know what you are trying to do, not learning the lesson that your religious public charter school is unconstitutional but you want to focus on civics in your unconstitutional school means that you want to knowingly teach misinformation to forward your unconstitutional agenda and force others to align with your religious beliefs. You are not being sneaky, we see you.)
Atheists should mind their own business more often. Forcing Christian kids to go to public schools and be taught anti-Christian bigotry will only make more you hated.
First of all, Christians should take your advice. Mind your own business and stop trying to convert others.
Second, you fucking assholes keep pushing your shitty beliefs and harmful vitriol on us, we only really ever respond to your abuses. And it is all abuse. So, atheists are minding our business it’s you who is overstepping.
Third, public schools are not the only option, they’re just the only option that the government funds. If you are so worried about the curriculum at public schools, then put your kids in Christian private schools or homeschool. Leave the rest of us alone. Children are only required to get an education, they’re aren’t forced into public schools.
Fourth, the vast majority of educators in the USA are Christian of some sort or another, that includes everyone from the first year teacher, to the janitorial staff, to the principal to the school board members and superintendents. If public school was so anti-Christian, you would think some of these people would have said something about it. In fact, as has been mentioned multiple times, the curriculum is super easy on Christianity and its role in the oppressive regimes throughout history. Downplaying the roles it had in the events, whitewashing the effects of the atrocities, even ignoring Christianity altogether for many genocides and murders. Even playing up Christianity on the side of the resistance to the oppressive rulers. Single priests who rebelled against tyranny are Christianity’s heroes, while ignoring the support from the institutional church for the oppression. The Vatican is hoarding wealth, art, and riches stolen during the Holocaust . How do you think they got it? Did the Jewish people bequeath it to them? No, they took it as an arm of the Nazi regime, or it was given to them by the Nazis as hush money, to pay for support and keep the church from stepping in. Schools don’t teach about this, we learn about it by being curious and searching for ourselves.
And finally, most importantly, so importantly that you absolutely need to understand from the bottom of my heart and completely, I. Do. Not. Want. To. Be. Liked. By. Hateful. Bootlicking. Violent. Cowardly. Fucking. Christians.
Because, here’s the deal, you hate us no matter what. You hate us if we are loud, if we are quiet, if we speak out against the horrible things you do, if we comply with your demands. You hate us just for existing. By existing, we threaten your fragile sense of security in your faith, we don’t believe and you question why that is and you begin to question why you believe if others don’t, so you lash out. It causes dissonance and you don’t like the way that feels, so you hate us for existing and making you feel bad. Remember this, We.Dont.Fucking.Care. Die mad about it.
You are hated by pretty much all religious groups. And the reason for it is the terror you unleashed on religious people whenever you got the power. See, for example, China and USSR.
Okay, I see I was unclear, I will try again with crayons.
I prefer to be hated by fetid pieces of shit.
I know, not kindergarten level reading, but damn, you should be able to understand. I don’t care.
Christians murdered and hated atheists millennia before USSR and China committed their (religious backed) atrocities. It’s the dissonance.
So by your logic, Christians are allowed to hate and commit violence against atheists because of two instances of oppression supposedly done by two atheist dictators, but atheists can’t even mention the thousands and thousands of atrocities committed by, in the name of, institutionally and individually, Christianity. That would be persecution. Oh no, your child might learn the real history of your religion and it might paint you in a bad light.
You are a perfect example of Christians not minding their own business. You came here. You got your feelings hurt. You claim we’re being the bad guys. You chose this. We do not want you here, your opinion has no value to us, and you aren’t bringing anything of value to the conversation. And now you are wishing us violence and hatred. We were minding our own business. You’re the one sticking their appendages where they don’t belong.
Both Communist countries – dictatorships. Dictators don't like any competition religious or not. Atheists were victims of the terror just as much as religious people. I'm afraid you're showing your ignorance of history here. But at least I guess you know enough not to mention Nazi Germany – props for that.
