Here we see yet another example of Christians trying to force their presence into the public square owned by everyone. It's a win-win for them. They either get to fly their flag, or they get to play the poor persecuted victims of the godless left. Are Christian churches not adequately represented in this country as it is? Who decided what that flag should look like? What does it actually represent?
These people aren't looking for adequate representation; they're looking for sole representation. The founders did away with established religions for a good reason: it led to discriminatory treatment of all others. "Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects?" --James Madison in his Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments
There were valid and important reasons that our Constitution set up a secular government, and those reasons are just as relevant today.
The founders knew their European history, and wanted no part of the religious strife plagued Europe for centuries. The Thirty Years War in particular had a lot to do with why they gave religion no role to play in the governance of their new country.
Exactly right. John Jay, who was one of the most devout of the founders and would go on to become our first chief justice, was of French Huguenot descent. His family lost everything when the French government changed hands and catholics were back in charge. That's why, despite his deep personal faith, he understood that religion is not the purview of government and should be kept out of it.
Hu ? Huguenots were persecuted long before naboleon's coup. Their only reprieve was under king Henri IV, persecutions started again under Mary of Medicis regency and Louis XIII reign, to culminate under Louis XIV cancelling the edict of Nantes (freedom of worship, 1598) with the edict of Fontainebleau (forced conversion to catholicism, 1685).
Jay's ancestors, who became rich under protestant rule, lost everything and were even jailed when the catholics regained power under Louis XIV. The family emigrated first to England and then on to America. But the lesson of what happens when government controls religion stuck. It wasn't just a firm belief of John Jay's, it was his own family's history.
It was also the larger history of Europe as governments changed hands from protestant to catholic and back again. That was a history the founding generation knew well.
All France Kings were Catholics. The only breaks were under the Revolution, the First Republic, the Second Republic... Up until today the Fifth Republic. The rest of the time ? catholicism was the state religion, no other allowed.
Henri IV allowed the freedom of worship but he was a catholic king (he went from protestant to catholic and vice-versa, according to which parent kidnapped him as hostage, or according to his political interest).
The religious right always sees their religious agenda as more important than every issue. That's why they're known for sending Bibles to people who are starving.
But the Onward Christian Soldiers NEED a flag. Cuz they're always marching as to war. Gotta have a flag fer that, you see, we'd look pretty silly without one.
Why choose between martyrbation and pissmarking when you can have both? It's not as if the Nat-C base cares about getting a little hypocrisy in their government stew.
Again with the damned flags. When the First Amendment was written, I doubt they had flags in mind, but "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" to me means NO relationship between government and religion FULL STOP and that includes FLAGS. Ideally, both the Christian flag AND the Satanology flag should be disqualified, along with any other religious flag or pennant.
But if they going to allow ONE religious flag, they had better damned well be prepared to ACCEPT THEM ALL.
Aggree, these bloody flags and the tribalism they represent and compel people to do will be the death of us ALL and destruction of our collective environment on this small life support system call planet earth 🌏
Now, if one is a person of faith and when the Kingdom of God comes into full fruition, do you assume it will be draped in Stars and Stipes, Union Jacks, Stars of David or anything else of that nature 🤔
“ And I firmly believe that faith is going to be the basis that's going to fix a lot of the problems Martin talked about today. I think it's the lack of that faith and that foundation in this community, across the country, that is causing so many of the problems that we have today, and we have to try to return to that. So I think that's critically important.”
Here is the problem, right here. He believes that faith is going to fix a lot of problems, and the lack of faith is causing the problems.
This is precisely what someone who is a believer would say. Because he sees it from inside of his bubble and nowhere else. As a gay man,as someone who is outside the Christian bubble, I see it completely the opposite. For the more than 50 years I’ve been out and an activist, I’ve seen that the vast majority of the attacks on gay people, our rights, and our participation in society come from people with a religious perspective— in particular, fundamentalist and conservative Christianity, but also fundamentalist and conservative Islam and fundamentalist and conservative Judaism.
In short, religion, usually of the conservative variety, but occasionally not.
It is religious people that are attacking gay people for the most part. It is religious people attacking birth control, sex education, abortion, transgender people, drag queens and pretty much anything to do with sex and gender…
While also supporting the most immoral, incompetent, and corrupt person ever to disgrace the office of the presidency.
