Penalties for medical procedures far more than not using medical procedures.
And RFK Jr will never receive any penalty for his advice leading to deaths. He got away with it once already. American Samoa, 83 counts. Going to be a lot more.
30 days in jail for killing an infant through neglect. If it had been any religious belief other than Christianity, they would have received the full five years. If the judge had allowed the plea deal. And when they said "everyone in the church should always seek adequate medical care for our children," they should have been required to define "adequate".
I’m so sick and tired of children being abused, ruined and taken advantage of by their elders. I don’t give one shit about the abuser’s vocation, political affiliation or how much fucking money they have. If we can’t even make positive steps to improve the safety of our children, we are lost.
Then, of course, there is the judiciary, which is chock full of judges sympathetic to the plight of pedophiles. It amazes me that, somehow, they managed to advance to a position that made them stewards of the law! Now, when it is time to apply their years of expertise, we watch them ignore their responsibilities. We need sentencing guidelines with teeth and judges that will enforce them.
There is no horror that cannot be, and has not been, justified in the name of religion. If it was up to me, they would have their children taken away, and would never set foot out of prison for the rest of their lives.
They don't give a shit about unborn babies. They are just a pawn in the Project 2025 power play. And we all know abortion will always be available on demand for the rich and powerful. Mother Teresa always had the best care while her victims did not even get an aspirin.
Yet another Christian couple who think they're SO SPECIAL that their god is going to intervene on their behalf for an ailing child. Well, in THIS case, a child in such dire straits that medical intervention was a cast-iron necessity. It continues to astonish me that people maintain such a spurious belief, doubtless in the face of repeated failures of their deity to come through for them ("Oh, you didn't have enough faith;" "You didn't pray hard enough," et cetera).
And yes, they DID get off light, and HELL YES, local and perhaps state law enforcement needs to watch them like a hawk, for the sake of their other children. I would not consider them to be safe by any stretch of the imagination.
Entirely possible. They got off easy ONCE. If TWICE happens, the Edwards need to be landed on with both feet. They deserve no further slack, and indeed, they didn't deserve any the first time around.
It's astonishing how so many people can be so delusional even when the lives of their children are at stake. I've lost count of how many tragic stories I have read that are similar to this one.
Back in the late 80's or early 90's, a TV movie "Promised a Miracle" told the story of a couple who not only let their diabetic son die by halting his insulin, but also expected him to rise from the dead "like Lazarus" and come home. SMH
There was a similar case in Redding, CA around 7-8 years ago. Parents were part of one of those really weird churches - conservative xian, of course, and their little toddler daughter died after this candidate for ‘father of the year’ decided to rely upon gawd to cure her from some infection/virus (because of course the child’s mother didn’t get a vote; only dad!). They and their crazy enablers elected to keep the child’s dead, rapidly decomposing body in the un-air-conditioned church for weeks, asking for the other congregants to pray her back to life. In the summer. In California. Where it tends to be hot.
When that inevitably failed, they finally got her buried, but not until her body had been subjected to intense decomposition, would have smelled terribly, and would likely have attracted flies.
I can’t imagine doing something like that to the body of someone I loved!
There was also that couple who fed their dying child honey with spicy peppers and such while he was suffering lockjaw and seizures. I forget when and where, but they actively made his suffering worse.
I remember that one! Wasn’t there also one in Alberta or Saskatchewan where the evangelical/conservative xian parents had a kid who had type 1, insulin dependent, diabetes and refused to give him his insulin because gawd, I guess, and also physically beat the boy, verbally bullied him, scapegoated him, and starved him. He was less than half the weight that he should have been, had huge, deep bedsores, and some of his muscles were literally liquified at his death.
If I recall correctly, his religiously delusional ‘parents’ also did an infuriatingly, insultingly short prison sentence. Christian privilege sucks!
I am a former child abuse investigator and worked for the Iowa Department of Human Services for over 22 years. I personally investigated cases like this and we had some cases of child endangerment due failure to provide medical care for religious reasons. In some cases the parents were charged and tried. I have never seen such a BS sentencing like this case. Children have died because of the prayer instead of medicine belief. It goes back to the likes of Jimmy Swigert and Oral Roberts and Benny Hinn faith healing crap. I came out of this Christain fundamentalist cult stuff and this "church" is the same type of cult. Shame on that court ruling.
