He was the only one of the three to show a modicum of remorse, and the judge took that into account for his sentence. He has a shot at parole, but it remains to be seen if he’ll ever get it.
It disgusts me that you can find faith healers online, in podcasts, on TVs and in arenas, but you never find any of them in a children's cancer ward. If I truly thought that I could heal with nothing but a touch that is where you would find me. Either there or in some lab jumping through whatever hoop the doctors and scientists thought was necessary and agreeing to all terms and conditions they put up as long I got the chance to send all of those kids home to lead healthy and happy lives. That you can't find a single faith healer there doing the same thing is proof enough that it is all a bullshit scam designed to separate the faithful from their money in the most dangerous way possible.
We won't have those statistics until they add a "faith healer" category to the admission forms as they already have for other patient characteristics such as race. However, I suspect that the percentage is very high since being cynical in some ways I expect that many of these so-called healers are in it for the money.
In the cult I was raised in most of the parents who denied medical care for their children were using medicine of some form for themselves and animals. My brother and his wife let my 2 yr old nephew die of pneumonia then went to doctors for their own illness. They are hypocrites when faced with their own mortality.
We nail to the wall pharmaceutical companies which make false claims for their treatments. Unfortunately, because religion is involved, we don't do the same with faith healers. In my opinion, one good result from the increasing secularization of America is that we will get to the point of not giving something a "give out of jail free" card just because it's religious.
The politicians and their fellow christians seem to love giving them free reign in private, so at least I am advocating for beneficial and supervised interaction that shouldn't leave anyone scarred for life.
After a school shooting, several FL politicians suggested having armed volunteers, who have passed a background check, patrol schools to prevent another incident. My reaction was, "Great, so you want armed pedophiles inside the schools. It's not like every pedophile has a criminal record of it."
"You know, God gave me a dream back in 2013 or 2014."
It always kills me how vague these people are about what, if it were true, would be the most life-changing of events. Seriously, if God gave me a (verifiable) dream of great importance, I'd be able to narrow down the time it happened to closer than a year or two. (If God existed. Which he doesn't, of course. But if he did.)
He can't even tell the difference between a dream and a "vision."
A dream is merely the mind playing tricks on a person with imaginary events. A "vision" imagines something to be true, such as a Walt Disney making his "visions" a reality. By telling everyone that his imaginary deity sent him a dream, this medic unintentionally admits that everything in that dream is all in his head and in no way real.
I think our present situation with the medical and healthcare system is sufficient evidence that prayers to an imaginary healer are as worthless as Christian credibility. In spite of all the mega-preachers like Copeland, et al, who have publically declared the covid-19 virus to be dead, it is still killing the faithful at greater numbers than any other segement of the population. I include all the unvaccinated in that guesstimation.
Supposedly, healing comes from their god, which is no respector of persons, so why would trainking be necessary for 'faith healers?' Who, besides God, would be authorized to mete out the 'gifts od the spirit?' Faith healing has only ever been a money making gimmick for preachers and grifters.
This would be an excellent time for them to jump into the fray, though. My wifw had a stroke on 12/26, she stayed on a gurney in the ER for three days before a bed in an ICU could be located. We brought her cremated remains home yesterday. I'm sure the hospitals around the globe would appreciate anyone able to relieve this situation.
edit: There is nothing unique about our experience. It is a national disgrace that people refuse to be vaccinated or take any other precautions to protect themselves and then fault everyone else that the virus has not yet been cured.
Sincere condolences and sympathies for you. I lost my wife a couple of years ago, and I know how you must feel right now. I hope you are surrounded by people who love you.
Thank you very much. I am surrounded by a great support system.
We may never know how many times our experience is repeated daily, which was the point in sharing that. The people who deny that covid can kill, the anti-vaxers, the maga troglodytes seem to have priority access to health care. Yes, I'm pissed.
If believing in god would really heal everyone, why does the Vatican still need healthcare? Or why do evangelical preachers end up in the hospital? Even faith healers go to doctors when they get sick. I mean, really the number of super devout and believers in faith healing that wear glasses should be an indication that believing super hard in God does not eliminate the need for a healthcare system.
Single payer is the way to go, like the rest of the developed world.