In short, I don’t see religion as solving any problems at all, but creating them constantly. And here it is again. The church of Satan is a religion in the legal sense, but they’re not worshiping a devil who causes evil. They’re not vilifying whole groups of innocent people. They are not covering up sexual abuse on an institutional basis.
So as far as I can tell, the mayor is wrong not only as a matter of opinion, but as a matter of fact.
The best policy would be to allow no religious flags, but if you’re going to allow one, then you must allow all.
"in particular, fundamentalist and conservative Christianity, but also fundamentalist and conservative Islam and fundamentalist and conservative Judaism."
They are all in dire need to learn more about their own history. One small example
In high school, I read a novel, partially based on historical facts, on two prominent figures being lovers (author interprétation, but who knows) and homo-erotic poetry was an important part of culture. I don't remember the title or the author name.
"In short, I don’t see religion as solving any problems at all, but creating them constantly."
THIS!!!!!
"While also supporting the most immoral, incompetent, and corrupt person ever to disgrace the office of the presidency."
(You left out willfully ignorant, gross and disgusting, but then again, if one included all the epithets that apply here, the list would be a mile long.)
Yes, you're right. Immoral, incompetent, and corrupt are pretty inclusive, and he is the epitome of each, but to such a degree that the words themselves pale in comparison to the reality of what he is.
This massively screwed up world is overwhelmingly the work product of believers. I know of no instance in all of human history where faith ever made the world a better place. There are, however, countless examples of unspeakable horrors inflicted on humanity in the name of faith.
If your city government allows the display of one sect's religious flag while denying that same access to others, your policy is promoting one religion over all others, and you're violating the First Amendment. If the city of Waterbury had simply followed the Constitution in the first place, they wouldn't have a giant wad religious gum stuck to their shoes right now. The Constitution says government can 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion'. That includes endorsing any specific religion. It doesn't matter how many people support flying one flag or are offended by the flying of another. The Constitution established secular government, on purpose, because they knew the consequences of government endorsed religion.
Waterbury allowed themselves to be boxed in by a few christian zealots trying to elevate their religion AND its claim on government. The Constitution prohibits that kind of government endorsement. If people get mad about that, pass out copies of the Constitution instead of indefensible ordinances.
Further Thought: Honestly, I don't care how mad any Waterbury Christians want to get about being denied flying a Christian flag in a public space. They can learn to understand that State / Church separation actually MEANS SOMETHING, and that flying THEIR flag while denying Stevens or anyone else that same right amounts to preferential treatment.
They have become so used to Christian Fucking Privilege that they are unable to see that it is preferential treatment. They just think it is an automatic part of being American. They need to be strongly disabused of that notion.
I wish at some point that someone, preferably in government, just came out and SAID THAT. "If we fly a Christian flag, that means we ALSO have to fly ANY religious flag, whether Jewish, Muslim, or Satanic. That is called 'Equal Justice Under Law.' Christians do NOT get preferential treatment, simply by being Christian.
"And we honestly do not care whether you like that or not."
Thank you! I remember hearing that song "sisterchristian" in the 80's and wondering how the hell it ever got on the radio.
Hank Hill (and you) had the right of it.
"In the King of the Hill episode "Reborn to be Wild," Hank Hill famously says, "Can't you see you're not making Christianity better, you're just making rock and roll worse," according to a quote from the show. This line is a critique of the Christian rock music scene, particularly the style of the time, which Hank views as a poor imitation of secular rock music, according to a Medium article. The episode centers around Bobby's involvement with a youth group that includes a Christian rock band, and Hank's frustration with their music and message."
What different plan could there be? Oh right. One to allow flags that the city approves of (especially the Christian flag) while prohibiting any uncomfortable reminders that religious freedom applies rto everyone.
And here the mayor gives the game away. He is enough of a Christian Nazionalist to claim Christianity as the government default instead of the neutrality mandated by the First Amendment.
And here is the counter. All or none. That is the only possible way to ensure government neutrality. Chaz gets it. We get it. Why does it take endless lawsuits against municipalities =for government officials to get it?
They piss on everything to claim ownership. I am tired of our mops smelling like their urine.
