Wilberforce Academy would be a taxpayer-funded Christian charter school. Church/state separation groups now want to be directly involved in the legal battle.
It isn’t limited to Christianity. The overwhelming desire to indoctrinate children before they’ve reached the age of reason all across the religious spectrum speaks directly to just how little confidence religious leaders have in the ideas they’re pushing. Why is it ever okay to present ideas to children as facts, an educated adult would almost certainly reject if hearing them for the first time? There is the additional issue of there being no consistency what-so-ever in the messages those children are being taught. Nothing divides people more effectively and unnecessarily than religion. I hope this school never sees a penny of public money.
I was questioning individual parents' rights to inflict religion on their kids, which is arguably more effective than schooling on transferring faith to new generations.
This is a topic on which the regulars here have been around and around on for ages. Religious indoctrination is a generational thing, passed down from parent to child, for centuries. The only thing that breaks the chain is when someone wakes up to the truth: that religion has more problems than can be enumerated here.
It's a very old and very sad situation, but slowly but surely, it's being broken.
For the most part, the religions are breaking them themselves. How I was able to get away was my parents believed, went to church, trusted the church and then were let down, the church became demanding and so my parents pulled away. They didn’t stop believing, but they did stop prioritizing attending services, moving from the weekly services to all the holiday services, then to only the two main holidays to whenever they were around my grandparents. Despite not attending church in over a decade they wanted me to get married in a Catholic Church. I refused but they didn’t argue. I never grew up in the habit of attending so when my kids came along they never went. I realized my atheism when my kids were old enough to understand what it was, but I don’t actually talk to them too much about it. I don’t even know if they call themselves atheist now, one is 22 and the other 17, but I do know that when religion does come up they aren’t all that impressed with its claims.
So what I’m saying is, it took a church to let down my parents and in less than two generations, we have completely left religion. Nowadays my mother is even reconsidering her own belief, even in the face of her own demise. The internet is helping. Sunlight is a great disinfectant, what we see religions doing in real time on the internet is actually doing a lot of the work. But it’s their actions, we just get to see them.
It's being broken, one realization at a time. It's being broken by people who research religion on the internet and who come to realize the absurdities that religion promotes and depends upon. The evidence is in the decrease of church attendance and people who represent themselves as religious and by the increase in that category of people known as the nones.
I know that book! They don't want their students to read the whole thing, just the bits they cherry pick. Ezekiel 23:20 certainly won't be covered in class...
I'd still like to know how a person can have a "personal relationship" with either
a) A figment of the imagination
b) A man who has been dead for 2 millennia
If the former, we're into Harvey the Rabbit territory. If the latter, then such a being is long past engaging in a personal relationship with anyone or anything.
Ah, but what kind of Christianity? Is it True Christianity or one of the many false ones? We Real Christians should not be forced to support Woke Fake Christians. (sotto voce) or mooslims or catlicks.
I say let each of the 45,000 competing xtian sects send one one representative to a pay-per-view days-long Battle Royale. The last one standing in the ring gets the TRUE CHRISTIAN title belt.
“National secularist groups like the Freedom from Religion Foundation, Americans United for the Separation of Church and State, and the American Civil Liberties Union are committed to bringing legals challenges to any religious charter school that gets approved or opens its doors. When Oklahoma approved a religious charter school, for instance, these organizations sued the following month alleging violations of the Establishment Clause… Without judicial confirmation of its rights, no religious charter school can safely apply, open, or operate without an inevitable lawsuit by outside groups or a cutoff of funding by the State.”
So, you didn’t learn the lesson from Oklahoma. That religious charter schools are unconstitutional. There’s no legal right for you to do what you are doing. You can’t safely apply, open, or operate your school as a public school. And if you cannot learn this simple lesson, then how will you be able to teach children? Especially since you want to focus on civics. (Don’t think I don’t know what you are trying to do, not learning the lesson that your religious public charter school is unconstitutional but you want to focus on civics in your unconstitutional school means that you want to knowingly teach misinformation to forward your unconstitutional agenda and force others to align with your religious beliefs. You are not being sneaky, we see you.)
Atheists should mind their own business more often. Forcing Christian kids to go to public schools and be taught anti-Christian bigotry will only make more you hated.
First of all, Christians should take your advice. Mind your own business and stop trying to convert others.
Second, you fucking assholes keep pushing your shitty beliefs and harmful vitriol on us, we only really ever respond to your abuses. And it is all abuse. So, atheists are minding our business it’s you who is overstepping.