OMG, the how did the Vatican get all that loot? I mean you didn’t address any of my arguments, just came out to scream about hating atheists, then you turn around and show your ass with this comment about “atheist lies that Hitler was was an agent of the Pope.” Once more, if the Catholic Church and Hitler were not working together, how did the Vatican get all the money, art, and jewels that was stolen from the Jewish people?
Hitler was supported by Christians! Homosexuals and atheists also died in the concentration camps! The Nazis were Christian, and they even stated they were doing gods work!
Again you show your ignorance of history. Hitler's main support came from the countryside where people were heavily Christian. I can give you a bibliography if you like?
Lie, about the inquisition, burning witches at the stake, religious wars between catholic and Protestants, residential schools, etc, what lies are you referring to too, please be specific?
I taught in public schools for 25 years, And never came across any "anti-Christian bigotry." What do you mean by that? Teaching evolution? That's just science. Give us some examples as you happen to be here.
A conservative Christian in the current sociopolitical situation in this country should take 𝘧𝘢𝘳 more care lecturing 𝘭𝘪𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘺 𝘢𝘯𝘺𝘰𝘯𝘦 𝘦𝘭𝘴𝘦 about minding their own business.
Ah, but what kind of Christianity? Is it True Christianity or one of the many false ones? We Real Christians should not be forced to support Woke Fake Christians. (sotto voce) or mooslims or catlicks.
I say let each of the 45,000 competing xtian sects send one one representative to a pay-per-view days-long Battle Royale. The last one standing in the ring gets the TRUE CHRISTIAN title belt.
Charter schools exist only to bleed taxpayer funds away from public schools and fill the pockets of grifters who want to shove their religion down our throats.
OT: I had Roquefort cheese today for the first time in my life. And now I’m having a great big sad. It was the most delicious cheese I’ve ever had and I’m bemoaning the decades I wasted not eating it.
It is probably telling that my only awareness of the stuff was from a game where almost every character was named after a food or beverage: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hi-Fi_Rush
(One of the bosses was named Roquefort. He was a werewolf. How that ties into cheese, I couldn't say, but the game was amazing.)
It's weird – none of the things they charged him with, or allegedly charged him with are actual crimes. I'm not even sure that they could get them for trespass right? Aren't churches supposed to be open to all?
Not much today. These people wear me out. Andwe’re moving.
“ Wilberforce exists so that students can come to a saving faith in Jesus Christ, grow in a personal relationship with Him, and be equipped to make Him known wherever God leads them.”
That’s what your church is for. Perhaps you should pray for your own money, rather use ether people’s money to promote your religion. Because, that Does sound an awful lot like that there soshulizm the far right is always complaining about.
But the giveaway is the last phrase. God needs salespeople. And they want the public treasury to pay for it. But their god who is everywhere wants money, and will not provide it.
They have been trying to conflate "secular" and "anti-Christian" for decades, at least since they have been wrongly interpreting 𝘌𝘯𝘨𝘦𝘭 𝘷 𝘝𝘪𝘵𝘢𝘭𝘦 as "kicking God out of schools" instead of eliminating mandatory school sponsored prayer.
Atheists complain about school choice because they won't be able to teach anti-Christian lies, like the Dark Ages libel. Have your own children instead of trying to control other people's.
Which anti christian lies? The support for slavery?the 1900 years of official anti-semitism that led to the man with the funny mustache? The religious wars? The centuries of child molestation/
Oh! You must mean the failure of your “god” to actuallymake his message clear and provide evidence that he/she/they/it exist.
That’s a bizarre comment and conclusion. I attended a secular public school and didn’t learn any “anti-Christian” lies like the Dark Ages libel. Do you live in the US?
The Religious Right formed in the late 1970s, driven by conservative strategists like Paul Weyrich who mobilized evangelical leaders such as Jerry Falwell in response to IRS threats against the tax-exempt status of segregated Christian schools.
Your source fails. It only mentions that 𝘀𝗼𝗺𝗲 call it the Dark Ages, and lists the reason. In fact, your source does not blame the period on Christianity, but gives Christianity as the main reason people then still had hope for the future. I might have to start using simpler language with you, as you appear to have trouble with 6th grade level reading comprehension.