And they desire to trash the planet, to get jesus to swoop in and save them from the toxic stew they are making of the planet. All because they are afraid to die. So they believe, irrational shit.
The big difference between your flag and all those others? The latter are secular in nature, as is appropriate in a secular government.
We are not an xtian theocracy. Wanna fly that flag of yours? God only knows that there are plenty of churches in the US (the Hartford Institute estimates 370,000). You can fly as many as you want from them.
I will admit to having myself an evil little cackle whenever I see a Satanist send all the Christian creepy-crawlies scurrying for cover just by saying "boo!" You'd think it would get old eventually, but... nope, here we still are, and it's still funny as shit every single time.
Too bad the churches don’t have a place to fly their own flags that isn’t a first amendment issue. You know, some place on private property, where folks who all believe similarly to themselves gather, maybe like weekly, and where it can be seen by anyone else who passes the property. Ah well, too bad.
I know, it’s not about flying the flag but having the city promote their beliefs. It’s about getting special privileges over everyone else, bolstering their ideas about how this country is supposed to be “A Christian Nation”.
I’m surprised a Catholic mayor didn’t have a problem with the flag since it isn’t inclusive of Catholicism. But they’re generally ignorant of these kinds of infighting issues, until they’re feeling comfortable to start attacking each other.
And mayor snootypants, we don’t need more Christianity in this country, Christianity is propping up their fascist regime right now, has been the driving force of the past 20 years, if not longer, worth of domestic terrorism. It’s putting people in concentration camps, AGAIN, and killing women over reproduction. It certainly isn’t housing homeless people, feeding hungry kids, or healing the sick, it’s getting in the way of all that, and always has.
Trump likes to claim people coming in from Mexico are an invading army. The real invading army is Christians. They have invaded our government and should be treated as the traitors they are. They have infiltrated every aspect of our government despite the Constitution stating, unequivocally, "...no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States." Does this mean that no religious person could ever run for public office? Of course not. But it does mean that ANYONE who voted for someone based on religion has violated the Constitution. Repeatedly violating the Constitution, on purpose, is the act of a traitor to that Constitution. Campaigning on a platform of who is more religious is a crime against the Constitution. Raising a flag of an invading entity should be viewed as a crime against the Constitution of the United States, just as raising the Confederate flag over the Capitol was.
“Live and let live” is a repulsive foreign concept to these xtians. Why don’t they get in front of this and change the name to “Admitted Church of Hypocrisy?” Shitler would love it.
OT: Trump calls Canada “nasty” for not travelling to the United States or buying American products. Trump started this trade war and he thinks Canada should just roll over and be dominated by him. Canada should tell Trump to go shove an Ebola infected wire wrapped cactus up his wide load fat ass.
Trump lives in his own alternate reality. He's being eaten alive by both psychological and physiological conditions. He's deteriorating live and in real time in front of a worldwide audience.
Because they wouldn't shut up about Epstein, he disavowed them, called them stupid and claimed he didn't want their support. People around Trump told him that turning against his base was ill-advised, so he TACOd and is trying to win them back.
OT: Saw my first wild cybertruck today. Man are they ugly. It was on the other side of a divided highway. I just caught a glimpse of the license plate in the mirror, but I think it escaped from Minnesota.
They're all over northeast Ohio, and BUTT-UGLY. Interestingly, I've also seen quite a number of Rivian pickup trucks and SUVs, easily identifiable by their ob-round headlights ... and FAR BETTER STYLING!
I'm going to have to disagree. Its styling is better than a cybertruck, but that a pretty low bar. The headlights are the worse part. I'm also not a fan of any pickup that doesn't have a full size bed.
I would not drive in Italy if you paid me! All those macho male drivers are scary. We were on a tour bus, outside of Pisa, and a guy backed up into our bus on the freeway "because he missed his exit."
Our taxi driver from the cruise boat made his own lane off the shoulder of the road.
I have seen many around this area, there is even a dealership on the belt line. The funny thing is, I see specific ones all the time for a few weeks then I never see them again, despite not changing my routine. I wonder why that is.
Still illegal here. They were going to import one and drive it round the country, but I haven't heard anything since the original article weeks and weeks ago, probably because of all the vandalism of cyber trucks going on in Europe and the US. They seem to be heavily plugging other Teslas in my feeds though. Lots of road tests and what have you, one even from Germany. Damage control?
