I want Mo'Wack to walk into any pediatric cancer ward with a local news crew (not hand-picked church flunkies) and do his ooga booga. Bet he'd find an excuse not to.
If there were a real Jesus we wouldn't need St. Jude's. If there were a real Jesus, we probably wouldn't even have cancer.
But none of the foregoing is true. There is no all-powerful Great Physician, there are no faith healings, there are no miracles. Just sleazy con-men carnival barkers who know how to fleece the flocks without them even noticing.
Of course he would, trusting in the fact people wouldn't know there's a difference between putting prophets to the test, which God absolutely approves of, and putting God to the test.
I've always found it strange how churches own some hospitals. Yet they never have faith healers in them. I think the illogic of that scam is so they can claim their sky daddy guided the hands of those doctors. Or some kind of illogical nonsense.
Who says doctors and modern medicine aren't what God uses to heal when earthly means are capable of doing the healing? I'm not saying God guides the hands of doctors; I'm saying doctors (and nurses and technologists and other medical professionals) have the knowledge and skills necessary, and the drugs and medications are out there. 100% earthly means to achieve healing. God just lines up circumstances and timing so it happens. I'm not saying that is what happens, only proposing it as a possibility. It's also entirely possible there's no deity involved.
Where was God when there were no earthly means to heal? Was he busy lining up the "circumstances", by giving people the actual diseases, to make scientists discover treatments? Or is he giving people cancer on a gambling bet with the devil, like he did by killing all of Jobs innocent children? I'm not saying that's what's happening, but he'd be a big dick if he was.
If he is really so delusional that he believes what he's saying that's one thing, but if it's just an act designed to separate the gullible from their money it is infinitely worse. Religious scams abound, and the burden of proof is on him. Don't hold your breath.
Seems like if this story was true, organized crime, or the "super-rich and afraid of death" (which seems to go together) would have him locked up in a cage somewhere a mile underground.
Also Stephen King's miniseries "Golden Years." Sort of. The protagonist isn't immortal. He's aging in reverse and is on the run from an operative working for "The Shop" (remember them from "Firestarter?").
TLDR: Some of them are intimately aware of what they are doing and the harm they cause, they simply don’t care. Others are true believers that are disgusted by the former. Unfortunately they don’t realize there is no difference.
Back when I was a Christian I went to a youth conference. One of the speakers there was a former Methodist minister. He told a story about how he and his wife witnessed a “healing” service in a Methodist mega church. His recounting was that large security types dressed as ushers hoisted a man up from his wheel chair and toted him around while the evangelist screamed about healing into the microphone. That man left in his wheelchair. The speaker and his life were scandalized. They left the entire Methodist movement after that. They said they were chasing what was real. Obviously they had yet to find it back then, and probably not now either (the speaker had a very cushy job with an evangelical college). The long and short of all that is some of them are intimately aware of what they are doing and the harm they cause, they simply don’t care. Others are true believers that are disgusted by the former. Unfortunately they don’t realize there is no difference.
The definition of hell itself: you've just ended it all to get away from the preaching, and then the preaching brings you right back for more. Horror movie stuff, right there.
In the Staggering Stories of Ferdinand de Bargos ,Dr Arnold MacFadeyan (Glaswegian Hyper-genius) raised JFK and Marilyn Monroe from the dead! It's the episode "of JFK" and you can usually find it on YouTube, so there's real evidence!
I remember watching one of Christopher Hitchens' debates, don't remember which one, where he said, "The first time you accept something without evidence, you'll fall for anything." These are THE most gullible people on earth.
If the dead had been ill with cancer when they died, would they scream at the person who brought them back “I escaped it and now I have to suffer more because of you?”
I'm going through the process of getting a death certificate for my mom. Lots of hoops to go through. I can't imagine the number of hoops for an undead certificate
Oh, what? .... there are no death certificates .. nevermind.
It's funny. I was a fundamentalist Christian for over thirty years who believed in miracles and that God was still working today and I've never seen a miracle.