It’s like all the coworkers who donate their unused sick days for their peers to get treatment for cancer or other catastrophic ailments. It’s a feel good story when it happens. But only if you ignore all the greed and apathy that leads to folks being put in that situation.
However, many of the people who believe in faith healing also believe that it is ALWAYS God's will to heal people and so the fault must be in the patient. It broke my heart when I was visiting a church and a woman was in tears because her husband was dying from cancer and all the prayers weren't helping and so she was blaming herself for her lack of faith. I never returned.
There was another church I was visiting where people were being "slain in the spirit" and based upon my experience and training in Psychology it appeared to me to be no more than emotional manipulation. When the preacher announced "May all the forces of Satan leave this assembly!", I figured that was my cue and I left. No lie.
Officials in Maricopa County this week released a detailed rebuttal of the claims the Cyber Ninjas made casting doubt on the validity of ballots. After assessing the Cyber Ninjas' findings, county officials concluded that 76 of their 77 claims were false or misleading.
Meantime, a judge in Arizona's Maricopa County Thursday held the company in contempt and ordered it to pay $50,000 per day in sanctions for failing to provide records related to the so-called audit to the Arizona Republic, according to a report in the Republic.
- My culture is dying around me: Poitier, White, etc.
- super storm trashed my County: Nevada, CA .. 6k still without power .. 200k for all CA .. I got lucky and PG&E workers are doing a _great_ job and the skiers are happy
- my phone service trunk line is down .. no landline or dsl
--- lemonade moment: switched to verizon hot-spot; i'net now 3+x faster !!
- Musk-Rat bumped me from Dec '21 to Dec '22 for Starlink install
OTOH: all-in-all, I feel fortunate and all above are 1st world and old-age problems AND maybe it will just be January ......
That's true, but there was a bit of spacing between her and Bogdanovich. Usually these things are back-to-back-to-back, one day to the next to the next.
If faith healing really worked, why would it need a building at all?
By all means, believers. Stay away from hospitals and modern medicine. Let Jeeeeeezus cure all your ills. You do have faith the size of a mustard seed, don't you?
I learned this year that those I owe money to at the time of my death would only be able to file with my estate to be paid back and if there is nothing in the estate to cover it then they are out of luck. My family cannot be forced to pay it.
Being older, I've told my wife to just put in me in a large Hefty garbage bag and set me out with the recycled material bin for the pickup. It's a lot cheaper. Instead, they should take the money saved and go off to Walt Disney World.
So this man is saying that if you are shot or stabbed or have some other injury where you are losing blood then you should stop and pray and gawd will heal you if you believe? I want to see him try it first. Surely he is willing to demonstrate his good faith to convince others, right?
Put a faith healer to the test. Tell them to walk through a children's ward and do their magic. Be sure to tell them you'll be documenting everything with both video and sound equipment.
I can guarandamntee you won't get a single taker among these frauds.
Oh, they'd have a number of excuses. You stipulate ahead of time that they will not be allowed to dispute the sound/visual evidence (or lack thereof when that faith healing inevitably fails to yield results) and they and their fakery will not be let off the hook.
OT: All of Ahmaud Arbery’s killers were just sentenced to life.
Two of them got life WITHOUT PAROLE PLUS TWENTY. They gonna rot in there.
Champagne pour tout le monde !
How can this be when they "Feared for their life"? /S – in case it is necessary. :)
They will be in a much safer neighborhood now.
Among their fellow white supremacists.
To quote a certain testy feline: GOOD!
He was the only one of the three to show a modicum of remorse, and the judge took that into account for his sentence. He has a shot at parole, but it remains to be seen if he’ll ever get it.
It disgusts me that you can find faith healers online, in podcasts, on TVs and in arenas, but you never find any of them in a children's cancer ward. If I truly thought that I could heal with nothing but a touch that is where you would find me. Either there or in some lab jumping through whatever hoop the doctors and scientists thought was necessary and agreeing to all terms and conditions they put up as long I got the chance to send all of those kids home to lead healthy and happy lives. That you can't find a single faith healer there doing the same thing is proof enough that it is all a bullshit scam designed to separate the faithful from their money in the most dangerous way possible.
I'd *love* to see statistics on how many so-called faith healers went to actual doctors when they had medical issues.