Here we see yet another example of Christians trying to force their presence into the public square owned by everyone. It's a win-win for them. They either get to fly their flag, or they get to play the poor persecuted victims of the godless left. Are Christian churches not adequately represented in this country as it is? Who decided what that flag should look like? What does it actually represent?
These people aren't looking for adequate representation; they're looking for sole representation. The founders did away with established religions for a good reason: it led to discriminatory treatment of all others. "Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects?" --James Madison in his Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments
There were valid and important reasons that our Constitution set up a secular government, and those reasons are just as relevant today.
The founders knew their European history, and wanted no part of the religious strife plagued Europe for centuries. The Thirty Years War in particular had a lot to do with why they gave religion no role to play in the governance of their new country.
Exactly right. John Jay, who was one of the most devout of the founders and would go on to become our first chief justice, was of French Huguenot descent. His family lost everything when the French government changed hands and catholics were back in charge. That's why, despite his deep personal faith, he understood that religion is not the purview of government and should be kept out of it.
Hu ? Huguenots were persecuted long before naboleon's coup. Their only reprieve was under king Henri IV, persecutions started again under Mary of Medicis regency and Louis XIII reign, to culminate under Louis XIV cancelling the edict of Nantes (freedom of worship, 1598) with the edict of Fontainebleau (forced conversion to catholicism, 1685).
Jay's ancestors, who became rich under protestant rule, lost everything and were even jailed when the catholics regained power under Louis XIV. The family emigrated first to England and then on to America. But the lesson of what happens when government controls religion stuck. It wasn't just a firm belief of John Jay's, it was his own family's history.
It was also the larger history of Europe as governments changed hands from protestant to catholic and back again. That was a history the founding generation knew well.
All France Kings were Catholics. The only breaks were under the Revolution, the First Republic, the Second Republic... Up until today the Fifth Republic. The rest of the time ? catholicism was the state religion, no other allowed.
Henri IV allowed the freedom of worship but he was a catholic king (he went from protestant to catholic and vice-versa, according to which parent kidnapped him as hostage, or according to his political interest).
🎯 Theocratic Totalitarianism is the goal of these fine folks.
It’s as if there are zero important issues to be working on in government, so we will start a flag war. WTAF?
The religious right always sees their religious agenda as more important than every issue. That's why they're known for sending Bibles to people who are starving.
Coming soon to a church near you - Flavored Bibles!
'CAVEAT EMPTOR' … I wonder if those ones taste like liquorice ?
They can use the pages to light fires to boil leather cover soup.
A jesus flag isn't mentioned in their shitty book.
But the Onward Christian Soldiers NEED a flag. Cuz they're always marching as to war. Gotta have a flag fer that, you see, we'd look pretty silly without one.
Do you have a flag? - Eddie Izzard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTduy7Qkvk8
Yes, no shit! But neither is the rapture, they are now adopting fan-fiction as gospel.
Why choose between martyrbation and pissmarking when you can have both? It's not as if the Nat-C base cares about getting a little hypocrisy in their government stew.
Again with the damned flags. When the First Amendment was written, I doubt they had flags in mind, but "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" to me means NO relationship between government and religion FULL STOP and that includes FLAGS. Ideally, both the Christian flag AND the Satanology flag should be disqualified, along with any other religious flag or pennant.
But if they going to allow ONE religious flag, they had better damned well be prepared to ACCEPT THEM ALL.
Silly fucking flags.
More christianist territory marking... but absolutely no other dogs had better piss on their fire hydrant.
And 𝘰𝘩𝘰𝘩𝘰𝘩𝘰𝘩𝘰𝘰𝘰𝘰𝘰𝘰𝘣𝘰𝘺 are there a 𝘭𝘰𝘵 of flags we can send up that pole, if they open that door! 😈
Let your freak flag fly!
I second this.
Aggree, these bloody flags and the tribalism they represent and compel people to do will be the death of us ALL and destruction of our collective environment on this small life support system call planet earth 🌏
Now, if one is a person of faith and when the Kingdom of God comes into full fruition, do you assume it will be draped in Stars and Stipes, Union Jacks, Stars of David or anything else of that nature 🤔
“ And I firmly believe that faith is going to be the basis that's going to fix a lot of the problems Martin talked about today. I think it's the lack of that faith and that foundation in this community, across the country, that is causing so many of the problems that we have today, and we have to try to return to that. So I think that's critically important.”