They invoke all the Dark Ages tropes and don't mention any technological or scientific achievements that occurred in the Middle Ages, unlike what they do for other civilizations. Then, they always reinforce the notion that people lived terribly even though they weren't particularly poor when compared with other pre-modern civilizations.
"don't mention any technological or scientific achievements that occurred in the Middle Ages"
Mostly built on the back of material from Persian and Arabic sources.
If you read Gerard of Cremona, he complained bitterly about the fact that there was little or no material available in Euroope, hence his comment about "the poverty of the Latins".
So, because an article for sixth graders that gives a simplified general overview of the middle ages doesn't put your "the middle ages had great scientific advancement because Christians are always doing wonderful things unlike those evil atheists who never do good things" spin, it must be anti-Christian.
I agree that Medieval cathedrals are quite impressive engineering-wise, beautiful too. The arched window design to let the light in. But otherwise, the complete rejection of nature, the natural, and science didn’t pan out so well for them.
I’m sorry, I’m not understanding what point you are trying to make? If you are stating that it’s a class war, I’m fully aware of that and our owners are too. See, I wasn’t indoctrinated in my secular public school to think authoritarianism means safety with the fear of gOd behind it.
Atheists complain about so-called school choice because it both disadvantages poor students and funnels public money directly to religious indoctrination. Would YOU want your tax dollars finding a Satanist school?
Money which comes from the state will sooner or later come with strings which will compromise religious schools. That's why religious schools ought to be paid for by religious people. What Dark Age libel are you referring to?
What a paradox... all those empty rows at the back, but... I just dunno if I've 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳 gone into a theater horny enough that I could have the opposite of porn playing in the background and still be in the mood.
"Hello police, someone broke into my car. No, they didn't take anything but they left two tickets for Melania on my driver's seat. I want to report a hate crime."
It isn’t limited to Christianity. The overwhelming desire to indoctrinate children before they’ve reached the age of reason all across the religious spectrum speaks directly to just how little confidence religious leaders have in the ideas they’re pushing. Why is it ever okay to present ideas to children as facts, an educated adult would almost certainly reject if hearing them for the first time? There is the additional issue of there being no consistency what-so-ever in the messages those children are being taught. Nothing divides people more effectively and unnecessarily than religion. I hope this school never sees a penny of public money.
How can the right of parents to religiously indoctrinate their own children be challenged in a democratic society? It is a hard problem.
Oh, hell, parents in the US do it all the time. The question is: do they get public funds for their indoctrination programs?
The short answer is no. The longer answer is 𝗛𝗘𝗟𝗟, 𝗡𝗢.
I was questioning individual parents' rights to inflict religion on their kids, which is arguably more effective than schooling on transferring faith to new generations.
This is a topic on which the regulars here have been around and around on for ages. Religious indoctrination is a generational thing, passed down from parent to child, for centuries. The only thing that breaks the chain is when someone wakes up to the truth: that religion has more problems than can be enumerated here.
It's a very old and very sad situation, but slowly but surely, it's being broken.
How is it being broken, and are there ways to increase it without repressive and undemocratic measures?
For the most part, the religions are breaking them themselves. How I was able to get away was my parents believed, went to church, trusted the church and then were let down, the church became demanding and so my parents pulled away. They didn’t stop believing, but they did stop prioritizing attending services, moving from the weekly services to all the holiday services, then to only the two main holidays to whenever they were around my grandparents. Despite not attending church in over a decade they wanted me to get married in a Catholic Church. I refused but they didn’t argue. I never grew up in the habit of attending so when my kids came along they never went. I realized my atheism when my kids were old enough to understand what it was, but I don’t actually talk to them too much about it. I don’t even know if they call themselves atheist now, one is 22 and the other 17, but I do know that when religion does come up they aren’t all that impressed with its claims.
So what I’m saying is, it took a church to let down my parents and in less than two generations, we have completely left religion. Nowadays my mother is even reconsidering her own belief, even in the face of her own demise. The internet is helping. Sunlight is a great disinfectant, what we see religions doing in real time on the internet is actually doing a lot of the work. But it’s their actions, we just get to see them.