Part of the group that uses the backdoor, like anti-abortionist when an "Accident" happens.
Like male pro-life politicians who cheat on their wives and accidentally get the other woman pregnant.
100%
The cryptkeeper got called out for that once on his show and said he had enough faith to heal others, but not enough faith to heal himself.
It's not the same, when faith healers get sicks it's Satan's fault.
That must make for some interesting conversations. "No, seriously honey, Satan gave me gonorrhea for being such a good christian and whatnot." =)
A good brain washed woman can't know what are STIs.
We won't have those statistics until they add a "faith healer" category to the admission forms as they already have for other patient characteristics such as race. However, I suspect that the percentage is very high since being cynical in some ways I expect that many of these so-called healers are in it for the money.
Judging by the videos on Youtube, some of them might be in it for the chance to slap a bunch of folks around in public and be praised for it.
True, but with my looks it just gets me restraining orders. =(
My Rhapsodie was ugly (especially compared to Aria), people still wanted to cuddle her.
where do I apply?
... I need to get slapped around a bit
Ow! Ow! More! More! :D
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7718088/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
We both had the same thought after reading Pam's comment ;-))
Plus the leather and latex outfits are a bonus?
In the cult I was raised in most of the parents who denied medical care for their children were using medicine of some form for themselves and animals. My brother and his wife let my 2 yr old nephew die of pneumonia then went to doctors for their own illness. They are hypocrites when faced with their own mortality.
We nail to the wall pharmaceutical companies which make false claims for their treatments. Unfortunately, because religion is involved, we don't do the same with faith healers. In my opinion, one good result from the increasing secularization of America is that we will get to the point of not giving something a "give out of jail free" card just because it's religious.
Who would have legal standing to sue as the deceased is no longer able to do so? Who would you sue - Jesus, Zeus...etc?
The Pope, since he claims to be god's representative on Earth.
On the other hand, do you actually want to give these preachers free reign to touch children?
The politicians and their fellow christians seem to love giving them free reign in private, so at least I am advocating for beneficial and supervised interaction that shouldn't leave anyone scarred for life.
After a school shooting, several FL politicians suggested having armed volunteers, who have passed a background check, patrol schools to prevent another incident. My reaction was, "Great, so you want armed pedophiles inside the schools. It's not like every pedophile has a criminal record of it."
as Justin Peters said they should be going to hospitals to heal people
"You know, God gave me a dream back in 2013 or 2014."
It always kills me how vague these people are about what, if it were true, would be the most life-changing of events. Seriously, if God gave me a (verifiable) dream of great importance, I'd be able to narrow down the time it happened to closer than a year or two. (If God existed. Which he doesn't, of course. But if he did.)
Of course, I bet there is no mention of this dream in the 7 or 8 years since he supposedly had it.
yeah, should have been important enough to write down, I mean, ffs, it was from GOD-dah !!
He can't even tell the difference between a dream and a "vision."
A dream is merely the mind playing tricks on a person with imaginary events. A "vision" imagines something to be true, such as a Walt Disney making his "visions" a reality. By telling everyone that his imaginary deity sent him a dream, this medic unintentionally admits that everything in that dream is all in his head and in no way real.
I think our present situation with the medical and healthcare system is sufficient evidence that prayers to an imaginary healer are as worthless as Christian credibility. In spite of all the mega-preachers like Copeland, et al, who have publically declared the covid-19 virus to be dead, it is still killing the faithful at greater numbers than any other segement of the population. I include all the unvaccinated in that guesstimation.
Supposedly, healing comes from their god, which is no respector of persons, so why would trainking be necessary for 'faith healers?' Who, besides God, would be authorized to mete out the 'gifts od the spirit?' Faith healing has only ever been a money making gimmick for preachers and grifters.
This would be an excellent time for them to jump into the fray, though. My wifw had a stroke on 12/26, she stayed on a gurney in the ER for three days before a bed in an ICU could be located. We brought her cremated remains home yesterday. I'm sure the hospitals around the globe would appreciate anyone able to relieve this situation.
edit: There is nothing unique about our experience. It is a national disgrace that people refuse to be vaccinated or take any other precautions to protect themselves and then fault everyone else that the virus has not yet been cured.
May her memory bring smiles.
