Submitted for your approval: Paul Ostapa, a boy in a man-suit, tasked with maintaining HVAC equipment for a major national supplier, yet apparently unable to act in a professional manner around a new hire who happened to be female. He cites a non-existent "rule" by a bigoted Christian evangelist and was initially granted a workaround ... until he was confronted with the horror of actually HAVING TO WORK WITH A WOMAN. Ultimately, he was fired.
I have to wonder just how many Mike Pences in hard hats are out there these days. Sheesh!
I knew someone like that (Muslim). He wouldn't shake women's hands. One of our main teacher* was Muslim too, and he had no qualms with touching or being alone with women. Non bigots Muslims men will interact with non Muslims women as if they were men since the religious rules don't apply to us.
* During the breaks, we would talk about history, accommodating religious rules in a secular world (and not the opposite) and food).
I'm fine with that as long as every time the woman has to move it's from coach to first class. Religious asshole wants accommodation? Stay in the sardine can.
Do you really expect a company that would accommodate misogynistic religious rules to upgrade a woman' seat ? If yes, I have an apartment with sea view in Alsace to sell.
I'm genuinely surprised that bus companies don't have buses just for Orthodox men. In Mexico City the first three subway cars are reserved for women because so many men can't keep their hands to themselves.
Possibly in defense of Mexican men: I’ve been in those subways and even if you’re as pure as the driven snow, just like me, it’s almost impossible not to feel people up.
There was, at a time*, private haredi buses companies that openly discriminated against women, so it's nothing you. netanyahou's protests sounds like PR gaslighting to me.
When I was in Israel many years ago, I sat next to an ultra orthodox man on a bus. I thought he was going to become one with the window. (I think I was in Tel Aviv)
Now, I don't know for the US but in France, it's often HR who take care of recruiting interviews, and it's mostly women. Politeness is a must. Refusing to shake a woman's hand would play against him.
It doesn’t work on Fridays, or Saturdays, or Sundays, depending on whether it’s the one and only Jewish God, the one and only Christian God, or the one and only Muslim God.
That is a pretense that they all maintain because otherwise they would have to kill each other. They are not the same God and they were only the same God briefly. But like all gods everywhere, they are created in the image of the men that create them. Christianity was a Jewish heresy where in God had a son. But Judaism had a heresy as well, that there was Mrs. God. Christianity itself contains multiple heresies. Allah is alone in his universe, so he has no Mrs. Allah or no Allah Junior
I am, as well, and yes, you are correct. From an Atheistic point of view, its the window dressing that is the issue. “I can't be right unless everyone else is wrong.”
Nah God's too busy running the entire Universe to bother with such trivialities. It's also why he doesn't intervene in sports games, despite what Christians think.
Says the one who see no problem depriving people of food and bare necessities because "someone could take advantage of a church". Look at selfishness, you should see your picture.
PS : don't you say, in a regular basis, that you don't read other people comments ?
David, I have a stack of one dollar bills in my wallet. They are there for the asking for anybody who wants one from me. If I have the slightest feeling that this person really should not get even one dollar from me, I usually don’t give one to him. But that rarely happens.And I’m sure that several of the people that get those dollar bills from me don’t deserve it, or have real need of it, and would just prefer not to have to work for a living.
But I don’t care because of a little bit of basic philosophy. those dollar bills in my wallet are there to help people. It’s not much, but it’s something. I see it as adding my little cup full of light to the general light, and even a cup full of light is better than nothing.
That's fine for you. But for me, giving scarce funds to those who don't need your help not just means that they are incented to continue their evil ways but it also means that others who need it have to do without help.
So you prefer 99 people starve because one might not deserve help. We all would rather see 100 people fed even if one person doesn’t need the help. Pretending that you are helping but trying to avoid getting taken advantage of only serves to keep people from accessing help.
Incentivizing the grift is just a lame excuse to not do the right thing. Shame on you.
…so she can counter sue for sex discrimination then, correct? Also I’m betting there were plenty of times Mr. Christian serviced a house where only a woman was at home, alone…with him.
Doubt he says "Ma'am, I need to confirm if there is a Man on the premises before I step through this door." Does he not go to homes of single women? Single moms? He's full of shit. That alone should deflate his case.