That's part of how leaders check their control - to see if you will follow an irrational split. Of course we want our kids schooled in modern biology, we just don't accept the germ theory of disease.
...and as I write that, I realize we have a head of HHS who pretty much fits that description. Sigh.
I’m not sure RFK Jr fits any description. He may be the most bizarre person to ever hold a cabinet position. A man not even his mother could love, now a Greek god to the MAGATS. Thankful, he is only in charge of the insignificant task of managing the nation’s health.
Check out an article on the Science Based Medicine website (a couple of days ago) which discusses RFKjr's opposition to the germ theory of disease and where that comes from. I knew some of that info, but the article is qute thorough. The faith healers/child murderers are probably operating off similar beliefs, with a hefty dose of eugenics tossed in.
If your religion is more valuable than your children, let someone who cares about their well-being raise them. It's the ethical thing to do. Go to church and have a great time with your delusions.
Really enjoy that good feeling of magical thinking.
Jaundice happens with newborns. It's treatable unless you ignore it. That's why you have to make a doc visit or get a midwife in the first 24-36.
Preemies have lung problems. Lungs are the last organs to mature. Again, mostly treatable and life threatening if not.
Storytime: During the beginning of the AIDS epidemic, I had a baby at 25 weeks. Baby needed blood transfusions, before you were allowed to give your own or a relatives blood. There were HIV transmissions in the community at the time and screening was years away.
For about 5 minutes I tried to get my own blood used, blood bank said no dice. The doc said he would take baby away right now if I didn't sign.
He was absolutely correct.
Really it took me a few minutes to realize I was too sick to make the right decision.
Um. I searched Duckduckgo for 'terrain theory' and mostly got pages for 'germ theory denialism.' Searching for something like that on YT is always going to yield odd results, their search engine is intended to make YT money, not find what you're looking for as far as I can tell.
*sigh* There are cons to both sides. One Trump lives to traumatize and screw over innumerable people. Trump dies and we get the dead-eyed faux-hillbilly, who strikes me as just as vicious and evil and cruel as his superior, if not more so, and far more cunning.
He got shot "near the neck" – well, his head is a big enough target.
I used to think that making jokes about people who were either dead or injured by some lunatic was a bad thing. But Kirk and his kameraden, are simply beyond the pale.
His life's work is hurting people and breaking things. He's one of the most prominent drivers of this bullshit culture war we've been forced into. I don't know the shooter's motives, so I won't speculate on that... but the world will be an objectively better place if that rancid piece of fascist shit snuffs it.
Having another Aria day this month. I ate what I have at home (chips, cookies, bread, gyozas...) since very early this morning. I just gave up and ordered two pizzas.
I wish I could say that I condemn political violence, and that I hope the shooter is brought to justice.
But I can't say that, and I 𝘥𝘰𝘯'𝘵 hope that.
I hope the shooter is never caught. I hope the case goes forever unsolved. I hope that every other asshole fascist grifter like the late, unlamented Mr. Kirk has to live out the rest of their days looking over their shoulder, wondering when it'll be 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘪𝘳 turn- because that's the state of being they've inflicted on me and mine, and they fucking well deserve a taste of their own bitter medicine. This is the world they wanted. This is the world they built. This is the violence they demanded. Let them choke on it.
Well he was a Fascist, a Christian Dominionist, and was absolutely against gun control. So I must say I can't get too upset. In fact I'd probably piss on his grave if it wasn't so far away.
WHERE will it be? How long a line will i have to be in to shit on his grave. Er, skip that. There is DNA in shit. And piss. Far safer to empty thed litter box on his grave so deep they need a very large bulldozer or payloader and trucks to haul it away.