Third, public schools are not the only option, they’re just the only option that the government funds. If you are so worried about the curriculum at public schools, then put your kids in Christian private schools or homeschool. Leave the rest of us alone. Children are only required to get an education, they’re aren’t forced into public schools.
Fourth, the vast majority of educators in the USA are Christian of some sort or another, that includes everyone from the first year teacher, to the janitorial staff, to the principal to the school board members and superintendents. If public school was so anti-Christian, you would think some of these people would have said something about it. In fact, as has been mentioned multiple times, the curriculum is super easy on Christianity and its role in the oppressive regimes throughout history. Downplaying the roles it had in the events, whitewashing the effects of the atrocities, even ignoring Christianity altogether for many genocides and murders. Even playing up Christianity on the side of the resistance to the oppressive rulers. Single priests who rebelled against tyranny are Christianity’s heroes, while ignoring the support from the institutional church for the oppression. The Vatican is hoarding wealth, art, and riches stolen during the Holocaust . How do you think they got it? Did the Jewish people bequeath it to them? No, they took it as an arm of the Nazi regime, or it was given to them by the Nazis as hush money, to pay for support and keep the church from stepping in. Schools don’t teach about this, we learn about it by being curious and searching for ourselves.
And finally, most importantly, so importantly that you absolutely need to understand from the bottom of my heart and completely, I. Do. Not. Want. To. Be. Liked. By. Hateful. Bootlicking. Violent. Cowardly. Fucking. Christians.
Because, here’s the deal, you hate us no matter what. You hate us if we are loud, if we are quiet, if we speak out against the horrible things you do, if we comply with your demands. You hate us just for existing. By existing, we threaten your fragile sense of security in your faith, we don’t believe and you question why that is and you begin to question why you believe if others don’t, so you lash out. It causes dissonance and you don’t like the way that feels, so you hate us for existing and making you feel bad. Remember this, We.Dont.Fucking.Care. Die mad about it.
You are hated by pretty much all religious groups. And the reason for it is the terror you unleashed on religious people whenever you got the power. See, for example, China and USSR.
Both Communist countries – dictatorships. Dictators don't like any competition religious or not. Atheists were victims of the terror just as much as religious people. I'm afraid you're showing your ignorance of history here. But at least I guess you know enough not to mention Nazi Germany – props for that.
Hitler was supported by Christians, and atheists also died in the concentration camps! The Nazis we’re Christian, and they even stated they were doing gods work!
Again you show your ignorance of history. Hitler's main support came from the countryside where people were heavily Christian. I can give you a bibliography if you like?
OMG, the how did the Vatican get all that loot? I mean you didn’t address any of my arguments, just came out to scream about hating atheists, then you turn around and show your ass with this comment about “atheist lies that Hitler was was an agent of the Pope.” Once more, if the Catholic Church and Hitler were not working together, how did the Vatican get all the money, art, and jewels that was stolen from the Jewish people?
Okay, I see I was unclear, I will try again with crayons.
I prefer to be hated by fetid pieces of shit.
I know, not kindergarten level reading, but damn, you should be able to understand. I don’t care.
Christians murdered and hated atheists millennia before USSR and China committed their (religious backed) atrocities. It’s the dissonance.
So by your logic, Christians are allowed to hate and commit violence against atheists because of two instances of oppression supposedly done by two atheist dictators, but atheists can’t even mention the thousands and thousands of atrocities committed by, in the name of, institutionally and individually, Christianity. That would be persecution. Oh no, your child might learn the real history of your religion and it might paint you in a bad light.
You are a perfect example of Christians not minding their own business. You came here. You got your feelings hurt. You claim we’re being the bad guys. You chose this. We do not want you here, your opinion has no value to us, and you aren’t bringing anything of value to the conversation. And now you are wishing us violence and hatred. We were minding our own business. You’re the one sticking their appendages where they don’t belong.
I taught in public schools for 25 years, And never came across any "anti-Christian bigotry." What do you mean by that? Teaching evolution? That's just science. Give us some examples as you happen to be here.
A conservative Christian in the current sociopolitical situation in this country should take 𝘧𝘢𝘳 more care lecturing 𝘭𝘪𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘺 𝘢𝘯𝘺𝘰𝘯𝘦 𝘦𝘭𝘴𝘦 about minding their own business.
Charter schools exist only to bleed taxpayer funds away from public schools and fill the pockets of grifters who want to shove their religion down our throats.
Not much today. These people wear me out. Andwe’re moving.
“ Wilberforce exists so that students can come to a saving faith in Jesus Christ, grow in a personal relationship with Him, and be equipped to make Him known wherever God leads them.”
That’s what your church is for. Perhaps you should pray for your own money, rather use ether people’s money to promote your religion. Because, that Does sound an awful lot like that there soshulizm the far right is always complaining about.
