Thanks for the clarification. It's important for us to be accurate when quoting someone. In this case, that specific quote may not be hers, but it certainly reflects her view.
If Amerca were to lose all its atheists, about 90% of the National Academy of Science would be eliminated, and our prison population would be reduced by about 2%.
isn't it the aim of the current government to kill off any hint that the research being done isn't fully in support of their reich wing view of science as it now exists.
Unfortunately, so is the rehab industry. The 12 Step Program is faith based, which is why it's not my ideal rehab (even though I got sober in a 12 step rehab, I thought the 12 steps were off-putting).
A close family member of mine went to prison for drug use and told me the only way they would be let out of their cell was to attend “church”. Most will take that opportunity desperate for change of scenery. That’s how they prey on people.
Perhaps, mistaken belief in the flying spaghetti monster clouds the mind when weighing the moral options in deciding whether or not to steal, kill, rape, etc...
I believe you but it wouldn't surprise me that a number of imprisoned atheists say that they are believers both to get on the good side of prison administrators to get better treatment and parole and also to avoid getting grief from other prisoners.
He fails to take into account how adept the rest of us have become at feigning Christianity when necessary. I think it goes back to the days the looneytunes would actually burn you alive for failing to “believe” in an approved manner.
But at the majority-Black church I often attend (for community, and because the concept of Jesus/Sermon on the Mount engages me), at least they try, while seemingly having no intention to harm others.
I have long thought it an indictment of faith that believers in one brand of it would endure being burned to death rather than pretend belief in another.
He also sounds about as rigid as an ingot of adamantium! Which, as far as I'm concerned, would totally disqualify him from ANY government post, never mind governor!
If this fool was either fit or qualified to serve as governor, he would know full-well no governor has the power to do what he says he’s going to. Government cannot choose one religion over another, and cannot use the power of the state to force religion on anyone. He’s also foolish enough to think what he wants to do would actually work.
It never occurs to god-pushers like Che Ahn that the majority of drug users [including alcoholics] and drug pushers are probably christians given that the majority of the population identifies as christian. So are most of the criminals currently incarcerated. IOW, christianity doesn't make people better than they'd otherwise be - regardless of what fairy tales the zealots tell themselves.
A person being a Christian doesn’t automatically mean that person is ethical, honest, compassionate, empathetic, respectful, or even a decent human being!
Yet, people still think that a person being religious automatically mean that person must be good, and not being religious means that person must be bad/evil. The connection between religion and good must be severed, for one doesn’t mean the other!
Precisely my point, John. IMO, good people are going to be good people regardless of their beliefs. But no amount of religion in the world is going to make a POS anything other than a POS. Again IMO, you're more likely to be good without god.
I agree with you wholeheartedly, and that point of ours must be repeated over and over till people attitudes change about what constitutes a “good” person changes!
I have extended family who are religious and go to church regularly, yet they are the most arrogant, self righteous, judgemental, cruel (and whiny, although they don’t see it) people that I unfortunately know! If these extended family members were living in the U.S., I am sure as hell know they would be Christian fascists and Trump supporters!
So, he's at least aware of the First Amendment. He doesn't like it, even though it's the thing that has allowed religion to thrive in the US for centuries.
Either these theocrats never examine the history of theocratic regimes to see how bad they are or they know the history and are desperate to repeat it.
I don’t think drugs is the sole cause of homelessness in California, and if that’s his reasoning, he really needs to get out more! (And that’s just me reading the news I get here in UK, even I’m aware housing costs are sky high there!)
The control of the supply of housing by capital is the main cause of homelessness. Housing has been almost entirely financialised so that houses are not people's homes but merely tradeable assets.
That is probably why he is running for California governor, due to his ethnicity would be a hindrance anywhere in the Bible Belt.
In fact, he better be careful otherwise ICE might pay him a visit, if that did happen I wouldn’t have any sympathy for him. Support a party that hate anyone who is different, don’t be surprised when that party turns against you because you are different from the WHITE, EUROPEAN DESCENDANTS, Christian fascists!
Che Ahn could stand to learn the following:
"There is no freedom of choice unless there is freedom to refuse."