Not only is the antiabortion hypocrisy important to point out here, but also the disdain that culture in USA seems to have towards women who choose not to have children. I have been asked if I hate children jokingly but not jokingly on many occasions. They are so silly! I can use that “kid money” now to donate to organizations to help children already Born (which I do) and most importantly the cats 🐈⬛
Where I live, there is between 500,000-1 million stray and feral cats living on the streets. Many were pets folks could no longer afford to take care of because veterinary care is too expensive like everything else. So, we cat lovers help out however we can 🐈⬛
This is OT, but, the corporate takeover of veterinary medicine has absolutely ruined it. No longer are Vet’s or their staff available after 5 PM for medical emergencies. Now, you must pay an extra
$500 to go to an after hours emergency hospital. That’s $500 on top of the charges for any care your animal receives. Offices are understaffed.
Appointments are weeks out. Just the way the corporate oligarchs like it.
Our Vet’s office went corporate (VCA) years ago and the service slipped significantly. Recently, our veterinarian opened his own office, without “corporate bottom line” oversight. I was overjoyed to move the accounts for both of my doggos to his new office. Now I can get appointments today or tomorrow with no problem. And yes, he’s available for health emergencies.
The cost of veterinary care is really out of control. Owners face very stressful decisions about medical care for their pets when the cost is prohibitive. Many animal owners are on fixed budgets. Thousands of dollars in veterinary bills create a tremendous hardship.
Another case proving that medical care FOR PROFIT is destructive.
The people there have been great. I’ve been with my local VCA for years, since they bought out the previous owners business. The staff went with the deal, so, of course we stayed with them.
I know, I’m a boomer and lived in olden times, but it really wasn’t that long ago that veterinary clinics were accommodating to clients with pet emergencies. I’ve had it happen twice to my doggos and both times, VCA, who I had been with for many years (and many dogs) turned me away. The best they could do was see us in a day or so. No, they send you to their affiliated emergency clinic, where you need $500 just to be seen.
“During the last century, global domestic cat numbers rocketed past 200 million, along with a surge in cat diseases and numbers of feral cats and sick, injured and malnourished cats.”
The above is a quote from the most amazing book titled 'Among the Pigeons' … it should be compulsory reading for EVERY HUMAN on this planet, and probably other planets, and not just for cat lovers.
Meanwhile, the penalty for any abortion is 10 to life.
Fetuses have more rights than 10-year-old rape/molestation/incest victims do.
"If you’re preborn, you’re fine; if you’re preschool, you’re fucked."
- George Carlin.
"you’re fucked" George Carlin was right! 😄
More rights than WOMEN do. 🤦♂️
Guns have more rights than women do.
Good for you, NoGodzz20. I’m a longtime supporter of AU.org. And the daughter of a Seminary prof in Homiletics.
AU does extraordinary work.
What is AU.
Atheist United.
Full name “Americans United For Separation of Church and State”
au.org
Penalties for medical procedures far more than not using medical procedures.
And RFK Jr will never receive any penalty for his advice leading to deaths. He got away with it once already. American Samoa, 83 counts. Going to be a lot more.
Wait til the deaths of kids not getting vaccinated in Florida. It'll make Samoa, and this case in Oregon, look like a garden party.
Texass already have a head start.
Vs two accidental deaths due to a medical error.
Thanks for expressing my same thoughts Elise.
This was a post-birth abortion.
Those are the kind they enjoy.
30 days in jail for killing an infant through neglect. If it had been any religious belief other than Christianity, they would have received the full five years. If the judge had allowed the plea deal. And when they said "everyone in the church should always seek adequate medical care for our children," they should have been required to define "adequate".
Christian Fucking Privilege needs to end.
I’m so sick and tired of children being abused, ruined and taken advantage of by their elders. I don’t give one shit about the abuser’s vocation, political affiliation or how much fucking money they have. If we can’t even make positive steps to improve the safety of our children, we are lost.
Then, of course, there is the judiciary, which is chock full of judges sympathetic to the plight of pedophiles. It amazes me that, somehow, they managed to advance to a position that made them stewards of the law! Now, when it is time to apply their years of expertise, we watch them ignore their responsibilities. We need sentencing guidelines with teeth and judges that will enforce them.
PROBATION MY ASS
More than 5 years, the procurer would have found a way to count abuse charges as independent accusations.