Because in his mind, being a lesbian is a sinful life choice instead of an intrinsic part of an individual's identity. And obviously, as he is a manly man she would instantly turn straight and come on to him while they're running duct work.
Jesus H Motherfucking Christ, these people are delusional.
Either delusional or psychologically repressed. Their belief system doesn't allow men to see women as equals or competent coworkers, but as chattel or beings better suited to be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. That wasn't a good look back in the days of Ozzie and Harriet or Father Knows Best.
What is it with misogynistic Christians who think everything revolves around S-E-X in some way, even when it clearly doesn't. They routinely condemn sex that doesn't involve the marriage bed yet they are obsessed with it.
I wonder. Is it Peter Pan syndrome, or is it arrested development resulting from all the dogma and doctrine that religion lays on them, coupled with an irrational fear of a hell that doesn't exist?
The self-centeredness is mind-boggling. This guy actually believes other people care whether he's seen with a woman other than his wife. Sorry pal, nobody gives a shit about you.
So, lesbians can work professionally but not straight women? That’s what his manager was saying. I’m not surprised Ostapa wasn’t moved by that argument, not for the right reasons of course, but because the fact that she’s a lesbian would be an even larger temptation for him since he would have to convert her to heterosexuality, through rape obviously. Or it’s an even more transgression against him to have to be near one of those people.
It is women’s burden to bear the expectation of not working because men cannot control themselves. They cannot be alone with women not their wife because men can’t control their sexual urges or language, so women can’t have jobs with men. They cannot be alone with women because other people would assume they have to be in a sexual relationship, because men don’t see women as equals and cannot conceive that they can have a platonic relationship with a woman. Or, they cannot be alone with women because women take advantage of men who cannot control themselves to falsely accuse them of harassment or assault. (Or it’s not false and they use this as a get out of jail free card because society is setup to believe the men over women no matter what.) Somehow men’s shitty behavior toward women is women’s fault and women’s responsibility to suffer consequences for.
If Paul cannot control himself around a female coworker, then he cannot control himself around a female customer and should not work in a business where he has to be around coworkers or customers. He is essentially unemployable. It is his problem and responsibility to manage. Your religious beliefs should not give you leave to refuse to work with another worker because of their inherent attributes, gender, LGBTQ status, color, height whatever. Fuck him and the high horse he rides.
1) He had to try to reason with a bigot imbécile, and probably never expected he would have to.
2) Like racism, sexism is imbued in western culture. I saw DM make racists comments without realizing it. I repeated them to her until she saw the difference between what she actually said and what she meant to say.
It's also the case that 'reasonable accommodation' is US law, so the manager must work to do that.
But the manager certainly doesn't have to impose any limitation on the woman for it. 'Reasonable accommodation' could be as simple as "Bob works late shift but says he's happy to work morning shift with Ms. Smith, so I'm going to switch him to morning and you to afternoons."
I sometimes think that what we really need is a PSA letting Christian men know that there are companies making locking cages for this sort of problem. If a guy cannot control himself without help, a cage seems like the sensible answer to me, but what do I know, right? Just leave the key at home, you know, with the wife or mother.
Just seems to me like it's time to try something that might actually work.
Jesus never said avoid all temptation. What he did say was if you are tempted, gouge out your eye. Take the responsibility of that temptation on yourself, don’t pass it on to your victim. But then, when has what Jesus said ever been respected by Christians.
OK, how, exactly, does 𝘸𝘰𝘳𝘬𝘪𝘯𝘨 with a woman on a two person job site give the appearance of evil? Most of those situations would still be in the presence of other trades at least. And when they aren't? So what? Adults should be able to work together when necessary. So it's nothing more than purity culture toxic masculinity bullshit. He believes that wen aren't people, but sex things. And he believes everyone else thinks the same way, so no matter how chaste and platonic the working relationship is, anyone outside will assume that the manly man that he is would automatically take sex from a woman he is alone with. Now, his employer does indeed appear to have a system in place to formally request an accommodation for his nonsense, which he failed to do. Documentation is the bare minimum he should have done
All this means is that his wife (poor thing) has bought into the purity culture horse manure as well. If he's alone in a room with an adult woman for any length of time, he's guaranteed to cheat on her. He's afraid she will leave his sorry ass if she gets a hint of him being alone with someone he sees as sexual property and not a human.