I've heard stories about a lot of them, of course, not I've never actually seen one. The stories were always second or third hand, friend of a friend. Never personal. Never eyewitness. I've never met a man who was dead and came back to life. I've never met a paraplegic person who was walking around healed. Tens of millions of Christians will die this year. Millions will come down with disease and suffer for days to decades.
Even the purported miracles of the gospel were done in public, even the ones in private. Sure Jesus was said to have raised Jairus' daughter with only her family and the disciples present, but people knew the girl was dead and would see her walking around later.
Just fucking stop lying. Just stop it. If God and Christianity and religion cannot stand on its own without lies, then it's not worth lying for. You're a cheap suit and a cult leader.
So now they're raising people from the dead, eh? Got ONE WORD for you, Wommack: "PROOF." I want to see PROOF, as in qualified witness, preferably medical professionals. I don't want to hear about: "They were non-responsive," and then somehow they were. I'm talking about a flatline cardiac signal, otherwise known as "asystole," and for more than five minutes. All the circumstances, as well as EVERYTHING that was recorded on their medical charts.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, bubby, and I'm willing to bet you ain't got the goods.
"I refuse to prove that I exist,'" says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
"But," says Man, "The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED."
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
Believers all say that ... while talking on their cellphones, driving in their cars, guided by GPS, and living their lives, denying the science that improves them because it depends on PROOF.
Let's see if Mr. Wommack is willing to let a volunteer from his audience of true believers strangle him then bring him back to life after, say, eight hours.
GLODDAMMITTT! THIS IS WHAT I HAVE TO WAKE UP TO IN THE MORNING?
I’ve been good. I made a nice dinner last night. My eye infection is getting better. I haven’t even gotten a parking ticket. And…
GLODDAMMITTT! THIS IS WHAT I HAVE TO WAKE UP TO IN THE MORNING?
“WOMMACK: We’ve seen… I’m guessing now… I haven’t sat down and counted. But I could say: We probably have seen four or five people raised from the dead right here on our campus.”
He’s guessing. Something as stupendous as a mere human raising people from the dead, somebody nobody has done since Jesus*— not merely dead, or even nearly dead, but really most sincerely dead— and he hasn’t sat down and counted how many there were. He’s just guessing. So four or five, somewhere around there, and right there on their campus.
But he’s just guessing.
And this? “ Peter] had been dead over four hours. He was already stripped naked—he was a white boy, he turned Black—and he had a toe tag on, stripped naked on a cooler, in a morgue, and he had already been pronounced dead and put in a morgue.”
No, nothing creepy about that. Nothing creepy at all. Not creepy. It’s not. Creepy. Even if Wommack isn’t a youth pastor. It’s not creepy.
The thing that pisses me off about this garbage is that decent christians are just laughing about it, saying “them Fundies. ain’t they funny?” concerned evangelical are saying nothing about it, because it makes them look entirely stupid if they support it, and they know it. But it makes them look like traitors to the evangelical cause if they do say something about it, and they’re not going to take a chance with that. Actually talking sense might discredit their entire movement, and then what would they do for power and money?
It’s always about power and money. I’ve been saying for years it’s about power, money, religious Dominion, and in the age of Trump, revenge on everyone that is ever looked at them with anything but abject obedience, submission, servility, and docility.
But it is clear that it is about one more thing: CORRUPTION.
* or before Jesus or during Jesus, but I’m not here to quibble
Wommack loves the poorly educated likely for the same reason that Donald Trump does: you can tell them anything and they sop it up like a dry sponge.
In an age of science and information, I'm not sure we can afford this level of stupidity and purposeful ignorance anymore. It costs us too much in too many different vectors, and it holds us back individually and collectively from what we could be.
The base problem is that the same people are disinterested in actual learning. What you do about that, I don't know.
Andy.... oh honey, I'm so sorry to break it to you, but those people weren't dead- that's just what they told you so they wouldn't hurt your feelings. They all "came alive" at the end of your sermons because they were 𝘴𝘭𝘦𝘦𝘱𝘪𝘯𝘨 through them.