But the giveaway is the last phrase. God needs salespeople. And they want the public treasury to pay for it. But their god who is everywhere wants money, and will not provide it.
They have been trying to conflate "secular" and "anti-Christian" for decades, at least since they have been wrongly interpreting 𝘌𝘯𝘨𝘦𝘭 𝘷 𝘝𝘪𝘵𝘢𝘭𝘦 as "kicking God out of schools" instead of eliminating mandatory school sponsored prayer.
This is weird. The FIRST time I clicked on it, I saw Melania on the "screen" with the gang from Mystery Science Theater 3000 in silhouette. This time: register. 😝
My guess is that ibb is getting cheap or they want email addys to spam.
"Uploading this comment requires registration". I presume it's about the Melania film. I'd sooner lick a toilet bowl then go to see it. But I'm a little surprised that thousands of magas haven't gone. Apparently some Republicans are buying up tickets, but they don't seem to be going to the movie itself. Perhaps it is a Bridge Too Far even for them.
Atheists complain about school choice because they won't be able to teach anti-Christian lies, like the Dark Ages libel. Have your own children instead of trying to control other people's.
Which anti christian lies? The support for slavery?the 1900 years of official anti-semitism that led to the man with the funny mustache? The religious wars? The centuries of child molestation/
Oh! You must mean the failure of your “god” to actuallymake his message clear and provide evidence that he/she/they/it exist.
That’s a bizarre comment and conclusion. I attended a secular public school and didn’t learn any “anti-Christian” lies like the Dark Ages libel. Do you live in the US?
The Religious Right formed in the late 1970s, driven by conservative strategists like Paul Weyrich who mobilized evangelical leaders such as Jerry Falwell in response to IRS threats against the tax-exempt status of segregated Christian schools.
Your source fails. It only mentions that 𝘀𝗼𝗺𝗲 call it the Dark Ages, and lists the reason. In fact, your source does not blame the period on Christianity, but gives Christianity as the main reason people then still had hope for the future. I might have to start using simpler language with you, as you appear to have trouble with 6th grade level reading comprehension.
They invoke all the Dark Ages tropes and don't mention any technological or scientific achievements that occurred in the Middle Ages, unlike what they do for other civilizations. Then, they always reinforce the notion that people lived terribly even though they weren't particularly poor when compared with other pre-modern civilizations.
"don't mention any technological or scientific achievements that occurred in the Middle Ages"
Mostly built on the back of material from Persian and Arabic sources.
If you read Gerard of Cremona, he complained bitterly about the fact that there was little or no material available in Euroope, hence his comment about "the poverty of the Latins".
So, because an article for sixth graders that gives a simplified general overview of the middle ages doesn't put your "the middle ages had great scientific advancement because Christians are always doing wonderful things unlike those evil atheists who never do good things" spin, it must be anti-Christian.
I agree that Medieval cathedrals are quite impressive engineering-wise, beautiful too. The arched window design to let the light in. But otherwise, the complete rejection of nature, the natural, and science didn’t pan out so well for them.
I’m sorry, I’m not understanding what point you are trying to make? If you are stating that it’s a class war, I’m fully aware of that and our owners are too. See, I wasn’t indoctrinated in my secular public school to think authoritarianism means safety with the fear of gOd behind it.
Atheists complain about so-called school choice because it both disadvantages poor students and funnels public money directly to religious indoctrination. Would YOU want your tax dollars finding a Satanist school?
Money which comes from the state will sooner or later come with strings which will compromise religious schools. That's why religious schools ought to be paid for by religious people. What Dark Age libel are you referring to?
(@jasonroygaston, #3365, for anyone seeing this later. )
There's already a comment,"... creation is do indeed believe in science," which has already started a thread. (I'm not making fun of the person's spelling and grammar, autocorrect and this keyboard and I go round and round), but their ideas 🤦♂️🤦♀️🤦
I've said it once and I'll say it again: if public tax money can go to Christian schools, the constitutionally, Satanic schools must also receive those monies.
Yeah, not even that much fun. Just blind assertions and whining about "dark ages" as if schools still use that term. I was in college in the 90s and even then the term wasn't used.
My world history background dates back to the 1960s, and I don't recall whether the term was used or not. As for college, I went to Case Tech, and the education there was a far more pragmatic nature, as you might well imagine.
I could almost get on board with the last bit. Almost. If they are improperly conflating "secular" with "anti-religious", then maybe. But truly secular is non-discriminatory towards religious students, and a well rounded secular education should include some sort of comparative religion class.