-- Ursula K. Le Guin
And Che has about as much chance of gaining the governorship as I do. Then again, I ain't running!
Bonus points for the Le Guin reference.
Thanks, though I had a conversation with Gemini about that quote, and it turns out, she didn't say it! Here's part of what I got from Gemini:
𝑊ℎ𝑖𝑙𝑒 𝐿𝑒 𝐺𝑢𝑖𝑛 𝑑𝑖𝑑𝑛'𝑡 𝑤𝑟𝑖𝑡𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑒𝑥𝑎𝑐𝑡 𝑠𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑒𝑛𝑐𝑒, 𝑠ℎ𝑒 𝑑𝑖𝑑 𝑤𝑟𝑖𝑡𝑒 𝑎𝑛 𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑖𝑟𝑒 𝑚𝑎𝑠𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑝𝑖𝑒𝑐𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑠𝑐𝑖-𝑓𝑖 𝑙𝑖𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑎𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑒 𝑒𝑥𝑝𝑙𝑜𝑟𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑒𝑥𝑎𝑐𝑡 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑐𝑒𝑝𝑡.
𝐼𝑛 ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑓𝑎𝑚𝑜𝑢𝑠 1974 𝑎𝑛𝑎𝑟𝑐ℎ𝑖𝑠𝑡 𝑢𝑡𝑜𝑝𝑖𝑎𝑛 𝑛𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑙, 𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝐷𝑖𝑠𝑝𝑜𝑠𝑠𝑒𝑠𝑠𝑒𝑑, 𝑠ℎ𝑒 𝑑𝑖𝑣𝑒𝑠 𝑑𝑒𝑒𝑝 𝑖𝑛𝑡𝑜 𝑤ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑡𝑟𝑢𝑒 𝑐ℎ𝑜𝑖𝑐𝑒 𝑙𝑜𝑜𝑘𝑠 𝑙𝑖𝑘𝑒. 𝑆ℎ𝑒 𝑓𝑎𝑚𝑜𝑢𝑠𝑙𝑦 𝑑𝑒𝑡𝑎𝑖𝑙𝑠 𝑎 𝑠𝑜𝑐𝑖𝑒𝑡𝑦 𝑤ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑛𝑜 𝑙𝑎𝑤𝑠, 𝑏𝑢𝑡 𝑖𝑚𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑠𝑒 𝑠𝑜𝑐𝑖𝑎𝑙 𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑠𝑢𝑟𝑒 𝑡𝑜 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑚. 𝐴 𝑚𝑎𝑗𝑜𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑚𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑏𝑜𝑜𝑘 𝑖𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑖𝑓 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑠𝑜𝑐𝑖𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑦 𝑐𝑜𝑒𝑟𝑐𝑒𝑑 𝑖𝑛𝑡𝑜 𝑑𝑜𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑠𝑜𝑚𝑒𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔, 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑑𝑜𝑛'𝑡 𝑎𝑐𝑡𝑢𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑦 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑓𝑟𝑒𝑒𝑑𝑜𝑚. 𝐼𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑎𝑐𝑎𝑑𝑒𝑚𝑖𝑐 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑙𝑖𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑎𝑟𝑦 𝑤𝑜𝑟𝑙𝑑𝑠, 𝑐𝑟𝑖𝑡𝑖𝑐𝑠 𝑓𝑟𝑒𝑞𝑢𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑙𝑦 𝑠𝑢𝑚𝑚𝑎𝑟𝑖𝑧𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑐𝑜𝑟𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑚𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝐷𝑖𝑠𝑝𝑜𝑠𝑠𝑒𝑠𝑠𝑒𝑑 𝑏𝑦 𝑠𝑎𝑦𝑖𝑛𝑔: "𝐹𝑜𝑟 𝐿𝑒 𝐺𝑢𝑖𝑛, 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑖𝑠 𝑛𝑜 𝑡𝑟𝑢𝑒 𝑓𝑟𝑒𝑒𝑑𝑜𝑚 𝑜𝑓 𝑐ℎ𝑜𝑖𝑐𝑒 𝑢𝑛𝑙𝑒𝑠𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑖𝑠 𝑎 𝑓𝑟𝑒𝑒𝑑𝑜𝑚 𝑡𝑜 𝑟𝑒𝑓𝑢𝑠𝑒."