Example #29477753947 of why purity culture is harmful bullshit.
Don't you see. The woman was going to walk around in extremely skin tight booty shorts and purposely bend over while using her tools on every occassion like a constant porno. That's the only reason why females work in the skilled trades.
Ugly cunt was a county clerk aka a public officer, asshole was working for a private company. As we saw with hobby lobby and other ruling favoring discrimination, laws protecting women's and/or minorities' rights are trampled upon.
The answer I give to this case is the one I gave to anti-abortion doctors "If your work conflicts with your religious leader's made up rules, you have a perfectly valid recouse if you don't want to give up those rules, tender your resignation. Don't expect us to accomodate your nonsense."
And that should be every court's response to frivolous and vexatious suits such as Ostapa's, if he's a big boy he can quit his HVAC job and go work in an appropriate environment for him, like Chick-fil-a.
One of the original principles in John Rawls' monumental work 𝘈 𝘛𝘩𝘦𝘰𝘳𝘺 𝘰𝘧 𝘑𝘶𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘤𝘦 is that on liberty, everyone should have maximal liberty in so far as it does not impinge on the liberty of others.
Seems to me that being a responsible adult is one of the basic job requirements in any trade or profession. Also seems that this "boy in a man suit," as Troublesh00ter has aptly described, is no longer capable of maintaining even that most basic job requirement. If his capacity to perform as a mature professional is now in doubt, he should no longer be doing that job. Bust him down to being an assistant to a responsible adult until he decides to grow up and quit using his religion as an excuse for his immaturity.
Submitted for your approval: Paul Ostapa, a boy in a man-suit, tasked with maintaining HVAC equipment for a major national supplier, yet apparently unable to act in a professional manner around a new hire who happened to be female. He cites a non-existent "rule" by a bigoted Christian evangelist and was initially granted a workaround ... until he was confronted with the horror of actually HAVING TO WORK WITH A WOMAN. Ultimately, he was fired.
I have to wonder just how many Mike Pences in hard hats are out there these days. Sheesh!
I knew someone like that (Muslim). He wouldn't shake women's hands. One of our main teacher* was Muslim too, and he had no qualms with touching or being alone with women. Non bigots Muslims men will interact with non Muslims women as if they were men since the religious rules don't apply to us.
* During the breaks, we would talk about history, accommodating religious rules in a secular world (and not the opposite) and food).
Some people know how to act like mature adults. Some don't.
"I knew someone like that (Muslim). He wouldn't shake women's hands. "
The same thing occurs with some ultra-Orthodox Jews too.
The plane thing. Funny how it's always the women who have to move.
I'm fine with that as long as every time the woman has to move it's from coach to first class. Religious asshole wants accommodation? Stay in the sardine can.
Do you really expect a company that would accommodate misogynistic religious rules to upgrade a woman' seat ? If yes, I have an apartment with sea view in Alsace to sell.
Will there be sausage and flammkuchen?
It isn't just planes, women have been told to sit at the back of buses in Jerusalem - https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-754598
I seem to recollect the same thing happening on buses in the States...
I'm genuinely surprised that bus companies don't have buses just for Orthodox men. In Mexico City the first three subway cars are reserved for women because so many men can't keep their hands to themselves.
Possibly in defense of Mexican men: I’ve been in those subways and even if you’re as pure as the driven snow, just like me, it’s almost impossible not to feel people up.
There was, at a time*, private haredi buses companies that openly discriminated against women, so it's nothing you. netanyahou's protests sounds like PR gaslighting to me.
*My sources go back to between 2008 and 2013.
When I was in Israel many years ago, I sat next to an ultra orthodox man on a bus. I thought he was going to become one with the window. (I think I was in Tel Aviv)
Tel Aviv is still liberal, so I guess he didn't dare to make a fuss. Had you been in Beit Shemesh, he would have felt emboldened to harass you.
I remember one of them. She was a Shoah survivor, being discriminated in a country where she thought she would be safe was especially traumatic.