I'm so sorry for your loss.
Thank you.
Sincere condolences and sympathies for you. I lost my wife a couple of years ago, and I know how you must feel right now. I hope you are surrounded by people who love you.
Thank you very much. I am surrounded by a great support system.
We may never know how many times our experience is repeated daily, which was the point in sharing that. The people who deny that covid can kill, the anti-vaxers, the maga troglodytes seem to have priority access to health care. Yes, I'm pissed.
My condolences for your loss.
Thank you.
Losing a loved one over the holidays just seems to make the loss all the worse.
My deepest sympathies.
If believing in god would really heal everyone, why does the Vatican still need healthcare? Or why do evangelical preachers end up in the hospital? Even faith healers go to doctors when they get sick. I mean, really the number of super devout and believers in faith healing that wear glasses should be an indication that believing super hard in God does not eliminate the need for a healthcare system.
Single payer is the way to go, like the rest of the developed world.
The number of catholic (and other religious affiliated) hospitals just don't have enough faith.
Nope, tainted by sin with insufficient repentance.
I have like 2 repentance that I am not using, is that enough to get this going?
It’s like all the coworkers who donate their unused sick days for their peers to get treatment for cancer or other catastrophic ailments. It’s a feel good story when it happens. But only if you ignore all the greed and apathy that leads to folks being put in that situation.
Yeah... whenever I see a story like that, the first question on my mind is "okay... so what happens when *they* get sick?"
It is very telling about our society that feel good stories about healthcare are newsworthy.
"...It is very telling about our society that feel good stories about healthcare are newsworthy. ..."
For a European used to a pretty good public health care system, it is outright horrifying.
.. better buy more indulgences
just sayin'
Nope, you need at least a +3 repentance.
Not a problem, I just levelled up so I'll increase that stat and up my stealth next time. That should work.
Needs a lot more. Maybe we can pool resources?
I know I have more, but I just moved and I can't remember what box I put the repentance in.
Look in the one marked other odds and ends,problem was when last I moved they were all marked that.
God answered the prayer with "no".
However, many of the people who believe in faith healing also believe that it is ALWAYS God's will to heal people and so the fault must be in the patient. It broke my heart when I was visiting a church and a woman was in tears because her husband was dying from cancer and all the prayers weren't helping and so she was blaming herself for her lack of faith. I never returned.
That's a good thing as it was definitely the "wrong" type of church.
There was another church I was visiting where people were being "slain in the spirit" and based upon my experience and training in Psychology it appeared to me to be no more than emotional manipulation. When the preacher announced "May all the forces of Satan leave this assembly!", I figured that was my cue and I left. No lie.
They are the wrong type of Christian.
I once knew a woman who believed the bullshit and actually did stop using her glasses. It didn't end well.
God is their single payer. Church attendance is their deductible.
Still wants 10% off the top if your sick or not.
Officials in Maricopa County this week released a detailed rebuttal of the claims the Cyber Ninjas made casting doubt on the validity of ballots. After assessing the Cyber Ninjas' findings, county officials concluded that 76 of their 77 claims were false or misleading.
Meantime, a judge in Arizona's Maricopa County Thursday held the company in contempt and ordered it to pay $50,000 per day in sanctions for failing to provide records related to the so-called audit to the Arizona Republic, according to a report in the Republic.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/07/politics/cyber-ninjas-shutting-down-arizona/index.html
Womp womp
Oooh, I am loving that word.
"Per day".
Gives me the shivers.
OT : https://www.rawstory.com/sidney-poitier-pioneering-black-movie-star-dies-at-94/
I already hate 2022 ..
- My culture is dying around me: Poitier, White, etc.
- super storm trashed my County: Nevada, CA .. 6k still without power .. 200k for all CA .. I got lucky and PG&E workers are doing a _great_ job and the skiers are happy
- my phone service trunk line is down .. no landline or dsl
--- lemonade moment: switched to verizon hot-spot; i'net now 3+x faster !!
- Musk-Rat bumped me from Dec '21 to Dec '22 for Starlink install
OTOH: all-in-all, I feel fortunate and all above are 1st world and old-age problems AND maybe it will just be January ......
just sayin'
Yesterday, it was Bogdanovich and today it's Poitier.