And, of course, therein lies the problem. Maybe they are so deluded that to them, the US is a Christian nation, so why shouldn't the public fund their school?
No. Look at the education system in France. It is entirely secular by law. There are no religious affiliations or viewpoints allowed there within the classroom. They are not allowed to disparage or encourage ANY religion. It is entirely secular. No visible crosses, no hijabs, no yarmulkes. Same flat rule for everyone.
Wilberforce Academy clearly hasn't gotten the message: you DO NOT get to promote religion with public funds. We don't care how pure or well considered your message or your curriculum is or that William Wilberforce was an abolitionist. If you're promoting ONE RELIGION, you can either fund yourself or YOU DON'T GET FUNDED.
It isn’t limited to Christianity. The overwhelming desire to indoctrinate children before they’ve reached the age of reason all across the religious spectrum speaks directly to just how little confidence religious leaders have in the ideas they’re pushing. Why is it ever okay to present ideas to children as facts, an educated adult would almost certainly reject if hearing them for the first time? There is the additional issue of there being no consistency what-so-ever in the messages those children are being taught. Nothing divides people more effectively and unnecessarily than religion. I hope this school never sees a penny of public money.
How can the right of parents to religiously indoctrinate their own children be challenged in a democratic society? It is a hard problem.
Oh, hell, parents in the US do it all the time. The question is: do they get public funds for their indoctrination programs?
The short answer is no. The longer answer is 𝗛𝗘𝗟𝗟, 𝗡𝗢.
I was questioning individual parents' rights to inflict religion on their kids, which is arguably more effective than schooling on transferring faith to new generations.
This is a topic on which the regulars here have been around and around on for ages. Religious indoctrination is a generational thing, passed down from parent to child, for centuries. The only thing that breaks the chain is when someone wakes up to the truth: that religion has more problems than can be enumerated here.
It's a very old and very sad situation, but slowly but surely, it's being broken.
How is it being broken, and are there ways to increase it without repressive and undemocratic measures?
For the most part, the religions are breaking them themselves. How I was able to get away was my parents believed, went to church, trusted the church and then were let down, the church became demanding and so my parents pulled away. They didn’t stop believing, but they did stop prioritizing attending services, moving from the weekly services to all the holiday services, then to only the two main holidays to whenever they were around my grandparents. Despite not attending church in over a decade they wanted me to get married in a Catholic Church. I refused but they didn’t argue. I never grew up in the habit of attending so when my kids came along they never went. I realized my atheism when my kids were old enough to understand what it was, but I don’t actually talk to them too much about it. I don’t even know if they call themselves atheist now, one is 22 and the other 17, but I do know that when religion does come up they aren’t all that impressed with its claims.
So what I’m saying is, it took a church to let down my parents and in less than two generations, we have completely left religion. Nowadays my mother is even reconsidering her own belief, even in the face of her own demise. The internet is helping. Sunlight is a great disinfectant, what we see religions doing in real time on the internet is actually doing a lot of the work. But it’s their actions, we just get to see them.
It's being broken, one realization at a time. It's being broken by people who research religion on the internet and who come to realize the absurdities that religion promotes and depends upon. The evidence is in the decrease of church attendance and people who represent themselves as religious and by the increase in that category of people known as the nones.
Can we review the curriculum? Can we express our opinions at board/management meetings? Can we vote out leadership?
No? Then no tax dollars for you.
I've reviewed the curriculum. It's a book of fairy tales. ; )
A book of FAIRY TALES?!? Who woulda thunk it? [Answer: who around here WOULDN'T HAVE?]
I know that book! They don't want their students to read the whole thing, just the bits they cherry pick. Ezekiel 23:20 certainly won't be covered in class...
Or Psalms 137:9. Or Hosea 13:16.
Neither will Ezekiel 20:25-26. Or Judges 19:22-29, and there are LOTS of others.
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I'd still like to know how a person can have a "personal relationship" with either
a) A figment of the imagination
b) A man who has been dead for 2 millennia
If the former, we're into Harvey the Rabbit territory. If the latter, then such a being is long past engaging in a personal relationship with anyone or anything.
Humans have an amazing talent when it comes to fooling themselves, because there is no one easier to fool than one's self.
Are you asserting that Ryan Reynolds is not my boyfriend?
How can he be yours when he’s mine? Ryan likes to sleep around. :)
You have an AI ryan. I havevthe real one.
At least Harvey was real to Jimmy Stewart. They even had portraiture done, if I recall!
Want to play with taxpayer dollars, Wilberforce? It's very simple: Pay your taxes like your bible tell you to and why.
No pay? Then no play.