How convenient that a baby died the same day as the conference and the mother knew they were there and performing miracles. Unless that baby was dead for a few days and she was waiting for the conference. Gives new meaning to the lyrics from Neil Diamond’s song Brother Love’s Traveling Salvation Show.
As an aside, some show on PBS played an old interview of Diamond a while back. From maybe 20 years ago. Diamond recounted how he was going to Nashville to record because a producer he admired had agreed to work with him. Recording sessions usually did 3 songs and Diamond had only 2. So he sat in his hotel room the night before and tossed off a third one as fast as he could. It’s called “Sweet Caroline.”
I want Mo'Wack to walk into any pediatric cancer ward with a local news crew (not hand-picked church flunkies) and do his ooga booga. Bet he'd find an excuse not to.
No. He should bring back Dolly Parton. Then I'd be a believer.
Trouble is, she died of cancer. If she comes back, the cancer comes back. She'll suffer again and will die again. No one should want that.
But don' cha know that Womack can heal people of any illness with the power of Jeebus?
If there were a real Jesus we wouldn't need St. Jude's. If there were a real Jesus, we probably wouldn't even have cancer.
But none of the foregoing is true. There is no all-powerful Great Physician, there are no faith healings, there are no miracles. Just sleazy con-men carnival barkers who know how to fleece the flocks without them even noticing.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
He will quote Matthew 4:7, give them some nonsense about testing god.
As if an all-knowing, all-powerful being could ever be "tested" by mere humans. Do they not think this through?
Of course they do. That’s why they say it.
Of course he would, trusting in the fact people wouldn't know there's a difference between putting prophets to the test, which God absolutely approves of, and putting God to the test.
Hmm, I'd like to have seen him in the orthopoedic ward when I was hospitalized, "healing" the polio kids. But, nah. Even Santa Claus couldn't do that.
I've always found it strange how churches own some hospitals. Yet they never have faith healers in them. I think the illogic of that scam is so they can claim their sky daddy guided the hands of those doctors. Or some kind of illogical nonsense.
Who says doctors and modern medicine aren't what God uses to heal when earthly means are capable of doing the healing? I'm not saying God guides the hands of doctors; I'm saying doctors (and nurses and technologists and other medical professionals) have the knowledge and skills necessary, and the drugs and medications are out there. 100% earthly means to achieve healing. God just lines up circumstances and timing so it happens. I'm not saying that is what happens, only proposing it as a possibility. It's also entirely possible there's no deity involved.
Where was God when there were no earthly means to heal? Was he busy lining up the "circumstances", by giving people the actual diseases, to make scientists discover treatments? Or is he giving people cancer on a gambling bet with the devil, like he did by killing all of Jobs innocent children? I'm not saying that's what's happening, but he'd be a big dick if he was.
He must "wait upon the Lord" to choose the time and place, or some such rubbish.
This Mo'Wack tells lies that are nearly BIGGER than what your sickening CRIMINAL PRESIDENT TRUMP spews out every day.
Is there any other country on Earth that would not already have them all in jail or in a sealed rehabilitation centre ?
… 🦘🦘🦘
"I want Mo'Wack..."
Okay, I'll take "what is the funniest first three words to begin a sentence?", Ken.
If he is really so delusional that he believes what he's saying that's one thing, but if it's just an act designed to separate the gullible from their money it is infinitely worse. Religious scams abound, and the burden of proof is on him. Don't hold your breath.
If he truly believes what he says, he's a danger to others.
Andrew "Wacky" Wommack.
Good morning, Nogodz!
Seems like if this story was true, organized crime, or the "super-rich and afraid of death" (which seems to go together) would have him locked up in a cage somewhere a mile underground.
With organized crime alone, they'd see to it that he "sleeps with the fishes."
True, to not bring enemies back to life.
But I feel confident every gang boss wants to feel invulnerable.