Which proved the fundamentalist aspect is the problem.
There were some Muslim women at one of my employers who would not shake men’s hands.
Now, I don't know for the US but in France, it's often HR who take care of recruiting interviews, and it's mostly women. Politeness is a must. Refusing to shake a woman's hand would play against him.
Alluh Snackbar!
Thank you, but not just before dinner.
Beat me to the Pence observation as I was typing it.
You were in good company!
Prepare to enter The Scary Door.
I probably should have thrown something in to the effect of:
That's the signpost up ahead! You're entering ... The DUMB-ASS Zone!
Apparently, repealing the 19th Amendment - Womens' Suffrage - is trending on Xitter these days...
Good grief. Bunch of idiot children who can't deal with women as equals.
Yep, if the boys can’t get with the women they want then they must be punished.
Apparently, Patriarchalism and Being an Incel dovetail... The forces of 'barefoot and pregnant need to be put down again.
I never extend my hand to a Muslim man unless he initiates a handshake. I respect their belief. It doesn’t hurt me at all.
Snowflake xtians claim to have an awesome god yet resort to secular courts to resolve issues. Is their god not available to fight for them?
It doesn’t work on Fridays, or Saturdays, or Sundays, depending on whether it’s the one and only Jewish God, the one and only Christian God, or the one and only Muslim God.
Insert Morgan Freeman voice: "They are, in fact, the same God."
That is a pretense that they all maintain because otherwise they would have to kill each other. They are not the same God and they were only the same God briefly. But like all gods everywhere, they are created in the image of the men that create them. Christianity was a Jewish heresy where in God had a son. But Judaism had a heresy as well, that there was Mrs. God. Christianity itself contains multiple heresies. Allah is alone in his universe, so he has no Mrs. Allah or no Allah Junior
What a joke. They are all Abrahamic in basis. You just can't handle that your arrived third.
I am an atheist. Mine isn't mine, and didn't arrive third, it arrived last.
Abrahamic In basis, Being about religion, can be anything. They have common characters, for sure, but that's about it.
I am, as well, and yes, you are correct. From an Atheistic point of view, its the window dressing that is the issue. “I can't be right unless everyone else is wrong.”
Fundamentalists are the problem.
Wait! If their god isn't awesome enough to keep them from being sex pests, does that mean he's not really awe...... Oops!
Nah God's too busy running the entire Universe to bother with such trivialities. It's also why he doesn't intervene in sports games, despite what Christians think.
Or shamans raping children.
I guess Trump was too busy planning how to get rid of food and medical care for poor kids to help this guy out. /s
Says the one who see no problem depriving people of food and bare necessities because "someone could take advantage of a church". Look at selfishness, you should see your picture.
PS : don't you say, in a regular basis, that you don't read other people comments ?
Don't be silly. We continue to help the poor but we try to avoid being taken advantage of.
David, I have a stack of one dollar bills in my wallet. They are there for the asking for anybody who wants one from me. If I have the slightest feeling that this person really should not get even one dollar from me, I usually don’t give one to him. But that rarely happens.And I’m sure that several of the people that get those dollar bills from me don’t deserve it, or have real need of it, and would just prefer not to have to work for a living.
But I don’t care because of a little bit of basic philosophy. those dollar bills in my wallet are there to help people. It’s not much, but it’s something. I see it as adding my little cup full of light to the general light, and even a cup full of light is better than nothing.
DM always had cash on her, and she would give it without hesitation, though she preferred to buy food and coffee.
That's fine for you. But for me, giving scarce funds to those who don't need your help not just means that they are incented to continue their evil ways but it also means that others who need it have to do without help.
It’s the chance you take when you are generous, David. Not everybody deserves generosity.
So you prefer 99 people starve because one might not deserve help. We all would rather see 100 people fed even if one person doesn’t need the help. Pretending that you are helping but trying to avoid getting taken advantage of only serves to keep people from accessing help.
Incentivizing the grift is just a lame excuse to not do the right thing. Shame on you.
It's not what you said. Again, I have the screenshots.
Edit : and being taken advantage of if the pretexte drumpster use to cut social benefits, and lay-off thousands of much needed federal workers.