I'd offer them thoughts and prayers if I prayed or gave a damn about them.
“ 𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑎𝑛𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝑙𝑖𝑒𝑠 𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑐𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑒𝑟 𝑜𝑓 𝑊𝑖𝑙𝑏𝑒𝑟𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑐𝑒’𝑠 𝑚𝑖𝑠𝑠𝑖𝑜𝑛.”
Ah, but what kind of Christianity? Is it True Christianity or one of the many false ones? We Real Christians should not be forced to support Woke Fake Christians. (sotto voce) or mooslims or catlicks.
I say let each of the 45,000 competing xtian sects send one one representative to a pay-per-view days-long Battle Royale. The last one standing in the ring gets the TRUE CHRISTIAN title belt.
Vince McMahon would have multiple orgasms ... or a stroke!
Celebrity Deathmatch: Holy Roller Extravaganza!
“National secularist groups like the Freedom from Religion Foundation, Americans United for the Separation of Church and State, and the American Civil Liberties Union are committed to bringing legals challenges to any religious charter school that gets approved or opens its doors. When Oklahoma approved a religious charter school, for instance, these organizations sued the following month alleging violations of the Establishment Clause… Without judicial confirmation of its rights, no religious charter school can safely apply, open, or operate without an inevitable lawsuit by outside groups or a cutoff of funding by the State.”
So, you didn’t learn the lesson from Oklahoma. That religious charter schools are unconstitutional. There’s no legal right for you to do what you are doing. You can’t safely apply, open, or operate your school as a public school. And if you cannot learn this simple lesson, then how will you be able to teach children? Especially since you want to focus on civics. (Don’t think I don’t know what you are trying to do, not learning the lesson that your religious public charter school is unconstitutional but you want to focus on civics in your unconstitutional school means that you want to knowingly teach misinformation to forward your unconstitutional agenda and force others to align with your religious beliefs. You are not being sneaky, we see you.)
Atheists should mind their own business more often. Forcing Christian kids to go to public schools and be taught anti-Christian bigotry will only make more you hated.
First of all, Christians should take your advice. Mind your own business and stop trying to convert others.
Second, you fucking assholes keep pushing your shitty beliefs and harmful vitriol on us, we only really ever respond to your abuses. And it is all abuse. So, atheists are minding our business it’s you who is overstepping.
Third, public schools are not the only option, they’re just the only option that the government funds. If you are so worried about the curriculum at public schools, then put your kids in Christian private schools or homeschool. Leave the rest of us alone. Children are only required to get an education, they’re aren’t forced into public schools.
Fourth, the vast majority of educators in the USA are Christian of some sort or another, that includes everyone from the first year teacher, to the janitorial staff, to the principal to the school board members and superintendents. If public school was so anti-Christian, you would think some of these people would have said something about it. In fact, as has been mentioned multiple times, the curriculum is super easy on Christianity and its role in the oppressive regimes throughout history. Downplaying the roles it had in the events, whitewashing the effects of the atrocities, even ignoring Christianity altogether for many genocides and murders. Even playing up Christianity on the side of the resistance to the oppressive rulers. Single priests who rebelled against tyranny are Christianity’s heroes, while ignoring the support from the institutional church for the oppression. The Vatican is hoarding wealth, art, and riches stolen during the Holocaust . How do you think they got it? Did the Jewish people bequeath it to them? No, they took it as an arm of the Nazi regime, or it was given to them by the Nazis as hush money, to pay for support and keep the church from stepping in. Schools don’t teach about this, we learn about it by being curious and searching for ourselves.
And finally, most importantly, so importantly that you absolutely need to understand from the bottom of my heart and completely, I. Do. Not. Want. To. Be. Liked. By. Hateful. Bootlicking. Violent. Cowardly. Fucking. Christians.
Because, here’s the deal, you hate us no matter what. You hate us if we are loud, if we are quiet, if we speak out against the horrible things you do, if we comply with your demands. You hate us just for existing. By existing, we threaten your fragile sense of security in your faith, we don’t believe and you question why that is and you begin to question why you believe if others don’t, so you lash out. It causes dissonance and you don’t like the way that feels, so you hate us for existing and making you feel bad. Remember this, We.Dont.Fucking.Care. Die mad about it.
Brava! 👏👏👏
You are hated by pretty much all religious groups. And the reason for it is the terror you unleashed on religious people whenever you got the power. See, for example, China and USSR.
Both Communist countries – dictatorships. Dictators don't like any competition religious or not. Atheists were victims of the terror just as much as religious people. I'm afraid you're showing your ignorance of history here. But at least I guess you know enough not to mention Nazi Germany – props for that.