It's being broken, one realization at a time. It's being broken by people who research religion on the internet and who come to realize the absurdities that religion promotes and depends upon. The evidence is in the decrease of church attendance and people who represent themselves as religious and by the increase in that category of people known as the nones.
IMHO, the right can't be challenged, but the societal assumption that it's the only way, the best way, or the default way can.
If, every generation, a few % of parents realize "Wait a sec, I *don't* have to traumatize my kids like I was traumatized?!?", things improve.
Can we review the curriculum? Can we express our opinions at board/management meetings? Can we vote out leadership?
No? Then no tax dollars for you.
I've reviewed the curriculum. It's a book of fairy tales. ; )
A book of FAIRY TALES?!? Who woulda thunk it? [Answer: who around here WOULDN'T HAVE?]
I know that book! They don't want their students to read the whole thing, just the bits they cherry pick. Ezekiel 23:20 certainly won't be covered in class...
Or Psalms 137:9. Or Hosea 13:16.
Neither will Ezekiel 20:25-26. Or Judges 19:22-29, and there are LOTS of others.
That book … titled BuyBull
… written by UNKNOWN A/SOULS
… published by SH1T INC.
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I'd still like to know how a person can have a "personal relationship" with either
a) A figment of the imagination
b) A man who has been dead for 2 millennia
If the former, we're into Harvey the Rabbit territory. If the latter, then such a being is long past engaging in a personal relationship with anyone or anything.
Humans have an amazing talent when it comes to fooling themselves, because there is no one easier to fool than one's self.
Are you asserting that Ryan Reynolds is not my boyfriend?
How can he be yours when he’s mine? Ryan likes to sleep around. :)
You have an AI ryan. I havevthe real one.
At least Harvey was real to Jimmy Stewart. They even had portraiture done, if I recall!
Want to play with taxpayer dollars, Wilberforce? It's very simple: Pay your taxes like your bible tell you to and why.
No pay? Then no play.
I'd offer them thoughts and prayers if I prayed or gave a damn about them.
“National secularist groups like the Freedom from Religion Foundation, Americans United for the Separation of Church and State, and the American Civil Liberties Union are committed to bringing legals challenges to any religious charter school that gets approved or opens its doors. When Oklahoma approved a religious charter school, for instance, these organizations sued the following month alleging violations of the Establishment Clause… Without judicial confirmation of its rights, no religious charter school can safely apply, open, or operate without an inevitable lawsuit by outside groups or a cutoff of funding by the State.”
So, you didn’t learn the lesson from Oklahoma. That religious charter schools are unconstitutional. There’s no legal right for you to do what you are doing. You can’t safely apply, open, or operate your school as a public school. And if you cannot learn this simple lesson, then how will you be able to teach children? Especially since you want to focus on civics. (Don’t think I don’t know what you are trying to do, not learning the lesson that your religious public charter school is unconstitutional but you want to focus on civics in your unconstitutional school means that you want to knowingly teach misinformation to forward your unconstitutional agenda and force others to align with your religious beliefs. You are not being sneaky, we see you.)
Atheists should mind their own business more often. Forcing Christian kids to go to public schools and be taught anti-Christian bigotry will only make more you hated.
First of all, Christians should take your advice. Mind your own business and stop trying to convert others.
Second, you fucking assholes keep pushing your shitty beliefs and harmful vitriol on us, we only really ever respond to your abuses. And it is all abuse. So, atheists are minding our business it’s you who is overstepping.
Third, public schools are not the only option, they’re just the only option that the government funds. If you are so worried about the curriculum at public schools, then put your kids in Christian private schools or homeschool. Leave the rest of us alone. Children are only required to get an education, they’re aren’t forced into public schools.