Again, get a life.
Let see. I am breathing, meaning I am not dead, meaning I already have a life. Thank you for for your non concern and your conceit.
We all have lives. Lives that don't support genocide, indoctrination or imaginary sin.
As your cult takes advantage of all others.
Especially since their god created the problem intentionally and already knows the outcome since said god controls everything.
No religious people have given me an answer that is logic.
…so she can counter sue for sex discrimination then, correct? Also I’m betting there were plenty of times Mr. Christian serviced a house where only a woman was at home, alone…with him.
Doubt he says "Ma'am, I need to confirm if there is a Man on the premises before I step through this door." Does he not go to homes of single women? Single moms? He's full of shit. That alone should deflate his case.
Exactly. He's not mad at having to be alone with a woman, he's mad that he is being required to view a woman as a person and not a thing.
... ℎ𝑒'𝑠 𝑚𝑎𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 ℎ𝑒 𝑖𝑠 𝑏𝑒𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑟𝑒𝑞𝑢𝑖𝑟𝑒𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑣𝑖𝑒𝑤 𝑎 𝑤𝑜𝑚𝑎𝑛 𝑎𝑠 𝑎 𝑝𝑒𝑟𝑠𝑜𝑛 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑎 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔.
Ohhhh, BINGO! On-point! 💯 🎯 👍
Also, a person deserving respect and recognition of her right to self-integrity.
Day-um, gurl! Right over the target! 🎯
Well, it kind of sounded like they always sent two technicians, so he was never alone with a female client.
It's possible that he only works on commercial systems and not home systems.
could be. Still stinks of fish though.
[𝑇]ℎ𝑒 𝑛𝑒𝑤 ℎ𝑖𝑟𝑒 𝑤𝑎𝑠 𝑎 𝑙𝑒𝑠𝑏𝑖𝑎𝑛. 𝐻𝑒 𝑠𝑎𝑖𝑑 𝑖𝑡 𝑑𝑖𝑑𝑛’𝑡 𝑚𝑎𝑡𝑡𝑒𝑟.
Because in his mind, being a lesbian is a sinful life choice instead of an intrinsic part of an individual's identity. And obviously, as he is a manly man she would instantly turn straight and come on to him while they're running duct work.
Jesus H Motherfucking Christ, these people are delusional.
He also must have figured “Well, I’m not gonna get anywhere with HER.”
Edited to include missing word
You are correct, sir. Added.
"And obviously, as he is a manly man she would instantly turn straight and come on to him while they're running duct work."
Giving him the ideal opportunity to convert her, and relieve her of her sin.
That attitude has happened more than once to my (lesbian) girlfriend in Kentucky, as they try to rationalize converting her.
OMG! First spit take of the day! 👏👏🙌
Either delusional or psychologically repressed. Their belief system doesn't allow men to see women as equals or competent coworkers, but as chattel or beings better suited to be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen. That wasn't a good look back in the days of Ozzie and Harriet or Father Knows Best.
And it sure as hell isn't a good look now.
Amen and if need be Awomen!
What is it with misogynistic Christians who think everything revolves around S-E-X in some way, even when it clearly doesn't. They routinely condemn sex that doesn't involve the marriage bed yet they are obsessed with it.
It’s no accident that their all moral crusades involve sex in one form or another rather than hunger and poverty.
They haven't grown up yet. Fact is, they may never grow up.
Guaranteed that most of them will never grow up. Peter Pan syndrome wrapped in faux christianity.
I wonder. Is it Peter Pan syndrome, or is it arrested development resulting from all the dogma and doctrine that religion lays on them, coupled with an irrational fear of a hell that doesn't exist?
Because they are sexually repressed, it fucks them up in all ways.
Maybe there's something wrong with the air when you get so high up on your horse you get a nosebleed.
Dang, I should have had a sincerely held religious belief that I couldn’t be paid less than $200,000 annually
And every day ending in a "y" is a sabbath day so you don't have to work on that day.
Give him his job back. Partner him with a drag queen. Problem solved.
Or a christian gay man. 100 % chance of aneurysm.
Oh, BER-ROTHER! He's probably have a stroke!