Atheists were more likely to vote for Hitler than Christians, despite atheists lies that Hitler was an agent of the Pope.
Hitler was supported by Christians, and atheists also died in the concentration camps! The Nazis we’re Christian, and they even stated they were doing gods work!
Again you show your ignorance of history. Hitler's main support came from the countryside where people were heavily Christian. I can give you a bibliography if you like?
OMG, the how did the Vatican get all that loot? I mean you didn’t address any of my arguments, just came out to scream about hating atheists, then you turn around and show your ass with this comment about “atheist lies that Hitler was was an agent of the Pope.” Once more, if the Catholic Church and Hitler were not working together, how did the Vatican get all the money, art, and jewels that was stolen from the Jewish people?
You aren’t a very good troll.
Hitler was a Christian. Moron.
Okay, I see I was unclear, I will try again with crayons.
I prefer to be hated by fetid pieces of shit.
I know, not kindergarten level reading, but damn, you should be able to understand. I don’t care.
Christians murdered and hated atheists millennia before USSR and China committed their (religious backed) atrocities. It’s the dissonance.
So by your logic, Christians are allowed to hate and commit violence against atheists because of two instances of oppression supposedly done by two atheist dictators, but atheists can’t even mention the thousands and thousands of atrocities committed by, in the name of, institutionally and individually, Christianity. That would be persecution. Oh no, your child might learn the real history of your religion and it might paint you in a bad light.
You are a perfect example of Christians not minding their own business. You came here. You got your feelings hurt. You claim we’re being the bad guys. You chose this. We do not want you here, your opinion has no value to us, and you aren’t bringing anything of value to the conversation. And now you are wishing us violence and hatred. We were minding our own business. You’re the one sticking their appendages where they don’t belong.
Beats the snot out of going to Christian schools and learning pseudo-science and history from the likes of David Barton! 😝
https://youtu.be/MJK5OQ7593M?si=mkBmH21H19WYwXq3
I taught in public schools for 25 years, And never came across any "anti-Christian bigotry." What do you mean by that? Teaching evolution? That's just science. Give us some examples as you happen to be here.
He makes plenty of assertions. He just can't back up those assertions.
A conservative Christian in the current sociopolitical situation in this country should take 𝘧𝘢𝘳 more care lecturing 𝘭𝘪𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘺 𝘢𝘯𝘺𝘰𝘯𝘦 𝘦𝘭𝘴𝘦 about minding their own business.
What sort of "anti-Christian bigotry" do you mean?
Charter schools exist only to bleed taxpayer funds away from public schools and fill the pockets of grifters who want to shove their religion down our throats.
Not much today. These people wear me out. Andwe’re moving.
“ Wilberforce exists so that students can come to a saving faith in Jesus Christ, grow in a personal relationship with Him, and be equipped to make Him known wherever God leads them.”
That’s what your church is for. Perhaps you should pray for your own money, rather use ether people’s money to promote your religion. Because, that Does sound an awful lot like that there soshulizm the far right is always complaining about.
But the giveaway is the last phrase. God needs salespeople. And they want the public treasury to pay for it. But their god who is everywhere wants money, and will not provide it.
I bet it doesn’t even exist.
𝐴𝑛𝑑 𝑝𝑢𝑏𝑙𝑖𝑐 𝑒𝑑𝑢𝑐𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑖𝑠 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑝𝑟𝑜-𝑎𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑠𝑡 𝑒𝑑𝑢𝑐𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛, 𝑛𝑜 𝑚𝑎𝑡𝑡𝑒𝑟 ℎ𝑜𝑤 𝑚𝑢𝑐ℎ 𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑎𝑛 𝑙𝑖𝑎𝑟𝑠 𝑤𝑎𝑛𝑡 𝑡𝑜 𝑐𝑙𝑎𝑖𝑚 𝑜𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑤𝑖𝑠𝑒.
They have been trying to conflate "secular" and "anti-Christian" for decades, at least since they have been wrongly interpreting 𝘌𝘯𝘨𝘦𝘭 𝘷 𝘝𝘪𝘵𝘢𝘭𝘦 as "kicking God out of schools" instead of eliminating mandatory school sponsored prayer.
As well as using secular and atheist synonymously.
OT:
https://ibb.co/wZ18rQzn
Yeah, they’re trying to pay folks to go, ads on Craig’s list.
Sorry, it would take Trump’s entire fortune to get me into one of those theaters.
"Sorry, it would take Trump’s entire fortune"
Would that be his actual fortune or the fortune that he says he has?