Thanks for the clarification. It's important for us to be accurate when quoting someone. In this case, that specific quote may not be hers, but it certainly reflects her view.
Entirely my pleasure! 😁
The US prison population is already dominated by Christians. By contrast, imprisoned atheists barely register as a blip.
Hmm...
If you adjust for the atheists lying about belief in god to get better treatment, you might get it up to 1.5 blips.
If Amerca were to lose all its atheists, about 90% of the National Academy of Science would be eliminated, and our prison population would be reduced by about 2%.
I know a recent inductee to the National academy -- and he is an atheist. He told me so years ago, without provocation.
isn't it the aim of the current government to kill off any hint that the research being done isn't fully in support of their reich wing view of science as it now exists.
Unfortunately, so is the rehab industry. The 12 Step Program is faith based, which is why it's not my ideal rehab (even though I got sober in a 12 step rehab, I thought the 12 steps were off-putting).
The Satanic Temple has a non-faith-based 12 step program that has been approved in a lot of legal jurisdictions so atheists don’t have to pretend.
A close family member of mine went to prison for drug use and told me the only way they would be let out of their cell was to attend “church”. Most will take that opportunity desperate for change of scenery. That’s how they prey on people.
Perhaps, mistaken belief in the flying spaghetti monster clouds the mind when weighing the moral options in deciding whether or not to steal, kill, rape, etc...
I believe you but it wouldn't surprise me that a number of imprisoned atheists say that they are believers both to get on the good side of prison administrators to get better treatment and parole and also to avoid getting grief from other prisoners.
He fails to take into account how adept the rest of us have become at feigning Christianity when necessary. I think it goes back to the days the looneytunes would actually burn you alive for failing to “believe” in an approved manner.
Living in the rural deep south, I can confirm that those BEST at faking Christianity are most white evangelicals.
Of course, they've been doing it for about 60 years so far.....
"Southern strategy'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
The behind-the-scenes, Lee Atwater types are still as dangerous (and smart) as they ever were.
You know what they say:
Jews don’t recognize Jesus as the Messiah.
Protestants don’t recognize the Pope as the head of the Church.
Southern Baptists don’t recognize each other at the liquor stores and strip clubs.
The opposite of a fake Christian would be a true Christian. Should I get my bagpipes out?
In my life I've known one. (I'm not quite 70.)
But at the majority-Black church I often attend (for community, and because the concept of Jesus/Sermon on the Mount engages me), at least they try, while seemingly having no intention to harm others.
I have long thought it an indictment of faith that believers in one brand of it would endure being burned to death rather than pretend belief in another.
He also sounds about as rigid as an ingot of adamantium! Which, as far as I'm concerned, would totally disqualify him from ANY government post, never mind governor!
𝐻𝑒 𝑜𝑛𝑙𝑦 𝑘𝑛𝑜𝑤𝑠 𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑎𝑛𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝑎𝑛𝑑 ℎ𝑒 𝑑𝑜𝑒𝑠𝑛’𝑡 𝑐𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑎𝑏𝑜𝑢𝑡 𝑒𝑣𝑖𝑑𝑒𝑛𝑐𝑒, 𝑠𝑜 𝑛𝑎𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑦, ℎ𝑒 𝑏𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑠 ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑔𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑖𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑜𝑛𝑙𝑦 𝑜𝑝𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑦𝑏𝑜𝑑𝑦.
Indoctrination is one hell of a drug.
If he thinks that it should be Christian only rehab or Christian prison to treat addiction, what is he going to do for Christianity addiction?
He's just one more indoctrinated fool who deserves our disdain and very little else.
When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
You mean he’s a tool…yes, you’re right 🤣
If this fool was either fit or qualified to serve as governor, he would know full-well no governor has the power to do what he says he’s going to. Government cannot choose one religion over another, and cannot use the power of the state to force religion on anyone. He’s also foolish enough to think what he wants to do would actually work.