Words fail me right now. I'm that apoplectic.
If these two hadn't been Christian, they'd have had the book thrown at them.
What if they were people of color? They would be vilified and thrown into Alligator Alcatraz.
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And this was Oregon, not Arkansas!
Stupid is everywhere.
Way too close for me.
There is no horror that cannot be, and has not been, justified in the name of religion. If it was up to me, they would have their children taken away, and would never set foot out of prison for the rest of their lives.
Now that makes sense.
This checks out.
Once the kid’s out, it can be killed off in a variety of ways. Poverty, Military Service, etc. with no moral qualms.
If it’s In Utero, however…
Sanctity reigns supreme, regardless.
They don't give a shit about unborn babies. They are just a pawn in the Project 2025 power play. And we all know abortion will always be available on demand for the rich and powerful. Mother Teresa always had the best care while her victims did not even get an aspirin.
Good for you, Paul.
I don’t disagree with any of your points…
For me, however, brevity allows the absurdity of the situation to shine through. All the best.
"They'll be in jail for a month."
They got their miracle.
Isn’t xtian priviledge a wonder to behold?
I think I shall now be sick.
Muthafuckas!
Yet another Christian couple who think they're SO SPECIAL that their god is going to intervene on their behalf for an ailing child. Well, in THIS case, a child in such dire straits that medical intervention was a cast-iron necessity. It continues to astonish me that people maintain such a spurious belief, doubtless in the face of repeated failures of their deity to come through for them ("Oh, you didn't have enough faith;" "You didn't pray hard enough," et cetera).
And yes, they DID get off light, and HELL YES, local and perhaps state law enforcement needs to watch them like a hawk, for the sake of their other children. I would not consider them to be safe by any stretch of the imagination.
Why should we need to “watch” child killers anywhere but by CCTV in their prison cell?
WE don't, though I know Hemant may very well follow up on this story. Local law enforcement damned well SHOULD keep an eye on these loonies.
Now they HAVE to. There’s no indication that the parents have remorse or that they will change their behavior.
Entirely possible. They got off easy ONCE. If TWICE happens, the Edwards need to be landed on with both feet. They deserve no further slack, and indeed, they didn't deserve any the first time around.
Remember the case in Australia with the diabetic little girl.
That was fairly recent, though I don't remember details. Still ... tragedies like these are happening entirely TOO OFTEN!!!
Oh, NO! Can't do that! That would be ... [GASP!] ... BLASPHEMOUS!
It's astonishing how so many people can be so delusional even when the lives of their children are at stake. I've lost count of how many tragic stories I have read that are similar to this one.
Back in the late 80's or early 90's, a TV movie "Promised a Miracle" told the story of a couple who not only let their diabetic son die by halting his insulin, but also expected him to rise from the dead "like Lazarus" and come home. SMH
They don't care or value life because all that matters is the afterlife.
They value their own lives though. Because somewhere deep down they don't believe in the afterlife either.
An afterlife that is totally nonexistent.
Half the voters in the USA are living in a dream world. One where they are saving America.
The country will be gone before they wake up.
There was a similar case in Redding, CA around 7-8 years ago. Parents were part of one of those really weird churches - conservative xian, of course, and their little toddler daughter died after this candidate for ‘father of the year’ decided to rely upon gawd to cure her from some infection/virus (because of course the child’s mother didn’t get a vote; only dad!). They and their crazy enablers elected to keep the child’s dead, rapidly decomposing body in the un-air-conditioned church for weeks, asking for the other congregants to pray her back to life. In the summer. In California. Where it tends to be hot.
When that inevitably failed, they finally got her buried, but not until her body had been subjected to intense decomposition, would have smelled terribly, and would likely have attracted flies.
I can’t imagine doing something like that to the body of someone I loved!
There was also that couple who fed their dying child honey with spicy peppers and such while he was suffering lockjaw and seizures. I forget when and where, but they actively made his suffering worse.
I remember that one! Wasn’t there also one in Alberta or Saskatchewan where the evangelical/conservative xian parents had a kid who had type 1, insulin dependent, diabetes and refused to give him his insulin because gawd, I guess, and also physically beat the boy, verbally bullied him, scapegoated him, and starved him. He was less than half the weight that he should have been, had huge, deep bedsores, and some of his muscles were literally liquified at his death.