Who'll be the third?
Betty White was the first.
That's true, but there was a bit of spacing between her and Bogdanovich. Usually these things are back-to-back-to-back, one day to the next to the next.
That’s what 2016 felt like, that all of the beloved stars dropped off day after day. I hope 2022 isn’t like that.
In the case of Carrie Fisher and Debbie Reynolds, it truly was one day after the other. It was the crap icing on the crap cake of a crap year.
Over 150,000 people per day die world wide. A few happen to be famous.
https://www.medindia.net/patients/calculators/world-death-clock.asp
.. recently more republicans, xians and other covidiots
Unable to work up any sympathies for those groups.
1, 2, 3, NOT IT!
If faith healing really worked, why would it need a building at all?
By all means, believers. Stay away from hospitals and modern medicine. Let Jeeeeeezus cure all your ills. You do have faith the size of a mustard seed, don't you?
The sin of bad hair will get you shunned in any fundie church.
But not the sin of bad fashion sense.
What about Katt Kerr pink?
Back away slowly.
Faith healing: same crushing debt load, without any of that pesky healthcare!
It is quicker to get out from under the debt with faith healing though. Death is the ultimate way to wipe the slate clean.
For you. Your family, on the other hand, has to cover all that extra debt, plus the cost of disposing of your corpse.
I learned this year that those I owe money to at the time of my death would only be able to file with my estate to be paid back and if there is nothing in the estate to cover it then they are out of luck. My family cannot be forced to pay it.
tell that to Vinny
.. just sayin'
Being older, I've told my wife to just put in me in a large Hefty garbage bag and set me out with the recycled material bin for the pickup. It's a lot cheaper. Instead, they should take the money saved and go off to Walt Disney World.
I want my remains spread at Disney World. Too bad I am not being cremated. =)
I’m donating myself to science. It’s free, it provides knowledge and is environmentally friendly.
All joking aside, I've told my wife to do that with my body including organ donation. After all, it's not like I'll care.
Now in mint flavour!
But does in have MFP?
OT, but COVID related: There is a story making the rounds that Aaron Rodgers might boycott the Super Bowl to protest NFL COVID policies.
For starters the Green Bay Packers need to make it to the SB first.
Second, Fuck Aaron Rodgers and fuck the NFL if they cave.
And while I'm at it, fuck Novak Djokovic.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/boomer-esiason-trusted-source-says-aaron-rodgers-could-boycott-super-bowl/ar-AASxTXB?ocid=msedgntp
I've met Aaron Rodgers. We grew up less than an hour apart. I had more respect for him than he apparently deserved. What an idiot.
And Djokovic? I guess he won't be defending his title! HA!
Whatever happened to "Practising medicine without a license"?
This is the USA. Religion gets an exemption. /s
Is it snark if it's true?
So this man is saying that if you are shot or stabbed or have some other injury where you are losing blood then you should stop and pray and gawd will heal you if you believe? I want to see him try it first. Surely he is willing to demonstrate his good faith to convince others, right?
... soon to be raising the dead
Not if you brought the wrong dice.
Put a faith healer to the test. Tell them to walk through a children's ward and do their magic. Be sure to tell them you'll be documenting everything with both video and sound equipment.
I can guarandamntee you won't get a single taker among these frauds.
I'd be surprised if they were caught being anywhere near a hospital, unless they were well disguised.
https://portalknights.fandom.com/wiki/Groucho_Mask
Not sure. They will claim that the video is not genuine.
Oh, they'd have a number of excuses. You stipulate ahead of time that they will not be allowed to dispute the sound/visual evidence (or lack thereof when that faith healing inevitably fails to yield results) and they and their fakery will not be let off the hook.
Oh, and if they try to pull that "the video isn't genuine," you simply fire back:
"Looks like it's your faith healing that isn't genuine." All on camera and mic'd up.
Maybe faith healing could make hospitals obsolete if it actually WORKED, right?
That is the premise behind the Church of Christ Scientist.
I would actually find it funny if god put all of the catholic run hospitals out of business.
I like how even in 1916 they put the "healing" part of "healing" hospital in scare quotes.
My faith in modern medicine healed the wound on my back (it was finally over earlier this week).
Good deal!
you were backstabbed?