BTW, are we meant to assume that bullet holes, crushed skulls and cancerous organs all healed when life was "Lazarus- ed"?
Point!
Basically the plot of "The Immortal" starring Christopher George. Around 1970-ish, I think.
Also Stephen King's miniseries "Golden Years." Sort of. The protagonist isn't immortal. He's aging in reverse and is on the run from an operative working for "The Shop" (remember them from "Firestarter?").
My thoughts exactly. Fucking Reagan turned the institutions out to get voters.
TLDR: Some of them are intimately aware of what they are doing and the harm they cause, they simply don’t care. Others are true believers that are disgusted by the former. Unfortunately they don’t realize there is no difference.
Back when I was a Christian I went to a youth conference. One of the speakers there was a former Methodist minister. He told a story about how he and his wife witnessed a “healing” service in a Methodist mega church. His recounting was that large security types dressed as ushers hoisted a man up from his wheel chair and toted him around while the evangelist screamed about healing into the microphone. That man left in his wheelchair. The speaker and his life were scandalized. They left the entire Methodist movement after that. They said they were chasing what was real. Obviously they had yet to find it back then, and probably not now either (the speaker had a very cushy job with an evangelical college). The long and short of all that is some of them are intimately aware of what they are doing and the harm they cause, they simply don’t care. Others are true believers that are disgusted by the former. Unfortunately they don’t realize there is no difference.
Don't worry, if you hold your breath too long he'll just pray you back to life.
The definition of hell itself: you've just ended it all to get away from the preaching, and then the preaching brings you right back for more. Horror movie stuff, right there.
oraxx,
Good morning!
I'm convinced that MAGA believes that the same LIES Trump tells us, are purest truth to (and for) them.
(I think I know where he learned that "trick".)
Sure, but did he turn anyone into a newt?
He got better.
In the Staggering Stories of Ferdinand de Bargos ,Dr Arnold MacFadeyan (Glaswegian Hyper-genius) raised JFK and Marilyn Monroe from the dead! It's the episode "of JFK" and you can usually find it on YouTube, so there's real evidence!
Do they weigh as much as a duck?
My uncle invented the henway.
I'd like to buy one, how much for a henway?
About 6 or 7 pounds.
HAR!
Good morning, RJ! Thanks!
'Mornin! 🫡
I can turn a car into a driveway. 🤯
I used to go out with a witch.
She stroked my thigh while I was driving and I turned into a motel!
And christians wonder why we laugh at them.
I remember watching one of Christopher Hitchens' debates, don't remember which one, where he said, "The first time you accept something without evidence, you'll fall for anything." These are THE most gullible people on earth.
Well, at least we bring some joy into your life. I know I do with many people. They see me and think "There but for the grace of God go I".
Ignorance and willful denial of truth does not bring joy or make the world a better place for anyone.
Even so, I wish you a good morning.
Instead of that, you should take a college level course on developing critical thinking skills.
Wow! And people wonder how Trump was elected twice. So much stupid out there it's amazing!
TRUMP: "I love the poorly educated."
We know why, Donnie.
Because they are possibly the only people dumber than he is. And that's a looooooooooooooooooow bar.
That bar's so low it's liquefied into the mantle.
😂😂😂
Half of the people are below average* in intelligence.
* or the mean or median. Whatever. A ship tonne of people are stupid.
Have any of the resurrected complained about being dragged out of heaven?
No, but Tolian Soran is still bitching about the Enterprise-B and Scotty dragging him out of the Nexus!
You're dead, Jim.
"It's death, Jim, but not as we know it."
Apologies to The Firm "Star Trekkin'", 1987.
If the dead had been ill with cancer when they died, would they scream at the person who brought them back “I escaped it and now I have to suffer more because of you?”
Found one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xddGliANJf4
Clutching their pearls (in the form of a gate)?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luu5p_ZbHAc&t=43s
I'm going through the process of getting a death certificate for my mom. Lots of hoops to go through. I can't imagine the number of hoops for an undead certificate
Oh, what? .... there are no death certificates .. nevermind.