This is weird. The FIRST time I clicked on it, I saw Melania on the "screen" with the gang from Mystery Science Theater 3000 in silhouette. This time: register. 😝
My guess is that ibb is getting cheap or they want email addys to spam.
I got to see it before it went bye-bye.
Apparently I need to register to see the image.
Me too. But I didn’t need to register to see the soft porn available by scrolling down just a little bit.
I’m only getting programming notes, like urls and such.
Weird. What I see is most definitely NSFW. The porn is below the “please register” and above the urls. Four live cams.
I guess my ad block is working pretty well, then, 'cuz I dont' see any of that!
Should be in the Dollar General discount bin by next week.
Can you say, "BOMBED," boys and girls?
Her rocket blew up on the launchpad like it was a joint venture between Musk and ACME.
Wile E. Coyote was not pleased! 😁
Like a fishing boat when hubby needs a distraction from the Epstein files.
"Uploading this comment requires registration". I presume it's about the Melania film. I'd sooner lick a toilet bowl then go to see it. But I'm a little surprised that thousands of magas haven't gone. Apparently some Republicans are buying up tickets, but they don't seem to be going to the movie itself. Perhaps it is a Bridge Too Far even for them.
I get "uploading this content requires registration"
Christo-fascists are still crying about Lyndon Johnson’s desegregation of schools is what’s going on here.
Spot On!!
Atheists complain about school choice because they won't be able to teach anti-Christian lies, like the Dark Ages libel. Have your own children instead of trying to control other people's.
Which anti christian lies? The support for slavery?the 1900 years of official anti-semitism that led to the man with the funny mustache? The religious wars? The centuries of child molestation/
Oh! You must mean the failure of your “god” to actuallymake his message clear and provide evidence that he/she/they/it exist.
Inquisitions, Witch Hunts, Crusaders, convert-or-die missionaries…
All in the name of the Christian god, a being that doesn’t even exist.
That’s a bizarre comment and conclusion. I attended a secular public school and didn’t learn any “anti-Christian” lies like the Dark Ages libel. Do you live in the US?
The Religious Right formed in the late 1970s, driven by conservative strategists like Paul Weyrich who mobilized evangelical leaders such as Jerry Falwell in response to IRS threats against the tax-exempt status of segregated Christian schools.
You might not have paid attention: https://nsms6thgradesocialstudies.weebly.com/middle-ages.html
Your source fails. It only mentions that 𝘀𝗼𝗺𝗲 call it the Dark Ages, and lists the reason. In fact, your source does not blame the period on Christianity, but gives Christianity as the main reason people then still had hope for the future. I might have to start using simpler language with you, as you appear to have trouble with 6th grade level reading comprehension.
They invoke all the Dark Ages tropes and don't mention any technological or scientific achievements that occurred in the Middle Ages, unlike what they do for other civilizations. Then, they always reinforce the notion that people lived terribly even though they weren't particularly poor when compared with other pre-modern civilizations.
People did live terribly. The average lifespan was 40 years. Engage with reality instead of being lazy.
"don't mention any technological or scientific achievements that occurred in the Middle Ages"
Mostly built on the back of material from Persian and Arabic sources.
If you read Gerard of Cremona, he complained bitterly about the fact that there was little or no material available in Euroope, hence his comment about "the poverty of the Latins".
So, because an article for sixth graders that gives a simplified general overview of the middle ages doesn't put your "the middle ages had great scientific advancement because Christians are always doing wonderful things unlike those evil atheists who never do good things" spin, it must be anti-Christian.
I agree that Medieval cathedrals are quite impressive engineering-wise, beautiful too. The arched window design to let the light in. But otherwise, the complete rejection of nature, the natural, and science didn’t pan out so well for them.
Oh, my aching sides. Your evidence is from a do-it-yourself weebly site.
Epic fail.
Looks like a good introduction to the middle ages for 6th graders. What did they get wrong?
The Middle Ages you say?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKIyVnoZDdQ
I’m sorry, I’m not understanding what point you are trying to make? If you are stating that it’s a class war, I’m fully aware of that and our owners are too. See, I wasn’t indoctrinated in my secular public school to think authoritarianism means safety with the fear of gOd behind it.
What the hell is nsms, and why should we care?
Atheists complain about so-called school choice because it both disadvantages poor students and funnels public money directly to religious indoctrination. Would YOU want your tax dollars finding a Satanist school?
Dude, take your meds. Stat.
"anti-Christian lies"
Your choice not to give any examples has been noted. Your projection is strong.
"Have your own children instead of trying to control other people's."
That's funny considering that is what you kristers are demanding to do.
Money which comes from the state will sooner or later come with strings which will compromise religious schools. That's why religious schools ought to be paid for by religious people. What Dark Age libel are you referring to?