If I recall correctly, his religiously delusional ‘parents’ also did an infuriatingly, insultingly short prison sentence. Christian privilege sucks!
JFC….
I am a former child abuse investigator and worked for the Iowa Department of Human Services for over 22 years. I personally investigated cases like this and we had some cases of child endangerment due failure to provide medical care for religious reasons. In some cases the parents were charged and tried. I have never seen such a BS sentencing like this case. Children have died because of the prayer instead of medicine belief. It goes back to the likes of Jimmy Swigert and Oral Roberts and Benny Hinn faith healing crap. I came out of this Christain fundamentalist cult stuff and this "church" is the same type of cult. Shame on that court ruling.
With your real life on the job experience, it must really hurt to see these atrocities and watch them go unpunished, Randy.
God just needed another angel. They prayed and god answered, no.
And now they’re martyrs for the church. Pretty soon they’ll be sainted.
Only 30 days is miracle #1.
They live a biblical lifestyle but "According to church members, children raised in the church attend public schools,"
I bet they also wear modern clothes bought in shops and not made at home by the girls/women. They use electricity and have cars...
Cults are always irrationally selective.
That's part of how leaders check their control - to see if you will follow an irrational split. Of course we want our kids schooled in modern biology, we just don't accept the germ theory of disease.
...and as I write that, I realize we have a head of HHS who pretty much fits that description. Sigh.
I’m not sure RFK Jr fits any description. He may be the most bizarre person to ever hold a cabinet position. A man not even his mother could love, now a Greek god to the MAGATS. Thankful, he is only in charge of the insignificant task of managing the nation’s health.
Check out an article on the Science Based Medicine website (a couple of days ago) which discusses RFKjr's opposition to the germ theory of disease and where that comes from. I knew some of that info, but the article is qute thorough. The faith healers/child murderers are probably operating off similar beliefs, with a hefty dose of eugenics tossed in.
If your religion is more valuable than your children, let someone who cares about their well-being raise them. It's the ethical thing to do. Go to church and have a great time with your delusions.
Really enjoy that good feeling of magical thinking.
Just don't inflict it on the defenseless.
Brain catapillar.
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Jaundice happens with newborns. It's treatable unless you ignore it. That's why you have to make a doc visit or get a midwife in the first 24-36.
Preemies have lung problems. Lungs are the last organs to mature. Again, mostly treatable and life threatening if not.
Storytime: During the beginning of the AIDS epidemic, I had a baby at 25 weeks. Baby needed blood transfusions, before you were allowed to give your own or a relatives blood. There were HIV transmissions in the community at the time and screening was years away.
For about 5 minutes I tried to get my own blood used, blood bank said no dice. The doc said he would take baby away right now if I didn't sign.
He was absolutely correct.
Really it took me a few minutes to realize I was too sick to make the right decision.
Um. I searched Duckduckgo for 'terrain theory' and mostly got pages for 'germ theory denialism.' Searching for something like that on YT is always going to yield odd results, their search engine is intended to make YT money, not find what you're looking for as far as I can tell.
I wonder. If the kids from that church are going to public schools, are they vaccinated or are the the next measles outbreak waiting to happen?
Well Oregon permits non-medical exemptions, so I'll bet dollars to donuts that they applied for and received one.
Find me one reference to public schools in the bible. Excuse me if I go watch and movie and do some knitting whole you do 😁
One wonders if they brush their teeth daily...
Look at their well styled hair* and beard*. They definitely do.
* Not biblical either. I' am willing to bet this Jezebel doesn't cover her hair with a veil, like it's prescribed.
Didn't Paul have a thing about women covering their hair? 🤪
Being, allegedly, a Jew impregnated with Greek culture, the opposite would be surprising.
Is it just me, or has time started flowing backwards in the USA? Is that Putin's plan to keep Trump in power for the next 60 years?
Trump's health being what it is, he'll be lucky to last 60 WEEKS, never mind 60 years. 😝
They'll just put him under glass like Lenin and give orders to the successors.