And the downside would be...?
Not saying there's a downside. Just making an observation! 😉
The self-centeredness is mind-boggling. This guy actually believes other people care whether he's seen with a woman other than his wife. Sorry pal, nobody gives a shit about you.
Good.
But enough about me. Let’s talk about what you think of me.
So, lesbians can work professionally but not straight women? That’s what his manager was saying. I’m not surprised Ostapa wasn’t moved by that argument, not for the right reasons of course, but because the fact that she’s a lesbian would be an even larger temptation for him since he would have to convert her to heterosexuality, through rape obviously. Or it’s an even more transgression against him to have to be near one of those people.
It is women’s burden to bear the expectation of not working because men cannot control themselves. They cannot be alone with women not their wife because men can’t control their sexual urges or language, so women can’t have jobs with men. They cannot be alone with women because other people would assume they have to be in a sexual relationship, because men don’t see women as equals and cannot conceive that they can have a platonic relationship with a woman. Or, they cannot be alone with women because women take advantage of men who cannot control themselves to falsely accuse them of harassment or assault. (Or it’s not false and they use this as a get out of jail free card because society is setup to believe the men over women no matter what.) Somehow men’s shitty behavior toward women is women’s fault and women’s responsibility to suffer consequences for.
If Paul cannot control himself around a female coworker, then he cannot control himself around a female customer and should not work in a business where he has to be around coworkers or customers. He is essentially unemployable. It is his problem and responsibility to manage. Your religious beliefs should not give you leave to refuse to work with another worker because of their inherent attributes, gender, LGBTQ status, color, height whatever. Fuck him and the high horse he rides.
I would give a pass to the manager :
1) He had to try to reason with a bigot imbécile, and probably never expected he would have to.
2) Like racism, sexism is imbued in western culture. I saw DM make racists comments without realizing it. I repeated them to her until she saw the difference between what she actually said and what she meant to say.
It's also the case that 'reasonable accommodation' is US law, so the manager must work to do that.
But the manager certainly doesn't have to impose any limitation on the woman for it. 'Reasonable accommodation' could be as simple as "Bob works late shift but says he's happy to work morning shift with Ms. Smith, so I'm going to switch him to morning and you to afternoons."
Thanks for the explanation.
I sometimes think that what we really need is a PSA letting Christian men know that there are companies making locking cages for this sort of problem. If a guy cannot control himself without help, a cage seems like the sensible answer to me, but what do I know, right? Just leave the key at home, you know, with the wife or mother.
Just seems to me like it's time to try something that might actually work.
I'm sure there is a job opening for a men's room attendant somewhere for him.
Jesus never said avoid all temptation. What he did say was if you are tempted, gouge out your eye. Take the responsibility of that temptation on yourself, don’t pass it on to your victim. But then, when has what Jesus said ever been respected by Christians.
So the dude should wear a chastity belt at all times while on the job. Problem solved. (What a pathetic human.).
Love your nym.
𝐴𝑠 𝑆𝑐𝑟𝑖𝑝𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑒 𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑝𝑒𝑙𝑠 𝑃𝑎𝑢𝑙 [𝑂𝑠𝑡𝑎𝑝𝑎] 𝑡𝑜 𝑏𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑒𝑣𝑒, ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑒𝑛𝑐𝑒 𝑎𝑙𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑎 𝑤𝑜𝑚𝑎𝑛 𝑐𝑎𝑟𝑟𝑖𝑒𝑠 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑖𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑎𝑝𝑝𝑒𝑎𝑟𝑎𝑛𝑐𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑒𝑣𝑖𝑙 𝑓𝑟𝑜𝑚 𝑤ℎ𝑖𝑐ℎ ℎ𝑒 𝑖𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑎𝑏𝑠𝑡𝑎𝑖𝑛.