OT - One of my favorite YouTube comedians mentioned the "Creationists Are Mocking Flat Earthers for Not Understanding Science" title from when Hemnant was on Pathos: https://youtube.com/shorts/K4Io_-QOi_Q?si=d550ExXbNfXxBrja
(@jasonroygaston, #3365, for anyone seeing this later. )
There's already a comment,"... creation is do indeed believe in science," which has already started a thread. (I'm not making fun of the person's spelling and grammar, autocorrect and this keyboard and I go round and round), but their ideas 🤦♂️🤦♀️🤦
I've said it once and I'll say it again: if public tax money can go to Christian schools, the constitutionally, Satanic schools must also receive those monies.
OT
Chew toy has arrived.
So should we chew or ignore?
I tend to ignore by not replying directly to the toy. Others do what they feel they must by applying the rod of correction to said toy.
Your choice. It doesn't seem to be very intelligent.
Yeah, not even that much fun. Just blind assertions and whining about "dark ages" as if schools still use that term. I was in college in the 90s and even then the term wasn't used.
My world history background dates back to the 1960s, and I don't recall whether the term was used or not. As for college, I went to Case Tech, and the education there was a far more pragmatic nature, as you might well imagine.
I thought that the term was now used to indicate that little historical information still existed for the period, rather than it being uncivilised.
I’m remember being surprised the first time I saw a Christian take umbrage at the term.
Plus pissing and moaning “Sure, atheists are always the good guys and Christians are always the bad guys.” Which no one here besides him said.
I get the impression he thinks “Christian” and “ atheist” are opposites like off and on.
I don't often get a chance to play, so I have been chomping away.
“𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑎𝑛𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝑙𝑖𝑒𝑠 𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑐𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑒𝑟 𝑜𝑓 𝑊𝑖𝑙𝑏𝑒𝑟𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑐𝑒’𝑠 𝑚𝑖𝑠𝑠𝑖𝑜𝑛.” 𝑇ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑎𝑑𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑟 𝑐ℎ𝑎𝑟𝑡𝑒𝑟 “𝑎𝑓𝑓𝑖𝑟𝑚𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑡𝑟𝑢𝑡ℎ 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐴𝑝𝑜𝑠𝑡𝑙𝑒𝑠’ 𝐶𝑟𝑒𝑒𝑑 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑖𝑛𝑒𝑟𝑟𝑎𝑛𝑐𝑦 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑖𝑛𝑓𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑖𝑏𝑖𝑙𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐻𝑜𝑙𝑦 𝐵𝑖𝑏𝑙𝑒” 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 “𝑎 𝑝𝑢𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑦 𝑠𝑒𝑐𝑢𝑙𝑎𝑟 𝑒𝑑𝑢𝑐𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑖𝑠 𝑛𝑒𝑐𝑒𝑠𝑠𝑎𝑟𝑖𝑙𝑦 𝑎𝑛 𝑖𝑛𝑓𝑒𝑟𝑖𝑜𝑟 𝑜𝑛𝑒.”
I could almost get on board with the last bit. Almost. If they are improperly conflating "secular" with "anti-religious", then maybe. But truly secular is non-discriminatory towards religious students, and a well rounded secular education should include some sort of comparative religion class.
“𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑎𝑛𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝑙𝑖𝑒𝑠 𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑐𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑒𝑟 𝑜𝑓 𝑊𝑖𝑙𝑏𝑒𝑟𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑐𝑒’𝑠 𝑚𝑖𝑠𝑠𝑖𝑜𝑛.”
And, of course, therein lies the problem. Maybe they are so deluded that to them, the US is a Christian nation, so why shouldn't the public fund their school?
Time they woke up to reality.
Unfortunately, "secular" education is very much anti-religious, anti-Christian in particular. Just pick any history curriculum and check it yourself.
I did. If anything it downplayed Christian atrocities and lied about non-Christians.
You're just wrong.
How about YOU pick a history curriculum and explain it to us.
"secular" education is reality based. Religion being fantasy based, cannot withstand scrutiny.
No. Look at the education system in France. It is entirely secular by law. There are no religious affiliations or viewpoints allowed there within the classroom. They are not allowed to disparage or encourage ANY religion. It is entirely secular. No visible crosses, no hijabs, no yarmulkes. Same flat rule for everyone.
Wilberforce Academy clearly hasn't gotten the message: you DO NOT get to promote religion with public funds. We don't care how pure or well considered your message or your curriculum is or that William Wilberforce was an abolitionist. If you're promoting ONE RELIGION, you can either fund yourself or YOU DON'T GET FUNDED.
Get used to it.