That didn't work so well after Lenin ... considering who followed after him!
*sigh* There are cons to both sides. One Trump lives to traumatize and screw over innumerable people. Trump dies and we get the dead-eyed faux-hillbilly, who strikes me as just as vicious and evil and cruel as his superior, if not more so, and far more cunning.
It’s the Heritage Foundation that needs to die.
And the Federalist Society.
https://www.cpr.org/2025/09/10/evergreen-high-school-shooting/?fbclid=IwdGRjcAMu5m9leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHpD6KpaqR_1WyIBYMv89Axl0dCse-ah1fH3z-_9zbNYm91ce8bXDPCSEWjS5_aem_w2xjn6CtlaxBXi2HNz47eA
Another school shooting. Here’s where my sympathy for gun violence victims goes today.
I graduated from Lakewood High school, about 20 miles away.
OT- Charlie Kirk gets an unscheduled lead injection: https://apnews.com/live/utah-valley-university-charlie-kirk-shooting-updates
No word yet on whether or not the bullets are OK.
He got shot "near the neck" – well, his head is a big enough target.
I used to think that making jokes about people who were either dead or injured by some lunatic was a bad thing. But Kirk and his kameraden, are simply beyond the pale.
His life's work is hurting people and breaking things. He's one of the most prominent drivers of this bullshit culture war we've been forced into. I don't know the shooter's motives, so I won't speculate on that... but the world will be an objectively better place if that rancid piece of fascist shit snuffs it.
His face is safe. (Big head, tiny face.)
Dear Charlie
Thoughts and prayers, motherfucker.
Didn't work.
Some hero shot a Nazi.
that a shame. what everybody having for dinner?
I have a roast on.....
Just reminded me I must get something out of the freezer. Not sure what yet.
Edit: chili con carne. I'm trying out a new supplier of beef mince.
Wild on or farm-raised on?
Farm raised beef.
Hmm... feels like a pizza sort of day, to me.
Did pizza last night. I'm going with an Italian farro soup.
Having another Aria day this month. I ate what I have at home (chips, cookies, bread, gyozas...) since very early this morning. I just gave up and ordered two pizzas.
*Sigh.
Pizza, Pizza!
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Worst. Pizzas. Ever. Way too greasy/oily.
don't remember who said but but little sleazars.
I tried their bacon-crust pizza once. Once.
know I am grilling some chicken thighs, not sure what else I am having.
Found some harissa seasoning a little while ago and used that on grilled thighs. Really good.
We made roasted chicken thighs over potatoes and onions the other night.
For me, pizzas are a Friday thing. 🙂
what on the menu for Wednesday's?
Still open at this time. Could be almost anything.
Wednesday is Prince spaghetti day.
Wednesday is sundae at Carvel.
Do you think I absorbed a lot of marketing during my childhood?
Red beans and rice with kielbasa.
youtu.be/BSMHTucSd5k
Sooooo, Chuckster...
Still feel the same way now?
Well, I see Kirk finally reaped what he sowed after I logged off for a bit.
Time for a tune on my incredibly tiny violin.
Beat me to it. Nice!
Apparently he's dead. Not sure jokes are appropriate for dead people, and I can't think of any anyway.
I wish I could say that I condemn political violence, and that I hope the shooter is brought to justice.
But I can't say that, and I 𝘥𝘰𝘯'𝘵 hope that.
I hope the shooter is never caught. I hope the case goes forever unsolved. I hope that every other asshole fascist grifter like the late, unlamented Mr. Kirk has to live out the rest of their days looking over their shoulder, wondering when it'll be 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘪𝘳 turn- because that's the state of being they've inflicted on me and mine, and they fucking well deserve a taste of their own bitter medicine. This is the world they wanted. This is the world they built. This is the violence they demanded. Let them choke on it.
Well he was a Fascist, a Christian Dominionist, and was absolutely against gun control. So I must say I can't get too upset. In fact I'd probably piss on his grave if it wasn't so far away.