Fourth, the vast majority of educators in the USA are Christian of some sort or another, that includes everyone from the first year teacher, to the janitorial staff, to the principal to the school board members and superintendents. If public school was so anti-Christian, you would think some of these people would have said something about it. In fact, as has been mentioned multiple times, the curriculum is super easy on Christianity and its role in the oppressive regimes throughout history. Downplaying the roles it had in the events, whitewashing the effects of the atrocities, even ignoring Christianity altogether for many genocides and murders. Even playing up Christianity on the side of the resistance to the oppressive rulers. Single priests who rebelled against tyranny are Christianity’s heroes, while ignoring the support from the institutional church for the oppression. The Vatican is hoarding wealth, art, and riches stolen during the Holocaust . How do you think they got it? Did the Jewish people bequeath it to them? No, they took it as an arm of the Nazi regime, or it was given to them by the Nazis as hush money, to pay for support and keep the church from stepping in. Schools don’t teach about this, we learn about it by being curious and searching for ourselves.
And finally, most importantly, so importantly that you absolutely need to understand from the bottom of my heart and completely, I. Do. Not. Want. To. Be. Liked. By. Hateful. Bootlicking. Violent. Cowardly. Fucking. Christians.
Because, here’s the deal, you hate us no matter what. You hate us if we are loud, if we are quiet, if we speak out against the horrible things you do, if we comply with your demands. You hate us just for existing. By existing, we threaten your fragile sense of security in your faith, we don’t believe and you question why that is and you begin to question why you believe if others don’t, so you lash out. It causes dissonance and you don’t like the way that feels, so you hate us for existing and making you feel bad. Remember this, We.Dont.Fucking.Care. Die mad about it.
We create cognitive dissonance in their minds, and they don't deal with it well. This nutcase, especially!
Brava! 👏👏👏
You are hated by pretty much all religious groups. And the reason for it is the terror you unleashed on religious people whenever you got the power. See, for example, China and USSR.
Okay, I see I was unclear, I will try again with crayons.
I prefer to be hated by fetid pieces of shit.
I know, not kindergarten level reading, but damn, you should be able to understand. I don’t care.
Christians murdered and hated atheists millennia before USSR and China committed their (religious backed) atrocities. It’s the dissonance.
So by your logic, Christians are allowed to hate and commit violence against atheists because of two instances of oppression supposedly done by two atheist dictators, but atheists can’t even mention the thousands and thousands of atrocities committed by, in the name of, institutionally and individually, Christianity. That would be persecution. Oh no, your child might learn the real history of your religion and it might paint you in a bad light.
You are a perfect example of Christians not minding their own business. You came here. You got your feelings hurt. You claim we’re being the bad guys. You chose this. We do not want you here, your opinion has no value to us, and you aren’t bringing anything of value to the conversation. And now you are wishing us violence and hatred. We were minding our own business. You’re the one sticking their appendages where they don’t belong.
Both Communist countries – dictatorships. Dictators don't like any competition religious or not. Atheists were victims of the terror just as much as religious people. I'm afraid you're showing your ignorance of history here. But at least I guess you know enough not to mention Nazi Germany – props for that.
Atheists were more likely to vote for Hitler than Christians, despite atheists lies that Hitler was an agent of the Pope.
OMG, the how did the Vatican get all that loot? I mean you didn’t address any of my arguments, just came out to scream about hating atheists, then you turn around and show your ass with this comment about “atheist lies that Hitler was was an agent of the Pope.” Once more, if the Catholic Church and Hitler were not working together, how did the Vatican get all the money, art, and jewels that was stolen from the Jewish people?
You aren’t a very good troll.
Hitler was supported by Christians! Homosexuals and atheists also died in the concentration camps! The Nazis were Christian, and they even stated they were doing gods work!
Hitler was a Christian. Moron.
The papacy celebrated Hitler's birthday every year until 1945 when he committed suicide. I dare you to tell me that's anti-Christian.
Could you link to the exit polling where German voters were asked about their religious affiliation? Thank you.
Again you show your ignorance of history. Hitler's main support came from the countryside where people were heavily Christian. I can give you a bibliography if you like?
Given how many Christians voted for Trump, you're wrong.
More likely, the pope was an agent of Hitler.