OK, how, exactly, does 𝘸𝘰𝘳𝘬𝘪𝘯𝘨 with a woman on a two person job site give the appearance of evil? Most of those situations would still be in the presence of other trades at least. And when they aren't? So what? Adults should be able to work together when necessary. So it's nothing more than purity culture toxic masculinity bullshit. He believes that wen aren't people, but sex things. And he believes everyone else thinks the same way, so no matter how chaste and platonic the working relationship is, anyone outside will assume that the manly man that he is would automatically take sex from a woman he is alone with. Now, his employer does indeed appear to have a system in place to formally request an accommodation for his nonsense, which he failed to do. Documentation is the bare minimum he should have done
𝑃𝑎𝑢𝑙 𝑓𝑢𝑟𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑒𝑥𝑝𝑙𝑎𝑖𝑛𝑒𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑢𝑟𝑝𝑜𝑠𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑡𝑒𝑎𝑐ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑖𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑡𝑒𝑐𝑡 ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑟𝑒𝑝𝑢𝑡𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑏𝑦 𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑢𝑙𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑚𝑦𝑠𝑒𝑙𝑓 𝑎𝑔𝑎𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑡 𝑓𝑎𝑙𝑠𝑒 𝑎𝑐𝑐𝑢𝑠𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛𝑠.
All this means is that his wife (poor thing) has bought into the purity culture horse manure as well. If he's alone in a room with an adult woman for any length of time, he's guaranteed to cheat on her. He's afraid she will leave his sorry ass if she gets a hint of him being alone with someone he sees as sexual property and not a human.
Example #29477753947 of why purity culture is harmful bullshit.
Women are evil. (Sarcasm)
It was Eve, after all, who first ate the forbidden fruit.
Pandora opened the box and let evil into the world.
Lolita was a 12-year-old virgin vixen who tempted Humbert Humbert.
Is more "alternative facts" required for proof?
Don't you see. The woman was going to walk around in extremely skin tight booty shorts and purposely bend over while using her tools on every occassion like a constant porno. That's the only reason why females work in the skilled trades.
And here i thought it was to be able to pay for food and rent.
Nah, it's to get an owner. There is less competition.
Ostapa went with Liberty Counsel? Did he not see how their client Kim Davis fared against SCOTUS?
I truly miss the days when Mat Staver and his mob of whackshits were just the punchline in Ed's "Dumbest Lawyer in America" jokes.
I liked it a lot better when I was sure a suit like this would result in a lecture by the judge to the plaintiff's attorney
The cases are different.
Ugly cunt was a county clerk aka a public officer, asshole was working for a private company. As we saw with hobby lobby and other ruling favoring discrimination, laws protecting women's and/or minorities' rights are trampled upon.
Shhhhhhh....
It would be interesting to know how LC negotiates with potential clients.
LC: Free!. Client: 1) what’s your record and 2) what’s in it for you?
Jesus, what a goddamn baby.
"𝘣𝘜𝘵 𝘐 𝘥𝘖𝘯'𝘛 𝘸𝘈𝘯𝘕𝘢 𝘗𝘭𝘈𝘺 𝘞𝘪𝘛𝘩... 𝘎𝘐𝘙𝘓𝘚!!11!1!!11𝘦𝘭𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘺𝘖𝘕𝘌!"
FFS, just give him his cootie shot, he’ll be fine. 😂
I bet he is an anti-vaxer, too!
Ha! You just know he is.
The answer I give to this case is the one I gave to anti-abortion doctors "If your work conflicts with your religious leader's made up rules, you have a perfectly valid recouse if you don't want to give up those rules, tender your resignation. Don't expect us to accomodate your nonsense."
And that should be every court's response to frivolous and vexatious suits such as Ostapa's, if he's a big boy he can quit his HVAC job and go work in an appropriate environment for him, like Chick-fil-a.
One of the original principles in John Rawls' monumental work 𝘈 𝘛𝘩𝘦𝘰𝘳𝘺 𝘰𝘧 𝘑𝘶𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘤𝘦 is that on liberty, everyone should have maximal liberty in so far as it does not impinge on the liberty of others.
Seems to me that being a responsible adult is one of the basic job requirements in any trade or profession. Also seems that this "boy in a man suit," as Troublesh00ter has aptly described, is no longer capable of maintaining even that most basic job requirement. If his capacity to perform as a mature professional is now in doubt, he should no longer be doing that job. Bust him down to being an assistant to a responsible adult until he decides to grow up and quit using his religion as an excuse for his immaturity.
Thanks for the nod, Elise! 👍