Here is the problem, right here. He believes that faith is going to fix a lot of problems, and the lack of faith is causing the problems.
This is precisely what someone who is a believer would say. Because he sees it from inside of his bubble and nowhere else. As a gay man,as someone who is outside the Christian bubble, I see it completely the opposite. For the more than 50 years I’ve been out and an activist, I’ve seen that the vast majority of the attacks on gay people, our rights, and our participation in society come from people with a religious perspective— in particular, fundamentalist and conservative Christianity, but also fundamentalist and conservative Islam and fundamentalist and conservative Judaism.
In short, religion, usually of the conservative variety, but occasionally not.
It is religious people that are attacking gay people for the most part. It is religious people attacking birth control, sex education, abortion, transgender people, drag queens and pretty much anything to do with sex and gender…
While also supporting the most immoral, incompetent, and corrupt person ever to disgrace the office of the presidency.
In short, I don’t see religion as solving any problems at all, but creating them constantly. And here it is again. The church of Satan is a religion in the legal sense, but they’re not worshiping a devil who causes evil. They’re not vilifying whole groups of innocent people. They are not covering up sexual abuse on an institutional basis.
So as far as I can tell, the mayor is wrong not only as a matter of opinion, but as a matter of fact.
The best policy would be to allow no religious flags, but if you’re going to allow one, then you must allow all.
"in particular, fundamentalist and conservative Christianity, but also fundamentalist and conservative Islam and fundamentalist and conservative Judaism."
They are all in dire need to learn more about their own history. One small example
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispano-Arabic_homoerotic_poetry
Thank you for that. It’s a lot more than I knew.
In high school, I read a novel, partially based on historical facts, on two prominent figures being lovers (author interprétation, but who knows) and homo-erotic poetry was an important part of culture. I don't remember the title or the author name.
Damn! Eye-opener!
"In short, I don’t see religion as solving any problems at all, but creating them constantly."
THIS!!!!!
"While also supporting the most immoral, incompetent, and corrupt person ever to disgrace the office of the presidency."
(You left out willfully ignorant, gross and disgusting, but then again, if one included all the epithets that apply here, the list would be a mile long.)
I thought immoral, incompetent and corrupt probably covered just about everything else. But I’m always willing to add a few epithets.
Yes, you're right. Immoral, incompetent, and corrupt are pretty inclusive, and he is the epitome of each, but to such a degree that the words themselves pale in comparison to the reality of what he is.
Do you mean to say that he’s even a failure at living up to his very negative reviews?
This massively screwed up world is overwhelmingly the work product of believers. I know of no instance in all of human history where faith ever made the world a better place. There are, however, countless examples of unspeakable horrors inflicted on humanity in the name of faith.
To be fair, they have produced some pretty swell art, architecture and music, even some poetry. But otherwise, yes.
Or hired artists to produce it. Many of whom didn't buy the bullshit, but it paid well.
👆👆👆👆👆👆👆🎯
"I put in place an executive order which simply limits flags to government flags flying [...] the Juneteenth commemorative flag."
That's an excellent policy, keep it that way. If the mayor wants to fly a religious flag, no law forbids him to fly one at his home.
Only official flags are allowed here, and nobody make a fuss about it.
I suspect they’ll fuss anyway because we’re a “Christian nation” sometime something yada. 🙄
If your city government allows the display of one sect's religious flag while denying that same access to others, your policy is promoting one religion over all others, and you're violating the First Amendment. If the city of Waterbury had simply followed the Constitution in the first place, they wouldn't have a giant wad religious gum stuck to their shoes right now. The Constitution says government can 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion'. That includes endorsing any specific religion. It doesn't matter how many people support flying one flag or are offended by the flying of another. The Constitution established secular government, on purpose, because they knew the consequences of government endorsed religion.
Waterbury allowed themselves to be boxed in by a few christian zealots trying to elevate their religion AND its claim on government. The Constitution prohibits that kind of government endorsement. If people get mad about that, pass out copies of the Constitution instead of indefensible ordinances.