Cite your source. A reliable source, and no, your tuchus is not a reliable source.
Hitler: christian
You: liar
"despite atheists lies that Hitler was an agent of the Pope"
So who has said that Hitler was the Pope's agent?
An auxiliary question (which you won't answer), why did Cardinal Bertram draft an order for a requiem mass for Hitler and the German people?
The belt buckles didn't say "GOTT NICHT MIT UNS".
We're hated because we demonstrate you don't need a religion to be moral.
You're hated because you lie about religious people and persecute them. And then, don't mind your own business.
What is the color of the sky in your world?
You came to an atheist blog, so your the one who is not minding your own business!
Lie, about the inquisition, burning witches at the stake, religious wars between catholic and Protestants, residential schools, etc, what lies are you referring to too, please be specific?
Where's the lie? Where's the persecution?
oɔsᴉɔuɐɹℲ you and your fellow christofascists lie about atheist people and persecute them.
I taught in public schools for 25 years, And never came across any "anti-Christian bigotry." What do you mean by that? Teaching evolution? That's just science. Give us some examples as you happen to be here.
Relying upon characterization instead of facts is another of their common deceits.
He makes plenty of assertions. He just can't back up those assertions.
𝐂𝐡𝐫𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐨𝐟𝐚𝐬𝐜𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐬 should mind their own business.
FIFY
Xtian comes to an atheist site, makes bullshit statements and then gets ticked off and tries to play the victim when he has truth shoved in his face.
He can go cry to his imaginary friends!
Oh go watch the Melina movie. You need some alone time.
A conservative Christian in the current sociopolitical situation in this country should take 𝘧𝘢𝘳 more care lecturing 𝘭𝘪𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘺 𝘢𝘯𝘺𝘰𝘯𝘦 𝘦𝘭𝘴𝘦 about minding their own business.
Beats the snot out of going to Christian schools and learning pseudo-science and history from the likes of David Barton! 😝
You came to an atheist blog, you don’t own this space! You don’t get to decide what goes on in this space or what is said! Don’t like you can leave!
What sort of "anti-Christian bigotry" do you mean?
Cry harder.
https://youtu.be/MJK5OQ7593M?si=mkBmH21H19WYwXq3
“ 𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑎𝑛𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝑙𝑖𝑒𝑠 𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑐𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑒𝑟 𝑜𝑓 𝑊𝑖𝑙𝑏𝑒𝑟𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑐𝑒’𝑠 𝑚𝑖𝑠𝑠𝑖𝑜𝑛.”
Ah, but what kind of Christianity? Is it True Christianity or one of the many false ones? We Real Christians should not be forced to support Woke Fake Christians. (sotto voce) or mooslims or catlicks.
I say let each of the 45,000 competing xtian sects send one one representative to a pay-per-view days-long Battle Royale. The last one standing in the ring gets the TRUE CHRISTIAN title belt.
Vince McMahon would have multiple orgasms ... or a stroke!
Celebrity Deathmatch: Holy Roller Extravaganza!
Charter schools exist only to bleed taxpayer funds away from public schools and fill the pockets of grifters who want to shove their religion down our throats.
OT: I had Roquefort cheese today for the first time in my life. And now I’m having a great big sad. It was the most delicious cheese I’ve ever had and I’m bemoaning the decades I wasted not eating it.
It is probably telling that my only awareness of the stuff was from a game where almost every character was named after a food or beverage: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hi-Fi_Rush
(One of the bosses was named Roquefort. He was a werewolf. How that ties into cheese, I couldn't say, but the game was amazing.)
"It is better to have waited many years to have eaten Roquefort cheese than to never have eaten Roquefort cheese at all"
-Alfred Lord Tennyson/s
OT- We've arrived at the "arrest journalists for Doing a Journalism" stage of the authoritarian power games: https://apnews.com/article/don-lemon-arrest-minnesota-church-service-d3091fe3d1e37100a7c46573667eb85c
It's weird – none of the things they charged him with, or allegedly charged him with are actual crimes. I'm not even sure that they could get them for trespass right? Aren't churches supposed to be open to all?