Death certificates are real, but undead certificates? Perhaps undead certificates are found under "Not Currently Respirating."
I thought undead certificates were for vampires?
I now demand to see the undead provide documentation for their status.
Will this do as proof to get his papers in order? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL7SFGePI8o
You just have to go to the unexaminers office.
Would an undead certificate be a birth certificate?
Well, there are an awful bunch of people running around claiming they are reborn.
Reborn? No need. Some of us get it right the first time. :)
It's funny. I was a fundamentalist Christian for over thirty years who believed in miracles and that God was still working today and I've never seen a miracle.
I've heard stories about a lot of them, of course, not I've never actually seen one. The stories were always second or third hand, friend of a friend. Never personal. Never eyewitness. I've never met a man who was dead and came back to life. I've never met a paraplegic person who was walking around healed. Tens of millions of Christians will die this year. Millions will come down with disease and suffer for days to decades.
Even the purported miracles of the gospel were done in public, even the ones in private. Sure Jesus was said to have raised Jairus' daughter with only her family and the disciples present, but people knew the girl was dead and would see her walking around later.
Just fucking stop lying. Just stop it. If God and Christianity and religion cannot stand on its own without lies, then it's not worth lying for. You're a cheap suit and a cult leader.
Old Man, how much money did God take from you? That's the measure of your worth in Christendom.
. . . a person was dead, and while they were waiting on the ambulance to come . . .
Ambulances don't transport cadavers.
Picky picky picky.
So now they're raising people from the dead, eh? Got ONE WORD for you, Wommack: "PROOF." I want to see PROOF, as in qualified witness, preferably medical professionals. I don't want to hear about: "They were non-responsive," and then somehow they were. I'm talking about a flatline cardiac signal, otherwise known as "asystole," and for more than five minutes. All the circumstances, as well as EVERYTHING that was recorded on their medical charts.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, bubby, and I'm willing to bet you ain't got the goods.
Oh, you! Proof is for sissies!
"I refuse to prove that I exist,'" says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
"But," says Man, "The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED."
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
thnx to Douglas Adams.
And yet, apologists are always trying to prove that gawd exists. Quite a conundrum.
And always fail.
Always know where your towel is.
You'll be a hoopy frood if you do.
Believers all say that ... while talking on their cellphones, driving in their cars, guided by GPS, and living their lives, denying the science that improves them because it depends on PROOF.
And part of the problem is his followers are so stupid it would never occur to them to ask to see the goods.
"Whut fer? I meerkul's a meerkul! You don't question the Almighty, bub!
Let's see if Mr. Wommack is willing to let a volunteer from his audience of true believers strangle him then bring him back to life after, say, eight hours.
[𝐼]𝑓 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑤𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑡𝑜 𝑎𝑑𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑚 𝑎𝑙𝑙 𝑡𝑜𝑔𝑒𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟, 𝑤𝑒 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑤𝑒𝑙𝑙 𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑟 50 𝑝𝑒𝑜𝑝𝑙𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑏𝑒𝑒𝑛 𝑟𝑎𝑖𝑠𝑒𝑑 𝑓𝑟𝑜𝑚 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑑𝑒𝑎𝑑.
Names? Dates? Locations? Hospital records? Death certificates? Any evidence that isn't "Trust me bro"?
Coming back from near death happens all the time. Coming back from actual death has never been reliably recorded.
https://youtu.be/xbE8E1ez97M?is=sp-QOzCFFbFHHe7f
Good morning, Joe!
I'm waiting to see someone raised from the STUPID!
That might be a bigger miracle.
I'd settle for getting a few more people in key positions raised from the 𝘪𝘨𝘯𝘰𝘳𝘢𝘯𝘵.
I hear that the Catholic Church is going to canonize Trump as St. Upid.
Saint Stupid already lives. He’s the patron saint of April 1. Saint stupid says…
I know I know, but you know, you never know.
I have quoted Saint stupid for many years.
EVERYONE STOP!