Christian zealots, including the mayor, it seems.
Further Thought: Honestly, I don't care how mad any Waterbury Christians want to get about being denied flying a Christian flag in a public space. They can learn to understand that State / Church separation actually MEANS SOMETHING, and that flying THEIR flag while denying Stevens or anyone else that same right amounts to preferential treatment.
And that is UNACCEPTABLE.
They have become so used to Christian Fucking Privilege that they are unable to see that it is preferential treatment. They just think it is an automatic part of being American. They need to be strongly disabused of that notion.
I wish at some point that someone, preferably in government, just came out and SAID THAT. "If we fly a Christian flag, that means we ALSO have to fly ANY religious flag, whether Jewish, Muslim, or Satanic. That is called 'Equal Justice Under Law.' Christians do NOT get preferential treatment, simply by being Christian.
"And we honestly do not care whether you like that or not."
Fairness now = DEI
“Waterbury Christians,” good name for a grunge rock band?
Nah ... unless it's a CHRISTIAN grunge rock band, maybe ... 😝
Xtian grunge rock…it’s coming.
Oh please NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
As a Seattlelite, I shudder at such a concept. They’d mess it up, just like their fellow xtians mess up all genres of rock.
I lived in Seattle myself and am now just south of you in Puddletown, Orygun.
Thank you! I remember hearing that song "sisterchristian" in the 80's and wondering how the hell it ever got on the radio.
Hank Hill (and you) had the right of it.
"In the King of the Hill episode "Reborn to be Wild," Hank Hill famously says, "Can't you see you're not making Christianity better, you're just making rock and roll worse," according to a quote from the show. This line is a critique of the Christian rock music scene, particularly the style of the time, which Hank views as a poor imitation of secular rock music, according to a Medium article. The episode centers around Bobby's involvement with a youth group that includes a Christian rock band, and Hank's frustration with their music and message."
You misspelled cringe. De nada.
https://imgur.com/hank-hill-on-christian-rock-kujsU
𝐸𝑖𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑘𝑒𝑒𝑝 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑖𝑛 𝑝𝑙𝑎𝑐𝑒 𝑒𝑥𝑎𝑐𝑡𝑙𝑦 𝑎𝑠 𝑖𝑠, 𝑔𝑜 𝑏𝑎𝑐𝑘 𝑡𝑜 𝑤ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑤𝑒 𝑤𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑑𝑜𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑡𝑎𝑘𝑒 𝑜𝑢𝑟 𝑐ℎ𝑎𝑛𝑐𝑒𝑠 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑤ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑘𝑖𝑛𝑑 𝑜𝑓 𝑓𝑙𝑎𝑔𝑠 𝑤𝑒 𝑐𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝑏𝑒 𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑝𝑒𝑙𝑙𝑒𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑟𝑎𝑖𝑠𝑒 ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑖𝑓 𝑠𝑜𝑚𝑒𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑤𝑎𝑛𝑡𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑝𝑢𝑠ℎ 𝑖𝑡, 𝑜𝑟 𝑡𝑜 𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑒 𝑢𝑝 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑎 𝑑𝑖𝑓𝑓𝑒𝑟𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑝𝑙𝑎𝑛 𝑜𝑓 𝑤ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑤𝑒 𝑤𝑎𝑛𝑡 𝑡𝑜 𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑜𝑤 𝑜𝑟 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑜𝑤.
What different plan could there be? Oh right. One to allow flags that the city approves of (especially the Christian flag) while prohibiting any uncomfortable reminders that religious freedom applies rto everyone.
𝐼 𝑓𝑖𝑟𝑚𝑙𝑦 𝑏𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑒𝑣𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑓𝑎𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑖𝑠 𝑔𝑜𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡𝑜 𝑏𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑏𝑎𝑠𝑖𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡'𝑠 𝑔𝑜𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡𝑜 𝑓𝑖𝑥 𝑎 𝑙𝑜𝑡 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑏𝑙𝑒𝑚𝑠 𝑀𝑎𝑟𝑡𝑖𝑛 𝑡𝑎𝑙𝑘𝑒𝑑 𝑎𝑏𝑜𝑢𝑡 𝑡𝑜𝑑𝑎𝑦.
And here the mayor gives the game away. He is enough of a Christian Nazionalist to claim Christianity as the government default instead of the neutrality mandated by the First Amendment.