Farron did a segment on this
youtu.be/_Puz6uPyxPo
Not much today. These people wear me out. Andwe’re moving.
“ Wilberforce exists so that students can come to a saving faith in Jesus Christ, grow in a personal relationship with Him, and be equipped to make Him known wherever God leads them.”
That’s what your church is for. Perhaps you should pray for your own money, rather use ether people’s money to promote your religion. Because, that Does sound an awful lot like that there soshulizm the far right is always complaining about.
But the giveaway is the last phrase. God needs salespeople. And they want the public treasury to pay for it. But their god who is everywhere wants money, and will not provide it.
I bet it doesn’t even exist.
𝐴𝑛𝑑 𝑝𝑢𝑏𝑙𝑖𝑐 𝑒𝑑𝑢𝑐𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑖𝑠 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑝𝑟𝑜-𝑎𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑠𝑡 𝑒𝑑𝑢𝑐𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛, 𝑛𝑜 𝑚𝑎𝑡𝑡𝑒𝑟 ℎ𝑜𝑤 𝑚𝑢𝑐ℎ 𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑎𝑛 𝑙𝑖𝑎𝑟𝑠 𝑤𝑎𝑛𝑡 𝑡𝑜 𝑐𝑙𝑎𝑖𝑚 𝑜𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑤𝑖𝑠𝑒.
They have been trying to conflate "secular" and "anti-Christian" for decades, at least since they have been wrongly interpreting 𝘌𝘯𝘨𝘦𝘭 𝘷 𝘝𝘪𝘵𝘢𝘭𝘦 as "kicking God out of schools" instead of eliminating mandatory school sponsored prayer.
As well as using secular and atheist synonymously.
Christo-fascists are still crying about Lyndon Johnson’s desegregation of schools is what’s going on here.
Spot On!!
Atheists complain about school choice because they won't be able to teach anti-Christian lies, like the Dark Ages libel. Have your own children instead of trying to control other people's.
Which anti christian lies? The support for slavery?the 1900 years of official anti-semitism that led to the man with the funny mustache? The religious wars? The centuries of child molestation/
Oh! You must mean the failure of your “god” to actuallymake his message clear and provide evidence that he/she/they/it exist.
Inquisitions, Witch Hunts, Crusaders, convert-or-die missionaries…
All in the name of the Christian god, a being that doesn’t even exist.
That’s a bizarre comment and conclusion. I attended a secular public school and didn’t learn any “anti-Christian” lies like the Dark Ages libel. Do you live in the US?
The Religious Right formed in the late 1970s, driven by conservative strategists like Paul Weyrich who mobilized evangelical leaders such as Jerry Falwell in response to IRS threats against the tax-exempt status of segregated Christian schools.
You might not have paid attention: https://nsms6thgradesocialstudies.weebly.com/middle-ages.html
Your source fails. It only mentions that 𝘀𝗼𝗺𝗲 call it the Dark Ages, and lists the reason. In fact, your source does not blame the period on Christianity, but gives Christianity as the main reason people then still had hope for the future. I might have to start using simpler language with you, as you appear to have trouble with 6th grade level reading comprehension.
They invoke all the Dark Ages tropes and don't mention any technological or scientific achievements that occurred in the Middle Ages, unlike what they do for other civilizations. Then, they always reinforce the notion that people lived terribly even though they weren't particularly poor when compared with other pre-modern civilizations.
People did live terribly. The average lifespan was 40 years. Engage with reality instead of being lazy.
"don't mention any technological or scientific achievements that occurred in the Middle Ages"
Mostly built on the back of material from Persian and Arabic sources.
If you read Gerard of Cremona, he complained bitterly about the fact that there was little or no material available in Euroope, hence his comment about "the poverty of the Latins".
So, because an article for sixth graders that gives a simplified general overview of the middle ages doesn't put your "the middle ages had great scientific advancement because Christians are always doing wonderful things unlike those evil atheists who never do good things" spin, it must be anti-Christian.