It never occurs to god-pushers like Che Ahn that the majority of drug users [including alcoholics] and drug pushers are probably christians given that the majority of the population identifies as christian. So are most of the criminals currently incarcerated. IOW, christianity doesn't make people better than they'd otherwise be - regardless of what fairy tales the zealots tell themselves.
A person being a Christian doesn’t automatically mean that person is ethical, honest, compassionate, empathetic, respectful, or even a decent human being!
Yet, people still think that a person being religious automatically mean that person must be good, and not being religious means that person must be bad/evil. The connection between religion and good must be severed, for one doesn’t mean the other!
Precisely my point, John. IMO, good people are going to be good people regardless of their beliefs. But no amount of religion in the world is going to make a POS anything other than a POS. Again IMO, you're more likely to be good without god.
I agree with you wholeheartedly, and that point of ours must be repeated over and over till people attitudes change about what constitutes a “good” person changes!
I have extended family who are religious and go to church regularly, yet they are the most arrogant, self righteous, judgemental, cruel (and whiny, although they don’t see it) people that I unfortunately know! If these extended family members were living in the U.S., I am sure as hell know they would be Christian fascists and Trump supporters!
Do not push your ungodly religion on me. You will never be gov. of California.
But-but-but ... It's VERY godly. And that's the problem! 😝
"[𝐴]𝑙𝑙 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑛𝑜𝑛-𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑓𝑖𝑡 𝑜𝑟𝑔𝑎𝑛𝑖𝑧𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑎𝑟𝑒 ℎ𝑒𝑙𝑝𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡ℎ𝑒 ℎ𝑜𝑚𝑒𝑙𝑒𝑠𝑠, 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑐𝑎𝑛’𝑡 𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑐ℎ 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐺𝑜𝑠𝑝𝑒𝑙 𝑏𝑒𝑐𝑎𝑢𝑠𝑒 𝑖𝑡’𝑠 𝑠𝑒𝑝𝑎𝑟𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑜𝑓 𝑐ℎ𝑢𝑟𝑐ℎ… 𝐼𝑡 𝑖𝑠 𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑟𝑖𝑏𝑙𝑒!"
So, he's at least aware of the First Amendment. He doesn't like it, even though it's the thing that has allowed religion to thrive in the US for centuries.
Either these theocrats never examine the history of theocratic regimes to see how bad they are or they know the history and are desperate to repeat it.
Why does being godly almost always involve power over other people, money from other people, and an inability to show any actual real world results?
A god that has so much trouble showing that it exists is no different than a god that doesn’t exist.
And they’re almost always assholes even if they don’t exist.
I don’t think drugs is the sole cause of homelessness in California, and if that’s his reasoning, he really needs to get out more! (And that’s just me reading the news I get here in UK, even I’m aware housing costs are sky high there!)
The control of the supply of housing by capital is the main cause of homelessness. Housing has been almost entirely financialised so that houses are not people's homes but merely tradeable assets.
Exactly, but not remotely what this clown is trying to sell.
Fundamentalist xtian Che Ahn chooses to run for governor in one of the least-religious states in the country.
Not very aware for someone seeking office.
His name and melatonin would be hindrances in the most Christian states. They might assume he is Muslim.
That is probably why he is running for California governor, due to his ethnicity would be a hindrance anywhere in the Bible Belt.
In fact, he better be careful otherwise ICE might pay him a visit, if that did happen I wouldn’t have any sympathy for him. Support a party that hate anyone who is different, don’t be surprised when that party turns against you because you are different from the WHITE, EUROPEAN DESCENDANTS, Christian fascists!
Not very aware for someone seeking God, either.
https://ibb.co/1kdTmM7
Isn't saying that "drug addicts need Jesus" sort of a self-own?
We addicts get this scam, so I'd guess he does too.
"Before, I was all messed up on drugs, but since I found the Lord, now I'm all messed up on the Lord." - C&C
Jesus was homeless (supposedly) and kinda looks like the Zig Zag Man.
No theocracy has ever been a bastion of Human Rights and Civil Liberties!
Funny, here I was thinking when there’s a social safety net and people’s most basic needs are met (food, shelter etc), crime goes down.
It’s anything to make it feel like a personal failure instead of the systemic issue it is. How convenient.