"𝐼𝑡 𝑖𝑠 𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑦 𝑠𝑖𝑚𝑝𝑙𝑒. 𝑀𝑦 𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑏𝑙𝑒𝑚 𝑖𝑠 𝑏𝑜𝑖𝑙𝑒𝑑 𝑑𝑜𝑤𝑛 𝑡𝑜 𝑎 𝑏𝑢𝑚𝑝𝑒𝑟 𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑐𝑘𝑒𝑟: 𝑎𝑙𝑙 𝑜𝑟 𝑛𝑜𝑛𝑒. 𝑁𝑜𝑡 𝑠𝑜𝑚𝑒, 𝑎𝑙𝑙 𝑜𝑟 𝑛𝑜𝑛𝑒," ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑎𝑖𝑑.
And here is the counter. All or none. That is the only possible way to ensure government neutrality. Chaz gets it. We get it. Why does it take endless lawsuits against municipalities =for government officials to get it?
They piss on everything to claim ownership. I am tired of our mops smelling like their urine.
He wants to do everything to not be sued, while admitting publicly that he doesn't care about the law. Smart, real smart.
Doesn’t take much effort to read between those lines, eh?
Ask me again when I will sleep more than 3 hours a night.
*Yawn*
I'm sick of this elitism from Christians. They want to mark their territory. That's why they're upset about giving the same privilege to other faiths.
The thing with their territory marking is they consider the whole damn planet their territory.
And they desire to trash the planet, to get jesus to swoop in and save them from the toxic stew they are making of the planet. All because they are afraid to die. So they believe, irrational shit.
Someone else posted this a few days ago (can't remember who), made me laugh, and since it kinda applies here, well:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Jackie+Kashian%2C+the+rapture&rlz=1CAXSDZ_enUS1160&oq=Jackie+Kashian%2C+the+rapture&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIKCAEQABiABBiiBDIHCAIQABjvBTIKCAMQABiABBiiBDIHCAQQABjvBTIKCAUQABiABBiiBNIBCTE4NDU3ajBqN6gCALACAA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:2f8dcd11,vid:RJHwBZCK2tw,st:0
To Christians...
The big difference between your flag and all those others? The latter are secular in nature, as is appropriate in a secular government.
We are not an xtian theocracy. Wanna fly that flag of yours? God only knows that there are plenty of churches in the US (the Hartford Institute estimates 370,000). You can fly as many as you want from them.
But gee whiz! That means they don't get to mark public territory! YOU MEANIE! 🤣
I will admit to having myself an evil little cackle whenever I see a Satanist send all the Christian creepy-crawlies scurrying for cover just by saying "boo!" You'd think it would get old eventually, but... nope, here we still are, and it's still funny as shit every single time.
gawd is helpless
Non-existence is a big problem for goddybitch and Co.
Too bad the churches don’t have a place to fly their own flags that isn’t a first amendment issue. You know, some place on private property, where folks who all believe similarly to themselves gather, maybe like weekly, and where it can be seen by anyone else who passes the property. Ah well, too bad.
I know, it’s not about flying the flag but having the city promote their beliefs. It’s about getting special privileges over everyone else, bolstering their ideas about how this country is supposed to be “A Christian Nation”.
I’m surprised a Catholic mayor didn’t have a problem with the flag since it isn’t inclusive of Catholicism. But they’re generally ignorant of these kinds of infighting issues, until they’re feeling comfortable to start attacking each other.
And mayor snootypants, we don’t need more Christianity in this country, Christianity is propping up their fascist regime right now, has been the driving force of the past 20 years, if not longer, worth of domestic terrorism. It’s putting people in concentration camps, AGAIN, and killing women over reproduction. It certainly isn’t housing homeless people, feeding hungry kids, or healing the sick, it’s getting in the way of all that, and always has.
When your religion is based on supernatural fantasy, it is a short hop to believing in a fascist cult…apparently.