WHERE will it be? How long a line will i have to be in to shit on his grave. Er, skip that. There is DNA in shit. And piss. Far safer to empty thed litter box on his grave so deep they need a very large bulldozer or payloader and trucks to haul it away.
"Borrow" one of those port-a-potty vacuum trucks and reverse the flow.
If caught, how about the same punishment as George Floyd's murderers.
The same punishment that the Edwards got for Hayden's post-birth abortion. It's the same crime after all.
Police now say they have a "person of Interest" in custody.
Let's see how this plays out.
Knock knock.
Who's there?
Not Charlie Kirk.
😁
Not only is the antiabortion hypocrisy important to point out here, but also the disdain that culture in USA seems to have towards women who choose not to have children. I have been asked if I hate children jokingly but not jokingly on many occasions. They are so silly! I can use that “kid money” now to donate to organizations to help children already Born (which I do) and most importantly the cats 🐈⬛
I love my niece and my nephew, and I can give them back to my sister. It's a win-win situation.
Linda, what’s this about CATS ?
Where I live, there is between 500,000-1 million stray and feral cats living on the streets. Many were pets folks could no longer afford to take care of because veterinary care is too expensive like everything else. So, we cat lovers help out however we can 🐈⬛
This is OT, but, the corporate takeover of veterinary medicine has absolutely ruined it. No longer are Vet’s or their staff available after 5 PM for medical emergencies. Now, you must pay an extra
$500 to go to an after hours emergency hospital. That’s $500 on top of the charges for any care your animal receives. Offices are understaffed.
Appointments are weeks out. Just the way the corporate oligarchs like it.
Our Vet’s office went corporate (VCA) years ago and the service slipped significantly. Recently, our veterinarian opened his own office, without “corporate bottom line” oversight. I was overjoyed to move the accounts for both of my doggos to his new office. Now I can get appointments today or tomorrow with no problem. And yes, he’s available for health emergencies.
Yep yep! That’s why pets get dumped on the streets. You can’t blame them. Many will still try and feed their pets before themselves!
DM and me would never have abandoned ours, and Aria needed 600g/1.5 pound of meat a day to maintain her weight.
We've had our vet for years now. The practice is both for house pets and large animals, and they have been TERRIFIC, caring and engaged.
Wow. DM and me didn't pay that much when we had to call* Vetoadom, and they are expensive (but worth the bill).
*Like the time Aria cut the skin on Rhapsodie's head at past 10 pm. 10 staples and a bill between 350 and 400 €.
The cost of veterinary care is really out of control. Owners face very stressful decisions about medical care for their pets when the cost is prohibitive. Many animal owners are on fixed budgets. Thousands of dollars in veterinary bills create a tremendous hardship.
Another case proving that medical care FOR PROFIT is destructive.
We haven't had any problems with VCA. I did not realize it was national. I thought the 2-3 in or area was it.
The people there have been great. I’ve been with my local VCA for years, since they bought out the previous owners business. The staff went with the deal, so, of course we stayed with them.
I know, I’m a boomer and lived in olden times, but it really wasn’t that long ago that veterinary clinics were accommodating to clients with pet emergencies. I’ve had it happen twice to my doggos and both times, VCA, who I had been with for many years (and many dogs) turned me away. The best they could do was see us in a day or so. No, they send you to their affiliated emergency clinic, where you need $500 just to be seen.
It’s obscene and it’s another corporate racquet.
Just wanted to add that what's happened to veterinary medicine is now happening in the medical fields for people, too.
Yep, I'm terrified.
They are all 'cash registers'.
I am a 🐕person, but I don't like to see any animal suffer.
Thanks Linda,
“During the last century, global domestic cat numbers rocketed past 200 million, along with a surge in cat diseases and numbers of feral cats and sick, injured and malnourished cats.”
The above is a quote from the most amazing book titled 'Among the Pigeons' … it should be compulsory reading for EVERY HUMAN on this planet, and probably other planets, and not just for cat lovers.
Among the Pigeons eBook : John L. Read, Author
https://www.amazon.com.au/Among-Pigeons-John-L-Read-ebook/dp/B085LB5L4L
Another candle to add to those who died of a treatable condition/disease. One day, they will be visible from Mars.