I agree that Medieval cathedrals are quite impressive engineering-wise, beautiful too. The arched window design to let the light in. But otherwise, the complete rejection of nature, the natural, and science didn’t pan out so well for them.
Looks like a good introduction to the middle ages for 6th graders. What did they get wrong?
Oh, my aching sides. Your evidence is from a do-it-yourself weebly site.
Epic fail.
The Middle Ages you say?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKIyVnoZDdQ
I’m sorry, I’m not understanding what point you are trying to make? If you are stating that it’s a class war, I’m fully aware of that and our owners are too. See, I wasn’t indoctrinated in my secular public school to think authoritarianism means safety with the fear of gOd behind it.
What the hell is nsms, and why should we care?
Atheists complain about so-called school choice because it both disadvantages poor students and funnels public money directly to religious indoctrination. Would YOU want your tax dollars finding a Satanist school?
Dude, take your meds. Stat.
"anti-Christian lies"
Your choice not to give any examples has been noted. Your projection is strong.
"Have your own children instead of trying to control other people's."
That's funny considering that is what you kristers are demanding to do.
Money which comes from the state will sooner or later come with strings which will compromise religious schools. That's why religious schools ought to be paid for by religious people. What Dark Age libel are you referring to?
OT - Vicious
https://misc.pagesuite.com/4244d2b4-2b75-477e-9eb8-55fc11c4cda8/images/b3a5a88b-82d6-4c40-97c2-4bd3fc65024d.jpg
Ow.
OT - Unclear on the concept 2 🥴
https://misc.pagesuite.com/4244d2b4-2b75-477e-9eb8-55fc11c4cda8/images/f0e7680e-9c82-477c-aa5a-f999d2440a79.jpg
You gotta have something to hang on to.
Oh, he was clear on the concept. The one in his head. :)
Miss Piggy is Melania!
https://www.instagram.com/p/DUHEXRVidt0/
That is insulting to poor Miss Piggy, she has standards; unlike the Trump family or any MAGAS!
Maybe we could talk Miss Piggy into giving Donnie a HIY-YAH, right where it counts!
That would explain "quiet Piggy."
That depends, will she go HIY-YAH to Trump a few times?
PERFECT! 🐷
Some good Melania movie memes here.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/melania-movie-jokes
My favorite: If they showed this movie on a plane, people would still walk out.
And btw, it occurs to me that this might be the opportunity of a lifetime to have sex in movie theatre if that is on anyone’s bucket list.
And a review here - https://www.theguardian.com/film/2026/jan/30/melania-review-trump-film-is-a-gilded-trash-remake-of-the-zone-of-interest
The best sentence in the review? "’m not even sure it qualifies as a documentary, exactly, so much as an elaborate piece of designer taxidermy"
"Designer taxidermy" is also a pretty apt description of Mar-a-Lago Face.
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.boredpanda.com%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2026%2F01%2Fmelania-trump-documentary-roasted-with-memes-697cae233fc83__700.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=8b0430577ea8dcdb9fac81b0d25075e0710188f41c77b19d0483d8652fcab166
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What a paradox... all those empty rows at the back, but... I just dunno if I've 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳 gone into a theater horny enough that I could have the opposite of porn playing in the background and still be in the mood.
I rather watch the static television from the poltergeist movie and be suck into the television, than go see that crap.
I rather watch the mating rituals of dust bunnies, than go see that bullshit film!
I rather commit Seppuku with a dull knife than go see the waste of celluloid!
I rather watch Godzilla and King Kong having anal sex than go see the Melania movie on any screen!
"Godzilla and King Kong having anal sex"
Starring JD Vance and Stephen Miller.
Brain bleach stat!
Don’t give the fuckwits any ideas, those two might actually try it!
"Hello police, someone broke into my car. No, they didn't take anything but they left two tickets for Melania on my driver's seat. I want to report a hate crime."
Thanks for the laugh.
Sex in a movie theater? Already done. 😃
(Flat-out buck naked sex at a drive-in, to boot. Several times)
Adult theaters don't count.
Ooh, I did those as well. 😄
Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, say no more, say no more!😉