Trump likes to claim people coming in from Mexico are an invading army. The real invading army is Christians. They have invaded our government and should be treated as the traitors they are. They have infiltrated every aspect of our government despite the Constitution stating, unequivocally, "...no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States." Does this mean that no religious person could ever run for public office? Of course not. But it does mean that ANYONE who voted for someone based on religion has violated the Constitution. Repeatedly violating the Constitution, on purpose, is the act of a traitor to that Constitution. Campaigning on a platform of who is more religious is a crime against the Constitution. Raising a flag of an invading entity should be viewed as a crime against the Constitution of the United States, just as raising the Confederate flag over the Capitol was.
Here, here!
We need to keep pushing back or the next step the rednecks does is going to be worse!
Once again, the same Christians who demand respect for their beliefs are all too willing to deny extending that same respect to the beliefs of others.
It's not the heat, it's the hypocrisy.
“Live and let live” is a repulsive foreign concept to these xtians. Why don’t they get in front of this and change the name to “Admitted Church of Hypocrisy?” Shitler would love it.
It's a dry "hate".
"I think we would all agree are universally offensive to put up there."
The Mayor needs to look up the word "universally". And probably "we" and "all".
Hizzonor the Mayor graduated from Holy Cross High School in Waterbury, a private Catholic high school.
He's a Catholic who doesn't know what the word "catholic" means?
And "offensive", and "agree".
You forgot "I think".
OT: Trump calls Canada “nasty” for not travelling to the United States or buying American products. Trump started this trade war and he thinks Canada should just roll over and be dominated by him. Canada should tell Trump to go shove an Ebola infected wire wrapped cactus up his wide load fat ass.
Trump lives in his own alternate reality. He's being eaten alive by both psychological and physiological conditions. He's deteriorating live and in real time in front of a worldwide audience.
And the Red Hat Kult still defends him.
Because they wouldn't shut up about Epstein, he disavowed them, called them stupid and claimed he didn't want their support. People around Trump told him that turning against his base was ill-advised, so he TACOd and is trying to win them back.
It’s blatantly transparent and obviously insufficient and they still don’t see it.
Stupidity is blind, so Trump’s supporters won’t see the hypocrisy and contempt that Trump and the billionaires have for them (rednecks).
He loves the poorly educated.
Why not? He doesn't need them anymore.
He still needs them for his endless grifts.
I still say his fat cankles are a sign of congestive heart failure.
He has more grease flowing through his heart than blood.
Yes, perhaps it has acted as a preservative.
Elbows Up!
They have, in their own polite way. (I'm married to a Canadian, they kill you with pc speak, and manners.)
OT: Saw my first wild cybertruck today. Man are they ugly. It was on the other side of a divided highway. I just caught a glimpse of the license plate in the mirror, but I think it escaped from Minnesota.
They're all over northeast Ohio, and BUTT-UGLY. Interestingly, I've also seen quite a number of Rivian pickup trucks and SUVs, easily identifiable by their ob-round headlights ... and FAR BETTER STYLING!
I'm going to have to disagree. Its styling is better than a cybertruck, but that a pretty low bar. The headlights are the worse part. I'm also not a fan of any pickup that doesn't have a full size bed.
"The headlights are the worse part."
As ugly as a Ford Edsel.
TMI.
http://images.gtcarlot.com/pictures/48206784.jpg
Mine has slightly different mirrors and a lot more rust.
I don't get it. Where is the bed ? And what do you do when it's cold ?
Right now, my bed is in my bedroom, but it has been in the cargo area of my pickup. It doesn't get cold in Iowa. : )
No wonder nobody drives them in Japan. You'd never get them down half the streets.
I saw Japanese families drive converted buses in Japan. Now, try to drive a pickup in Napoli 🤣
I would not drive in Italy if you paid me! All those macho male drivers are scary. We were on a tour bus, outside of Pisa, and a guy backed up into our bus on the freeway "because he missed his exit."
Our taxi driver from the cruise boat made his own lane off the shoulder of the road.
I have seen many around this area, there is even a dealership on the belt line. The funny thing is, I see specific ones all the time for a few weeks then I never see them again, despite not changing my routine. I wonder why that is.
Still illegal here. They were going to import one and drive it round the country, but I haven't heard anything since the original article weeks and weeks ago, probably because of all the vandalism of cyber trucks going on in Europe and the US. They seem to be heavily plugging other Teslas in my feeds though. Lots of road tests and what have you, one even from Germany. Damage control?
Yeah, they're ugly and designed to kill the other person in a collision.