We have our WINNER!!!
GLODDAMMITTT! THIS IS WHAT I HAVE TO WAKE UP TO IN THE MORNING?
I’ve been good. I made a nice dinner last night. My eye infection is getting better. I haven’t even gotten a parking ticket. And…
GLODDAMMITTT! THIS IS WHAT I HAVE TO WAKE UP TO IN THE MORNING?
“WOMMACK: We’ve seen… I’m guessing now… I haven’t sat down and counted. But I could say: We probably have seen four or five people raised from the dead right here on our campus.”
He’s guessing. Something as stupendous as a mere human raising people from the dead, somebody nobody has done since Jesus*— not merely dead, or even nearly dead, but really most sincerely dead— and he hasn’t sat down and counted how many there were. He’s just guessing. So four or five, somewhere around there, and right there on their campus.
But he’s just guessing.
And this? “ Peter] had been dead over four hours. He was already stripped naked—he was a white boy, he turned Black—and he had a toe tag on, stripped naked on a cooler, in a morgue, and he had already been pronounced dead and put in a morgue.”
No, nothing creepy about that. Nothing creepy at all. Not creepy. It’s not. Creepy. Even if Wommack isn’t a youth pastor. It’s not creepy.
The thing that pisses me off about this garbage is that decent christians are just laughing about it, saying “them Fundies. ain’t they funny?” concerned evangelical are saying nothing about it, because it makes them look entirely stupid if they support it, and they know it. But it makes them look like traitors to the evangelical cause if they do say something about it, and they’re not going to take a chance with that. Actually talking sense might discredit their entire movement, and then what would they do for power and money?
It’s always about power and money. I’ve been saying for years it’s about power, money, religious Dominion, and in the age of Trump, revenge on everyone that is ever looked at them with anything but abject obedience, submission, servility, and docility.
But it is clear that it is about one more thing: CORRUPTION.
* or before Jesus or during Jesus, but I’m not here to quibble
Wommack loves the poorly educated likely for the same reason that Donald Trump does: you can tell them anything and they sop it up like a dry sponge.
In an age of science and information, I'm not sure we can afford this level of stupidity and purposeful ignorance anymore. It costs us too much in too many different vectors, and it holds us back individually and collectively from what we could be.
The base problem is that the same people are disinterested in actual learning. What you do about that, I don't know.
There’s gold in them thar iggeramusses! Gold I tell you!
https://youtu.be/hF6gjlsXaQg
Preach!
I did. 😀
Lest we forget: Resurrection isn't even an original, solely xtian thing. Other religions have their own stories.
history.com/articles/resurrection-stories-ancient-cultures
Is there anything original in Christianity? I feel like everything of theirs has turned out to be borrowed from someone else.
Andy.... oh honey, I'm so sorry to break it to you, but those people weren't dead- that's just what they told you so they wouldn't hurt your feelings. They all "came alive" at the end of your sermons because they were 𝘴𝘭𝘦𝘦𝘱𝘪𝘯𝘨 through them.
How convenient that a baby died the same day as the conference and the mother knew they were there and performing miracles. Unless that baby was dead for a few days and she was waiting for the conference. Gives new meaning to the lyrics from Neil Diamond’s song Brother Love’s Traveling Salvation Show.
🎶 Pack up the babies and grab the old ladies
And everyone goes 🎶
Pack ‘em in ice. Amiright
As an aside, some show on PBS played an old interview of Diamond a while back. From maybe 20 years ago. Diamond recounted how he was going to Nashville to record because a producer he admired had agreed to work with him. Recording sessions usually did 3 songs and Diamond had only 2. So he sat in his hotel room the night before and tossed off a third one as fast as he could. It’s called “Sweet Caroline.”
🎵Ba-ba-baaaaa🎵
Been a while since I could toss off a third one.
Two is problematic.
Five is right out.
Oh, lovely. As if christian nationalists aren't bad enough, now Andy claims to have a zombie army of them? Sure, Jan. 😂😂😂